Why the Recruits for Next Year could Save Lavin and Us

This has become a mid major program. Time to accept it

Baldi - I can take reading it once, maybe twice, but check back on your posts.  Now you're harping on it.


I like the Manhattan/Iona rivalry, but a Manhattan grad is sayin' - you are trying to bring SJ's down to Iona's (and Manhattan's for that matter) level - ain't gonna happen.  Stop beating the drum when it's a) not true; b) not going to come true.


If you stated Sj's SOMETIMES plays a game at mid-major level, I could accept that as reasonable.  Mid-majors aren't chopped liver anymore, so no harm there.  But don't rile me up - I'll call Mazzella to straighten you out... 

I agree to a point.  Hopefully there will be more recruits.  If we get Thomas I think he will be a 6p8r guy, film I have seen shows a strong inside player, good hands, good condition.. ..I think he will be good immediately and has more upside.  Delarosa will be fine.  Once he has more professional conditioning coaches his development will accelerate.  He has shown he is committed by losing a lot of weight already.  As a great coach once said, "you cant teach size".  He has several things you cant teach, soft hands and good attitude towards teamwork.  Upside significant.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 10, 2014, 05:12:36 PM

This has become a mid major program. Time to accept it

Baldi - I can take reading it once, maybe twice, but check back on your posts.  Now you're harping on it.


I like the Manhattan/Iona rivalry, but a Manhattan grad is sayin' - you are trying to bring SJ's down to Iona's (and Manhattan's for that matter) level - ain't gonna happen.  Stop beating the drum when it's a) not true; b) not going to come true.


If you stated Sj's SOMETIMES plays a game at mid-major level, I could accept that as reasonable.  Mid-majors aren't chopped liver anymore, so no harm there.  But don't rile me up - I'll call Mazzella to straighten you out... 

I'm not only talking about St Johns. The whole league is Mid Major. Does anyone fear any team in the Big East? Villanova was the most overrated team this year and what happened to Creighton with the POY? They got smacked.  How does St Johns and the league get better next year? I don't like it., I've been a St Johns since I can walk. But this is a shame

Quote from: Jake209986 on April 10, 2014, 03:06:55 PM

A lot of teams are successful with 1 or 2 guys doing most of the heavy lifting scoring wise.  We'll just need the other guys (pointer, branch, jones, ADL, and whoever else) to do their jobs. 

Really need 3 guys who can consistently score that can carry a team. Right now we have 2, if either one has an off night as they will, it' over. Not much margin for error. UCONN came alive when DeAndre Jordan joined Napier and Boatright.

UCONN should be made to immediately vacate their NC for using a pro player with NBA experience in DeAndre Jordan! Know you meant D Daniels. The way some of you talk about this years team chemistry it is surprising that no one poisoned a teammate on the European trip. Than again we always hear about what great kids we have on the team.

Quote from: shamsman2 on April 10, 2014, 03:15:52 PM

Quote from: Jake209986 on April 10, 2014, 03:06:55 PM

A lot of teams are successful with 1 or 2 guys doing most of the heavy lifting scoring wise.  We'll just need the other guys (pointer, branch, jones, ADL, and whoever else) to do their jobs. 

Really need 3 guys who can consistently score that can carry a team. Right now we have 2, if either one has an off night as they will, it' over. Not much margin for error. UCONN came alive when DeAndre Jordan joined Napier and Boatright.

UCONN should be made to immediately vacate their NC for using a pro player with NBA experience in DeAndre Jordan! Know you meant D Daniels. The way some of you talk about this years team chemistry it is surprising that no one poisoned a teammate on the European trip. Than again we always hear about what great kids we have on the team.

I like that someone said Samson will be a great ambassador for the program during his pro career. This is the same guy who choked another player after the kid was lighting him up like a Christmas tree. Good luck in Taiwann

JaKarr thought he swallowed his gum and was just giving him his version of the Heimlich maneuver.

Quote from: bball purist on April 10, 2014, 05:17:34 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 10, 2014, 05:12:36 PM

This has become a mid major program. Time to accept it

Baldi - I can take reading it once, maybe twice, but check back on your posts.  Now you're harping on it.


I like the Manhattan/Iona rivalry, but a Manhattan grad is sayin' - you are trying to bring SJ's down to Iona's (and Manhattan's for that matter) level - ain't gonna happen.  Stop beating the drum when it's a) not true; b) not going to come true.


If you stated Sj's SOMETIMES plays a game at mid-major level, I could accept that as reasonable.  Mid-majors aren't chopped liver anymore, so no harm there.  But don't rile me up - I'll call Mazzella to straighten you out... 

