The Plight of Dangelo Harrison...

Quote from: we are sju on March 14, 2014, 01:12:37 PM

Seriously, what is the deal with the Harrison haters?
He got rid of the frohawk if that was part of the problem. People have speculated it is a race thing, but Hatten had cornrows and tats and is pretty well liked on this board.

Is it just a case of ridiculous expectations? Do people expect him to be Chris Mullin? He is not but he also does not have Wennington, Berry, Russell, Goodwin, Jackson and Glass. He also does not have Louie.

Is it just fans frustratingly take it out on the best player?

Very strange whatever the reason is

And his numbers are better than Hatten but it continues.

If only he went to Baylor like your summer prediction.  We would be battling DePaul for last in the BE.

I think the actual numbers of Harrison haters is pretty low.

The fact there are some shouldn't come as a surprise.  The majority of STJ fans are old crusty white guys.... A tatted up, mohawk wearing, kid from Texas who plays with his heart on his sleeve is sure to ruffle some of the wine and cheese crowd...

I wouldn't spend too much time worried about.. It's a very small minority

Quote from: Moose on March 14, 2014, 01:15:51 PM

Quote from: we are sju on March 14, 2014, 01:12:37 PM

Seriously, what is the deal with the Harrison haters?
He got rid of the frohawk if that was part of the problem. People have speculated it is a race thing, but Hatten had cornrows and tats and is pretty well liked on this board.

Is it just a case of ridiculous expectations? Do people expect him to be Chris Mullin? He is not but he also does not have Wennington, Berry, Russell, Goodwin, Jackson and Glass. He also does not have Louie.

Is it just fans frustratingly take it out on the best player?

Very strange whatever the reason is

And his numbers are better than Hatten but it continues.

If only he went to Baylor like your summer prediction.  We would be battling DePaul for last in the BE.

I would still take Hatten over him only becuase he was more fun to watch and made the tourney with an even worse roster than Harrison has. Though Hatten did have a better coach.

Quote from: boo3 on March 14, 2014, 01:31:12 PM

I think the actual numbers of Harrison haters is pretty low.

The fact there are some shouldn't come as a surprise.  The majority of STJ fans are old crusty white guys.... A tatted up, mohawk wearing, kid from Texas who plays with his heart on his sleeve is sure to ruffle some of the wine and cheese crowd...

I wouldn't spend too much time worried about.. It's a very small minority

Minority?  I'm not too sure Boo.  Maybe its 35/65 maybe.  They are a very vocal 35 % too.

Here is the crusty old winedrinking white guy view on Harrison.  Don't care about Tats or shoulder length hair, if the kid can play and can be controlled, sign him.   Great talent but may be undersized for the NBA at shooting guard.  Forces too many shots but, at the end of a game, he knows how to get to the line and keep us in it.  Defense is inconsistent, sometimes good, sometimes not. Definitely has consistency problems.  His demeanor problems have lessened, as pointed out previously Pointer and CO are more of a problem in this area.  A very nice player who could be great on a more competently coached team. 

Quote from: cjfish on March 14, 2014, 01:59:36 PM

Here is the crusty old winedrinking white guy view on Harrison.  Don't care about Tats or shoulder length hair, if the kid can play and can be controlled, sign him.   Great talent but may be undersized for the NBA at shooting guard.  Forces too many shots but, at the end of a game, he knows how to get to the line and keep us in it.  Defense is inconsistent, sometimes good, sometimes not. Definitely has consistency problems.  His demeanor problems have lessened, as pointed out previously Pointer and CO are more of a problem in this area.  A very nice player who could be great on a more competently coached team. 

See, even though your post was even handed, it brings out some of the unfairness towards Harrison. He gets criticized for forcing too many shots, yet people were complaining that he went too long w/o shooting yesterday. Kid can't win.

He is a talented offensive player and he showed a lot of maturity this year.... 

That said...   he is a dumb basketball player and very very lazy defender...    trying to launch that 3 with 30 seconds left was a bad basketball play and honestly it was the move of a player with a low basketball IQ

Quote from: cjfish on March 14, 2014, 01:59:36 PM

Here is the crusty old winedrinking white guy view on Harrison.  Don't care about Tats or shoulder length hair, if the kid can play and can be controlled, sign him.   Great talent but may be undersized for the NBA at shooting guard.  Forces too many shots but, at the end of a game, he knows how to get to the line and keep us in it.  Defense is inconsistent, sometimes good, sometimes not. Definitely has consistency problems.  His demeanor problems have lessened, as pointed out previously Pointer and CO are more of a problem in this area.  A very nice player who could be great on a more competently coached team. 

8 points for a kid of his talent before the 4 minute mark is not sowing up
See, even though your post was even handed, it brings out some of the unfairness towards Harrison. He gets criticized for forcing too many shots, yet people were complaining that he went too long w/o shooting yesterday. Kid can't win.

Quote from: we are sju on March 14, 2014, 02:16:40 PM

Quote from: cjfish on March 14, 2014, 01:59:36 PM

Here is the crusty old winedrinking white guy view on Harrison.  Don't care about Tats or shoulder length hair, if the kid can play and can be controlled, sign him.   Great talent but may be undersized for the NBA at shooting guard.  Forces too many shots but, at the end of a game, he knows how to get to the line and keep us in it.  Defense is inconsistent, sometimes good, sometimes not. Definitely has consistency problems.  His demeanor problems have lessened, as pointed out previously Pointer and CO are more of a problem in this area.  A very nice player who could be great on a more competently coached team. 

