Bench Decorum

get over the wat Lavin dresses-he could wear nothing as long as he wins.  Last night I saw him in a gray pin stipe suit not a sweat suit.  Yeah-he wears high zipper collar shirt under it.  Big deal.  Maybe he sweats a lot and the Underarmor shirt is one of theirs that absorbs well (I have one of their winter shirts I use when running in winter and it look dry when I am finished.)  Nothing is worse than a coach in shirtsleeves with a two shaded blue shirt (dry and sweaty).

Maybe Lavin is making a fashion statement.  Time change--get over yourselves.  Heck, I remember when every football coach (pro and college) wore a suit and tie.  At least Lavin isn't wearing a hoodie like Bellichek

get over the wat Lavin dresses-he could wear nothing as long as he wins. Last night I saw him in a gray pin stipe suit not a sweat suit. Yeah-he wears high zipper collar shirt under it. Big deal. Maybe he sweats a lot and the Underarmor shirt is one of theirs that absorbs well (I have one of their winter shirts I use when running in winter and it look dry when I am finished.) Nothing is worse than a coach in shirtsleeves with a two shaded blue shirt (dry and sweaty). Maybe Lavin is making a fashion statement. Time change--get over yourselves. Heck, I remember when every football coach (pro and college) wore a suit and tie. At least Lavin isn't wearing a hoodie like Bellichek

Good example.  Belicheck coaches an outdoor sport, played over the winter months, with his home games in Massachusetts.  
Again, if every other D1 basketball coach (not to mention DII, DIII, and high school) can wear a tie, why can't this coach?
Because he thinks he's too highly of himself.  Unwritten rules don't apply to him. 

Quote from: redslope on December 23, 2014, 04:29:52 PM

get over the wat Lavin dresses-he could wear nothing as long as he wins. Last night I saw him in a gray pin stipe suit not a sweat suit. Yeah-he wears high zipper collar shirt under it. Big deal. Maybe he sweats a lot and the Underarmor shirt is one of theirs that absorbs well (I have one of their winter shirts I use when running in winter and it look dry when I am finished.) Nothing is worse than a coach in shirtsleeves with a two shaded blue shirt (dry and sweaty). Maybe Lavin is making a fashion statement. Time change--get over yourselves. Heck, I remember when every football coach (pro and college) wore a suit and tie. At least Lavin isn't wearing a hoodie like Bellichek

Good example. Belicheck coaches an outdoor sport, played over the winter months, with his home games in Massachusetts. Again, if every other D1 basketball coach (not to mention DII, DIII, and high school) can wear a tie, why can't this coach? Because he thinks he's too highly of himself. Unwritten rules don't apply to him.

Dude, let it go. Nobody but you cares what he wears. It's stupid that a man coaching a sporting event is expected to wear a tie in the first place. 

Bob Knight, Rick Majerus

Bob Knight, Rick Majerus

Fair points Simplyred.   There are exceptions.    And of course this isn't the biggest transgression in the world, but it irks me.
If Lavin keeps winning and keeps running a clean program, I can certainly learn to live with it.   

But Mike, I don't know why you assume that the University is OK with everything this coach does.  That's just naive.

Quote from: desco80 on December 23, 2014, 04:59:44 PM

Quote from: redslope on December 23, 2014, 04:29:52 PM

get over the wat Lavin dresses-he could wear nothing as long as he wins. Last night I saw him in a gray pin stipe suit not a sweat suit. Yeah-he wears high zipper collar shirt under it. Big deal. Maybe he sweats a lot and the Underarmor shirt is one of theirs that absorbs well (I have one of their winter shirts I use when running in winter and it look dry when I am finished.) Nothing is worse than a coach in shirtsleeves with a two shaded blue shirt (dry and sweaty). Maybe Lavin is making a fashion statement. Time change--get over yourselves. Heck, I remember when every football coach (pro and college) wore a suit and tie. At least Lavin isn't wearing a hoodie like Bellichek

Good example. Belicheck coaches an outdoor sport, played over the winter months, with his home games in Massachusetts. Again, if every other D1 basketball coach (not to mention DII, DIII, and high school) can wear a tie, why can't this coach? Because he thinks he's too highly of himself. Unwritten rules don't apply to him.

