6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Marco Baldi on March 15, 2014, 08:34:43 AM
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What will change? Where are the recruits?
1 NCAA appearance with Norms players.
Lavin can recruit but can't do anything with the talent.
Player after player taking weeks off in the middle of the season for questionable reasons
Where is Felix?
Obekpa regressing and talking about the D league
Starting little used walk on in crucial games
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Year 4 of rebuild from norm disaster - 1 NCAA appearance, 2 NIT. Those results get lavin an extension, in my opinion. He has met the expectations I had for what a good coach would do with this program as of 4 years ago. Of course, I had higher expectations at the beginning of this year (and I'm very disappointed), but those expectations were solely the result of the players lavin has brought in and the flashes he has shown coaching, so I can't hold that against him.
Now, over the next 4 years I expect more. I think no less than 2 NCAA appearances, 1 nit/bubble, and at least a sweet sixteen.
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What will change? Where are the recruits?
1 NCAA appearance with Norms players.
Lavin can recruit but can't do anything with the talent.
Player after player taking weeks off in the middle of the season for questionable reasons
Where is Felix?
Obekpa regressing and talking about the D league
Starting little used walk on in crucial games
All Lavin is good at is recruiting. Without a contract he can't recruit. So they either have to extend him or fire him. Firing him would be a PR disaster. Much better that he makes the tournament next year and rides off into the sunset on his own terms. Of course in his case to ride off into the sunset he'll head due south and drown in Jamaica Bay. Poor Tony Chiles will be harpooned off Rockaway by a passing Japanese whaler. Only Keady will survive by using his toupee as a flotation device.
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What will change? Where are the recruits?
1 NCAA appearance with Norms players.
Lavin can recruit but can't do anything with the talent.
Player after player taking weeks off in the middle of the season for questionable reasons
Where is Felix?
Obekpa regressing and talking about the D league
Starting little used walk on in crucial games
All Lavin is good at is recruiting. Without a contract he can't recruit. So they either have to extend him or fire him. Firing him would be a PR disaster. Much better that he makes the tournament next year and rides off into the sunset on his own terms. Of course in his case to ride off into the sunset he'll head due south and drown in Jamaica Bay. Poor Tony Chiles will be harpooned off Rockaway by a passing Japanese whaler. Only Keady will survive by using his toupee as a flotation device.
And where are the recruits?
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I would not be against a short extention. 5/6 years is STUPID!!
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I would not be against a short extention. 5/6 years is STUPID!!
Depends on the buy out.
For recruiting I would think any 2015 recruit would like to know that Lavin is under contract until 2019.
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What will change? Where are the recruits?
1 NCAA appearance with Norms players.
Lavin can recruit but can't do anything with the talent.
Player after player taking weeks off in the middle of the season for questionable reasons
Where is Felix?
Obekpa regressing and talking about the D league
Starting little used walk on in crucial games
All Lavin is good at is recruiting. Without a contract he can't recruit. So they either have to extend him or fire him. Firing him would be a PR disaster. Much better that he makes the tournament next year and rides off into the sunset on his own terms. Of course in his case to ride off into the sunset he'll head due south and drown in Jamaica Bay. Poor Tony Chiles will be harpooned off Rockaway by a passing Japanese whaler. Only Keady will survive by using his toupee as a flotation device.
And where are the recruits?
1.Recruits are not here yet...He has sign players late before.
2. If SJU is going to fire him tell me a realistic candidate to replace him? Another fired coach does not help the program and it continue yes the stereotype of where coaches careers cone to die. Everybody wants stability to the program, but getting rid of Lavin just makes things worse, your not only going to replace the coach but the entire staff and then how many players will transfer and recruits we will lose?
3. The team is getting better and so our the recruits. One of the biggest challenges is balancing out the team where you don't have 10+ kids graduating (kids graduating is a good thing not just at the same time). Also when you have a balance class you can focus more on the type of player needed instead of getting what you can get. Polee's family really wasn't thrilled that he went East and with a big class it is not surprising he left.
4. Despite all the drama nothing illegal has happened and the kids that staying will graduate. The kids that left were for personal reasons not something shady.
5. The team is going on year 4 but year 3 with Lavin's kids... This is a disappointing year without a doubt but not a back breaking year has people think it is...we improved on wins and actually controlled our destiny shooting 50% from the line is a joke... Expecting Harrison to get a call on that 3pt shot is like the Spurs getting the call in game 6. It was a bad shot selection and Harrison needed a bailout. If we miss the NCAA next year then we have plateaued
Lavin needs an extension because he is the best we have right now and not giving him one only handcuffs the program ultimately. He needs a year without drama and needs toke the NCAA next year. Scheduling a tougher OOC would help. I would say only a 3-4yr with an option for an additional 1yr.
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People always think the grass is greener, all we need is a new coach.
Give Lavin time to build St John's up give us some stability. Always remember you will never know how close we are to success if we give up. Keep the faith!!!!
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The question I ask is how good of an xo guy is Whitesill? I don't think Lavin is that good. What is the opinion of this board.? Would we be better off replacing him ((Whitesill) w an expert like a Dunlap?
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The question I ask is how good of an xo guy is Whitesill? I don't think Lavin is that good. What is the opinion of this board.? Would we be better off replacing him ((Whitesill) w an expert like a Dunlap?
The play and results of this year's team tell you all you need to know about Whitesell. He is not a master in game tactician, hell noone even knows who he is. He was some no name D2 or D3 coach before he came here. He's easily replaceable. The real question is will Lavin and the SJU admin open the wallet to bring in a big name asst coach? Not sure Lavin's ego can deal with it and not sure this admin will spend any big $$ to bring in a proven top bench coach.
Yes this team would be considerably better if they had a true bench coach who was great at making in game adjustments and had a true handle of offensive 5 man basketball. Lavin is clueless in these areas as well as all other aspects of coaching. Good recruiter who better get some 2014 guys as lots of the top guys are already off the board.
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What will change? Where are the recruits?
1 NCAA appearance with Norms players.
Lavin can recruit but can't do anything with the talent.
Player after player taking weeks off in the middle of the season for questionable reasons
Where is Felix?
Obekpa regressing and talking about the D league
Starting little used walk on in crucial games
All Lavin is good at is recruiting. Without a contract he can't recruit. So they either have to extend him or fire him. Firing him would be a PR disaster. Much better that he makes the tournament next year and rides off into the sunset on his own terms. Of course in his case to ride off into the sunset he'll head due south and drown in Jamaica Bay. Poor Tony Chiles will be harpooned off Rockaway by a passing Japanese whaler. Only Keady will survive by using his toupee as a flotation device.
And where are the recruits?
1.Recruits are not here yet...He has sign players late before.
2. If SJU is going to fire him tell me a realistic candidate to replace him? Another fired coach does not help the program and it continue yes the stereotype of where coaches careers cone to die. Everybody wants stability to the program, but getting rid of Lavin just makes things worse, your not only going to replace the coach but the entire staff and then how many players will transfer and recruits we will lose?
3. The team is getting better and so our the recruits. One of the biggest challenges is balancing out the team where you don't have 10+ kids graduating (kids graduating is a good thing not just at the same time). Also when you have a balance class you can focus more on the type of player needed instead of getting what you can get. Polee's family really wasn't thrilled that he went East and with a big class it is not surprising he left.
4. Despite all the drama nothing illegal has happened and the kids that staying will graduate. The kids that left were for personal reasons not something shady.
