Creighton Game II

Our opponents play bad- it's all them, no credit to STJ

Our opponents play great- all STJ and Lavin's fault..

Either your feelings toward Lavin have clouded your basketball knowledge, or you never had any to begin with... 

O wait Boo spoke and stats don't lie and I couldn't agree more. 

See above post Creighton was terrible last night.  Paultzman you have to be the coolest St Johns fan in here by far.

O wait Boo spoke and stats don't lie and I couldn't agree more. 

See above post Creighton was terrible last night.  Paultzman you have to be the coolest St Johns fan in here by far.

Damn Paultzman!  So jealous!

Quote from: Needs2go on February 10, 2014, 12:13:55 PM

O wait Boo spoke and stats don't lie and I couldn't agree more. 

See above post Creighton was terrible last night.  Paultzman you have to be the coolest St Johns fan in here by far.

Damn Paultzman!  So jealous!

Just get to know the guy. 

O wait Boo spoke and stats don't lie and I couldn't agree more. 

See above post Creighton was terrible last night.  Paultzman you have to be the coolest St Johns fan in here by far.

 Their shooting percentage was awful?  Great analysis.  I think it's because of the defense.  We did it to them twice too.  Go figure. Only problem was the first time Jakarr didn't shut down McDermott.  This time he did, especially down the stretch.  When a teams star player and leading scorer is getting shut down and showing frustration,  the rest of the team gets tight and misses shots.. 

 Paultz-   I think you have a crush....Just in time for Valentine's Day too..  Lucky you..  Maybe an exchange of heart shaped pictures of Masiello?   

Quote from: Needs2go on February 10, 2014, 12:13:55 PM

O wait Boo spoke and stats don't lie and I couldn't agree more. 

See above post Creighton was terrible last night.  Paultzman you have to be the coolest St Johns fan in here by far.

 Their shooting percentage was awful?  Great analysis.  I think it's because of the defense.  We did it to them twice too.  Go figure. Only problem was the first time Jakarr didn't shut down McDermott.  This time he did, especially down the stretch.  When a teams star player and leading scorer is getting shut down and showing frustration,  the rest of the team gets tight and misses shots.. 

 Paultz-   I think you have a crush....Just in time for Valentine's Day too..  Lucky you..  Maybe an exchange of heart shaped pictures of Masiello?   

Hurtful comment Boo. He's my brother in law. Btw,  didn't you give us advice to ignore this guy? Just saying. 

Their shooting percentage was awful?  Great analysis.  I think it's because of the defense.  We did it to them twice too.  Go figure. Only problem was the first time Jakarr didn't shut down McDermott.  This time he did, especially down the stretch.  When a teams star player and leading scorer is getting shut down and showing frustration,  the rest of the team gets tight and misses shots..

Boo, I think Needs2go has quite eloquently explained that we have no effect on how our opponent's play.  As you stated earlier, we win when our opponents play their worst game of the season, and we lose when they don't.  St. John's offensive and defensive efficiency play no role in determining the outcome of the game.  Get it together man.

I think I adequately stepped in for Needs2go on the response, no?  I hope I didn't use too much intelligence and common sense, I wanted to be as accurate as possible in my impersonation...

 LOL.. Yes I should take my own advice.  I meant he had a crush on you, not other way around..

Anyway,  If you don't want to give coach any credit, at least give credit to the players.  It is insulting not to, besides just being flat out wrong.

No to be honest I don't think we wore them down at all I saw them miss one wide open look after another and brick one foul shot after another.

Sampson did a great job blanketing Sampson but Dougie still hit his average.

The other players came up real small and St Johns on a normal night could have lost this game by 8.

The rest of the team besides Doug

13-38 FGs most wide open looks
10-20 FTS  ouch

Lets not kid ourselves guys Creighton played terrible so not sure if you guys were watching the same game as me or you watched it through foggy glasses but if Creighton plays anywhere near what they are capable we don't win that game.  Besides Harrison once again it looked like they put a lid over out basket for the last 10 minutes.

Good win over a good team but once again this fan base doesn't know how to take things in stride.  We are still 5-6 in league with one quality win all year.  Our league will get no more than 4 teams in and probably only 3 so pipe down with this contract extension talk until we prove something.

Creighton actually scored more this time than the first game, the only difference is we scored more. Holding them below their average once maybe lucky, but twice? come on now, that is not an accident. 

Creighton coach Greg McDermott said. "Obviously, some of that credit goes to St. John's. Their length certainly impacts your ability to shoot the basketball and get clean looks at the basket."

But what does he know, he's just the coach.

