NJIT Game Thread

Quote from: cjfish on December 20, 2015, 04:10:42 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on December 20, 2015, 03:08:28 PM

If we get blown out by these shitty teams next year is Lavin still to blame?

with only 5% of production returning I blame this year totally on Lavin, next year only partially.  After that totally on Mullin but Im not worried.  Also, for you Norm haters, I give Lavins first and best year to Norm,, it was his team. 

The 5% returning is on St.John's University and it's on the new staff. You can't blame the fired staff because Brandon Sampson didn't want to come here after the University fired his staff, or because Obekpa and Jordan left. All we heard is how hard the new guys worked, and how much better their attitudes are. What a load of shit. I'll take Obekpa over Johnson. At least he played hard. M'vouika gets called for a foul, and every time it's the refs fault. Grow the F up. These losses are on the players and the coaches. They need to work harder, provided they even know what means.

Really? You can't be serious about calling Mvouika out for whining. Had you ever watched Jordan or Obekpa? Or Harrison his first two years?

As far as their coaching being better than ours today, there is definitely something to that, but I think mostly this boils down to a pretty significant mismatch. They were a team full of quick, good shooting guys. We are sort of slow. Plus they are all juniors and seniors that have been playing together for 3-4 years, we have new players and a new system. Lets lay off making judgements on the players and indictments on the coaching staffs effort and execution. At least for a few more weeks.

Thought the horse game was down in Maui between Mullin and Mitch? Why were the NJIT guards playing horse on our floor today? Don't any of our guards want to get out and cover anybody?

They were too busy dropping off to help cover down low, which they never seem to help much anyway. This is purely coaching and if they continue doing it they should be taken out of the game. It's getting hard to watch.

Thought the horse game was down in Maui between Mullin and Mitch? Why were the NJIT guards playing horse on our floor today? Don't any of our guards want to get out and cover anybody?

what's worse..these were nerd engineering majors who killed them.

This season should serve as a reminder to all about just how difficult it is for players to be good in their Freshman season. Only the elite can realistically be anything more than role players on a good team. That's why while Lovett would obviously make us better he'd still be a freshman and a winless BE season would still be a very real possibility, if not a probability

As an old timer, I am reminded of a Ray Milland movie--"The Lost Weekend".

The game against Excuse may be the highlight of the season.

If one looks back to the start of the year, you can't be too surprised by this.  It's just that after the cuse game our expectations have been raised, and the games are now less enjoyable to watch.  What ever happened to the one year pass.  I think they did not look as confident shooting the ball today, especially at the free throw line, but otherwise they did show improvement.  In fact if they hit their free throws they would have won.

Quote from: Poison on December 20, 2015, 04:47:20 PM

Quote from: cjfish on December 20, 2015, 04:10:42 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on December 20, 2015, 03:08:28 PM

If we get blown out by these shitty teams next year is Lavin still to blame?

with only 5% of production returning I blame this year totally on Lavin, next year only partially.  After that totally on Mullin but Im not worried.  Also, for you Norm haters, I give Lavins first and best year to Norm,, it was his team. 

The 5% returning is on St.John's University and it's on the new staff. You can't blame the fired staff because Brandon Sampson didn't want to come here after the University fired his staff, or because Obekpa and Jordan left. All we heard is how hard the new guys worked, and how much better their attitudes are. What a load of shit. I'll take Obekpa over Johnson. At least he played hard. M'vouika gets called for a foul, and every time it's the refs fault. Grow the F up. These losses are on the players and the coaches. They need to work harder, provided they even know what means.

Really? You can't be serious about calling Mvouika out for whining. Had you ever watched Jordan or Obekpa? Or Harrison his first two years?

As far as their coaching being better than ours today, there is definitely something to that, but I think mostly this boils down to a pretty significant mismatch. They were a team full of quick, good shooting guys. We are sort of slow. Plus they are all juniors and seniors that have been playing together for 3-4 years, we have new players and a new system. Lets lay off making judgements on the players and indictments on the coaching staffs effort and execution. At least for a few more weeks.

On one particular occasion, M'vouika was called for a stupid foul with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. It's one thing to give clueless freshman a pass, but guys like Johnson and M'vouika were brought here to be senior leaders, and these last two games, they haven't been.

Say what you want about Jordan and Obekpa, but they hustled on defense and they sure as shit never had to worry about losing to Incarnate Word or NJIT. I find it pathetic when STJ say shit like we're better off w out them. The hell we are.