5. The team is going on year 4 but year 3 with Lavin's kids... This is a disappointing year without a doubt but not a back breaking year has people think it is...we improved on wins and actually controlled our destiny shooting 50% from the line is a joke... Expecting Harrison to get a call on that 3pt shot is like the Spurs getting the call in game 6. It was a bad shot selection and Harrison needed a bailout. If we miss the NCAA next year then we have plateaued
Lavin needs an extension because he is the best we have right now and not giving him one only handcuffs the program ultimately. He needs a year without drama and needs toke the NCAA next year. Scheduling a tougher OOC would help. I would say only a 3-4yr with an option for an additional 1yr.
Boom. It is why fans are not administrators, they love to spend other people's money and make decisions as if what they say is as easy as snapping your fingers. I agree that not making the NCAAs was a failure. But stop acting like it is a complete disaster because that is not fair either. SJU will have gone to 3 post seasons in 4 years under Lavin with next year set to be really good.
Should we be further along? Yes. But that is not the same as failure.
And look at this long distinguished list of MAAC coaches: Lappas, Fran, Gonzo, Welsh, Orr, McCaffrey and Willard.
Most of them have been fired already in many cases multiple times. Some have had some success but even the "successful" ones have hardly set the world on fire. McCaffrey is in just 4th year and is poised to go to the NCAAs finally but they are in the midst of a complete collapse here late losing 5 of 6.
There is zero guarantee Massiello would have SJU in a better spot then Lavin.
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What will change? Where are the recruits?
1 NCAA appearance with Norms players.
Lavin can recruit but can't do anything with the talent.
Player after player taking weeks off in the middle of the season for questionable reasons
Where is Felix?
Obekpa regressing and talking about the D league
Starting little used walk on in crucial games
All Lavin is good at is recruiting. Without a contract he can't recruit. So they either have to extend him or fire him. Firing him would be a PR disaster. Much better that he makes the tournament next year and rides off into the sunset on his own terms. Of course in his case to ride off into the sunset he'll head due south and drown in Jamaica Bay. Poor Tony Chiles will be harpooned off Rockaway by a passing Japanese whaler. Only Keady will survive by using his toupee as a flotation device.
And where are the recruits?
1.Recruits are not here yet...He has sign players late before.
2. If SJU is going to fire him tell me a realistic candidate to replace him? Another fired coach does not help the program and it continue yes the stereotype of where coaches careers cone to die. Everybody wants stability to the program, but getting rid of Lavin just makes things worse, your not only going to replace the coach but the entire staff and then how many players will transfer and recruits we will lose?
3. The team is getting better and so our the recruits. One of the biggest challenges is balancing out the team where you don't have 10+ kids graduating (kids graduating is a good thing not just at the same time). Also when you have a balance class you can focus more on the type of player needed instead of getting what you can get. Polee's family really wasn't thrilled that he went East and with a big class it is not surprising he left.
4. Despite all the drama nothing illegal has happened and the kids that staying will graduate. The kids that left were for personal reasons not something shady.
5. The team is going on year 4 but year 3 with Lavin's kids... This is a disappointing year without a doubt but not a back breaking year has people think it is...we improved on wins and actually controlled our destiny shooting 50% from the line is a joke... Expecting Harrison to get a call on that 3pt shot is like the Spurs getting the call in game 6. It was a bad shot selection and Harrison needed a bailout. If we miss the NCAA next year then we have plateaued
Lavin needs an extension because he is the best we have right now and not giving him one only handcuffs the program ultimately. He needs a year without drama and needs toke the NCAA next year. Scheduling a tougher OOC would help. I would say only a 3-4yr with an option for an additional 1yr.
Great post
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Go look at Mick Cronin's first 4 years at Cincy. No NCAAs and a 15 loss season where they needed a late surge with Lance just to make his first NIT. And no winning conference seasons.
Look at McCaffrey at Siena. 3 straight regular season and Tourney titles an NCAA win over Ohio St and even brief appearances his last year in the top 25 as a MAAC school.
How has that translated to the B10? His last two seasons at 9-9 are his best in 4 years? You want him fired?
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well they almost recruit as well as Cooley and his assistants and almost coach as well based on recent results.....
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Lavin should be extended. Continuity is the most important thing. That said, I'm extremely dismayed about our recruiting prospects for this 14' class. Looks at face value like we missed out. Are there any real prospects of us landing some impact guys? If not, we seem doomed to underachieve once again next year with more bricklaying and teams packing it in. We need some real recruits to fill the gaps where we have them, otherwise next year we won't be any better.
My biggest bone of contention is our lack of recruiting results right now at a critical time. We can be very good next year, but as of now have addressed ZERO of our problem areas and there aren't impact players on the board to do so. While I have faith in Lavin as a recruiter, I still have a hard time seeing where we are going to land the pieces we need to take a step forward. Maybe somebody can shed some light. Replacing Sanchez won't be easy, despite the jabs taken at him during the season. He was a tough matchup as a big forward.
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Its really lavins 2nd year coaching his new players. I think we will consistently make the NCAA's going forward..give him the extension. This school has no other options at this point. At the very least he is an outstanding recruiter and has consistently proven that. Talented recruits alone is enough to extend him...
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Wouldn't some JUCO players help fill the void and provide a nice transition to a big 15 class provided that the JUCO players can play 2years. Also provided that no one leaves the program. It seems that JUCO players are not covered as well as HS players going to college, there defiantly are some diamonds in the rough.
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well they almost recruit as well as Cooley and his assistants and almost coach as well based on recent results.....
Who woke you up? Oh yeah, your brother Edward!
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The question I ask is how good of an xo guy is Whitesill? I don't think Lavin is that good. What is the opinion of this board.? Would we be better off replacing him ((Whitesill) w an expert like a Dunlap?
The play and results of this year's team tell you all you need to know about Whitesell. He is not a master in game tactician, hell noone even knows who he is. He was some no name D2 or D3 coach before he came here. He's easily replaceable. The real question is will Lavin and the SJU admin open the wallet to bring in a big name asst coach? Not sure Lavin's ego can deal with it and not sure this admin will spend any big $$ to bring in a proven top bench coach.
Yes this team would be considerably better if they had a true bench coach who was great at making in game adjustments and had a true handle of offensive 5 man basketball. Lavin is clueless in these areas as well as all other aspects of coaching. Good recruiter who better get some 2014 guys as lots of the top guys are already off the board.
Actually he left a SUPERIOR program and coaching staff with the St. Louis Bilikins to come here.
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Good use of CAPS.
Majerus did wonders everywhere he went.
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Its really lavins 2nd year coaching his new players. I think we will consistently make the NCAA's going forward..give him the extension. This school has no other options at this point. At the very least he is an outstanding recruiter and has consistently proven that. Talented recruits alone is enough to extend him...
No he is not an outstanding recruiter. He had a great first year (which was largely based on Pelle and Sampson) both of whom he didn't get that year, and Sampson which bolstered his second year and then what? One recruit in two years? and what of the quality of recruits now? Delarossa? His brother (1 rebound 1 point per game at FIU?) How many 4, 5 or even three star recruits are we involved with in a CRUCIAL year for our front court players? Very soon the "great recruiter" myth will be realized. And isn't part of GREAT RECRUITING , staggering the classes so not most of the players leave at once? Didn't we all want to hang Norm for this? And isn't part of GREAT RECRUITING bringing in players of need, as in "where are the shooters and strong inside players" No boys and girls, Lavin has failed miserably in that respect, whether you want to hear it or not. His first recruited class, as was Frannies, Mahoneys etc. was all due to the hype of his arrival to the program but what has he done since then? As I have said before and will say again, SNAKE OIL ANYONE???
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Linda and Baldi- Simple question
Safe to assume you both are in favor of firing the entire staff, yes?
Who are your choices, if you had your pick?
Would be concerned about the talent currently on team leaving?
