Amir is leaving st. john's

Quote from: STJFAN on April 05, 2013, 11:54:32 AM

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Quote from: Moose on April 05, 2013, 08:54:07 AM

Oh God here we go

What? Was it something I said?

Amir transferring thread turning into whether prostitution should be legal

Getting back to Amir, I think it's clear that his lack of jumper put him him on the bench. That says to me the guy who gets his minutes will need to have a consistent one. It might work out that Sampson plays the 3 and Sanchez plays the 4. Dom is the 6th man, and that leaves very little time for Amir.

I get it, but I don't like losing the continuity that I see other programs thriving from. Seniors make a difference. We saw that 2 years ago. It's big part of success. We're not going to be as experienced as we expected to be next year.

We need a bench. Teams like Louisville go 10 deep

Actually Louisville routinely play 8, Syracuse as well. Duke has a 7 man rotation and they have Amil Jefferson on the bench. He would have been our top recruit last year. Depth is important for practice, development, injuries, foul trouble and the like. Going 10 deep in the game is over rated, maybe bring in a kid for a couple spot minutes to spell a player but I want my top guys on the floor at all times. I would prefer to see us shorten our rotation and get some continuity.

While I agree with your premise Louisville actually went 9 deep.  Will go 8 this weekend without Ware.

Liked Amir personally, but i think this is addition by subtraction.
Christian and Felix have much more upside and I think they are a better team next yr if Amirs minutes go to these two guys along with Hooper.

I think Jones has the potential to be a star here by his junior season and hope he sticks around. Sanchez and Sampson are gone after next season so he has the potential to be a starter and major contributer as a junior. I personally think he may have NBA potential in the future. Felix will be a good player for us if he sticks around, although his inability to hit the long range shot makes him more vulnerable to being overrecruited in the near future.

Quote from: yankcranker on April 05, 2013, 02:13:51 PM

Quote from: STJFAN on April 05, 2013, 11:54:32 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 05, 2013, 09:41:06 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 05, 2013, 09:36:30 AM

Quote from: Moose on April 05, 2013, 09:01:43 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 05, 2013, 09:00:29 AM

Quote from: Moose on April 05, 2013, 08:54:07 AM

Oh God here we go

What? Was it something I said?

Amir transferring thread turning into whether prostitution should be legal

Getting back to Amir, I think it's clear that his lack of jumper put him him on the bench. That says to me the guy who gets his minutes will need to have a consistent one. It might work out that Sampson plays the 3 and Sanchez plays the 4. Dom is the 6th man, and that leaves very little time for Amir.

I get it, but I don't like losing the continuity that I see other programs thriving from. Seniors make a difference. We saw that 2 years ago. It's big part of success. We're not going to be as experienced as we expected to be next year.

We need a bench. Teams like Louisville go 10 deep

Actually Louisville routinely play 8, Syracuse as well. Duke has a 7 man rotation and they have Amil Jefferson on the bench. He would have been our top recruit last year. Depth is important for practice, development, injuries, foul trouble and the like. Going 10 deep in the game is over rated, maybe bring in a kid for a couple spot minutes to spell a player but I want my top guys on the floor at all times. I would prefer to see us shorten our rotation and get some continuity.

While I agree with your premise Louisville actually went 9 deep.  Will go 8 this weekend without Ware.

Louisville will play 9 to 10 guys, however, the 9th and 10th guy only play a few minutes. I meant to say their primary rotation is 8 guys.

Quote from: STJFAN on April 05, 2013, 02:58:00 PM

Quote from: yankcranker on April 05, 2013, 02:13:51 PM

Quote from: STJFAN on April 05, 2013, 11:54:32 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 05, 2013, 09:41:06 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 05, 2013, 09:36:30 AM

Quote from: Moose on April 05, 2013, 09:01:43 AM

Quote from: Poison on April 05, 2013, 09:00:29 AM

Quote from: Moose on April 05, 2013, 08:54:07 AM

Oh God here we go

What? Was it something I said?

Amir transferring thread turning into whether prostitution should be legal

Getting back to Amir, I think it's clear that his lack of jumper put him him on the bench. That says to me the guy who gets his minutes will need to have a consistent one. It might work out that Sampson plays the 3 and Sanchez plays the 4. Dom is the 6th man, and that leaves very little time for Amir.

I get it, but I don't like losing the continuity that I see other programs thriving from. Seniors make a difference. We saw that 2 years ago. It's big part of success. We're not going to be as experienced as we expected to be next year.

We need a bench. Teams like Louisville go 10 deep

Actually Louisville routinely play 8, Syracuse as well. Duke has a 7 man rotation and they have Amil Jefferson on the bench. He would have been our top recruit last year. Depth is important for practice, development, injuries, foul trouble and the like. Going 10 deep in the game is over rated, maybe bring in a kid for a couple spot minutes to spell a player but I want my top guys on the floor at all times. I would prefer to see us shorten our rotation and get some continuity.