Quote from: survivedc on December 20, 2015, 06:22:16 PM

Quote from: Poison on December 20, 2015, 04:47:20 PM

Quote from: cjfish on December 20, 2015, 04:10:42 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on December 20, 2015, 03:08:28 PM

If we get blown out by these shitty teams next year is Lavin still to blame?

with only 5% of production returning I blame this year totally on Lavin, next year only partially.  After that totally on Mullin but Im not worried.  Also, for you Norm haters, I give Lavins first and best year to Norm,, it was his team. 

The 5% returning is on St.John's University and it's on the new staff. You can't blame the fired staff because Brandon Sampson didn't want to come here after the University fired his staff, or because Obekpa and Jordan left. All we heard is how hard the new guys worked, and how much better their attitudes are. What a load of shit. I'll take Obekpa over Johnson. At least he played hard. M'vouika gets called for a foul, and every time it's the refs fault. Grow the F up. These losses are on the players and the coaches. They need to work harder, provided they even know what means.

Really? You can't be serious about calling Mvouika out for whining. Had you ever watched Jordan or Obekpa? Or Harrison his first two years?

As far as their coaching being better than ours today, there is definitely something to that, but I think mostly this boils down to a pretty significant mismatch. They were a team full of quick, good shooting guys. We are sort of slow. Plus they are all juniors and seniors that have been playing together for 3-4 years, we have new players and a new system. Lets lay off making judgements on the players and indictments on the coaching staffs effort and execution. At least for a few more weeks.

On one particular occasion, M'vouika was called for a stupid foul with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. It's one thing to give clueless freshman a pass, but guys like Johnson and M'vouika were brought here to be senior leaders, and these last two games, they haven't been.

Say what you want about Jordan and Obekpa, but they hustled on defense and they sure as shit never had to worry about losing to Incarnate Word or NJIT. I find it pathetic when STJ say shit like we're better off w out them. The hell we are.

Obekpa lost to the San Francisco and UNC Asheville. These guys are young, Obekpa is not someone you want mentoring them. The guy pulled himself from a win and we're in Big East Tournament game against Providence and got suspended on the eve of thee NCAA Tournament the next year. Sheed wouldn't have lasted a day during the season with this staff. Take the losses now and let them learn from experience, Things will get much better.

I'm far more concerned about the coaching staff than the players. The players are young and like I've said a thousand times, non-elite freshman can only be asked to be role players, and the freshmen on this team are being asked to do too much, but there is no other option. All of these kids will be solid four year players which this program has so desperately lacked over the past decade aside from two classes.

However, I am concerned that the staff has gotten severely outcoached these past two games, especially on the defensive end. No adjustments made when teams are lighting us up from the outside. Weak close outs by the guards and routinely being on different pages when it comes to whether to switch or not. I knew it would be a very tough season but this trend of giving up countless WIDE open threes game after game is very unsettling

I'm far more concerned about the coaching staff than the players. The players are young and like I've said a thousand times, non-elite freshman can only be asked to be role players, and the freshmen on this team are being asked to do too much, but there is no other option. All of these kids will be solid four year players which this program has so desperately lacked over the past decade aside from two classes.

However, I am concerned that the staff has gotten severely outcoached these past two games, especially on the defensive end. No adjustments made when teams are lighting us up from the outside. Weak close outs by the guards and routinely being on different pages when it comes to whether to switch or not. I knew it would be a very tough season but this trend of giving up countless WIDE open threes game after game is very unsettling

I agree. That's what it looks like. Our upperclassmen, Johnson, Jones and M'vouika are not playing like upperclassmen. Mullin needs to find another way to get through to them. What he's doing now clearly isn't working.

The offense was 24/70 (34%) from the field, 18-34 (53%) at the line and 8-32 (25%) from 3 today…! Ron and Durand were a combined 6/26. Mussini's 20 points were a mirage, bc outside of his mini hot streak from 3 shot 6-18. 

There are defensive lapses all over the court, and terrible closeouts, but when you shoot the way they have been over the past week it's hard to blame the coaches. If anything, Mullin's eternal green light, 'if you have an open shot, take it and let it fly' philosophy shouldn't be applied to the roster he has. But then again, without Felix or Marcus they don't have a primary ball handler to penetrate the lane or create shots for themselves or anyone else. They are one of the worst teams in the country in transition buckets, which is the polar opposite of the Lavin era, Marcus would instantly change that.