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I think he's done a good job rebuilding this program. He's improved the talent level tremendously.
This is the first year that's been a slight disappointment. But they were only a win or 2 away from what I thought they could be. Hopefully we can put a run together in the NIT and everyone comes back. If so we should have a real good year next year.
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Linda and Baldi- Simple question
Safe to assume you both are in favor of firing the entire staff, yes?
Who are your choices, if you had your pick?
Would be concerned about the talent currently on team leaving?
I would be willing to take the hit for a year or two as I believe we are not going anywhere in the long run anyway. Lavins future success is being predicated by him landing a big class in 2015. What many people fail to realize is that the 2015 class is not a done deal. Anything less then Diallo, and some other 4 or 5 star recuits and we will be cellar dwellers as his coaching will certainly not raise the talent level. And what has this talent done for us anyway? Any NCAA appearances?? How many top 50 wins??? etc. Who are my choices? I have no clue but I do believe that such a job is a big time draw (playing in the Garden with a MILLION PLUS salary) and there will be some excellent candidates.
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I think he's done a good job rebuilding this program. He's improved the talent level tremendously.
This is the first year that's been a slight disappointment. But they were only a win or 2 away from what I thought they could be. Hopefully we can put a run together in the NIT and everyone comes back. If so we should have a real good year next year.
I'm on board with your analysis, JJ.. I think I predicted 23 wins this season and sweet sixteen. Close on win total, at least...lol.. I think the biggest disappointment was clearly the slow start. Losing all three games against Penn St, Syr, and Wisco really set us back early on.
0-5 to start BE play did the team in. Almost impossible to comeback with no room for error at that point.
I think this team can be very good if CO comes back next year. Would be dumb if he declares, but what can you do?
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I think he's done a good job rebuilding this program. He's improved the talent level tremendously.
This is the first year that's been a slight disappointment. But they were only a win or 2 away from what I thought they could be. Hopefully we can put a run together in the NIT and everyone comes back. If so we should have a real good year next year.
I take away as a bigger disappointment as once again if you compare last year to this year, last years Big East schedule was far superior to this years with the likes of the Cuse, Louisville, Cinci, Uconn, Etc. on the schedule. SO a record of 10-8 in the Big East this year may not have even been as good as last years record. SO WE HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF AN INFERIOR BIG EAST SCHEDULE AND ARE STILL ENDING UP IN THE SAME OLD NIT and thats improvement?
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Linda and Baldi- Simple question
Safe to assume you both are in favor of firing the entire staff, yes?
Who are your choices, if you had your pick?
Would be concerned about the talent currently on team leaving?
I would be willing to take the hit for a year or two as I believe we are not going anywhere in the long run anyway. Lavins future success is being predicated by him landing a big class in 2015. What many people fail to realize is that the 2015 class is not a done deal. Anything less then Diallo, and some other 4 or 5 star recuits and we will be cellar dwellers as his coaching will certainly not raise the talent level. And what has this talent done for us anyway? Any NCAA appearances?? How many top 50 wins??? etc. Who are my choices? I have no clue but I do believe that such a job is a big time draw (playing in the Garden with a MILLION PLUS salary) and there will be some excellent candidates.
Interesting.. So you are willing to go backwards for two seasons in order to start all over again with someone brand new, instead of building on what we already have? What if the new guy only makes 1 tourney in his first 4 seasons, with Lavins players? Start over again?
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The question I ask is how good of an xo guy is Whitesill? I don't think Lavin is that good. What is the opinion of this board.? Would we be better off replacing him ((Whitesill) w an expert like a Dunlap?
The play and results of this year's team tell you all you need to know about Whitesell. He is not a master in game tactician, hell noone even knows who he is. He was some no name D2 or D3 coach before he came here. He's easily replaceable. The real question is will Lavin and the SJU admin open the wallet to bring in a big name asst coach? Not sure Lavin's ego can deal with it and not sure this admin will spend any big $$ to bring in a proven top bench coach.
Yes this team would be considerably better if they had a true bench coach who was great at making in game adjustments and had a true handle of offensive 5 man basketball. Lavin is clueless in these areas as well as all other aspects of coaching. Good recruiter who better get some 2014 guys as lots of the top guys are already off the board.
Actually he left a SUPERIOR program and coaching staff with the St. Louis Bilikins to come here.
Actually he was an asst coach at SLU and was passed over for the HC job when Majerus died for a fellow asst coach so that tells you all you need to know. Further, in his only D1 head coaching stint at Loyola Chicago he was a .500 coach so try again. Whitesell is a no name scrub. They need a top bench coach who would cost money and challenge Lavin's ego. Let's see if the admin. and Lavin have the balls to do it.
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What good is recruiting top 100 players if the coach cant win with them? What if we had a hired a good X's and O's coach instead of Lavin that brought in 3 star players instead of 4 and 5 star athletes and had the same season we had this year? Its great that Lavin can bring talent here but this core is far too talented to be an NIT team this year. I'd much rather have a coach that brings in solid 3 star recruits every year and gets us tournament appearances on a regular basis.
Everybody talks about how Lavin needs time to build this program. But his building is predicated on the idea that he can bring in a huge recruiting class once every 3 or 4 years. That doesnt really work for a program on our level. We need to be recruiting a few 3 and 4 star players every year that will stay and develop all 4 years. Not saying recruiting guys like Sheed/Diallo/Briscoe is bad but it doesnt make the difference people think if they arent surrounded by veteran players who know what their role and are good at it. For example: Sheed was great for us this year but could you imagine how good he could have been had the team had 1 or 2 legit shooters to keep defenses from sagging into the lane
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I think he's done a good job rebuilding this program. He's improved the talent level tremendously.
This is the first year that's been a slight disappointment. But they were only a win or 2 away from what I thought they could be. Hopefully we can put a run together in the NIT and everyone comes back. If so we should have a real good year next year.
I'm on board with your analysis, JJ.. I think I predicted 23 wins this season and sweet sixteen. Close on win total, at least...lol.. I think the biggest disappointment was clearly the slow start. Losing all three games against Penn St, Syr, and Wisco really set us back early on.
0-5 to start BE play did the team in. Almost impossible to comeback with no room for error at that point.
I think this team can be very good if CO comes back next year. Would be dumb if he declares, but what can you do?
0-5 start and the to loss Depaul were big. Even with that...if we could've gotten a win vs Nova or Xavier we might be on the right side of the bubble. Every game counts.
Personally I think everyone overestimates the talent on this team. I don't think we are in the top 16 talent wise in the country despite everyone complaining that we have sweet 16 talent. I think we finished about where we should have. Nova was more talented and Creighton has McDermott...I think we are close in talent to Xavier and Providence. Biggest problem this year was one dimensional players and Sheed's adjustment period.
But I'm more patient than other fans. I did not expect any coach to come in here and have us in sweet 16 by year 3 (not counting first year because we had a full roster and Lavin came in late recruiting wise). I think Lavin has us on track for sweet 16 next year though.
I'm hoping he can pull recruits out of his ass again this spring so we can sustain momentum going forward.
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God, this board is annoying. The same crap is said over and over and over and over...
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I think he's done a good job rebuilding this program. He's improved the talent level tremendously.
This is the first year that's been a slight disappointment. But they were only a win or 2 away from what I thought they could be. Hopefully we can put a run together in the NIT and everyone comes back. If so we should have a real good year next year.
I'm on board with your analysis, JJ.. I think I predicted 23 wins this season and sweet sixteen. Close on win total, at least...lol.. I think the biggest disappointment was clearly the slow start. Losing all three games against Penn St, Syr, and Wisco really set us back early on.