Dude, let it go. Nobody but you cares what he wears. It's stupid that a man coaching a sporting event is expected to wear a tie in the first place.

Not when he is your university's highest paid professional.   Also, it's the industry standard. 
And I'll let it go if people stop telling me it's ridiculous.  Because it's not.    When the issue comes up, I'm going to point this out.

Never thought we would have to merge a decorum and wardrobe thread, but here we are. New low.

Not when he is your university's highest paid professional.   Also, it's the industry standard.  
And I'll let it go if people stop telling me it's ridiculous.  Because it's not.    When the issue comes up, I'm going to point this out.


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Suits and ties were also once the industry standard in business then we moved to "casual Friday" which has evolved to Business casual all week.  Times change--so does fashion.  Bobby Jones and his contemporaries wore ties and plus fours when playing golf now Rory McElroy and his peers are not wearing such apparel--shame on them.  And sorry about my reference to Belichek--look at how Tom Coughlin and his opponent were dressed In Doors last Sunday; Vince Lombardi would be appalled at such lack of decorum. 

While clothing makes the man, winning makes the coach!

I've observed inappropriate behavior from our bench at the end of this game and at the end of at least one other blowout victory. I understand youthful exuberance and recognize the excitement they must feel in winning, being ranked and now frequently playing the role of pounder instead of their usual past role as poundee. I would like the team to tone it down and display class and dignity at the end of victories. Let's try to act like we've won games before. The coaching staff needs to direct them as such. Who among us could ever forget the behavior of Johnny Flynn and Co. in the waning moments of that a$$ whuppin they laid on us at the garden when they brought in there reserves at garbage time who were still better than our starters. Let's seek to replicate the Ncaa appearances and deep runs of New York's former team - not their classlessness. Disclaimer: Granted this is nit-picking and I am old and stodgy.

IMO you re nitpicking. They should be happy after a win, nothing wrong w displaying positive emotions.

Quote from: redslope on December 23, 2014, 04:29:52 PM

get over the wat Lavin dresses-he could wear nothing as long as he wins. Last night I saw him in a gray pin stipe suit not a sweat suit. Yeah-he wears high zipper collar shirt under it. Big deal. Maybe he sweats a lot and the Underarmor shirt is one of theirs that absorbs well (I have one of their winter shirts I use when running in winter and it look dry when I am finished.) Nothing is worse than a coach in shirtsleeves with a two shaded blue shirt (dry and sweaty). Maybe Lavin is making a fashion statement. Time change--get over yourselves. Heck, I remember when every football coach (pro and college) wore a suit and tie. At least Lavin isn't wearing a hoodie like Bellichek

Good example. Belicheck coaches an outdoor sport, played over the winter months, with his home games in Massachusetts. Again, if every other D1 basketball coach (not to mention DII, DIII, and high school) can wear a tie, why can't this coach? Because he thinks he's too highly of himself. Unwritten rules don't apply to him.

Lavin actually explained why he doesn't wear a tie a few years ago.  He said it was uncomfortable on the sidelines with a tie because during stress of game it made him feel claustrophobic or that it distracted him on the sidelines.  That's when he made an effort to drop the tie and add those infamous sneakers.  I suppose he wears that zip up because it is comfortable and he's still trying to "dress it up" with the suit.  Who cares as long as we are winning.  The coaching is also the best it has been.

Never thought we would have to merge a decorum and wardrobe thread, but here we are. New low.

i think this is a good thing, trolls and flamers are going to troll and flame.  last year we had to debate whether Khadim Ndiaye and lipscomb should start.  that fact that they are resorting to threads about clothing and calling these kids punks for getting sick is a good sign. relish it

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Quote from: desco80 on December 23, 2014, 04:59:44 PM

Quote from: redslope on December 23, 2014, 04:29:52 PM

get over the wat Lavin dresses-he could wear nothing as long as he wins. Last night I saw him in a gray pin stipe suit not a sweat suit. Yeah-he wears high zipper collar shirt under it. Big deal. Maybe he sweats a lot and the Underarmor shirt is one of theirs that absorbs well (I have one of their winter shirts I use when running in winter and it look dry when I am finished.) Nothing is worse than a coach in shirtsleeves with a two shaded blue shirt (dry and sweaty). Maybe Lavin is making a fashion statement. Time change--get over yourselves. Heck, I remember when every football coach (pro and college) wore a suit and tie. At least Lavin isn't wearing a hoodie like Bellichek

