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Quote from: shamsman2 on November 27, 2014, 03:36:04 PM

couldn't disagree more on your "drama queen" comment. I think Lavin did what he had to do and admire him for it. Most coaches and leader are afraid to do it and suffer the consequences. When the person, buys into their responsibility, you have an A player.

Lavin suspended Harrison exactly so that the rubes would admire him for it. And rather than suffering consequences, it gave him a built in excuse for failing. The only person who suffered consequences is Harrison: as late as yesterday on the ESPN pre game he was described by Dino Gaudio as having "off the court issues." There is zero evidence - zero - that the suspension did anything that normal maturation would not have. And in fact Harrison stills rolls his eyes at the coaches - he rolled his eyes at Whitesell walking out of a time out two games ago - and is still as demonstrative on the court as he ever was.

I see this all the time, so your certainty rings hollow to me. What do you know about "zero evidence?" Where you part of their conversations? Please with your assumptions

Obekpa refused to go into a game, Pointer has done more stupid shit on the court than Harrison by 10X and Harrison is the one who got suspended?

I guess all of you who think Lavin is Father Flannigan also believe he was really teaching Dom how to play D during that timeout a couple years ago.

Some of you will never appreciate Harrison because of the tattoos and frohawk.

I am a big Harrison fan and will always root for his success.  That doesn't mean there weren't any off-court issues.  I don't know that Dom has done anything directed toward the coaching staff or his teammates.  His issues have been a couple of run ins with the opponent.  Not the same.  As for Obekpa, a part of me wanted him gone after he refused to enter the game.  I'm glad that his attitude has changed this year but I'm not sure I, if I was his coach, would have accepted him back.  The point about D'lo is that no one who knows what happened, including D'lo, has ever come out and said that Lavin's actions were unwarranted.  Only Lavin haters on these boards.

Bottom line is that D-  Lo, post suspension, has been unbelievable on the court and off the court.  End of story.    He's been better than ever.   Amazing people are still debating this.  Was a year and a half ago.    Whatever happened, it worked.  Move on.  Thankfully the player and coach have.

Guys we have a big game tomorrow .

Guys we have a big game tomorrow .

I really don't know where they get the energy to re-hash this over and over.   It's really quite impressive.

Quote from: TONYD3 on November 27, 2014, 10:56:10 PM

Guys we have a big game tomorrow .

I really don't know where they get the energy to re-hash this over and over.   It's really quite impressive.

See the truly amazing thing is I started a pro Harrison thread and some of you are so anti Harrison that you chose to key in on two words in the paragraph to further the anti Harrison agenda that some of you can't shake.

Who is anti Harrison?    Hysterical. 

So, about Gonzaga

I see this all the time, so your certainty rings hollow to me. What do you know about "zero evidence?" Where you part of their conversations? Please with your assumptions

Yeah, except I'm not making assumptions, you are. You assume that Lavin had to do something, you assume that he did the thing he had to do for laudable reasons, and you assume that the thing that Lavin had to do produced the result that Lavin intended. There is no evidence that any of that is true. There is only post hoc ergo propter hoc.

My assumptions, such as they are, are that like most vapid celebrities Lavin is neurotic and insecure and that like most students D'Angelo Harrison naturally matured during his four years of college life. There is ample evidence for those propositions and if you haven't noticed it I can't help you.

Quote from: shamsman2 on November 27, 2014, 10:23:13 PM

I see this all the time, so your certainty rings hollow to me. What do you know about "zero evidence?" Where you part of their conversations? Please with your assumptions

Yeah, except I'm not making assumptions, you are. You assume that Lavin had to do something, you assume that he did the thing he had to do for laudable reasons, and you assume that the thing that Lavin had to do produced the result that Lavin intended. There is no evidence that any of that is true. There is only post hoc ergo propter hoc. My assumptions, such as they are, are that like most vapid celebrities Lavin is neurotic and insecure and that like most students D'Angelo Harrison naturally matured during his four years of college life. There is ample evidence for those propositions and if you haven't noticed it I can't help you.

at least you are consistent in your certainty, based on your assumptions. must be nice to live in a black and white world.

at least you are consistent in your certainty, based on your assumptions. must be nice to live in a black and white world.

Some things are grey. Here's one that's not: man is the most pernicious race of odious little vermin that nature has suffered to crawl across the surface of the earth. In choosing the most likely motive for human behavior one cannot go too far wrong choosing the one that's the most wicked and obscene.
The best that can be said for Lavin is that he's too much a bubblehead to be truly malevolent. He's more of a small time grifter. And you people are the marks.

Who is anti Harrison?    Hysterical.  


So, about Gonzaga

Let's look at the evidence shall we:
On these boards Harrison has been called a "thug" and despite being our far and away best player these past three years is often criticized. Meanwhile there were numerous threads calling for Hooper and Bourgault to get more time. Now why do you think there were threads calling for two terrible white guys to play more? Furthermore in 5 or 6 sentences I just sang Harrison's praises for being the best player on a bad team for the past two years and still playing harder than anyone else. And what the thread has turned into is some people keying in on two words and blindly defending the coach instead of the player. This is a fact as we were never really given any concrete reason for his suspension,you know like refusing to enter a game. Hey maybe Harrison was raping the guys in the shower, but as far as any of us know a real reason was never given. So my only argument is Harrison deserves at least same benefit of the doubt that Lavin does.