I'm not only talking about St Johns. The whole league is Mid Major. Does anyone fear any team in the Big East? Villanova was the most overrated team this year and what happened to Creighton with the POY? They got smacked.  How does St Johns and the league get better next year? I don't like it., I've been a St Johns since I can walk. But this is a shame

Well, time to start the Beast/A-10 Challenge every year.  Maybe you're right - it would be a .500 conference record affair.  But let every other high major do the same thing, and then compare the difference.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 10, 2014, 05:22:14 PM

Quote from: bball purist on April 10, 2014, 05:17:34 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 10, 2014, 05:12:36 PM

This has become a mid major program. Time to accept it

Baldi - I can take reading it once, maybe twice, but check back on your posts.  Now you're harping on it.


I like the Manhattan/Iona rivalry, but a Manhattan grad is sayin' - you are trying to bring SJ's down to Iona's (and Manhattan's for that matter) level - ain't gonna happen.  Stop beating the drum when it's a) not true; b) not going to come true.


If you stated Sj's SOMETIMES plays a game at mid-major level, I could accept that as reasonable.  Mid-majors aren't chopped liver anymore, so no harm there.  But don't rile me up - I'll call Mazzella to straighten you out... 

I'm not only talking about St Johns. The whole league is Mid Major. Does anyone fear any team in the Big East? Villanova was the most overrated team this year and what happened to Creighton with the POY? They got smacked.  How does St Johns and the league get better next year? I don't like it., I've been a St Johns since I can walk. But this is a shame

Well, time to start the Beast/A-10 Challenge every year.  Maybe you're right - it would be a .500 conference record affair.  But let every other high major do the same thing, and then compare the difference.

Hopefully St. John's gets Fordham. Oh wait, that's not a lock either

We need warriors, not primadonnas.  Hopefully these kids have an edge like that.  We haven't had that toughness for a while now.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 10, 2014, 05:12:36 PM

This has become a mid major program. Time to accept it

Baldi - I can take reading it once, maybe twice, but check back on your posts.  Now you're harping on it.


I like the Manhattan/Iona rivalry, but a Manhattan grad is sayin' - you are trying to bring SJ's down to Iona's (and Manhattan's for that matter) level - ain't gonna happen.  Stop beating the drum when it's a) not true; b) not going to come true.


If you stated Sj's SOMETIMES plays a game at mid-major level, I could accept that as reasonable.  Mid-majors aren't chopped liver anymore, so no harm there.  But don't rile me up - I'll call Mazzella to straighten you out... 

I can't say I disagree with Baldi much of the time.  What I don't understand is how Realfan, Diehard Johnny and others get banned for doing exactly what Baldi does.

Baldi writes nothing but anti St John's posts.  I understand his penis envy as an Iona fan, but come on.  Be fair and let the others back.

Quote from: bball purist on April 10, 2014, 05:17:34 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 10, 2014, 05:12:36 PM

This has become a mid major program. Time to accept it

Baldi - I can take reading it once, maybe twice, but check back on your posts.  Now you're harping on it.


I like the Manhattan/Iona rivalry, but a Manhattan grad is sayin' - you are trying to bring SJ's down to Iona's (and Manhattan's for that matter) level - ain't gonna happen.  Stop beating the drum when it's a) not true; b) not going to come true.


If you stated Sj's SOMETIMES plays a game at mid-major level, I could accept that as reasonable.  Mid-majors aren't chopped liver anymore, so no harm there.  But don't rile me up - I'll call Mazzella to straighten you out... 

I can't say I disagree with Baldi much of the time.  What I don't understand is how Realfan, Diehard Johnny and others get banned for doing exactly what Baldi does.

Baldi writes nothing but anti St John's posts.  I understand his penis envy as an Iona fan, but come on.  Be fair and let the others back.

I would love nothing more than to compliment the program. Would love the chance

Check the NIT thread. Baldi was one of the few there. But hey that game didn't matter at all, to the staff, players, school or the fans

This has become a mid major program. Time to accept it

Oh sweet irony!

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 10, 2014, 05:12:36 PM

This has become a mid major program. Time to accept it

Oh sweet irony!

I already have a mid major

Quote from: DFF6 on April 10, 2014, 02:29:26 PM

Quote from: desco80 on April 10, 2014, 02:18:34 PM

Where did this notion come from that we only need some bruisers?      This isn't directed at just you Kid, but I think most of our fans have forgotten what actually happened this season.   We were an average rebounding team, and a pretty decent defensive team actually.   
It's very convenient to claim that we just need to add some role players who play hard-nosed D and can hit the boards, but that's not reality.

