Who Transfers?

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on March 22, 2016, 10:45:41 AM

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Quote from: Marillac on March 21, 2016, 10:14:45 PM

He looks like he's never seen a screen before in his life and his doesn't have the best lateral quickness. 

Compared to Fellini...he's Gary Payton.

The Mitten?

Well done Mase! Lol

Shouldn't that belong to GP, Jr.?

Quote from: Marillac on March 21, 2016, 10:14:45 PM

He looks like he's never seen a screen before in his life and his doesn't have the best lateral quickness. 

Compared to Fellini...he's Gary Payton.

Mussini now a shooting guard, so he won't guard bigger guys now instead of quicker guys

Quote from: Poison on March 21, 2016, 10:05:54 PM

Quote from: WillieG on March 21, 2016, 09:53:02 PM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on March 21, 2016, 09:33:32 PM

Rumblings that Jon Severe might be graduating early from Fordham and looking to leave. His shooting percentages skyrocketed last year when he wasn't asked to do it all. Wonder if we'd have any interest.

They'll have no interest. We need another wing (Ellison can't be asked to shoulder too much) and/or a big with strength.

I think Ellison has more potential as a swing man than he does as a point guard. He's still got always to go before he's a legit BE player. What the team's needs is another point guard.

Ellison can't guard the PG position, so he'll never be a point guard.  He might be a point-forward type of player, but if he's defending PG's then something went terribly wrong.  He looks like he's never seen a screen before in his life and his doesn't have the best lateral quickness.

Guys, the point was that we need another wing.  Not another point guard. You need to have two wings defensively in most conference games at some point.  Hopefully, sometimes, we will be able to impose our style of play on other teams by going with Ponds and Lovett at the same time.  If they're good enough they will be able to create matchup problems with a lot of teams.  But in some other games, we will need to go with two wings, defensively.

I don't think Ellison can shoulder too much burden there.  You can't rely too much on him.  He missed so much time before he got here and he missed a lot of time with his foot injury this past season. (just when he was starting to develop) He seems to be brittle, which is another reason you don't want to rely too much on him.

Quote from: Marillac on March 21, 2016, 10:14:45 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 21, 2016, 10:05:54 PM

Quote from: WillieG on March 21, 2016, 09:53:02 PM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on March 21, 2016, 09:33:32 PM

Rumblings that Jon Severe might be graduating early from Fordham and looking to leave. His shooting percentages skyrocketed last year when he wasn't asked to do it all. Wonder if we'd have any interest.

They'll have no interest. We need another wing (Ellison can't be asked to shoulder too much) and/or a big with strength.

I think Ellison has more potential as a swing man than he does as a point guard. He's still got always to go before he's a legit BE player. What the team's needs is another point guard.

Ellison can't guard the PG position, so he'll never be a point guard.  He might be a point-forward type of player, but if he's defending PG's then something went terribly wrong.  He looks like he's never seen a screen before in his life and his doesn't have the best lateral quickness.

Guys, the point was that we need another wing.  Not another point guard. You need to have two wings defensively in most conference games at some point.  Hopefully, sometimes, we will be able to impose our style on other teams by going with Ponds and Lovett at the same time.  If they're good enough they will be able to create matchup problems with a lot of teams.  But in some games we will need to go with two wings, defensively.

I don't think Ellison can shoulder too much burden there.  You can't rely too much on him.  He missed so much time before he got here and he missed a lot of time with his foot injury this past season. (just when he was starting to develop) He seems to be brittle, which is another reason you don't want to rely too much on him.

We have one point guard with Lovett, and a half dozen guys who can play the 3. We need an experienced lead guard. If we sign a wing, that would be puzzling.

Quote from: WillieG on March 22, 2016, 10:21:36 PM

Quote from: Marillac on March 21, 2016, 10:14:45 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 21, 2016, 10:05:54 PM

Quote from: WillieG on March 21, 2016, 09:53:02 PM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on March 21, 2016, 09:33:32 PM

Rumblings that Jon Severe might be graduating early from Fordham and looking to leave. His shooting percentages skyrocketed last year when he wasn't asked to do it all. Wonder if we'd have any interest.

They'll have no interest. We need another wing (Ellison can't be asked to shoulder too much) and/or a big with strength.

