Quote from: Poison on September 02, 2013, 06:08:25 PMQuote from: SJUFAN on September 02, 2013, 11:58:29 AMQuote from: bobre45 on September 02, 2013, 10:38:59 AMQuote from: Redstormy80 on August 30, 2013, 03:24:15 PMQuote from: bobre45 on August 30, 2013, 10:44:54 AMQuote from: Poison on August 30, 2013, 12:02:12 AMQuote from: desco80 on August 30, 2013, 12:00:29 AMQuote from: qcredman on August 29, 2013, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: NYCoffey on August 29, 2013, 05:00:40 PMWe reserve our right to prejudge all St. John's players and change our angle based on one bad performance. Or good performance.Exactly right. We also fall into the closely related habit of convincing ourselves a player is something other than what we've already observed. We've seen Harrison, Greene etc for 2 years now at 30mpg. Could they still have improved this summer? Sure. But, we try to convince ourselves (without having seen him) that Hooper is the next Steve Novak, while presuming that players who we have seen a huge sample size of will come back as something different than they were before. Lets not prejudge guys we've never seen. But when we do actually see a guy play for an extended period, we need to realize by and large that's who he is. It's not that black and white. Justin Brownlee was a terrific player his senior year at STJ. Lavin saw that coming. No one else did. Oh I think there were others who saw something in Brownlee. I give Lavin credit for trying Hardy at the point but it wasn't as if it wasn't being posted on a daily basis. He did realize that the Maliks couldn't do the job and made some pretty obvious adjustments. He reverted to the good old "play your best five" thing and it worked. Since then we had to live through a year with six starters, a losing record, the unnecessary loss of Harkless followed by a game over .500 and an NIT gift with DLO tossed. To be honest I think this coach has a lot to prove. The talent level is up but so are expectations. I think we'll have a decent year but 2014 looks like a real potential problem so far. I'm sending my check for the seats but I want to hear some big recruiting news before I do it again. This up and down stuff has to stop and I only trust what I see. Lavin's track record is nothing to crow about and this year's record and it's effect on recruiting will tell the story.What up and down recruiting stuff? He has delivered not just good classes every year but great classes every year. We haven't had a down recruiting year since he took overI didn't say up and down recruiting. You are what your record says you are and ours stinks. What happened with Polee, Lindsey and Garrett? We're damn lucky DLO came back and Sampson, GG and Sanchez are one year propositions at this point. Sheed can't carry a team and our roster is full of holes going forward. We're paying big bucks for all this and it's time to get real. Transfers happen. What holes do you speak of going forward? We look pretty damn good this year. Next year isn't here yet, I believe there is a very good chance both JK and CO are back next year. Until other wise stated, that is what we should expect. Lets enjoy this year first and hold our judgment for next year after we see what next year's team actually looks like. I think Jakarr and Chris both return. If they made significant progress this summer, I think we would have heard about it on Twitter via STJBB or Lavin. These guys while talented, still have a lot of work to do to first get on the NBA radar. I definitely dont see Obekpa leaving. And if Jakarr/Chris do actually go pro, that most likely means we had a very very good year
Quote from: SJUFAN on September 02, 2013, 11:58:29 AMQuote from: bobre45 on September 02, 2013, 10:38:59 AMQuote from: Redstormy80 on August 30, 2013, 03:24:15 PMQuote from: bobre45 on August 30, 2013, 10:44:54 AMQuote from: Poison on August 30, 2013, 12:02:12 AMQuote from: desco80 on August 30, 2013, 12:00:29 AMQuote from: qcredman on August 29, 2013, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: NYCoffey on August 29, 2013, 05:00:40 PMWe reserve our right to prejudge all St. John's players and change our angle based on one bad performance. Or good performance.Exactly right. We also fall into the closely related habit of convincing ourselves a player is something other than what we've already observed. We've seen Harrison, Greene etc for 2 years now at 30mpg. Could they still have improved this summer? Sure. But, we try to convince ourselves (without having seen him) that Hooper is the next Steve Novak, while presuming that players who we have seen a huge sample size of will come back as something different than they were before. Lets not prejudge guys we've never seen. But when we do actually see a guy play for an extended period, we need to realize by and large that's who he is. It's not that black and white. Justin Brownlee was a terrific player his senior year at STJ. Lavin saw that coming. No one else did. Oh I think there were others who saw something in Brownlee. I give Lavin credit for trying Hardy at the point but it wasn't as if it wasn't being posted on