Not having Felix around has really hurt against these playmaking, heady guards. His athleticism and defensive prowess would've been dearly appreciated this weekend. Really hoping he heals before the Big East schedule and that Marcus can get the offense out of this funk sooner than later. Shooting is confidence and right now this team doesn't have any belief in themselves. The bench's body language from coaches to players was really deflating to watch these past two games. Getting their best player active would boost the morale and be the best Christmas present imaginable.

The offense was 24/70 (34%) from the field, 18-34 (53%) from 3, and 8-32 (25%) at the line today…! Ron and Durand were a combined 6/26. Mussini's 20 points were a mirage, bc outside of his mini hot streak from 3 shot 6-18. 

There are defensive lapses all over the court, and terrible closeouts, but when you shoot the way they have been over the past week it's hard to blame the coaches. If anything, Mullin's eternal green light, 'if you have an open shot, take it and let it fly' philosophy shouldn't be applied to the roster he has. But then again, without Felix or Marcus they don't have a primary ball handler to penetrate the lane or create shots for themselves or anyone else. They are one of the worst teams in the country in transition buckets, which is the polar opposite of the Lavin era, Marcus would instantly change that.

Not having Felix around has really hurt against these playmaking, heady guards. His athleticism and defensive prowess would've been dearly appreciated this weekend. Really hoping he heals before the Big East schedule and that Marcus can get the offense out of this funk sooner than later. Shooting is confidence and right now this team doesn't have any belief in themselves. The bench's body language from coaches to players was really deflating to watch these past two games. Getting their best player active would boost the morale and be the best Christmas present imaginable.

We may actually see Marcus play this year, but it's really time to stop hoping for a healthy Felix. The guy just can't stay healthy.

he'd still be a freshman and a winless BE season would still be a very real possibility, if not a probability

I know it was a depressing weekend but let's not get carried away.  We're not going 0 for the conference season.

That's why while Lovett would obviously make us better he'd still be a freshman and a winless BE season would still be a very real possibility, if not a probability

No offense, but this is completely ridiculous.  They already have wins over Rutgers and Syracuse, so to think they won't win a single Big East game in 18 attempts is just crazy. 

There was nobody on this roster to stop that 5'11 guard.  Lovett would have been the guy if cleared, Ponds would have eaten his lunch if this was 2016, but Mussini is what he is right now...savvy and fantastic on offense and below average on d.

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Sheed wouldn't have lasted a day during the season with this staff.

Completely disagree here...    if Sheed had a chance to be eligible, he would have stayed.

I think he would have thrived having guys from the NBA like Mullin & Richmond around him. He could have seen first hand what it takes to get to and succeed in the NBA. It's his own fault that is not playing this year.

From a purely basketball point of view...   Jordan is exactly the type of player this team needs. A veteran point guard who wanted to be the man on his team and was a good scorer. He would have completely changed the game on the court for this team.

Agree that Jordan would have certainly helped this team, but that's a complete fantasy.  Kid didn't have the discipline to do what he had to to be eligible.  Blew off 2nd semester classes and no-showed all finals.  Didn't matter who the coach was, he wasn't  playing any more college ball.  As for Obekpa, his shot blocking ability was phenomenal, but I was done with him when the seniors' NCAA chances went up in smoke because he pulled an Obekpa.

Disappointing week, but there's a long season left, and we have the team we have.  We'll win when we hit 3's and lose when we don't. As has been noted, the 'Cuse win was both a blessing and a curse, as it unrealistically raised expectations.  We shot great from deep, they killed themselves there, Hopkins stayed in their traditional 2-3 zone too long, and they didn't score for the last 3 minutes.  A lot of things had to happen the way they did for us to get that win.  We should certainly enjoy games like that but not expect them.

While it hurts to lose to schools history says we should beat, history ain't playing.   Team showed more intensity than against IW, controlled the boards, had only 10 turnovers, and took 22 more shots -- almost none of them went in, we sucked from the free throw line, they lit it up from deep, and we lost.

Have to get LoVett on the court soon; he can't save this season, but he solves a couple of really glaring problems and will make the other freshmen, who should be all we're worried about this year, way better.  Besides, I want to throw him into the Big East fire this season so that he doesn't have to be a freshman next year.  Although  they will be talented, we'll already have 3 new kids to get acclimated.

Gotta get Alkins

Gotta get Alkins

I don't think he's a must get, especially because he's already talking about leaving after one year. Ponds and Lovett in the backcourt works for me. Two guys who will stick around and get better each year.