Good example. Belicheck coaches an outdoor sport, played over the winter months, with his home games in Massachusetts. Again, if every other D1 basketball coach (not to mention DII, DIII, and high school) can wear a tie, why can't this coach? Because he thinks he's too highly of himself. Unwritten rules don't apply to him.

Dude, let it go. Nobody but you cares what he wears. It's stupid that a man coaching a sporting event is expected to wear a tie in the first place.

Not when he is your university's highest paid professional. Also, it's the industry standard. And I'll let it go if people stop telling me it's ridiculous. Because it's not. When the issue comes up, I'm going to point this out.

Ok, but seriously I have to ask the question, why? You're saying he has to do it because most other head coaches do it? I would understand if he was doing something that required him to look nice, but he's coaching a sport, not conducting a business meeting. I know you think he's doing it because he's full of himself, but I just look at it as a comfort thing. I would prefer him to be comfortable while he's coaching. You should just be happy he hasn't gone full Huggins yet.

It is very ridiculous. I'm not saying him wearing what he has been doesn't look funny. I just don't care at all. Kind of like Keady's old hair.

On the decorum issue:

I reference my stance on baseball when a player jacks and celebrates a home run and the pitcher/catcher/other team gets pissed off. If you're gonna serve up a 450 foot shot to dead center you bet your ass I'm gonna celebrate and you're gonna watch. 

When we beat down a team or a team beats us down in comparison, celebrate, do what you want. It's a childs game anyway. Harrison makes a play and he shimmys and screams and its the best part of the game. It gives me goosebumps. I want to see emotions not robots.

Bob Knight, Rick Majerus

Mike Brey and that awful turtleneck look.  Oh wait, he's the second highest paid employee. 

Quote from: redstorm212 on December 23, 2014, 05:01:54 PM

Quote from: desco80 on December 23, 2014, 04:59:44 PM

Quote from: redslope on December 23, 2014, 04:29:52 PM

get over the wat Lavin dresses-he could wear nothing as long as he wins. Last night I saw him in a gray pin stipe suit not a sweat suit. Yeah-he wears high zipper collar shirt under it. Big deal. Maybe he sweats a lot and the Underarmor shirt is one of theirs that absorbs well (I have one of their winter shirts I use when running in winter and it look dry when I am finished.) Nothing is worse than a coach in shirtsleeves with a two shaded blue shirt (dry and sweaty). Maybe Lavin is making a fashion statement. Time change--get over yourselves. Heck, I remember when every football coach (pro and college) wore a suit and tie. At least Lavin isn't wearing a hoodie like Bellichek

Good example. Belicheck coaches an outdoor sport, played over the winter months, with his home games in Massachusetts. Again, if every other D1 basketball coach (not to mention DII, DIII, and high school) can wear a tie, why can't this coach? Because he thinks he's too highly of himself. Unwritten rules don't apply to him.

Dude, let it go. Nobody but you cares what he wears. It's stupid that a man coaching a sporting event is expected to wear a tie in the first place.

Not when he is your university's highest paid professional.   Also, it's the industry standard. 
And I'll let it go if people stop telling me it's ridiculous.  Because it's not.    When the issue comes up, I'm going to point this out.

Change is a good thing Desco!

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on December 23, 2014, 02:22:03 AM

I've observed inappropriate behavior from our bench at the end of this game and at the end of at least one other blowout victory. I understand youthful exuberance and recognize the excitement they must feel in winning, being ranked and now frequently playing the role of pounder instead of their usual past role as poundee. I would like the team to tone it down and display class and dignity at the end of victories. Let's try to act like we've won games before. The coaching staff needs to direct them as such. Who among us could ever forget the behavior of Johnny Flynn and Co. in the waning moments of that a$$ whuppin they laid on us at the garden when they brought in there reserves at garbage time who were still better than our starters. Let's seek to replicate the Ncaa appearances and deep runs of New York's former team - not their classlessness. Disclaimer: Granted this is nit-picking and I am old and stodgy.