a daily basis. He did realize that the Maliks couldn't do the job and made some pretty obvious adjustments. He reverted to the good old "play your best five" thing and it worked. Since then we had to live through a year with six starters, a losing record, the unnecessary loss of Harkless followed by a game over .500 and an NIT gift with DLO tossed. To be honest I think this coach has a lot to prove. The talent level is up but so are expectations. I think we'll have a decent year but 2014 looks like a real potential problem so far. I'm sending my check for the seats but I want to hear some big recruiting news before I do it again. This up and down stuff has to stop and I only trust what I see. Lavin's track record is nothing to crow about and this year's record and it's effect on recruiting will tell the story.What up and down recruiting stuff? He has delivered not just good classes every year but great classes every year. We haven't had a down recruiting year since he took overI didn't say up and down recruiting. You are what your record says you are and ours stinks. What happened with Polee, Lindsey and Garrett? We're damn lucky DLO came back and Sampson, GG and Sanchez are one year propositions at this point. Sheed can't carry a team and our roster is full of holes going forward. We're paying big bucks for all this and it's time to get real. Transfers happen. What holes do you speak of going forward? We look pretty damn good this year. Next year isn't here yet, I believe there is a very good chance both JK and CO are back next year. Until other wise stated, that is what we should expect. Lets enjoy this year first and hold our judgment for next year after we see what next year's team actually looks like. I think Jakarr and Chris both return. If they made significant progress this summer, I think we would have heard about it on Twitter via STJBB or Lavin. These guys while talented, still have a lot of work to do to first get on the NBA radar.
Quote from: bobre45 on September 02, 2013, 10:38:59 AMQuote from: Redstormy80 on August 30, 2013, 03:24:15 PMQuote from: bobre45 on August 30, 2013, 10:44:54 AMQuote from: Poison on August 30, 2013, 12:02:12 AMQuote from: desco80 on August 30, 2013, 12:00:29 AMQuote from: qcredman on August 29, 2013, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: NYCoffey on August 29, 2013, 05:00:40 PMWe reserve our right to prejudge all St. John's players and change our angle based on one bad performance. Or good performance.Exactly right. We also fall into the closely related habit of convincing ourselves a player is something other than what we've already observed. We've seen Harrison, Greene etc for 2 years now at 30mpg. Could they still have improved this summer? Sure. But, we try to convince ourselves (without having seen him) that Hooper is the next Steve Novak, while presuming that players who we have seen a huge sample size of will come back as something different than they were before. Lets not prejudge guys we've never seen. But when we do actually see a guy play for an extended period, we need to realize by and large that's who he is. It's not that black and white. Justin Brownlee was a terrific player his senior year at STJ. Lavin saw that coming. No one else did. Oh I think there were others who saw something in Brownlee. I give Lavin credit for trying Hardy at the point but it wasn't as if it wasn't being posted on a daily basis. He did realize that the Maliks couldn't do the job and made some pretty obvious adjustments. He reverted to the good old "play your best five" thing and it worked. Since then we had to live through a year with six starters, a losing record, the unnecessary loss of Harkless followed by a game over .500 and an NIT gift with DLO tossed. To be honest I think this coach has a lot to prove. The talent level is up but so are expectations. I think we'll have a decent year but 2014 looks like a real potential problem so far. I'm sending my check for the seats but I want to hear some big recruiting news before I do it again. This up and down stuff has to stop and I only trust what I see. Lavin's track record is nothing to crow about and this year's record and it's effect on recruiting will tell the story.What up and down recruiting stuff? He has delivered not just good classes every year but great classes every year. We haven't had a down recruiting year since he took overI didn't say up and down recruiting. You are what your record says you are and ours stinks. What happened with Polee, Lindsey and Garrett? We're damn lucky DLO came back and Sampson, GG and Sanchez are one year propositions at this point. Sheed can't carry a team and our roster is full of holes going forward. We're paying big bucks for all this and it's time to get real. Transfers happen. What holes do you speak of going forward? We look pretty damn good this year. Next year isn't here yet, I believe there is a very good chance both JK and CO are back next year. Until other wise stated, that is what we should expect. Lets enjoy this year first and hold our judgment for next year after we see what next year's team actually looks like.