In all our other victories I never once said the other team played bad or anything like that last night you just cant ignore the fact Creighton couldn't shoot the ball worth a s..t

How can you give credit to a team for giving another team wide open looks and missing.  In the first game it was all Dougie nobody shut anyone else down.  The supporting cast plays fine and normally hits those types of shots I have watched Creighton play many times this year.  Great win by St John's but Creighton had all the chances in the world to run away with that game if they could hit a few wide open looks.

And I think we have changed the image of our team from being a deep team to a team with a few solid ballplayers with not much depth.

The starting 5 Lavin has been sending out recently is the correct one and this is the main reason the results have changed plus a very soft part of their schedule.  We were know as a deep team that had 2 players at each position but that simply isn't the case.  We have 4 very solid players, 2 decent players, then a bunch of scrubs to round out the bench.

I do think Christian Jones will wind up being a good player

Well then, what about saying we only lost the first Creighton game because we shot one for nine from three.

Had a great time last night. Team played great. Coach had our guys prepared . Wasn't a large crowd but a good crowd . Don't know how a St. John's fan could find any negative about last nights game. Defense was excellent . A little hung over today . Can't wait until Thursday . Only 10 minutes train from penn station.

3+5=W

by 3+5=W  you must be referring to the 10 minutes branch played in which he scored 7 points, and the 20 minutes Sanchez played in which he grabbed 7 rebounds.

Doms best work came in the first half. Creighton was having fun and could have made things ugly. When Dom checked out we had a lead snd the tone had changed. He is inconsistent, so we need every body to get it done.

Dom did play a really good first half! Just wish he would stop wanting to be a point guard and rush up the court with the ball, at one point in the second half he tried to go coast to coast 1 v 4.

In all our other victories I never once said the other team played bad or anything like that last night you just cant ignore the fact Creighton couldn't shoot the ball worth a s..t

How can you give credit to a team for giving another team wide open looks and missing.  In the first game it was all Dougie nobody shut anyone else down.  The supporting cast plays fine and normally hits those types of shots I have watched Creighton play many times this year.  Great win by St John's but Creighton had all the chances in the world to run away with that game if they could hit a few wide open looks.

Again, they only scored 63 points the first game as well. Why? There is a reason why McD needed to score 39 to win the first game and that's because we shut the other players down. If we could hit a few wide open looks it would have been a blowout as well, so that doesn't mean anything. What you are not factoring in, which the coach mentioned, is our length. When we close out aggressively it makes the Creighton players have to get there shots off much quicker than they are accustomed to which makes them miss. Its all a part of defense, and the effort put forth by the players the fans should be proud of it.

SJU made them miss your so called "wide open shots", plus playing on the road, in MSG, none of that is "usual" for them. They don't "usually" go up against a team with our length and athleticism. We played them twice and held them to an average of 64 points a game, that's 16 points below their average. It doesn't matter how they played against other teams, what matters is how they play against us and after two games its fair to say that we play them very well on defense.     

People complaining or not satisfied with how the team is playing now are not real fans. Season looked lost and now at least you can start to get excited again. Still a lot of work to do but at least the games mean something again.

I will be honest though part of me is still annoyed that the coaching staff couldn't figure out rotations and who to play until February. Raftery even brought it up last night when they were discussing why team took so long to jell. It is almost as if Lavin purposely sandbagged the previous months just to ensure his silly proclamation about February would come true. But if we get into tourney all is forgiven.

It is almost as if Lavin purposely sandbagged the previous months just to ensure his silly proclamation about February would come true.

Almost? I'm quite sure he did. In the post game interview last night he said as much: he said the team has really come together since the second half of the GT game, aka right after master psychologist Lavin started his walk-ons. He's still a narcissistic buffoon, now he's just one with an almost .500 record in conference.

Quote from: we are sju on February 10, 2014, 02:30:15 PM

It is almost as if Lavin purposely sandbagged the previous months just to ensure his silly proclamation about February would come true.

Almost? I'm quite sure he did. In the post game interview last night he said as much: he said the team has really come together since the second half of the GT game, aka right after master psychologist Lavin started his walk-ons. He's still a narcissistic buffoon, now he's just one with an almost .500 record in conference.

I am sure he didn't want to start 0-5. Personally I think the sandbagging was unintentional. Maybe he wasn't as "concerned" with wins and losses early on during his mad scientist impersonation, but I don't think he would have done it if he knew the outcome would be 0-5.
Though to give your theory some fuel, even if we come up short of NCAA now people(media) will focus more on the come back from 0-5 and strong finish rather than the awful job he did early on. 

It is almost as if Lavin purposely sandbagged the previous months just to ensure his silly proclamation about February would come true.

Clay used to do the same thing with his infamous knockout round prognostications.