0-5 to start BE play did the team in. Almost impossible to comeback with no room for error at that point.
I think this team can be very good if CO comes back next year. Would be dumb if he declares, but what can you do?
0-5 start and the to loss Depaul were big. Even with that...if we could've gotten a win vs Nova or Xavier we might be on the right side of the bubble. Every game counts.
Personally I think everyone overestimates the talent on this team. I don't think we are in the top 16 talent wise in the country despite everyone complaining that we have sweet 16 talent. I think we finished about where we should have. Nova was more talented and Creighton has McDermott...I think we are close in talent to Xavier and Providence. Biggest problem this year was one dimensional players and Sheed's adjustment period.
But I'm more patient than other fans. I did not expect any coach to come in here and have us in sweet 16 by year 3 (not counting first year because we had a full roster and Lavin came in late recruiting wise). I think Lavin has us on track for sweet 16 next year though.
I'm hoping he can pull recruits out of his ass again this spring so we can sustain momentum going forward.
It will be extremely hard for Lavin to ever have a more talented roster than this one. If he cant win with these guys he will need Kentucky caliber talent and he wont be able to bring that St. John's
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God, this board is annoying. The same crap is said over and over and over and over...
I would say its like a broken record but its much worse. I think its more like scratches on a chalk board while trying to read this board sometimes. But its on all message boards and really much worse elsewhere. Team loses...fire everybody.
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It will be extremely hard for Lavin to ever have a more talented roster than this one. If he cant win with these guys he will need Kentucky caliber talent and he wont be able to bring that St. John's
Really? out of coaching 7 years and his first couple recruiting classes is the best he will do?
Talent wise where do you rank this team...in this league...and nationally?
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It will be extremely hard for Lavin to ever have a more talented roster than this one. If he cant win with these guys he will need Kentucky caliber talent and he wont be able to bring that St. John's
Really? out of coaching 7 years and his first couple recruiting classes is the best he will do?
Talent wise where do you rank this team...in this league...and nationally?
Yes because he has been exposed as not a good x and o's coach nor game coach and top level talent with pro aspirations may stop coming here. I do realize some of our fans may see the Delarosa brothers as 2015 lottery picks.
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It will be extremely hard for Lavin to ever have a more talented roster than this one. If he cant win with these guys he will need Kentucky caliber talent and he wont be able to bring that St. John's
Really? out of coaching 7 years and his first couple recruiting classes is the best he will do?
Talent wise where do you rank this team...in this league...and nationally?
I wouldn't say we are more talented than Nova or Creighton, but i wouldnt say they are more talented than we are either. We are WAY more talented than Xavier, Prov, Gtown etc. I'd say if the NCAA tournament field was selected before any games were played and only talent was taken into consideration we'd be a 7, 8 or 9 seed
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It will be extremely hard for Lavin to ever have a more talented roster than this one. If he cant win with these guys he will need Kentucky caliber talent and he wont be able to bring that St. John's
Really? out of coaching 7 years and his first couple recruiting classes is the best he will do?
Talent wise where do you rank this team...in this league...and nationally?
Yes because he has been exposed as not a good x and o's coach nor game coach and top level talent with pro aspirations may stop coming here. I do realize some of our fans may see the Delarosa brothers as 2015 lottery picks.
I wouldn't go that far yet... If Boheim can recruit top level talent in the tundra of upstate NY year after year why can't Lavin do the same. It took Boheim to recruit Melo to win his one on only championship. Hope is not lost yet... Championship speaking Donovan has won 2 championships in a school that doesn't focus on BB.
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It will be extremely hard for Lavin to ever have a more talented roster than this one. If he cant win with these guys he will need Kentucky caliber talent and he wont be able to bring that St. John's
Really? out of coaching 7 years and his first couple recruiting classes is the best he will do?
Talent wise where do you rank this team...in this league...and nationally?
Yes because he has been exposed as not a good x and o's coach nor game coach and top level talent with pro aspirations may stop coming here. I do realize some of our fans may see the Delarosa brothers as 2015 lottery picks.
I thought he was exposed at UCLA? Must be a miracle that he has landed so many good recruits here.
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I wouldn't say we are more talented than Nova or Creighton, but i wouldnt say they are more talented than we are either. We are WAY more talented than Xavier, Prov, Gtown etc. I'd say if the NCAA tournament field was selected before any games were played and only talent was taken into consideration we'd be a 7, 8 or 9 seed
Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't see how anyone can say we are WAY more talented than those teams.
9 seed puts us at top 36 talent. That's close...I would put us at 35-45 range maybe. Problem is most of our talent is one dimensional. You need to be able to score in today's game and we don't have enough offensive talent to be elite.
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It will be extremely hard for Lavin to ever have a more talented roster than this one. If he cant win with these guys he will need Kentucky caliber talent and he wont be able to bring that St. John's
Really? out of coaching 7 years and his first couple recruiting classes is the best he will do?
Talent wise where do you rank this team...in this league...and nationally?
Yes because he has been exposed as not a good x and o's coach nor game coach and top level talent with pro aspirations may stop coming here. I do realize some of our fans may see the Delarosa brothers as 2015 lottery picks.
He already has one guy in the league and likely another in Jordan.
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I think he's done a good job rebuilding this program. He's improved the talent level tremendously.
This is the first year that's been a slight disappointment. But they were only a win or 2 away from what I thought they could be. Hopefully we can put a run together in the NIT and everyone comes back. If so we should have a real good year next year.
I take away as a bigger disappointment as once again if you compare last year to this year, last years Big East schedule was far superior to this years with the likes of the Cuse, Louisville, Cinci, Uconn, Etc. on the schedule. SO a record of 10-8 in the Big East this year may not have even been as good as last years record. SO WE HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF AN INFERIOR BIG EAST SCHEDULE AND ARE STILL ENDING UP IN THE SAME OLD NIT and thats improvement?
This is a very good point actually. Would probably have the same record as last year if the BE had not broken up. And would probably have had 20 wins last year if competing then in this conference. The team hasnt really improved.
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I wouldn't say we are more talented than Nova or Creighton, but i wouldnt say they are more talented than we are either. We are WAY more talented than Xavier, Prov, Gtown etc. I'd say if the NCAA tournament field was selected before any games were played and only talent was taken into consideration we'd be a 7, 8 or 9 seed
Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't see how anyone can say we are WAY more talented than those teams.
9 seed puts us at top 36 talent. That's close...I would put us at 35-45 range maybe. Problem is most of our talent is one dimensional. You need to be able to score in today's game and we don't have enough offensive talent to be elite.
Harrison fills it up, Sheed can get to the rim at will and is very good around the rim, Karr has perfected the mid range jumper and is good around the basket, Phil can shoot it, Branch is a solid passer and Sanchez can score and pass. Yes, we could use a legit shooter or 2 but we still have significant talent. The talent just doesnt get to come out much because guys like Greene are asked to do things they cant and our off-ball movement flat out sucks. Our offense consists of either a simple ball screen, playing 1 on 1, or a 1 on 1 drive and kick. Some solid set plays or even a continuity offense like the flex would really put the offensive talent to use
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It will be extremely hard for Lavin to ever have a more talented roster than this one. If he cant win with these guys he will need Kentucky caliber talent and he wont be able to bring that St. John's
Really? out of coaching 7 years and his first couple recruiting classes is the best he will do?
Talent wise where do you rank this team...in this league...and nationally?
Yes because he has been exposed as not a good x and o's coach nor game coach and top level talent with pro aspirations may stop coming here. I do realize some of our fans may see the Delarosa brothers as 2015 lottery picks.