IMO you re nitpicking. They should be happy after a win, nothing wrong w displaying positive emotions.

FWIW I've seen the guys horsing around on the bench but it hasn't seemed to be directed at the other team.  Just many a slight overcelebration of a good night.  Dlo, once he gets off the court, seems to be a bit of a class clown which I can relate to.

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Quote from: redstorm212 on December 23, 2014, 05:01:54 PM

Quote from: desco80 on December 23, 2014, 04:59:44 PM

Quote from: redslope on December 23, 2014, 04:29:52 PM

get over the wat Lavin dresses-he could wear nothing as long as he wins. Last night I saw him in a gray pin stipe suit not a sweat suit. Yeah-he wears high zipper collar shirt under it. Big deal. Maybe he sweats a lot and the Underarmor shirt is one of theirs that absorbs well (I have one of their winter shirts I use when running in winter and it look dry when I am finished.) Nothing is worse than a coach in shirtsleeves with a two shaded blue shirt (dry and sweaty). Maybe Lavin is making a fashion statement. Time change--get over yourselves. Heck, I remember when every football coach (pro and college) wore a suit and tie. At least Lavin isn't wearing a hoodie like Bellichek

Good example. Belicheck coaches an outdoor sport, played over the winter months, with his home games in Massachusetts. Again, if every other D1 basketball coach (not to mention DII, DIII, and high school) can wear a tie, why can't this coach? Because he thinks he's too highly of himself. Unwritten rules don't apply to him.

Dude, let it go. Nobody but you cares what he wears. It's stupid that a man coaching a sporting event is expected to wear a tie in the first place.

Not when he is your university's highest paid professional. Also, it's the industry standard. And I'll let it go if people stop telling me it's ridiculous. Because it's not. When the issue comes up, I'm going to point this out.

Ok, but seriously I have to ask the question, why? You're saying he has to do it because most other head coaches do it? I would understand if he was doing something that required him to look nice, but he's coaching a sport, not conducting a business meeting. I know you think he's doing it because he's full of himself, but I just look at it as a comfort thing. I would prefer him to be comfortable while he's coaching. You should just be happy he hasn't gone full Huggins yet.

It is very ridiculous. I'm not saying him wearing what he has been doesn't look funny. I just don't care at all. Kind of like Keady's old hair.

You are probably right 212.
I considered Lavin's relaxed dress code a reflection of what I used to think was his lack of respect for and commitment to the university.  To me, it fit into a pattern.

I will grant you that that's probably an unfair generalization.   And by and large I think he's done a good job so far this year.
So he's probably earned the right not to hear shit from me about his wardrobe.

One of the silliest discussions to date. 

Desco, a more interesting topic, imo, would be what you describe as Lavin's "lack of respect for and commitment to the university."

It's funny because one of the reasons that I support Lavin (despite some of the many foibles that are discussed here) is because I have always perceived him as being committed to turning things around and bringing our basketball program back.

Quote from: simplyred on December 23, 2014, 04:22:10 PM

Bob Knight, Rick Majerus

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Bob Knight, Rick Majerus

Fair points Simplyred. There are exceptions. And of course this isn't the biggest transgression in the world, but it irks me. If Lavin keeps winning and keeps running a clean program, I can certainly learn to live with it. But Mike, I don't know why you assume that the University is OK with everything this coach does. That's just naive.

I'm not sure what you do, but if the president of my company has any issues with dress code at any level he will address it and that will be it. All this other bs you are talking about is laughable. But you never answered me does it bother you when the President of the United States doesn't wear a tie on tv?

Desco, a more interesting topic, imo, would be what you describe as Lavin's "lack of respect for and commitment to the university." It's funny because one of the reasons that I support Lavin (despite some of the many foibles that are discussed here) is because I have always perceived him as being committed to turning things around and bringing our basketball program back.

Lavin has never criticized the lack of SJU capabilities and only emphasis the great aspects of SJU. Maybe it's his salesmenship/ or his eternally optimistic attitude, he never complains about SJU.