Marcus Lovett hopeful to get cleared

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/st-johns-marcus-lovett-jr-may-be-eligible-earlier-than-expected/

Oh, how they tease us.

This would be great. Would also be tough to get our hopes up for the second time, for that reason I'm a little more confident.

Hypothetically what would his grades need to look like this semester to be cleared?

Hypothetically what would his grades need to look like this semester to be cleared?

I assume this is all speculation as to what the NCAA will deem high enough to give them a reason to reinstate without making their prior investigation and decision look obviously dumb.  I'd imagine anything 3.0 or better would get it done.  Below that who knows.

I think he could be a 5+ win difference for us this season. I think people are going to be even more impressed with Mussini with LoVett in the lineup. He won't have to force shots as much and will get more open looks.

Again,  is it worth it to lose a year of eligibility for a half season of games in a lost season?  The scholarship imbalance is already ridiculous with Yakwe playing. Do we really want to go through another 2 year rebuild in four years.  It's getting a little old.  This kid's height takes away the NBA as an option.

Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, Holifield, Mussini, and Lovett in one year?  A sacrifice has to be made somewhere to restore balance. 

Again,  is it worth it to lose a year of eligibility for a half season of games in a lost season?  The scholarship imbalance is already ridiculous with Yakwe playing. Do we really want to go through another 2 year rebuild in four years.  It's getting a little old.  This kid's height takes away the NBA as an option.

Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, Holifield, Mussini, and Lovett in one year?  A sacrifice has to be made somewhere to restore balance. 

It's really up to LoVett. If he's eligible and wants to play this season, Mullin should let him.

Marillac that stuff always has a way of working itself out.  Get the kid on the floor as he will grow more playing this year than sitting out.  And so will the other players.

Quote from: Marillac on December 09, 2015, 01:04:58 PM

Again,  is it worth it to lose a year of eligibility for a half season of games in a lost season?  The scholarship imbalance is already ridiculous with Yakwe playing. Do we really want to go through another 2 year rebuild in four years.  It's getting a little old.  This kid's height takes away the NBA as an option.

Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, Holifield, Mussini, and Lovett in one year?  A sacrifice has to be made somewhere to restore balance. 

It's really up to LoVett. If he's eligible and wants to play this season, Mullin should let him.

We don't have the available scholarships to mitigate the shitstorm we'll face in four years if Lovett plays the 2nd half.  And I disagree with your five extra wins.  This team is going to win three Big East games or so as it is and there is no way that Lovett brings them to a .500 Big East team.  Doug McDermott probably couldn't do that.

Again,  is it worth it to lose a year of eligibility for a half season of games in a lost season?  The scholarship imbalance is already ridiculous with Yakwe playing. Do we really want to go through another 2 year rebuild in four years.  It's getting a little old.  This kid's height takes away the NBA as an option.

Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, Holifield, Mussini, and Lovett in one year?  A sacrifice has to be made somewhere to restore balance. 

Yes.  It is worth it to have Lovett play serious minutes in 20 games in his freshman year.

6 kids in one class is challenging but not impossible.  Holified is a walk on and shouldn't count, and it is probable that at least 1 of the 6 scholarship players will not last all 4 years.  With 2-3 incoming freshman and a JUCO transfer next year, we have decent balance across classes.  The only consideration for me is that this might limit future incoming transfer opportunities. 

Again,  is it worth it to lose a year of eligibility for a half season of games in a lost season?  The scholarship imbalance is already ridiculous with Yakwe playing. Do we really want to go through another 2 year rebuild in four years.  It's getting a little old.  This kid's height takes away the NBA as an option.

Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, Holifield, Mussini, and Lovett in one year?  A sacrifice has to be made somewhere to restore balance. 

Lovett can make us "look" a lot closer to succeeding to potential recruits, it will give him more than half this season of game experience which will be valuable for next year, etc.  Holifield is not on scholarship, so dont even bother counting him.  6 man class.  If any of them leaves early or transfers, its less.  If Ellison's injury means he cant come back as soon as we'd like, he could be redshirted making it a 5 man class.  We have had worse balance before.

And how do you thinK Lovett takes it to be told he's sitting as the best player on the team when we are playing terribly...?  He didnt pick St. John's to sit out, thats for damn sure.

Marillac that stuff always has a way of working itself out.  Get the kid on the floor as he will grow more playing this year than sitting out.  And so will the other players.

When has it ever worked itself out for us?  Norm's 8-man class grew to ten.  We go through this every four years.  Losing three starters is devastating.   Losing 6-7 guys in one year and 10-11 in two years is ridiculous. 

Quote from: redstorm212 on December 09, 2015, 01:07:05 PM

Quote from: Marillac on December 09, 2015, 01:04:58 PM

Again,  is it worth it to lose a year of eligibility for a half season of games in a lost season?  The scholarship imbalance is already ridiculous with Yakwe playing. Do we really want to go through another 2 year rebuild in four years.  It's getting a little old.  This kid's height takes away the NBA as an option.

Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, Holifield, Mussini, and Lovett in one year?  A sacrifice has to be made somewhere to restore balance. 

It's really up to LoVett. If he's eligible and wants to play this season, Mullin should let him.

We don't have the available scholarships to mitigate the shitstorm we'll face in four years if Lovett plays the 2nd half.  And I disagree with your five extra wins.  This team is going to win three Big East games or so as it is and there is no way that Lovett brings them to a .500 Big East team.  Doug McDermott probably couldn't do that.