I wouldn't go that far yet... If Boheim can recruit top level talent in the tundra of upstate NY year after year why can't Lavin do the same. It took Boheim to recruit Melo to win his one on only championship. Hope is not lost yet... Championship speaking Donovan has won 2 championships in a school that doesn't focus on BB.
St John's isn't the near the name brand that 'Cuse or Florida it is, let's be honest. Yes Syracuse is a trek into the middle of nowhere bumblef*** but Boeheim has built that team and school into a national brand over decades. Besides the 80's and from about '97 through 2002, SJU hasn't been a marquee national name(only talking recent history from 1980 on). Just think of all the top players in the Tri-State area and how many have Syracuse on a wish lit but SJU not so much. That branding takes years to build and it's the most powerful recruiting tool along with rings.
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The biggest problem was that we never really embraced the style of play that suits our personnel - pressing and running. With this staff and this roster, we will always be hit or miss when a team zones us up. I have no idea why we don't use our depth and incredible athleticism to our advantage, but that should be our identity.
Re: extension - Lavin can't effectively recruit without it. In order to succeed here, he must recruit at an elite level. A rolling 4 year deal seems to be sensible instead of 6 years with a hard expiration.
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It will be extremely hard for Lavin to ever have a more talented roster than this one. If he cant win with these guys he will need Kentucky caliber talent and he wont be able to bring that St. John's
Really? out of coaching 7 years and his first couple recruiting classes is the best he will do?
Talent wise where do you rank this team...in this league...and nationally?
Yes because he has been exposed as not a good x and o's coach nor game coach and top level talent with pro aspirations may stop coming here. I do realize some of our fans may see the Delarosa brothers as 2015 lottery picks.
I thought he was exposed at UCLA? Must be a miracle that he has landed so many good recruits here.
There were those that questioned but at St. John's Lavin has removed all doubt.
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The question I ask is how good of an xo guy is Whitesill? I don't think Lavin is that good. What is the opinion of this board.? Would we be better off replacing him ((Whitesill) w an expert like a Dunlap?
The play and results of this year's team tell you all you need to know about Whitesell. He is not a master in game tactician, hell noone even knows who he is. He was some no name D2 or D3 coach before he came here. He's easily replaceable. The real question is will Lavin and the SJU admin open the wallet to bring in a big name asst coach? Not sure Lavin's ego can deal with it and not sure this admin will spend any big $$ to bring in a proven top bench coach.
Yes this team would be considerably better if they had a true bench coach who was great at making in game adjustments and had a true handle of offensive 5 man basketball. Lavin is clueless in these areas as well as all other aspects of coaching. Good recruiter who better get some 2014 guys as lots of the top guys are already off the board.
Actually he left a SUPERIOR program and coaching staff with the St. Louis Bilikins to come here.
Actually he was an asst coach at SLU and was passed over for the HC job when Majerus died for a fellow asst coach so that tells you all you need to know. Further, in his only D1 head coaching stint at Loyola Chicago he was a .500 coach so try again. Whitesell is a no name scrub. They need a top bench coach who would cost money and challenge Lavin's ego. Let's see if the admin. and Lavin have the balls to do it.
Okay I will try again. (I love it when posters make me look good) I guess you were not aware that Whitesell was the ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH of the ST. LOUIS BILIKINS WHO FINISHED 28-7 and a final ranking in both polls of 16. When was the last time a Johnnie team finished with a final ranking of 16 in both polls. So calling him a no name scrum shows how little you know of the college game, so to use your quote, try again, only this time get the facts straight.
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God, this board is annoying. The same crap is said over and over and over and over...
Agree, the same idiots are still buying into Lavin's crapola despite the obvious, very annoying at that.
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The question I ask is how good of an xo guy is Whitesill? I don't think Lavin is that good. What is the opinion of this board.? Would we be better off replacing him ((Whitesill) w an expert like a Dunlap?
The play and results of this year's team tell you all you need to know about Whitesell. He is not a master in game tactician, hell noone even knows who he is. He was some no name D2 or D3 coach before he came here. He's easily replaceable. The real question is will Lavin and the SJU admin open the wallet to bring in a big name asst coach? Not sure Lavin's ego can deal with it and not sure this admin will spend any big $$ to bring in a proven top bench coach.
Yes this team would be considerably better if they had a true bench coach who was great at making in game adjustments and had a true handle of offensive 5 man basketball. Lavin is clueless in these areas as well as all other aspects of coaching. Good recruiter who better get some 2014 guys as lots of the top guys are already off the board.
Actually he left a SUPERIOR program and coaching staff with the St. Louis Bilikins to come here.
Actually he was an asst coach at SLU and was passed over for the HC job when Majerus died for a fellow asst coach so that tells you all you need to know. Further, in his only D1 head coaching stint at Loyola Chicago he was a .500 coach so try again. Whitesell is a no name scrub. They need a top bench coach who would cost money and challenge Lavin's ego. Let's see if the admin. and Lavin have the balls to do it.
Okay I will try again. (I love it when posters make me look good) I guess you were not aware that Whitesell was the ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH of the ST. LOUIS BILIKINS WHO FINISHED 28-7 and a final ranking in both polls of 16. When was the last time a Johnnie team finished with a final ranking of 16 in both polls. So calling him a no name scrum shows how little you know of the college game, so to use your quote, try again, only this time get the facts straight.
Was not the HC so it doesn't carry the same weight. And the point of this argument is that the coaching staff isn't getting it done now and Whitesell's part of that problem. They need a top bench coach. They're out there at some schools around the country but it's a question of whether SJU wants to invest in one and if Lavin would be ok with it.
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kind of weird. even when I agree with some of Linda's points he/she bothers me.
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The question I ask is how good of an xo guy is Whitesill? I don't think Lavin is that good. What is the opinion of this board.? Would we be better off replacing him ((Whitesill) w an expert like a Dunlap?
The play and results of this year's team tell you all you need to know about Whitesell. He is not a master in game tactician, hell noone even knows who he is. He was some no name D2 or D3 coach before he came here. He's easily replaceable. The real question is will Lavin and the SJU admin open the wallet to bring in a big name asst coach? Not sure Lavin's ego can deal with it and not sure this admin will spend any big $$ to bring in a proven top bench coach.
Yes this team would be considerably better if they had a true bench coach who was great at making in game adjustments and had a true handle of offensive 5 man basketball. Lavin is clueless in these areas as well as all other aspects of coaching. Good recruiter who better get some 2014 guys as lots of the top guys are already off the board.
Actually he left a SUPERIOR program and coaching staff with the St. Louis Bilikins to come here.
Actually he was an asst coach at SLU and was passed over for the HC job when Majerus died for a fellow asst coach so that tells you all you need to know. Further, in his only D1 head coaching stint at Loyola Chicago he was a .500 coach so try again. Whitesell is a no name scrub. They need a top bench coach who would cost money and challenge Lavin's ego. Let's see if the admin. and Lavin have the balls to do it.
Okay I will try again. (I love it when posters make me look good) I guess you were not aware that Whitesell was the ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH of the ST. LOUIS BILIKINS WHO FINISHED 28-7 and a final ranking in both polls of 16. When was the last time a Johnnie team finished with a final ranking of 16 in both polls. So calling him a no name scrum shows how little you know of the college game, so to use your quote, try again, only this time get the facts straight.
Was not the HC so it doesn't carry the same weight. And the point of this argument is that the coaching staff isn't getting it done now and Whitesell's part of that problem. They need a top bench coach. They're out there at some schools around the country but it's a question of whether SJU wants to invest in one and if Lavin would be ok with it.
Whitesell also sign on to the program late lets see what he can for a full season.