Quote from: Redstormy80 on August 30, 2013, 03:24:15 PMQuote from: bobre45 on August 30, 2013, 10:44:54 AMQuote from: Poison on August 30, 2013, 12:02:12 AMQuote from: desco80 on August 30, 2013, 12:00:29 AMQuote from: qcredman on August 29, 2013, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: NYCoffey on August 29, 2013, 05:00:40 PMWe reserve our right to prejudge all St. John's players and change our angle based on one bad performance. Or good performance.Exactly right. We also fall into the closely related habit of convincing ourselves a player is something other than what we've already observed. We've seen Harrison, Greene etc for 2 years now at 30mpg. Could they still have improved this summer? Sure. But, we try to convince ourselves (without having seen him) that Hooper is the next Steve Novak, while presuming that players who we have seen a huge sample size of will come back as something different than they were before. Lets not prejudge guys we've never seen. But when we do actually see a guy play for an extended period, we need to realize by and large that's who he is. It's not that black and white. Justin Brownlee was a terrific player his senior year at STJ. Lavin saw that coming. No one else did. Oh I think there were others who saw something in Brownlee. I give Lavin credit for trying Hardy at the point but it wasn't as if it wasn't being posted on a daily basis. He did realize that the Maliks couldn't do the job and made some pretty obvious adjustments. He reverted to the good old "play your best five" thing and it worked. Since then we had to live through a year with six starters, a losing record, the unnecessary loss of Harkless followed by a game over .500 and an NIT gift with DLO tossed. To be honest I think this coach has a lot to prove. The talent level is up but so are expectations. I think we'll have a decent year but 2014 looks like a real potential problem so far. I'm sending my check for the seats but I want to hear some big recruiting news before I do it again. This up and down stuff has to stop and I only trust what I see. Lavin's track record is nothing to crow about and this year's record and it's effect on recruiting will tell the story.What up and down recruiting stuff? He has delivered not just good classes every year but great classes every year. We haven't had a down recruiting year since he took overI didn't say up and down recruiting. You are what your record says you are and ours stinks. What happened with Polee, Lindsey and Garrett? We're damn lucky DLO came back and Sampson, GG and Sanchez are one year propositions at this point. Sheed can't carry a team and our roster is full of holes going forward. We're paying big bucks for all this and it's time to get real.
Quote from: bobre45 on August 30, 2013, 10:44:54 AMQuote from: Poison on August 30, 2013, 12:02:12 AMQuote from: desco80 on August 30, 2013, 12:00:29 AMQuote from: qcredman on August 29, 2013, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: NYCoffey on August 29, 2013, 05:00:40 PMWe reserve our right to prejudge all St. John's players and change our angle based on one bad performance. Or good performance.Exactly right. We also fall into the closely related habit of convincing ourselves a player is something other than what we've already observed. We've seen Harrison, Greene etc for 2 years now at 30mpg. Could they still have improved this summer? Sure. But, we try to convince ourselves (without having seen him) that Hooper is the next Steve Novak, while presuming that players who we have seen a huge sample size of will come back as something different than they were before. Lets not prejudge guys we've never seen. But when we do actually see a guy play for an extended period, we need to realize by and large that's who he is. It's not that black and white. Justin Brownlee was a terrific player his senior year at STJ. Lavin saw that coming. No one else did. Oh I think there were others who saw something in Brownlee. I give Lavin credit for trying Hardy at the point but it wasn't as if it wasn't being posted on a daily basis. He did realize that the Maliks couldn't do the job and made some pretty obvious adjustments. He reverted to the good old "play your best five" thing and it worked. Since then we had to live through a year with six starters, a losing record, the unnecessary loss of Harkless followed by a game over .500 and an NIT gift with DLO tossed. To be honest I think this coach has a lot to prove. The talent level is up but so are expectations. I think we'll have a decent year but 2014 looks like a real potential problem so far. I'm sending my check for the seats but I want to hear some big recruiting news before I do it again. This up and down stuff has to stop and I only trust what I see. Lavin's track record is nothing to crow about and this year's record and it's effect on recruiting will tell the story.What up and down recruiting stuff? He has delivered not just good classes every year but great classes every year. We haven't had a down recruiting year since he took over