We couldn't score efficiently!   
We were second in the BE in opponents' fg%, and ranked 40th in Defensive Efficiency by Ken Pom.
We were ranked 130+ in Offensive Efficiency; near the bottom of the conference in assists, 3 pointers made, and were at best a mediocre foul shooting team.    THIS, was the problem.  Putting the ball in the net.   We lost close games coming down the stretch because we had 10min scoring droughts. 

Now, if you want to argue that Jakarr hogged the ball and hurt the flow?  Ok, that's plausible.   
But the truth is that while we can use obviously some better rebounding, more than anything we needed another play-maker, a stud, a scorer.

The conversation around here has become ridiculous.   It's as if none of you were paying attention for the last 6 months.   

I think without JaKarr's mind-numbing 18 foot jumpshots and Jordan assuming a larger role of the offense, our offense might be slightly better, or at least could be more efficient, than it was last year. but I don't think anyone is saying that we are better off without Sampson and Obekpa next year (at least I wasn't).

I think we are not going replace sampson and obekpa with like talents and we are not better off in that regard. But, I do believe this team has a chance to be a much better team than it was last year.  That is due to a few things, one being RJ having a year under his belt and the other is in relation to the above posts.  Also, the team concept is the most important and shouldnt be overlooked, both players mentioned were not good fits for the team concept this year.  Jakarr is a great kid, I really like him and i think he is a tremendous talent but he admitted himself he was playing within the team concept at times and obekpa well, i dont think we even have to address his team play at this point.  Assuming Thomas and at least two more players come on board, I think this team will surprise some folks. 

Trone, Dff6, Kid ... you guys make a good point.   Playing team-first ball is a big deal.  Even the most talented teams will look awful if they aren't sharing the ball.    You're right about that.   I'm not trying to bash the team at every opportunity.   Adding some of these guys - Thomas, Jacko, Marlon Jones etc - should help the ball movement and of course will be an upgrade on the boards.   But the offense still worries me.   I wanted to add another weapon.. a Mccullough, a Whitehead etc.    Obviously that didn't happen, so it's disappointing.   And I was hoping we'd add another outside threat; Marco and Hooper weren't what we were hoping for, but they should've been replaced with shooters that are a little more well-rounded.
 These guys fill an important role, but I'm not sure they are what we really needed.

Quote from: bball purist on April 10, 2014, 05:17:34 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 10, 2014, 05:12:36 PM

This has become a mid major program. Time to accept it

Baldi - I can take reading it once, maybe twice, but check back on your posts.  Now you're harping on it.


I like the Manhattan/Iona rivalry, but a Manhattan grad is sayin' - you are trying to bring SJ's down to Iona's (and Manhattan's for that matter) level - ain't gonna happen.  Stop beating the drum when it's a) not true; b) not going to come true.


If you stated Sj's SOMETIMES plays a game at mid-major level, I could accept that as reasonable.  Mid-majors aren't chopped liver anymore, so no harm there.  But don't rile me up - I'll call Mazzella to straighten you out... 

I can't say I disagree with Baldi much of the time.  What I don't understand is how Realfan, Diehard Johnny and others get banned for doing exactly what Baldi does.

Baldi writes nothing but anti St John's posts.  I understand his penis envy as an Iona fan, but come on.  Be fair and let the others back.

Baldi and Dave bonded at the BEB get together and Dave is eternally grateful that what Baldi did to Carmine did not happen to him

Quote from: newsman13 on April 10, 2014, 06:24:28 PM

Quote from: bball purist on April 10, 2014, 05:17:34 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 10, 2014, 05:12:36 PM

This has become a mid major program. Time to accept it

Baldi - I can take reading it once, maybe twice, but check back on your posts.  Now you're harping on it.


I like the Manhattan/Iona rivalry, but a Manhattan grad is sayin' - you are trying to bring SJ's down to Iona's (and Manhattan's for that matter) level - ain't gonna happen.  Stop beating the drum when it's a) not true; b) not going to come true.


If you stated Sj's SOMETIMES plays a game at mid-major level, I could accept that as reasonable.  Mid-majors aren't chopped liver anymore, so no harm there.  But don't rile me up - I'll call Mazzella to straighten you out... 

I can't say I disagree with Baldi much of the time.  What I don't understand is how Realfan, Diehard Johnny and others get banned for doing exactly what Baldi does.

Baldi writes nothing but anti St John's posts.  I understand his penis envy as an Iona fan, but come on.  Be fair and let the others back.