@linda most of the board is not drinking the Lavin Kool aid. Most people see this season as a let down...However the team still had more wins and has improved overall (people can debate this and that is understandable). Having a season that failed expectations is not the end of the world either. Hating on a coach for years to come is not very fun either. Comparing this BE to the old one is apple and oranges. For the most all the teams that left the old BE have really not done anything... Cuse is not looking that good.
I'm not going to convince you that Lavin is a good coach you have legitimate reasons to think otherwise..but calling people idiots for saying he can still do a good job is also wrong.
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It will be extremely hard for Lavin to ever have a more talented roster than this one. If he cant win with these guys he will need Kentucky caliber talent and he wont be able to bring that St. John's
Really? out of coaching 7 years and his first couple recruiting classes is the best he will do?
Talent wise where do you rank this team...in this league...and nationally?
I wouldn't say we are more talented than Nova or Creighton, but i wouldnt say they are more talented than we are either. We are WAY more talented than Xavier, Prov, Gtown etc. I'd say if the NCAA tournament field was selected before any games were played and only talent was taken into consideration we'd be a 7, 8 or 9 seed
Actually I would say we are more talented then Nova which just magnifies Lavin's Inept coaching. so lets see now.
PG Archie vs Rysheed
SG Hart vs Dlo
SF/G Hillard vs Sampson
PF Pinkston vs Sanchez
C Ochefu vs Obekpa
And I have not even mentioned the depth we clearly have an advantage with.
The other thing I find very interesting is when LAVIN LOVERS WANT TO GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR PUTTING HARKLESS IN THE LEAGUE BUT DONT WANT TO BLAME HIM FOR THE TEAMS RECORD THAT YEAR??? Thats absolutely unreal.
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The question I ask is how good of an xo guy is Whitesill? I don't think Lavin is that good. What is the opinion of this board.? Would we be better off replacing him ((Whitesill) w an expert like a Dunlap?
The play and results of this year's team tell you all you need to know about Whitesell. He is not a master in game tactician, hell noone even knows who he is. He was some no name D2 or D3 coach before he came here. He's easily replaceable. The real question is will Lavin and the SJU admin open the wallet to bring in a big name asst coach? Not sure Lavin's ego can deal with it and not sure this admin will spend any big $$ to bring in a proven top bench coach.
Yes this team would be considerably better if they had a true bench coach who was great at making in game adjustments and had a true handle of offensive 5 man basketball. Lavin is clueless in these areas as well as all other aspects of coaching. Good recruiter who better get some 2014 guys as lots of the top guys are already off the board.
Actually he left a SUPERIOR program and coaching staff with the St. Louis Bilikins to come here.
Actually he was an asst coach at SLU and was passed over for the HC job when Majerus died for a fellow asst coach so that tells you all you need to know. Further, in his only D1 head coaching stint at Loyola Chicago he was a .500 coach so try again. Whitesell is a no name scrub. They need a top bench coach who would cost money and challenge Lavin's ego. Let's see if the admin. and Lavin have the balls to do it.
Okay I will try again. (I love it when posters make me look good) I guess you were not aware that Whitesell was the ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH of the ST. LOUIS BILIKINS WHO FINISHED 28-7 and a final ranking in both polls of 16. When was the last time a Johnnie team finished with a final ranking of 16 in both polls. So calling him a no name scrum shows how little you know of the college game, so to use your quote, try again, only this time get the facts straight.
Was not the HC so it doesn't carry the same weight. And the point of this argument is that the coaching staff isn't getting it done now and Whitesell's part of that problem. They need a top bench coach. They're out there at some schools around the country but it's a question of whether SJU wants to invest in one and if Lavin would be ok with it.
Whitesell also sign on to the program late lets see what he can for a full season.
@linda most of the board is not drinking the Lavin Kool aid. Most people see this season as a let down...However the team still had more wins and has improved overall (people can debate this and that is understandable). Having a season that failed expectations is not the end of the world either. Hating on a coach for years to come is not very fun either. Comparing this BE to the old one is apple and oranges. For the most all the teams that left the old BE have really not done anything... Cuse is not looking that good.
I'm not going to convince you that Lavin is a good coach you have legitimate reasons to think otherwise..but calling people idiots for saying he can still do a good job is also wrong.
My concern is that we are stuck with this guy for years to come. He has proven to be an individual that avoids accountability for any of his shortcomings, finds excuses for everything and is not a very good coach, or recruiter which eventually people will realize. Usually when I call someone an idiot its cause I am countering some sort of attack but I will agree that stooping to such levels is just dumb. I do however appreciate your civil response.
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The question I ask is how good of an xo guy is Whitesill? I don't think Lavin is that good. What is the opinion of this board.? Would we be better off replacing him ((Whitesill) w an expert like a Dunlap?
The play and results of this year's team tell you all you need to know about Whitesell. He is not a master in game tactician, hell noone even knows who he is. He was some no name D2 or D3 coach before he came here. He's easily replaceable. The real question is will Lavin and the SJU admin open the wallet to bring in a big name asst coach? Not sure Lavin's ego can deal with it and not sure this admin will spend any big $$ to bring in a proven top bench coach.
Yes this team would be considerably better if they had a true bench coach who was great at making in game adjustments and had a true handle of offensive 5 man basketball. Lavin is clueless in these areas as well as all other aspects of coaching. Good recruiter who better get some 2014 guys as lots of the top guys are already off the board.
Actually he left a SUPERIOR program and coaching staff with the St. Louis Bilikins to come here.
Actually he was an asst coach at SLU and was passed over for the HC job when Majerus died for a fellow asst coach so that tells you all you need to know. Further, in his only D1 head coaching stint at Loyola Chicago he was a .500 coach so try again. Whitesell is a no name scrub. They need a top bench coach who would cost money and challenge Lavin's ego. Let's see if the admin. and Lavin have the balls to do it.
Okay I will try again. (I love it when posters make me look good) I guess you were not aware that Whitesell was the ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH of the ST. LOUIS BILIKINS WHO FINISHED 28-7 and a final ranking in both polls of 16. When was the last time a Johnnie team finished with a final ranking of 16 in both polls. So calling him a no name scrum shows how little you know of the college game, so to use your quote, try again, only this time get the facts straight.
Was not the HC so it doesn't carry the same weight. And the point of this argument is that the coaching staff isn't getting it done now and Whitesell's part of that problem. They need a top bench coach. They're out there at some schools around the country but it's a question of whether SJU wants to invest in one and if Lavin would be ok with it.
Whitesell also sign on to the program late lets see what he can for a full season.
@linda most of the board is not drinking the Lavin Kool aid. Most people see this season as a let down...However the team still had more wins and has improved overall (people can debate this and that is understandable). Having a season that failed expectations is not the end of the world either. Hating on a coach for years to come is not very fun either. Comparing this BE to the old one is apple and oranges. For the most all the teams that left the old BE have really not done anything... Cuse is not looking that good.
I'm not going to convince you that Lavin is a good coach you have legitimate reasons to think otherwise..but calling people idiots for saying he can still do a good job is also wrong.
My concern is that we are stuck with this guy for years to come. He has proven to be an individual that avoids accountability for any of his shortcomings, finds excuses for everything and is not a very good coach, or recruiter which eventually people will realize. Usually when I call someone an idiot its cause I am countering some sort of attack but I will agree that stooping to such levels is just dumb. I do however appreciate your civil response.
Agree with your points of concerns, he can keep giving excuses but there not going to fly...the local newspapers have actually criticize him. If he fails next year he will be crush I believed. Talking about extensions you have to give him one or fire him. Would you agree that firing him will be counter productive? He has to be be extended or else he is a lame duck coach. I think 3yrs with a 4th option would be more then enough personally, other then that I think the program is taking too much risk.