While I agree with your premise Louisville actually went 9 deep.  Will go 8 this weekend without Ware.

Louisville will play 9 to 10 guys, however, the 9th and 10th guy only play a few minutes. I meant to say their primary rotation is 8 guys.

 

Their 7, 8 and 9 guys were Hazell, Ware and Van Tresse.  I suppose it's fair to say Van Tresse was not part of the primary rotation but he did average over 10 minutes per game.

Excellent question.  He did play over 20 mins the first four games Dieng was out then it was pared down.  But it would appear that Pitino has a hot and cold with him probably based on matchup.  He's played over 15 in 3 of the 4 tourney games and played 15 in the first two games of the BET but only played 2 in the BET final.  Go figure.  Like I said, yeah probably not core rotation but significant role player on and off.

Jordan, Harrison, Branch, Jakar, Sanchez, Obekpa, Dom and Greene.  Max/Jones.  Felix/Marco.

To what Choz said, I'm not a fan of pushing any kid out, even though I know it happens all the time.  However, a coach should be honest with his players at all times.  If a kid is a sophomore or junior and is or has already gotten recruited over, I think a coach should share that with the player so they have the option of moving on.  If they choose to stay for a period, a la Stith in 2010-2011, so be it.

Quote from: prjohnnies on April 05, 2013, 08:02:06 PM

Jordan, Harrison, Branch, Jakar, Sanchez, Obekpa, Dom and Greene.  Max/Jones.  Felix/Marco.

To what Choz said, I'm not a fan of pushing any kid out, even though I know it happens all the time.  However, a coach should be honest with his players at all times.  If a kid is a sophomore or junior and is or has already gotten recruited over, I think a coach should share that with the player so they have the option of moving on.  If they choose to stay for a period, a la Stith in 2010-2011, so be it.

I don't think Garrett was recruiter over. Other guys player better than him. He plays baseball over the summer, and while we all understand why, he can't work on his jumper in the minor leagues.

Quote from: prjohnnies on April 05, 2013, 08:02:06 PM

Jordan, Harrison, Branch, Jakar, Sanchez, Obekpa, Dom and Greene.  Max/Jones.  Felix/Marco.

To what Choz said, I'm not a fan of pushing any kid out, even though I know it happens all the time.  However, a coach should be honest with his players at all times.  If a kid is a sophomore or junior and is or has already gotten recruited over, I think a coach should share that with the player so they have the option of moving on.  If they choose to stay for a period, a la Stith in 2010-2011, so be it.

I don't think Garrett was recruiter over. Other guys player better than him. He plays baseball over the summer, and while we all understand why, he can't work on his jumper in the minor leagues.

Quote from: Poison on April 05, 2013, 08:13:28 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on April 05, 2013, 08:02:06 PM

Jordan, Harrison, Branch, Jakar, Sanchez, Obekpa, Dom and Greene.  Max/Jones.  Felix/Marco.

To what Choz said, I'm not a fan of pushing any kid out, even though I know it happens all the time.  However, a coach should be honest with his players at all times.  If a kid is a sophomore or junior and is or has already gotten recruited over, I think a coach should share that with the player so they have the option of moving on.  If they choose to stay for a period, a la Stith in 2010-2011, so be it.

I don't think Garrett was recruiter over. Other guys player better than him. He plays baseball over the summer, and while we all understand why, he can't work on his jumper in the minor leagues.

Agree..Actually thought Amir had a decent look to his stroke but he obviously was not able to work on it sufficiently nor develop a right hand...The fact that the team was going to play overseas during the summer was going to set him further behind. I am sure he realized it...

Respectfully disagree about Jones' NBA potential. Let's see if he sticks around and becomes a decent contributor.

Quote from: paultzman on April 05, 2013, 02:54:57 PM

Respectfully disagree about Jones' NBA potential. Let's see if he sticks around and becomes a decent contributor.

I don't think he will be a star, but based on some flashes that I have seen, I could seem him getting a cup of coffee in the League. He has a big body, and runs the floor pretty well. Very raw back to the basket game, but if he can develop that, I like his chances.

Quote from: paultzman on April 05, 2013, 02:54:57 PM

Respectfully disagree about Jones' NBA potential. Let's see if he sticks around and becomes a decent contributor.

I don't think he will be a star, but based on some flashes that I have seen, I could seem him getting a cup of coffee in the League. He has a big body, and runs the floor pretty well. Very raw back to the basket game, but if he can develop that, I like his chances.

Quote from: survivedc on April 05, 2013, 08:43:14 PM

Quote from: paultzman on April 05, 2013, 02:54:57 PM

Respectfully disagree about Jones' NBA potential. Let's see if he sticks around and becomes a decent contributor.

I don't think he will be a star, but based on some flashes that I have seen, I could seem him getting a cup of coffee in the League. He has a big body, and runs the floor pretty well. Very raw back to the basket game, but if he can develop that, I like his chances.

Evans, JB, and Jb2 couldn't make it. Really think jones will make it?