Sure we do.  We are probably talking about 5 scholarships to replace in that year.  Recruit 4 top freshman and a transfer.

Quote from: Marillac on December 09, 2015, 01:13:55 PM

Quote from: redstorm212 on December 09, 2015, 01:07:05 PM

Quote from: Marillac on December 09, 2015, 01:04:58 PM

Again,  is it worth it to lose a year of eligibility for a half season of games in a lost season?  The scholarship imbalance is already ridiculous with Yakwe playing. Do we really want to go through another 2 year rebuild in four years.  It's getting a little old.  This kid's height takes away the NBA as an option.

Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, Holifield, Mussini, and Lovett in one year?  A sacrifice has to be made somewhere to restore balance. 

It's really up to LoVett. If he's eligible and wants to play this season, Mullin should let him.

We don't have the available scholarships to mitigate the shitstorm we'll face in four years if Lovett plays the 2nd half.  And I disagree with your five extra wins.  This team is going to win three Big East games or so as it is and there is no way that Lovett brings them to a .500 Big East team.  Doug McDermott probably couldn't do that.

Sure we do.  We are probably talking about 5 scholarships to replace in that year.  Recruit 4 top freshman and a transfer.

Completely agree, Chud.  Here's the thing, Marillac, if class size is really as a huge an issue as you say, Lovett is not the guy to redshirt.  It's Ellison and his problematic foot.  So this shouldnt even be a discussion with respect to the BEST PLAYER IN THE CLASS and on the team!

Quote from: Marillac on December 09, 2015, 01:04:58 PM

Again,  is it worth it to lose a year of eligibility for a half season of games in a lost season?  The scholarship imbalance is already ridiculous with Yakwe playing. Do we really want to go through another 2 year rebuild in four years.  It's getting a little old.  This kid's height takes away the NBA as an option.

Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, Holifield, Mussini, and Lovett in one year?  A sacrifice has to be made somewhere to restore balance. 

Yes.  It is worth it to have Lovett play serious minutes in 20 games in his freshman year.

6 kids in one class is challenging but not impossible.  Holified is a walk on and shouldn't count, and it is probable that at least 1 of the 6 scholarship players will not last all 4 years.  With 2-3 incoming freshman and a JUCO transfer next year, we have decent balance across classes.  The only consideration for me is that this might limit future incoming transfer opportunities. 

Totally agree

Again,  is it worth it to lose a year of eligibility for a half season of games in a lost season?  The scholarship imbalance is already ridiculous with Yakwe playing. Do we really want to go through another 2 year rebuild in four years.  It's getting a little old.  This kid's height takes away the NBA as an option.

Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, Holifield, Mussini, and Lovett in one year?  A sacrifice has to be made somewhere to restore balance. 

You really Exocet all of those players to play all 4 years?

Quote from: Marillac on December 09, 2015, 01:04:58 PM

Again,  is it worth it to lose a year of eligibility for a half season of games in a lost season?  The scholarship imbalance is already ridiculous with Yakwe playing. Do we really want to go through another 2 year rebuild in four years.  It's getting a little old.  This kid's height takes away the NBA as an option.

Sima, Owens, Yakwe, Ellison, Holifield, Mussini, and Lovett in one year?  A sacrifice has to be made somewhere to restore balance. 

You really Exocet all of those players to play all 4 years?

Why wouldn't they?  All of Norm's guys did and they even added two players.
Lavin is gone...most stable programs only lose players to the NBA or lower players to transfer because they are not getting burn.  None of our guys project as NBA players right now and certainly not early entrants.  Sima could have a shot after four years.

Look at Butler and Xavier. 

I think he could be a 5+ win difference for us this season. I think people are going to be even more impressed with Mussini with LoVett in the lineup. He won't have to force shots as much and will get more open looks.

Lovett brining 5 more wins to the table in his true freshman year with this roster around him is completely insane. He's a very good player but he's not a Ben Simmons, Cheick Diallo or Briscoe.

Obviously he will make us better as we need a true PG and for Mussini to play off the ball but only the one and done NBA ready type players can have that type of impact in their freshman years.

Without Lovett we win 0 or 1 BE games this season. With him we MAYBE get to 2 or 3. 5 is ridiculous. I hope I'm wrong

When we are struggling to win ten games in four years just remember the only voice of reason. 

Quote from: redstorm212 on December 09, 2015, 12:48:40 PM

I think he could be a 5+ win difference for us this season. I think people are going to be even more impressed with Mussini with LoVett in the lineup. He won't have to force shots as much and will get more open looks.

Lovett brining 5 more wins to the table in his true freshman year with this roster around him is completely insane. He's a very good player but he's not a Ben Simmons, Cheick Diallo or Briscoe.

Obviously he will make us better as we need a true PG and for Mussini to play off the ball but only the one and done NBA ready type players can have that type of impact in their freshman years.

Without Lovett we win 0 or 1 BE games this season. With him we MAYBE get to 2 or 3. 5 is ridiculous. I hope I'm wrong

You can say it's insane but I don't think it is. I think he will open up a lot on offense, give much needed depth and rest for Mussini. I see us right now with 0-2 BE wins without him. I don't think 4-5 with LoVett is completely out of the question. And we still have games against Incarnate Word, and NJIT that we could easily lose, but have a good chance of winning with LoVett. We honestly do not have a single reliable ball handler on the team right now. Mussini is serviceable at being the primary handler but his handle is pretty average.