I do disagree that he is a fraud for the simple fact that he got Whitesell whom you defended as well. I think he knows is short comings and he is working to get that fixed. What this program needs is a few years the same coaching staff... The constant coming and going of the staff does impact the stability of the program.
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If we are the most talented team in conference please explain why we had only one player make any of the all conference teams or honorable mention, and the other teams had multiple players make that level? It is too easy to ignore facts when they are inconsistent with the argument you are advancing.
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It will be extremely hard for Lavin to ever have a more talented roster than this one. If he cant win with these guys he will need Kentucky caliber talent and he wont be able to bring that St. John's
Really? out of coaching 7 years and his first couple recruiting classes is the best he will do?
Talent wise where do you rank this team...in this league...and nationally?
I wouldn't say we are more talented than Nova or Creighton, but i wouldnt say they are more talented than we are either. We are WAY more talented than Xavier, Prov, Gtown etc. I'd say if the NCAA tournament field was selected before any games were played and only talent was taken into consideration we'd be a 7, 8 or 9 seed
If the NCAA tournament field was selected by SJU fans then we'd be a 2 or 3 seed. Fans for any team outside the BE and we'd be on the bubble.
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It will be extremely hard for Lavin to ever have a more talented roster than this one. If he cant win with these guys he will need Kentucky caliber talent and he wont be able to bring that St. John's
Really? out of coaching 7 years and his first couple recruiting classes is the best he will do?
Talent wise where do you rank this team...in this league...and nationally?
I wouldn't say we are more talented than Nova or Creighton, but i wouldnt say they are more talented than we are either. We are WAY more talented than Xavier, Prov, Gtown etc. I'd say if the NCAA tournament field was selected before any games were played and only talent was taken into consideration we'd be a 7, 8 or 9 seed
Actually I would say we are more talented then Nova which just magnifies Lavin's Inept coaching. so lets see now.
PG Archie vs Rysheed
SG Hart vs Dlo
SF/G Hillard vs Sampson
PF Pinkston vs Sanchez
C Ochefu vs Obekpa
And I have not even mentioned the depth we clearly have an advantage with.
The other thing I find very interesting is when LAVIN LOVERS WANT TO GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR PUTTING HARKLESS IN THE LEAGUE BUT DONT WANT TO BLAME HIM FOR THE TEAMS RECORD THAT YEAR??? Thats absolutely unreal.
I just asked my buddy who is a Nova fan. He laughed and said he wouldn't take anyone on our roster over who they have now.
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If we are the most talented team in conference please explain why we had only one player make any of the all conference teams or honorable mention, and the other teams had multiple players make that level? It is too easy to ignore facts when they are inconsistent with the argument you are advancing.
Vince Lombardi took over a Packer team that had won only one game the year before with virtually the same players, the next year they played for the championship and the next year they won it. All of a sudden those same players who everyone thought stunk were all pros and then HOFers. Yeah you are right, coaching makes no difference.
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If we are the most talented team in conference please explain why we had only one player make any of the all conference teams or honorable mention, and the other teams had multiple players make that level? It is too easy to ignore facts when they are inconsistent with the argument you are advancing.
Vince Lombardi took over a Packer team that had won only one game the year before with virtually the same players, the next year they played for the championship and the next year they won it. All of a sudden those same players who everyone thought stunk were all pros and then HOFers. Yeah you are right, coaching makes no difference.
Kind of like when Lavin took over Norm's players.
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If we are the most talented team in conference please explain why we had only one player make any of the all conference teams or honorable mention, and the other teams had multiple players make that level? It is too easy to ignore facts when they are inconsistent with the argument you are advancing.
Vince Lombardi took over a Packer team that had won only one game the year before with virtually the same players, the next year they played for the championship and the next year they won it. All of a sudden those same players who everyone thought stunk were all pros and then HOFers. Yeah you are right, coaching makes no difference.
Kind of like when Lavin took over Norm's players.
Right, and let's remember we had the most pre season all conf players along with newcomer of the year in Sheed. Think it was Dlo, Karr and CO with the honors. Way to utilize your talent coach.
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I would like him to recruit need and not just the best available athlete. And I don't mean my team can't shoot so I am going to bring in a white guy I am not going to play. Recruit kids that can knockdown shots and have a chance of playing. What was the point of recruiting Dom and Amir two great athletes that can't make shots. We don't run, so we don't need 12 guys flying around. Both times Lavin has had success with us he played 8 guys and we are usually playing half court offense, yet we don't have any low post scorers and only one guy that can make a three.
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I would like him to recruit need and not just the best available athlete. And I don't mean my team can't shoot so I am going to bring in a white guy I am not going to play. Recruit kids that can knockdown shots and have a chance of playing. What was the point of recruiting Dom and Amir two great athletes that can't make shots. We don't run, so we don't need 12 guys flying around. Both times Lavin has had success with us he played 8 guys and we are usually playing half court offense, yet we don't have any low post scorers and only one guy that can make a three.
I think the hope was Dom would develop into a good offensive player. Unfortunately it hasn't panned out.
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Your buddy the Nova fan doesn't know what he is talking about. Jay Wright would take D-Lo in his backcourt in a heartbeat. Pretty sure he'd like Jordan and Sampson too.
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My biggest concern with the staff has been the inability to make the guys better at playing team basketball... Everybody talks about our talent, and I for one think individually these guys are very talented. However what keeps these guys from taking the next step is these guys have not learned to play within their strengths and try to do to much on own, which brings out all their flaws. This I believe is on coaching as much as the players.
Lavin is an outstanding recruiter and if you think other wise, you probably just don't understand enough about college basketball. With that said my concern with his recruits are, if he insists on just taking athletes, then make sure as a coach, you are good enough as a tactician or have someone who is, so that the weaknesses are hidden by drawing up the right plays and playing a rotation that does not bring out all the deficiencies at once. The staff can't hit free throws or hit jump shots but they can draw up enough good plays so at the very least, kids are put in the right position to give them the best opportunity to succeed and that I do not see enough.
Our team iq, low post game and three point shooting is awful, so this staff has to figure a way to better game plan, game in and game out next yr, because until these guys learn to play 40 minutes of team basketball, we are looking at another season of the same.
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Your buddy the Nova fan doesn't know what he is talking about. Jay Wright would take D-Lo in his backcourt in a heartbeat. Pretty sure he'd like Jordan and Sampson too.
Yup, Jay Wright would take D-Lo, Jordan and Sampson, kids he really didn't recruit for the kids he did recruit and land. Yup my buddy doesn't know what he is talking about.
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I don't think Jay Wright recruited a lot of really good players in college hoops right now. Doesn't mean he wouldn't take those guys on his team.
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Hałil Kamacevic and Robal Roberts are exactly why this staff is a failur. These guys know how to play ball
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failure is such a strong word.. and incorrect.
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Bs Baldi. Lavin has real flaws, but Kanacevic was at Hofstra the year before he got hired. He could've held on to Roberts, but who's to say he didn't try to?
I blame coach for being invisible with 2014 recruits. But you can always cherry pick guys that went under the radar and now look good.
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FTR- it is tremendously lazy basketball analysis to blame everything on a coaching staff or a single coach.. I assume you guys actually watch the games? Do you guys see the missed layups and foul shots? Do you see the poor gambles and boneheaded defense? Do you see the dumb fouls by our bigs? Seems every game either Sanchez, CO, or Jordan had 2 fouls within the first 5 minutes of most games..
Of course Lavin and staff have to take a hit.. Seriously though, some of the posts lately have done nothing but shown posters extreme lack of basketball knowledge... Any nice person can look at results that are subpar and say Fire Coach.... And we, unfortunately, have many that grace the pages of this blog.