Quote from: Poison on August 30, 2013, 12:02:12 AMQuote from: desco80 on August 30, 2013, 12:00:29 AMQuote from: qcredman on August 29, 2013, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: NYCoffey on August 29, 2013, 05:00:40 PMWe reserve our right to prejudge all St. John's players and change our angle based on one bad performance. Or good performance.Exactly right. We also fall into the closely related habit of convincing ourselves a player is something other than what we've already observed. We've seen Harrison, Greene etc for 2 years now at 30mpg. Could they still have improved this summer? Sure. But, we try to convince ourselves (without having seen him) that Hooper is the next Steve Novak, while presuming that players who we have seen a huge sample size of will come back as something different than they were before. Lets not prejudge guys we've never seen. But when we do actually see a guy play for an extended period, we need to realize by and large that's who he is. It's not that black and white. Justin Brownlee was a terrific player his senior year at STJ. Lavin saw that coming. No one else did. Oh I think there were others who saw something in Brownlee. I give Lavin credit for trying Hardy at the point but it wasn't as if it wasn't being posted on a daily basis. He did realize that the Maliks couldn't do the job and made some pretty obvious adjustments. He reverted to the good old "play your best five" thing and it worked. Since then we had to live through a year with six starters, a losing record, the unnecessary loss of Harkless followed by a game over .500 and an NIT gift with DLO tossed. To be honest I think this coach has a lot to prove. The talent level is up but so are expectations. I think we'll have a decent year but 2014 looks like a real potential problem so far. I'm sending my check for the seats but I want to hear some big recruiting news before I do it again. This up and down stuff has to stop and I only trust what I see. Lavin's track record is nothing to crow about and this year's record and it's effect on recruiting will tell the story.
Quote from: desco80 on August 30, 2013, 12:00:29 AMQuote from: qcredman on August 29, 2013, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: NYCoffey on August 29, 2013, 05:00:40 PMWe reserve our right to prejudge all St. John's players and change our angle based on one bad performance. Or good performance.Exactly right. We also fall into the closely related habit of convincing ourselves a player is something other than what we've already observed. We've seen Harrison, Greene etc for 2 years now at 30mpg. Could they still have improved this summer? Sure. But, we try to convince ourselves (without having seen him) that Hooper is the next Steve Novak, while presuming that players who we have seen a huge sample size of will come back as something different than they were before. Lets not prejudge guys we've never seen. But when we do actually see a guy play for an extended period, we need to realize by and large that's who he is. It's not that black and white. Justin Brownlee was a terrific player his senior year at STJ. Lavin saw that coming. No one else did.
Quote from: qcredman on August 29, 2013, 06:53:14 PMQuote from: NYCoffey on August 29, 2013, 05:00:40 PMWe reserve our right to prejudge all St. John's players and change our angle based on one bad performance. Or good performance.Exactly right. We also fall into the closely related habit of convincing ourselves a player is something other than what we've already observed. We've seen Harrison, Greene etc for 2 years now at 30mpg. Could they still have improved this summer? Sure. But, we try to convince ourselves (without having seen him) that Hooper is the next Steve Novak, while presuming that players who we have seen a huge sample size of will come back as something different than they were before. Lets not prejudge guys we've never seen. But when we do actually see a guy play for an extended period, we need to realize by and large that's who he is.
Quote from: NYCoffey on August 29, 2013, 05:00:40 PMWe reserve our right to prejudge all St. John's players and change our angle based on one bad performance. Or good performance.
We reserve our right to prejudge all St. John's players and change our angle based on one bad performance.