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Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear

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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2013, 01:33:54 PM »
Quote from: simplyred on May 23, 2013, 10:50:53 AM
All that high-flying, out of control dunking by that Julius kid would never translate to Looie's system.  Smart move not recruiting him.

LOL, I remember one early season game in the Porter/Harvey year and we were trouncing one of our early season patsies at AH with many fast breaks and the crowd was going nuts.  Looie yelled out to Boo to slow it down, and Boo replied that he WAS slowing it down.
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2013, 04:48:51 PM »
Quote from: Foad on May 23, 2013, 09:42:08 AM
Quote from: newsman13 on May 22, 2013, 06:30:50 PM
it must have been an UNUSUALLY COLD october.
since you have the time, can you tell us the temperatures on those days...along with the day akeem was in nyc?
thanks in advance.

Turns out it was.

Record lows in NYC 1980: October 13, 14, 26, 30 and 31.

http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?month=10

We forget now because of all the nonsense about global warming but back then the big fear was the coming of a new Ice Age.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/05/21/the-1970s-ice-age-scare/
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2013, 05:09:49 PM »
Quote from: newsman13 on May 23, 2013, 04:48:51 PM
since you have the time, can you tell us the temperatures on those days...along with the day akeem was in nyc?thanks in advance.

I do have the time to keep myself well informed. Life of the gentleman farmer don're you know. Shame you don't, you could look up how to work the quote function. It's hard I know. There's like buttons and shit, it's pretty confusing.

I looked briefly for the dates HO was in NY and couldn't find them. I considered searching Lexis but that seemed a bit extreme, just like the weather apparently was in NY, in October 1980.


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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2013, 08:10:03 PM »
in other words, no answer...just spammin' again.

i guess i'm the only one who thinks it's creepy.
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2013, 08:34:06 PM »
Quote from: Choz4Life on May 22, 2013, 08:54:18 AM
Since the board has nuthin to talk about 'cept its obsession wit Hooper and Phil, I offer y'all the following:

Goin back thru the histry, they was some key moments and decisions that coulda change STJ's fortune in ways most dramatic.

Hindsight is hindsight, but aint none of these is far fetch.

So what if.....

1965: Joe Lapchick wasn't forced to retire and could recruit Lew Alcindor?
"If Joe Lapchick was still the coach when I left high school, it would have been a much tougher decision for me," - Kareem
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/kareem-abdul-jabbar-star-ucla-los-angeles-lakers-considered-st-john-article-1.441973


1970: Al McGuire was hired to replace Lou C when he left for the Nets?


1980: Akeem Olajuwon's recruiting trip was scheduled in the summer?
In the fall of 1980, a 17-year-old Olajuwon arrived in America for the first time to visit St. John’s University. He found New York unbearably cold, and he left for Houston after only a few hours.
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/77626/dream-land

1986: Walter Berry came back for his senior year.
Two weeks ago, Berry said that he intended to return to St. John's for his senior season because he wasn't assured of being the first overall draft pick. Had Berry stayed at St. John's, he most likely would have been the top draft pick in 1987.
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-05-06/sports/sp-4208_1_walter-berry

1987: Lou C did not shun STJ-fan Gary Payton.
St. John's coach, Lou Carnesecca, reneged on a scholarship offer at the 11th hour. "When I make a mistake, it's a real whopper," says Carnesecca now.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1137078/2/index.htm

1992: Rick Majerus was hired to replace Lou C.
very intersting set of woulda,coulda and shouldas...i recall that Majerus said if he took SJ job he'd win a championship...
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Foad

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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2013, 09:13:59 PM »
Quote from: newsman13 on May 23, 2013, 08:10:03 PM
in other words, no answer...just spammin' again.

i guess i'm the only one who thinks it's creepy.

You're the only one who even knows what you're talking about. Spammin'? Who are you Stephen Foster? Ole Man Riva', he aints got nuttin' ...

I posted some facts about the weather than contradicted your conjecture. Oh well. Dems be da breaks.
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2013, 09:23:37 PM »
Quote from: Choz4Life on May 22, 2013, 08:54:18 AM
Since the board has nuthin to talk about 'cept its obsession wit Hooper and Phil, I offer y'all the following:

Goin back thru the histry, they was some key moments and decisions that coulda change STJ's fortune in ways most dramatic.



Changing the name of the team #1

 And Getting rid of that guy who ran around in circles with the flag until he was ready to collapse has to be right up there with bad moves by the school
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2013, 02:13:47 AM »
Quote from: newsman13 on May 23, 2013, 08:10:03 PM
in other words, no answer...just spammin' again.

i guess i'm the only one who thinks it's creepy.

You are the only one.
Why are you being a d*ck? He gave some pretty useful information to an odd situation. I understand you don't like him, but do you really have to search for reasons to attack him? grow up.
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2013, 08:39:54 AM »
Teacher say the followin:

1. Lap may have not have automatic landed Alcindor, but we woulda had a chance. And of course Alcindor woulda change the face of STJ and college ball.

2. Cant see why STJ and Al McGuire wouldnt worked out.
For STJ: a great coach, an alum, devout Cadolic, a son of the Rockaways, a colorful but never blasphemous personality, someone who could woo the press and alums even more than Lou.
For Al: return to his home city, closer to his recruitin base, returnin to alma mater, at the time a mo prestigious job.