Baldi and Dave bonded at the BEB get together and Dave is eternally grateful that what Baldi did to Carmine did not happen to him

What happened between Baldi and Carmine back in the day?   

Quote from: we are sju on April 11, 2014, 11:15:22 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on April 10, 2014, 06:24:28 PM

Quote from: bball purist on April 10, 2014, 05:17:34 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 10, 2014, 05:12:36 PM

This has become a mid major program. Time to accept it

Baldi - I can take reading it once, maybe twice, but check back on your posts.  Now you're harping on it.


I like the Manhattan/Iona rivalry, but a Manhattan grad is sayin' - you are trying to bring SJ's down to Iona's (and Manhattan's for that matter) level - ain't gonna happen.  Stop beating the drum when it's a) not true; b) not going to come true.


If you stated Sj's SOMETIMES plays a game at mid-major level, I could accept that as reasonable.  Mid-majors aren't chopped liver anymore, so no harm there.  But don't rile me up - I'll call Mazzella to straighten you out... 

I can't say I disagree with Baldi much of the time.  What I don't understand is how Realfan, Diehard Johnny and others get banned for doing exactly what Baldi does.

Baldi writes nothing but anti St John's posts.  I understand his penis envy as an Iona fan, but come on.  Be fair and let the others back.

Baldi and Dave bonded at the BEB get together and Dave is eternally grateful that what Baldi did to Carmine did not happen to him

What happened between Baldi and Carmine back in the day?   

Ever seen Ned Beatty in the Deliverance?

Honestly everything was going well until it started to get late and Bluto suggested body shots. WASJU got out of there faster then basketball players leaving ST John's. Tha Kid, Marillac, Carmine and Dave were not as lucky. Sometimes late at night I can still hear their screams

Quote from: shamsman2 on April 10, 2014, 03:15:52 PM

Quote from: Jake209986 on April 10, 2014, 03:06:55 PM

A lot of teams are successful with 1 or 2 guys doing most of the heavy lifting scoring wise.  We'll just need the other guys (pointer, branch, jones, ADL, and whoever else) to do their jobs. 

Really need 3 guys who can consistently score that can carry a team. Right now we have 2, if either one has an off night as they will, it' over. Not much margin for error. UCONN came alive when DeAndre Jordan joined Napier and Boatright.

UCONN should be made to immediately vacate their NC for using a pro player with NBA experience in DeAndre Jordan! Know you meant D Daniels. The way some of you talk about this years team chemistry it is surprising that no one poisoned a teammate on the European trip. Than again we always hear about what great kids we have on the team.

thanks for the correction. you can have great kids but still no chemistry. who knows what happened this year, maybe somebody can write a book about it. saddest part of next year as "Poison" put it that was hoping the either Sampson or Obepka would have gotten it next year. would have had our three scorers.

Like what I read about de la Rosa and the WCC kid, but just don't see them contributing much their first year. Hustling and playing unselfish basketball would be a great place to start.

Quote from: desco80 on April 11, 2014, 11:26:13 AM

Quote from: we are sju on April 11, 2014, 11:15:22 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on April 10, 2014, 06:24:28 PM

Quote from: bball purist on April 10, 2014, 05:17:34 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 10, 2014, 05:12:36 PM

This has become a mid major program. Time to accept it

Baldi - I can take reading it once, maybe twice, but check back on your posts.  Now you're harping on it.


I like the Manhattan/Iona rivalry, but a Manhattan grad is sayin' - you are trying to bring SJ's down to Iona's (and Manhattan's for that matter) level - ain't gonna happen.  Stop beating the drum when it's a) not true; b) not going to come true.


If you stated Sj's SOMETIMES plays a game at mid-major level, I could accept that as reasonable.  Mid-majors aren't chopped liver anymore, so no harm there.  But don't rile me up - I'll call Mazzella to straighten you out... 

I can't say I disagree with Baldi much of the time.  What I don't understand is how Realfan, Diehard Johnny and others get banned for doing exactly what Baldi does.

Baldi writes nothing but anti St John's posts.  I understand his penis envy as an Iona fan, but come on.  Be fair and let the others back.

Baldi and Dave bonded at the BEB get together and Dave is eternally grateful that what Baldi did to Carmine did not happen to him

What happened between Baldi and Carmine back in the day?   

Ever seen Ned Beatty in the Deliverance?

Honestly everything was going well until it started to get late and Bluto suggested body shots. WASJU got out of there faster then basketball players leaving ST John's. Tha Kid, Marillac, Carmine and Dave were not as lucky. Sometimes late at night I can still hear their screams

Somehow large portions of the evening have been blacked out in my memory.  Was I pitching or catching?