I think Ellison has more potential as a swing man than he does as a point guard. He's still got always to go before he's a legit BE player. What the team's needs is another point guard.

Ellison can't guard the PG position, so he'll never be a point guard.  He might be a point-forward type of player, but if he's defending PG's then something went terribly wrong.  He looks like he's never seen a screen before in his life and his doesn't have the best lateral quickness.

Guys, the point was that we need another wing.  Not another point guard. You need to have two wings defensively in most conference games at some point.  Hopefully, sometimes, we will be able to impose our style on other teams by going with Ponds and Lovett at the same time.  If they're good enough they will be able to create matchup problems with a lot of teams.  But in some games we will need to go with two wings, defensively.

I don't think Ellison can shoulder too much burden there.  You can't rely too much on him.  He missed so much time before he got here and he missed a lot of time with his foot injury this past season. (just when he was starting to develop) He seems to be brittle, which is another reason you don't want to rely too much on him.

We have one point guard with Lovett, and a half dozen guys who can play the 3. We need an experienced lead guard. If we sign a wing, that would be puzzling.

I don't agree, Poison. We have Mussini and Ponds who could fill in at the point in a pinch.  Ellison even filled in some at point this year. Quite a bit actually. That's three guys who could play the point besides Lovett.  I think it would be puzzling if we signed another point. So I don't agree with you there.

Now who are our wings?  Ahmed, and Ellison, who is injury prone.  That's more of a need then another point. Unless you are talking about Freudenberg at the wing.  He is 6'9 or 6'10.  See him more as a stretch four.  Don't see him guarding BE wings.  You have to defend the wing positions.  Don't tell me you have CJ as a wing.  We don't have six people who can defend at those positions.  Who are the half dozen players you speak of?

Quote from: Poison on March 22, 2016, 10:37:39 PM

Quote from: WillieG on March 22, 2016, 10:21:36 PM

Quote from: Marillac on March 21, 2016, 10:14:45 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 21, 2016, 10:05:54 PM

Quote from: WillieG on March 21, 2016, 09:53:02 PM

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on March 21, 2016, 09:33:32 PM

Rumblings that Jon Severe might be graduating early from Fordham and looking to leave. His shooting percentages skyrocketed last year when he wasn't asked to do it all. Wonder if we'd have any interest.

They'll have no interest. We need another wing (Ellison can't be asked to shoulder too much) and/or a big with strength.

I think Ellison has more potential as a swing man than he does as a point guard. He's still got always to go before he's a legit BE player. What the team's needs is another point guard.

Ellison can't guard the PG position, so he'll never be a point guard.  He might be a point-forward type of player, but if he's defending PG's then something went terribly wrong.  He looks like he's never seen a screen before in his life and his doesn't have the best lateral quickness.

Guys, the point was that we need another wing.  Not another point guard. You need to have two wings defensively in most conference games at some point.  Hopefully, sometimes, we will be able to impose our style on other teams by going with Ponds and Lovett at the same time.  If they're good enough they will be able to create matchup problems with a lot of teams.  But in some games we will need to go with two wings, defensively.

I don't think Ellison can shoulder too much burden there.  You can't rely too much on him.  He missed so much time before he got here and he missed a lot of time with his foot injury this past season. (just when he was starting to develop) He seems to be brittle, which is another reason you don't want to rely too much on him.

We have one point guard with Lovett, and a half dozen guys who can play the 3. We need an experienced lead guard. If we sign a wing, that would be puzzling.

I don't agree, Poison. We have Mussini and Ponds who could fill in at the point in a pinch.  Ellison even filled in some at point this year. Quite a bit actually. That's three guys who could play the point besides Lovett.  I think it would be puzzling if we signed another point. So I don't agree with you there.

Now who are our wings?  Ahmed, and Ellison, who is injury prone.  That's more of a need then another point. Unless you are talking about Freudenberg at the wing.  He is 6'9 or 6'10.  See him more as a stretch four.  Don't see him guarding BE wings.  You have to defend the wing positions.  Don't tell me you have CJ as a wing.  We don't have six people who can defend at those positions.  Who are the half dozen players you speak of?

I don't think we can count on Mussini to run the point. He may improve in some areas, but right now, he's not a point guard. Ellison is stronger and quicker than Mussini, but he's not a point guard either. Our best bet with the is to have Mussini become what Max Hooper this season, and Ellison round out his game ala DJ Kennedy.