And finally I put it to you @boo3 what about Harrison on court personality has changed since the suspension?

Quote from: shamsman2 on November 28, 2014, 07:57:42 AM

at least you are consistent in your certainty, based on your assumptions. must be nice to live in a black and white world.

Some things are grey. Here's one that's not: man is the most pernicious race of odious little vermin that nature has suffered to crawl across the surface of the earth. In choosing the most likely motive for human behavior one cannot go too far wrong choosing the one that's the most wicked and obscene. The best that can be said for Lavin is that he's too much a bubblehead to be truly malevolent. He's more of a small time grifter. And you people are the marks.

And you motives are pure and altruistic. I think there's some grey in there somewhere. Foad, I like you lead the charge on addressing this board's looking back far too much (imo) on certain incidences that occurred with the players.   We should be focusing on the present. This current squad needs to win, and keep winning.... Other posters need to let a lot of it go.  I am far past any of these "learning experiences." People change and grow, I think we need to do some on this board.  We have right now to experience.

Maybe because we historically we can't shoot and Hooper and Bourgault were like back-up QBs and were thought to be able to shoot. They may have been our best shooters since oh I don't know, want to say Rowan or Mullin but I don't want to fuel your racism angle so I'll say since Bootsy Thorton.

And you motives are pure and altruistic. I think there's some grey in there somewhere.

I don't pretend to be an altruist. On the contrary, I'm quite aware that I'm a douche most of the time. And I certainly don't pretend that my acting like a douche makes you a better person.

Foad, I like you lead the charge on addressing this board's looking back far too much (imo) on certain incidences that occurred with the players. We should be focusing on the present. This current squad needs to win, and keep winning.... Other posters need to let a lot of it go. I am far past any of these "learning experiences." People change and grow, I think we need to do some on this board. We have right now to experience.

Wouldn't a better way to focus on the present be to post opinions relevant to current topics you're interested in in threads relevant to your interests rather than suggesting that I post opinions irrelevant to what I'm interested in in threads in which I'm disinterested?  

Maybe because we historically we can't shoot and Hooper and Bourgault were like back-up QBs and were thought to be able to shoot. They may have been our best shooters since oh I don't know, want to say Rowan or Mullin but I don't want to fuel your racism angle so I'll say since Bootsy Thorton.

Yes, Sophie Marceau was a better shooter than Dwight Hardy. Good one.

I said maybe, was not giving my opinion on shooting because while they both may have been able to shoot the lights out in drills I do realize there is a big difference in being able to do it in games, and realize Hardy and others got it done way better in games. I thank you very much for giving me the benefit of the doubt though.

Harrison's criticism is not so much because he is black but because of his tattoo's and hairstyle but yes partly because he is black. If he looked like Hooper the posters here would have had a four year orgasm over him. Again he was called a thug on these boards, what in the name of Dom Pointer has he ever done to warrant that?

The idea that Hooper and Bourgault could shoot merely because they were white is stereotyping at its finest and partly racist as people here were looking for a white guy to root for. The kid Stewart looks to be just as much a shooter as Frenchy or Hooper were yet there is not 100 posts clamoring for him to play. Wonder why?

Harrison's criticism is not so much because he is black but because of his tattoo's and hairstyle but yes partly because he is black. If he looked like Hooper the posters here would have had a four year orgasm over him. Again he was called a thug on these boards, what in the name of Dom Pointer has he ever done to warrant that? The idea that Hooper and Bourgault could shoot merely because they were white is stereotyping at its finest and partly racist as people here were looking for a white guy to root for. The kid Stewart looks to be just as much a shooter as Frenchy or Hooper were yet there is not 100 posts clamoring for him to play. Wonder why?

A lot of this simply isn't true. We all thought Hooper and Bourgault could shoot because that's what their scouting reports said they were good at. If Hooper couldn't shoot he had no business being a D 1 player, we knew that before he even stepped on the court. Turns out, he couldn't shoot at this level. Hooper would post on Twiter how he'd hit 90% of his shots during his workouts. Lavin hyped them up as deadeyes of course. And I think the both could actually shoot, this wasn't the right level for the to showcase that ability however. 

Then if true that goes back to blindly believing everything Lavin says. Which is my original point in not taking Lavin version of Harrison's suspension at face value because I find Lavin disingenuous.

Again I simply started this thread as an appreciation for the most underrated, underappreciated player we have had since Norm took over and the dark days started. Some took one sentence in the original post to further their agenda of bashing Harrison, while blindly following Lavin.  Whatever, as long as Lavin does not do anything crazy, I like the way we are playing and I predict a tourney bid.

Now that 3'lo is a senior and fast approaching 2nd or 3rd on the all-time scoring charts, there is little doubt that he is very popular with an over whelming majority of our fans.

If anybody has their doubts there will be a very simple way to tell if that's true.  Just go to senior night and listen for the applause.  I guarantee you that Harrison gets the biggest ovation.