2012-2013 Player of the Year

Player of the Year should probably finish the year as a member of the team.... You wanna say Most valuable, that's one thing. 

 Jakarr is POY with Dom a close second.

Last year DLO was my favorite player. In the last several BE games he played he did not look that good, I thaught something was wrong w him.IE mental or physical, he did not look the same.
Agreed. Sad part is he was still the MVP

  The graph of the poll looks like a giant " finger"..  Seems appropriate for some reason.

Wow surprising Obekpa got so few votes. I voted for him because Obekpa was everything we expected and more. Sampson was obviously very good but he kind of faded a little down the stretch with a lot of bricks. Obekpa was brought here to block and rebound. He blocked better than we could have imagined and has gotten pretty good rebounding.

  The graph of the poll looks like a giant " finger"..  Seems appropriate for some reason.

  The graph of the poll looks like a giant " finger"..  Seems appropriate for some reason.

I would say Sampson. He's a freshman who improved as the season progressed, during BE play is when we needed it the most. D'lo wasn't playing his best ball prior to the suspension, when we needed him to play his best, he regressed. It's easy to say look at our PPG and amount of wins when we didn't have D'lo. However, how do we know what our PPG and wins would be if the roles were reversed (not having Sampson and having D'lo)? Since we don't, I don't think PPG and wins/lose record is an accurate measuring stick of how important each player was to the team.

Quote from: STJFAN on March 27, 2013, 02:19:57 PM

I would say Sampson. He's a freshman who improved as the season progressed, during BE play is when we needed it the most. D'lo wasn't playing his best ball prior to the suspension, when we needed him to play his best, he regressed. It's easy to say look at our PPG and amount of wins when we didn't have D'lo. However, how do we know what our PPG and wins would be if the roles were reversed (not having Sampson and having D'lo)? Since we don't, I don't think PPG and wins/lose record is an accurate measuring stick of how important each player was to the team.

Than what is an accurate measure.

And to answer your question I'm sure the PPG would have seen a similar drop and W/L record likely the same.  Your talking about the two guys you could count on every night for 15 ppg.  If either of them missed time we would have been screwed.

Quote from: Moose on March 27, 2013, 02:27:43 PM

Quote from: STJFAN on March 27, 2013, 02:19:57 PM

I would say Sampson. He's a freshman who improved as the season progressed, during BE play is when we needed it the most. D'lo wasn't playing his best ball prior to the suspension, when we needed him to play his best, he regressed. It's easy to say look at our PPG and amount of wins when we didn't have D'lo. However, how do we know what our PPG and wins would be if the roles were reversed (not having Sampson and having D'lo)? Since we don't, I don't think PPG and wins/lose record is an accurate measuring stick of how important each player was to the team.

Than what is an accurate measure.

And to answer your question I'm sure the PPG would have seen a similar drop and W/L record likely the same.  Your talking about the two guys you could count on every night for 15 ppg.  If either of them missed time we would have been screwed.

I agree there may have been a similar drop. What I look at is the individual performance during BE play when we needed them to play at there best. The six games prior to D'lo's suspension, he was averaging 11.3 pts per game shooting 28%. Sampson was averaging 16.5. Sampson improved his play during BE play, D'lo regressed. Throw in the fact the Sampson is a freshman and D'lo got suspended seals the deal in my book. Its not how you start, its how you finish. 

Quote from: STJFAN on March 27, 2013, 04:05:42 PM

Quote from: Moose on March 27, 2013, 02:27:43 PM

Quote from: STJFAN on March 27, 2013, 02:19:57 PM

I would say Sampson. He's a freshman who improved as the season progressed, during BE play is when we needed it the most. D'lo wasn't playing his best ball prior to the suspension, when we needed him to play his best, he regressed. It's easy to say look at our PPG and amount of wins when we didn't have D'lo. However, how do we know what our PPG and wins would be if the roles were reversed (not having Sampson and having D'lo)? Since we don't, I don't think PPG and wins/lose record is an accurate measuring stick of how important each player was to the team.

Than what is an accurate measure.

And to answer your question I'm sure the PPG would have seen a similar drop and W/L record likely the same.  Your talking about the two guys you could count on every night for 15 ppg.  If either of them missed time we would have been screwed.

I agree there may have been a similar drop. What I look at is the individual performance during BE play when we needed them to play at there best. The six games prior to D'lo's suspension, he was averaging 11.3 pts per game shooting 28%. Sampson was averaging 16.5. Sampson improved his play during BE play, D'lo regressed. Throw in the fact the Sampson is a freshman and D'lo got suspended seals the deal in my book. Its not how you start, its how you finish. 

Teams focusing on Dee and opening the door for Karr to excel?

Quote from: Moose on March 27, 2013, 04:19:55 PM

Quote from: STJFAN on March 27, 2013, 04:05:42 PM

Quote from: Moose on March 27, 2013, 02:27:43 PM

Quote from: STJFAN on March 27, 2013, 02:19:57 PM

I would say Sampson. He's a freshman who improved as the season progressed, during BE play is when we needed it the most. D'lo wasn't playing his best ball prior to the suspension, when we needed him to play his best, he regressed. It's easy to say look at our PPG and amount of wins when we didn't have D'lo. However, how do we know what our PPG and wins would be if the roles were reversed (not having Sampson and having D'lo)? Since we don't, I don't think PPG and wins/lose record is an accurate measuring stick of how important each player was to the team.

Than what is an accurate measure.

And to answer your question I'm sure the PPG would have seen a similar drop and W/L record likely the same.  Your talking about the two guys you could count on every night for 15 ppg.  If either of them missed time we would have been screwed.

I agree there may have been a similar drop. What I look at is the individual performance during BE play when we needed them to play at there best. The six games prior to D'lo's suspension, he was averaging 11.3 pts per game shooting 28%. Sampson was averaging 16.5. Sampson improved his play during BE play, D'lo regressed. Throw in the fact the Sampson is a freshman and D'lo got suspended seals the deal in my book. Its not how you start, its how you finish. 

Teams focusing on Dee and opening the door for Karr to excel?

Perhaps. However I would say based on that same logic, without D'lo in the line up, teams now focused on Sampson. He went on to average 15.6 pts during those last 6 games. When teams focus on shutting down D'lo, he struggled. When teams focused on Sampson, he still put up his numbers. That's the difference between the two and why one will play in the league and the other will not. D'lo is a great college player, and if he stays around, will be one of our all time greats.