We don't know if Ponds can run the offense. He's a 2 guard. Some of this depends on whether or not any of our players transfer out.

What it might come down to is, "at what position can we find the best player".  If we get a good player at the point, maybe just take him.  If we get a good wing then take him. Same thing for a good big man.  But I really think our number one need is at the wing positions. (Mussini, especially if he improves, will be capable of handling a few minutes a half filling in at the point, as will Ellison and probably Ponds.  So I think we will be OK there) Then a strong big man with some offensive potential.  I think the guy from Ark St. would actually be a good get for us.

What it might come down to is, "at what position can we find the best player".  If we get a good player at the point, maybe just take him.  If we get a good wing then take him. Same thing for a good big man.  But I really think our number one need is at the wing positions. (Mussini, especially if he improves, will be capable of handling a few minutes a half filling in at the point, as will Ellison and probably Ponds.  So I think we will be OK there) Then a strong big man with some offensive potential.  I think the guy from Ark St. would actually be a good get for us.

I really think every BE team needs at least 2 legit point guards. If LoVett should sits in his knee, his ankle or whatever, they are going to start Ellison the point again, and get destroyed by DePaul. The staff was handicapped because of time and players asking out of their LOI, but now they have time to make careful well thought out decisions. Out of Ellison, Ahmed, Alibegovic, Freudenberg and Jones, if we can't find 2/3 guys who can play the 3, then we don't need all of them on our team.

We couldn't dribble the ball this year, so IMO, they need to add a guy who can break the press. Grad student, juco, freshman, I don't care, but they need someone else other than Lovett. Can't take that chance again. That would be a terrible blow to the season if anything happened to Lovett, and because this is St.John's, we know it's always right around the corner. But the thing is, it's about more than just a capable ball handler. They need leadership. There is none now. Absolutely none. Grad students weren't able to do much with this crew, but that's because they weren't able to or didn't want to lead by example. If we could snag a grad student like Anthony Collins, a guy who knows how to run an offense, we'd be golden.

Since we screwed ourselves with recruits this year, it would be great to make up for it this year. Hopefully Calipari goes to UK and it starts a chain reaction of coaching moving around, and 18 year olds thinking they couldn't possibly go to the same school now that the coach is gone.

Um....Ponds?

Quote from: WillieG on March 22, 2016, 11:28:26 PM

What it might come down to is, "at what position can we find the best player".  If we get a good player at the point, maybe just take him.  If we get a good wing then take him. Same thing for a good big man.  But I really think our number one need is at the wing positions. (Mussini, especially if he improves, will be capable of handling a few minutes a half filling in at the point, as will Ellison and probably Ponds.  So I think we will be OK there) Then a strong big man with some offensive potential.  I think the guy from Ark St. would actually be a good get for us.

I really think every BE team needs at least 2 legit point guards. If LoVett should sits in his knee, his ankle or whatever, they are going to start Ellison the point again, and get destroyed by DePaul. The staff was handicapped because of time and players asking out of their LOI, but now they have time to make careful well thought out decisions. Out of Ellison, Ahmed, Alibegovic, Freudenberg and Jones, if we can't find 2/3 guys who can play the 3, then we don't need all of them on our team.

We couldn't dribble the ball this year, so IMO, they need to add a guy who can break the press. Grad student, juco, freshman, I don't care, but they need someone else other than Lovett. Can't take that chance again. That would be a terrible blow to the season if anything happened to Lovett, and because this is St.John's, we know it's always right around the corner. But the thing is, it's about more than just a capable ball handler. They need leadership. There is none now. Absolutely none. Grad students weren't able to do much with this crew, but that's because they weren't able to or didn't want to lead by example. If we could snag a grad student like Anthony Collins, a guy who knows how to run an offense, we'd be golden.

Since we screwed ourselves with recruits this year, it would be great to make up for it this year. Hopefully Calipari goes to UK and it starts a chain reaction of coaching moving around, and 18 year olds thinking they couldn't possibly go to the same school now that the coach is gone.

I agree that a steady backup PG is one of two remaining needs (ferocious rebounder being the other).