3. Akeem and Mullin.
Only question to ask is not if they win a NC, but how many....

4. Havin Walter come back woulda been like 86 all over again. Jax, Glass and Truth all seniors, Shelly a JR. Problem is the same tho. Lack of depth. Starters woulda played vast majority of minutes and likely wear down come tourney time.

5. Imagine a backcourt of Jax as a senior and Glove as a frosh. Or a backcourt of Boo and Glove. Or a team of Glove, Sealy and Jay. Mind is thus boggled.

6. Majerus woulda been the best bench coach, but coulda turn off the recruitin base wit his (colorful) personality.
So what about Bobby Cremins?
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newsman13

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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2013, 08:41:59 AM »
for survivedc. you can quit humping his leg now.  he didn't have the information.  for him, it was an opportunity to trash someone for merely missing part of a quote thus hitting the button in the wrong spot.

most of his "contributions" are opportunities to trash posters he cyber stalks.  again, to me, that's creepy.

this was a great thread started by choz that unfortunately degenerated into something else thanks to one poster.  typical.
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2013, 09:43:13 AM »
Quote from: newsman13 on May 24, 2013, 08:41:59 AM
for survivedc. you can quit humping his leg now.  he didn't have the information.  for him, it was an opportunity to trash someone for merely missing part of a quote thus hitting the button in the wrong spot.

most of his "contributions" are opportunities to trash posters he cyber stalks.  again, to me, that's creepy.

this was a great thread started by choz that unfortunately degenerated into something else thanks to one poster.  typical.

All I did was report the weather. Stop blubbering you big girl's blouse.
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2013, 02:09:13 PM »
big girl's blouse?  now THAT'S creepy.

to everyone else...i'm sorry this thread has been hijacked.  i'll move on.
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2013, 02:47:36 PM »
Quote from: newsman13 on May 24, 2013, 02:09:13 PM
big girl's blouse?  now THAT'S creepy.

to everyone else...i'm sorry this thread has been hijacked.  i'll move on.

Nothing to apologize for, just stop whining.  You were incredulous that Akeem could be cold in October, Fun provided evidence suggesting it was pretty cold that year.   That's all within bounds.    Don't make it personal. 
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #33 on: May 25, 2013, 07:58:57 PM »
since there was nothing in the previously posted weather thread that found unusually cold temperatures in nyc in october 1980, i went to the nyc weather archive.  there was nothing to indicate unusually cold weather on any day in that month.  i can't say if it was colder than usual...but nothing unusual.
i'd also guess if akeem was in the airport and no one met him he wouldn't even leave the terminal to venture into town.  a guess.   

for the veterans on this board..thank you for your service.
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #34 on: May 25, 2013, 09:16:30 PM »
I read another story that said that Guy Lewis didn't remember who he was or that he was coming and that it was Houston that sent no one to pick him up.  Hakeem was told to take a cab from the airport.  That same story seems to indicate tha NYC was too cold and too busy and that Hakeem wanted to leave without even leaving the airport.
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2013, 10:15:16 PM »
Quote from: newsman13 on May 25, 2013, 07:58:57 PM
since there was nothing in the previously posted weather thread that found unusually cold temperatures in nyc in october 1980, i went to the nyc weather archive.  there was nothing to indicate unusually cold weather on any day in that month.

What are you even talking about? Five of the coldest temperatures ever recorded in the history of temperatures in the entire history of Octobers in NYC were recorded in October 1980. I posted the dates and the links to the record low temperatures:

October 13, 14, 26, 30 and 31.

http://www.intellicast.com/Local/History.aspx?month=10

Here's a screenshot of the webpage.

You should be quiet now, you're embarrassing yourself. Even I feel sorry for you, and I'm something of a sociopath.




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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2013, 10:05:51 AM »
the nyc weather people apparently don't think 30 degree weather at two in the morning is that extraordinary.

thanks for the research.  we'll never really know if hakeem was in the airport on those days at that time or whether he even left the terminal unless we ask him.

the debate is a good one without the personal attacks.

thank you for your service.
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2013, 11:16:24 AM »
My fiancee and all her friends that are from Peru who live in the U.S all complain about the cold anytime it drops below 50 degrees. Heck she was complaining all day yesterday. So if 50 degrees is cold for them I'm pretty sure it's going to be even worse for someone from Nigeria if they like the heat
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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2013, 11:49:44 AM »
Quote from: newsman13 on May 26, 2013, 10:05:51 AM
the nyc weather people apparently don't think 30 degree weather at two in the morning is that extraordinary.

Of course I'm not a meteorologist, but to me the lowest recorded temperature on a particular date would be extraordinary by definition.


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Re: Pivotal decisions over half a century that kept STJ in 2nd gear
« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2013, 01:11:36 PM »
Quote from: simplyred on May 25, 2013, 09:16:30 PM
I read another story that said that Guy Lewis didn't remember who he was or that he was coming and that it was Houston that sent no one to pick him up.  Hakeem was told to take a cab from the airport.  That same story seems to indicate tha NYC was too cold and too busy and that Hakeem wanted to leave without even leaving the airport.
That's a true story. Guy Lewis didnt meet him at the airport. And no one from St Johns met him at the airport either

I just read while looking it up that Akeem said NY was to cold and too frenetic and he asked his advisor which of the 5 schools that he was going to visit had the warmest temperature and Houston was it so he went to Houston after arriving at NY
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