See, even though your post was even handed, it brings out some of the unfairness towards Harrison. He gets criticized for forcing too many shots, yet people were complaining that he went too long w/o shooting yesterday. Kid can't win.

Dribbling off 30 seconds on the clock each time down the floor is more to our fans liking.

*Side note NCAA should knock the shot clock down from 35 to 30.  Can't match the NBA's 24 but 35 is too long IMO.

I think the actual numbers of Harrison haters is pretty low.

The fact there are some shouldn't come as a surprise.  The majority of STJ fans are old crusty white guys.... A tatted up, mohawk wearing, kid from Texas who plays with his heart on his sleeve is sure to ruffle some of the wine and cheese crowd...

I wouldn't spend too much time worried about.. It's a very small minority

Seriously, what is the deal with the Harrison haters?
He got rid of the frohawk if that was part of the problem. People have speculated it is a race thing, but Hatten had cornrows and tats and is pretty well liked on this board.

Is it just a case of ridiculous expectations? Do people expect him to be Chris Mullin? He is not but he also does not have Wennington, Berry, Russell, Goodwin, Jackson and Glass. He also does not have Louie.

Is it just fans frustratingly take it out on the best player?

Very strange whatever the reason is

Quote from: we are sju on March 14, 2014, 01:12:37 PM

Seriously, what is the deal with the Harrison haters?
He got rid of the frohawk if that was part of the problem. People have speculated it is a race thing, but Hatten had cornrows and tats and is pretty well liked on this board.

Is it just a case of ridiculous expectations? Do people expect him to be Chris Mullin? He is not but he also does not have Wennington, Berry, Russell, Goodwin, Jackson and Glass. He also does not have Louie.

Is it just fans frustratingly take it out on the best player?

Very strange whatever the reason is

Does he take some ill advised shots? Absolutely
I like Lavin but some of this stuff falls on him for tolerating if not encouraging high risk, low success probability actions...I think Harrison believes he is expected to score and taking those shots is part of it...same reason Pointer reaches in so much on defense..he sees his role as the guy who has to make something happen on defense

Back to Dlo...I think he plays hard...inch-for-inch the best rebounder on the team...

Quote from: Moose on March 14, 2014, 02:18:40 PM

Quote from: we are sju on March 14, 2014, 02:16:40 PM

Quote from: cjfish on March 14, 2014, 01:59:36 PM

Here is the crusty old winedrinking white guy view on Harrison.  Don't care about Tats or shoulder length hair, if the kid can play and can be controlled, sign him.   Great talent but may be undersized for the NBA at shooting guard.  Forces too many shots but, at the end of a game, he knows how to get to the line and keep us in it.  Defense is inconsistent, sometimes good, sometimes not. Definitely has consistency problems.  His demeanor problems have lessened, as pointed out previously Pointer and CO are more of a problem in this area.  A very nice player who could be great on a more competently coached team. 

See, even though your post was even handed, it brings out some of the unfairness towards Harrison. He gets criticized for forcing too many shots, yet people were complaining that he went too long w/o shooting yesterday. Kid can't win.

Dribbling off 30 seconds on the clock each time down the floor is more to our fans liking.

*Side note NCAA should knock the shot clock down from 35 to 30.  Can't match the NBA's 24 but 35 is too long IMO.

There was a big story about the shot clock on I believe ESPN. Makes no sense why it is still 35. The women changed their's to 30 recently no?

Quote from: stjohnnie75 on March 14, 2014, 05:09:33 PM

Quote from: Moose on March 14, 2014, 02:18:40 PM

Quote from: we are sju on March 14, 2014, 02:16:40 PM

Quote from: cjfish on March 14, 2014, 01:59:36 PM

Here is the crusty old winedrinking white guy view on Harrison.  Don't care about Tats or shoulder length hair, if the kid can play and can be controlled, sign him.   Great talent but may be undersized for the NBA at shooting guard.  Forces too many shots but, at the end of a game, he knows how to get to the line and keep us in it.  Defense is inconsistent, sometimes good, sometimes not. Definitely has consistency problems.  His demeanor problems have lessened, as pointed out previously Pointer and CO are more of a problem in this area.  A very nice player who could be great on a more competently coached team. 

See, even though your post was even handed, it brings out some of the unfairness towards Harrison. He gets criticized for forcing too many shots, yet people were complaining that he went too long w/o shooting yesterday. Kid can't win.

Dribbling off 30 seconds on the clock each time down the floor is more to our fans liking.

*Side note NCAA should knock the shot clock down from 35 to 30.  Can't match the NBA's 24 but 35 is too long IMO.

There was a big story about the shot clock on I believe ESPN. Makes no sense why it is still 35. The women changed their's to 30 recently no?

If by recently you mean about 20 yrs ago-yes.

Harrison forces shots because the rest of the offense is pathetic. Dom and Phil are juniors, too. How'd they do? Right. Give it a rest.

Quote from: Poison on March 15, 2014, 01:46:49 AM

Harrison forces shots because the rest of the offense is pathetic. Dom and Phil are juniors, too. How'd they do? Right. Give it a rest.

Its mostly because theres no movement on offense to get him or anybody else an open look. Its all 1 on 1 or simple ball screens. Of the 350 division 1 teams I'd bet we rank 340 or worse in off ball screens set. Providence sets more off ball screens in one possession of their flex offense than we have the whole season