You must be the only person who thinks that landing Lovett Mussini Ellison Yakwe Owens Sima in 4 months represents "screw[ing] ourselves" with recruits.  That's at worst a solid foundation that now has Ponds Ahmed and Freudenberg to bolster it.

Um....Ponds?

Poison isn't reasonable, JayJay.  Just let him rant.  We need to control any and all optimism, but by all means let negativity run rampant and unchecked.

If everyone is healthy and qualified, we are as set at PG as we have ever been since I was a fan.  Ponds can get to the basket on just about anyone and has the type of game and control that usually translates to relatively quick success in college.  Mussini has 30 games of 30 minutes of running the show while being the biggest (only?) scoring threat.  He'll be a huge asset.  Lovett is a phenom.  Now it's up to the coach to develop the games, bodies, and minds of these kids so they can be successful on the court. 

I don't comment at length often but.....it seems to me that most of the posters have never taken a shot in a hi level competitive game and are not qualified to comment /  Next year we have 4 guys who can play rhe point, Lovett, ponds, Ellison and mussini are solid guards and ponds has the tools to be great.  the wings should be ok with freudenberg and the jc kid.  With Alignovicovich and  cj we have guys who can bound and hack.  Simi and Yakwe should be above average at the least..  It Amounts to a solid team which should play close to 500 ball in the league at the least.  We need an animal or two to bound and hit people but with todays pussy rules I may be living in the past. 

Mussini and Ellison running the point made Derek Brown look like Kenny Anderson. You guys self-medicating?

Quote from: Poison on March 23, 2016, 01:13:09 AM

Quote from: WillieG on March 22, 2016, 11:28:26 PM

What it might come down to is, "at what position can we find the best player".  If we get a good player at the point, maybe just take him.  If we get a good wing then take him. Same thing for a good big man.  But I really think our number one need is at the wing positions. (Mussini, especially if he improves, will be capable of handling a few minutes a half filling in at the point, as will Ellison and probably Ponds.  So I think we will be OK there) Then a strong big man with some offensive potential.  I think the guy from Ark St. would actually be a good get for us.

I really think every BE team needs at least 2 legit point guards. If LoVett should sits in his knee, his ankle or whatever, they are going to start Ellison the point again, and get destroyed by DePaul. The staff was handicapped because of time and players asking out of their LOI, but now they have time to make careful well thought out decisions. Out of Ellison, Ahmed, Alibegovic, Freudenberg and Jones, if we can't find 2/3 guys who can play the 3, then we don't need all of them on our team.

We couldn't dribble the ball this year, so IMO, they need to add a guy who can break the press. Grad student, juco, freshman, I don't care, but they need someone else other than Lovett. Can't take that chance again. That would be a terrible blow to the season if anything happened to Lovett, and because this is St.John's, we know it's always right around the corner. But the thing is, it's about more than just a capable ball handler. They need leadership. There is none now. Absolutely none. Grad students weren't able to do much with this crew, but that's because they weren't able to or didn't want to lead by example. If we could snag a grad student like Anthony Collins, a guy who knows how to run an offense, we'd be golden.

Since we screwed ourselves with recruits this year, it would be great to make up for it this year. Hopefully Calipari goes to UK and it starts a chain reaction of coaching moving around, and 18 year olds thinking they couldn't possibly go to the same school now that the coach is gone.

I agree that a steady backup PG is one of two remaining needs (ferocious rebounder being the other).

You must be the only person who thinks that landing Lovett Mussini Ellison Yakwe Owens Sima in 4 months represents "screw[ing] ourselves" with recruits.  That's at worst a solid foundation that now has Ponds Ahmed and Freudenberg to bolster it.

In regards to screwing ourselves with recruits, I was speaking only about Brandon Sampson who was allowed to back out of his LOI. Should the coaching carrousel continue, I'm hoping that last year's misfortune, could be an opportunity this year. Especially since there are no upperclassmen with leadership experience. Something that is being overlooked.

Quote from: JayJay on March 23, 2016, 09:42:17 AM

Um....Ponds?

Poison isn't reasonable, JayJay.  Just let him rant.  We need to control any and all optimism, but by all means let negativity run rampant and unchecked.

If everyone is healthy and qualified, we are as set at PG as we have ever been since I was a fan.  Ponds can get to the basket on just about anyone and has the type of game and control that usually translates to relatively quick success in college.  Mussini has 30 games of 30 minutes of running the show while being the biggest (only?) scoring threat.  He'll be a huge asset.  Lovett is a phenom.  Now it's up to the coach to develop the games, bodies, and minds of these kids so they can be successful on the court. 

You say my name in every other post. It's a wonderful compliment.

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 23, 2016, 10:05:45 AM

Quote from: Poison on March 23, 2016, 01:13:09 AM

Quote from: WillieG on March 22, 2016, 11:28:26 PM

What it might come down to is, "at what position can we find the best player".  If we get a good player at the point, maybe just take him.  If we get a good wing then take him. Same thing for a good big man.  But I really think our number one need is at the wing positions. (Mussini, especially if he improves, will be capable of handling a few minutes a half filling in at the point, as will Ellison and probably Ponds.  So I think we will be OK there) Then a strong big man with some offensive potential.  I think the guy from Ark St. would actually be a good get for us.

I really think every BE team needs at least 2 legit point guards. If LoVett should sits in his knee, his ankle or whatever, they are going to start Ellison the point again, and get destroyed by DePaul. The staff was handicapped because of time and players asking out of their LOI, but now they have time to make careful well thought out decisions. Out of Ellison, Ahmed, Alibegovic, Freudenberg and Jones, if we can't find 2/3 guys who can play the 3, then we don't need all of them on our team.

We couldn't dribble the ball this year, so IMO, they need to add a guy who can break the press. Grad student, juco, freshman, I don't care, but they need someone else other than Lovett. Can't take that chance again. That would be a terrible blow to the season if anything happened to Lovett, and because this is St.John's, we know it's always right around the corner. But the thing is, it's about more than just a capable ball handler. They need leadership. There is none now. Absolutely none. Grad students weren't able to do much with this crew, but that's because they weren't able to or didn't want to lead by example. If we could snag a grad student like Anthony Collins, a guy who knows how to run an offense, we'd be golden.

Since we screwed ourselves with recruits this year, it would be great to make up for it this year. Hopefully Calipari goes to UK and it starts a chain reaction of coaching moving around, and 18 year olds thinking they couldn't possibly go to the same school now that the coach is gone.

I agree that a steady backup PG is one of two remaining needs (ferocious rebounder being the other).

You must be the only person who thinks that landing Lovett Mussini Ellison Yakwe Owens Sima in 4 months represents "screw[ing] ourselves" with recruits.  That's at worst a solid foundation that now has Ponds Ahmed and Freudenberg to bolster it.

In regards to screwing ourselves with recruits, I was speaking only about Brandon Sampson who was allowed to back out of his LOI. Should the coaching carrousel continue, I'm hoping that last year's misfortune, could be an opportunity this year. Especially since there are no upperclassmen with leadership experience. Something that is being overlooked.

You sure about that one Poison?

Mussini and Ellison running the point made Derek Brown look like Kenny Anderson. You guys self-medicating?

I agree with that. Did you guys watch any of the games this season?

Please don't mention Ellison as a PG option ever again. He's lucky to even have a reserve role on this team. He has a LONG way to go to develop into a solid BE player. PG? Never. Wing is his best position for now but he needs to get more confident, quicker and stop playing so timid.

Please don't mention Ellison as a PG option ever again. He's lucky to even have a reserve role on this team. He has a LONG way to go to develop into a solid BE player. PG? Never. Wing is his best position for now but he needs to get more confident, quicker and stop playing so timid.

I actually thought he progressed a ton by the end of the season.  Definitely not a natural point guard, but with another year of development, I could see him there.  Shocking because he could barely demonstrate a single basketball skill in the non conference schedule.

Quote from: Johnny23 on March 24, 2016, 08:17:22 AM

Please don't mention Ellison as a PG option ever again. He's lucky to even have a reserve role on this team. He has a LONG way to go to develop into a solid BE player. PG? Never. Wing is his best position for now but he needs to get more confident, quicker and stop playing so timid.

I actually thought he progressed a ton by the end of the season.  Definitely not a natural point guard, but with another year of development, I could see him there.  Shocking because he could barely demonstrate a single basketball skill in the non conference schedule.

If he winds up doing any more "developing"  at pg next year we'll be in a heap of trouble.