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FTR- it is tremendously lazy basketball analysis to blame everything on a coaching staff or a single coach.. I assume you guys actually watch the games? Do you guys see the missed layups and foul shots? Do you see the poor gambles and boneheaded defense? Do you see the dumb fouls by our bigs? Seems every game either Sanchez, CO, or Jordan had 2 fouls within the first 5 minutes of most games..
Of course Lavin and staff have to take a hit.. Seriously though, some of the posts lately have done nothing but shown posters extreme lack of basketball knowledge... Any nice person can look at results that are subpar and say Fire Coach.... And we, unfortunately, have many that grace the pages of this blog.
I just watched VCU/St. joes. Was a pleasure watching 2 well coached teams. They have more talent than St Johns?
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OK.. ( exhibit A)
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FTR- it is tremendously lazy basketball analysis to blame everything on a coaching staff or a single coach.. I assume you guys actually watch the games? Do you guys see the missed layups and foul shots? Do you see the poor gambles and boneheaded defense? Do you see the dumb fouls by our bigs? Seems every game either Sanchez, CO, or Jordan had 2 fouls within the first 5 minutes of most games..
Of course Lavin and staff have to take a hit.. Seriously though, some of the posts lately have done nothing but shown posters extreme lack of basketball knowledge... Any nice person can look at results that are subpar and say Fire Coach.... And we, unfortunately, have many that grace the pages of this blog.
I just watched VCU/St. joes. Was a pleasure watching 2 well coached teams. They have more talent than St Johns?
During our most painful time, it us always good to know you are there.
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FTR- it is tremendously lazy basketball analysis to blame everything on a coaching staff or a single coach.. I assume you guys actually watch the games? Do you guys see the missed layups and foul shots? Do you see the poor gambles and boneheaded defense? Do you see the dumb fouls by our bigs? Seems every game either Sanchez, CO, or Jordan had 2 fouls within the first 5 minutes of most games..
Of course Lavin and staff have to take a hit.. Seriously though, some of the posts lately have done nothing but shown posters extreme lack of basketball knowledge... Any nice person can look at results that are subpar and say Fire Coach.... And we, unfortunately, have many that grace the pages of this blog.
I just watched VCU/St. joes. Was a pleasure watching 2 well coached teams. They have more talent than St Johns?
During our most painful time, it us always good to know you are there.
FTR- it is tremendously lazy basketball analysis to blame everything on a coaching staff or a single coach.. I assume you guys actually watch the games? Do you guys see the missed layups and foul shots? Do you see the poor gambles and boneheaded defense? Do you see the dumb fouls by our bigs? Seems every game either Sanchez, CO, or Jordan had 2 fouls within the first 5 minutes of most games..
Of course Lavin and staff have to take a hit.. Seriously though, some of the posts lately have done nothing but shown posters extreme lack of basketball knowledge... Any nice person can look at results that are subpar and say Fire Coach.... And we, unfortunately, have many that grace the pages of this blog.
I just watched VCU/St. joes. Was a pleasure watching 2 well coached teams. They have more talent than St Johns?
During our most painful time, it us always good to know you are there.
I'm not happy either.
I'm still trying to figure out what's worse. Norm not getting any talent and no NCAA. Or getting top talent, like Lavin does, and still no NCAA?
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It's not an either or proposition. Lavin and the staff truthfully didn't have the team prepared at times (in my opinion), and the players didn't hit their foul shots or commit to rebounding at times.
But that's the on court results. If the conversation ended there, we wouldn't be debating if coach should return. But there's everything else that evinces an attitude that rubs fans the wrong way..
- why did the staff take this recruiting season off?
- why didn't Lavin bring Dunlap back?
- why did Lavin go to the press about the contract extension?
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It's not an either or proposition. Lavin and the staff truthfully didn't have the team prepared at times (in my opinion), and the players didn't hit their foul shots or commit to rebounding at times.
But that's the on court results. If the conversation ended there, we wouldn't be debating if coach should return. But there's everything else that evinces an attitude that rubs fans the wrong way..
- why did the staff take this recruiting season off?
- why didn't Lavin bring Dunlap back?
- why did Lavin go to the press about the contract extension?
More truth. Stop trolling!
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Right or wrong, Desco, I think the Lavin is looking to fill gaps with role players this year. He seems more focused in 2015.
Do we know that Dunlap had any interest in coming back? We can speculate that Lavin didn't reach out to him, but we really don't know.
Who cares about the contract being discussed in the press. If anything, it might have been a means to reassure recruits that he will be back. I heard it mentioned that Briscoe's dad was concerned.
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Dunlap was making NBA head coach money sitting at home.. why would he comeback to be an assistant at a job he already left? Would you?
He took a year off and now has head coaching gig.
Lavin broke the extension news? Missed that one.
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What makes anyone think Dunlap would want to work as an assistant at St. John's while he is making millions just relaxing and sitting home.
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There is a difference between truth and speculation..... big difference.
University confirmed they were in talks with Lavin... http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24472959/st-johns-confirms-extension-talks-for-head-coach-steve-lavin (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24472959/st-johns-confirms-extension-talks-for-head-coach-steve-lavin)
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Seriously, no sense in even debating this stuff, since most have their own warped reality on what is going on... good lord..
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Seriously, no sense in even debating this stuff, since most have their own warped reality on what is going on... good lord..
Everything is a conspiracy, lol.
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I'm pretty sure Lavin had something to do with the missing Malaysian airliner also...
( patiently waits for witty comeback about how Lavin isn't smart enough to pull it off)
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I'm pretty sure Lavin had something to do with the missing Malaysian airliner also...
( patiently waits for witty comeback about how Lavin isn't smart enough to pull it off)
Maybe he sent the pilot home for a few weeks mid flight?
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I'm pretty sure Lavin had something to do with the missing Malaysian airliner also...
( patiently waits for witty comeback about how Lavin isn't smart enough to pull it off)
Maybe he sent the pilot home for a few weeks mid flight?
And he put Hooper in instead
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Regarding the " taking 2014 recruiting season off".. While the results aren't there, the fact remains, that STJ did, in fact, offer somewhere between 10-17 scholarships to the 2014 class, the majority of which, we know, were turned down.. So, the results can be criticized , for sure.. But to say no effort was made, is just a uneducated inference.
So again, another statement that just doesn't make sense....
But yeah...TRUTH! Yay..
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Boo, most of those guys they offered committed a long long time ago. McCullough was committed by January of LAST year. Whitehead committed in what, September? Since then who has the staff gone to seen?
Granted, you don't always know. But over 7 months you can get a sense of who a staff is recruiting when they repeatedly go to see different teams play. Our staff has been to see Briscoe and Diallo and Jesse G etc. all 2015 kids.
I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
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I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
The problem as I see it , is that the staff knew they were losing GG & Sanchez and did not replace them. Why weren't they (the staff) getting replacements? Please don't say ADR because last summer he wasn't considered to be a Big East player.
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I don't know how you can offer spots that haven't opened up. We have three slots opening up. They really need to fill Gif and Sanchez's spots. The Delarosa brothers may or may not do that. At least we will be bigger inside. Marco's spot may be filled by Lipscomb. We'll see.
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What will change? Where are the recruits?
1 NCAA appearance with Norms players.
Lavin can recruit but can't do anything with the talent.
Player after player taking weeks off in the middle of the season for questionable reasons
Where is Felix?
Obekpa regressing and talking about the D league
Starting little used walk on in crucial games
They don't deserve an extension PERIOD. Someone posted tester day that Lavin (in 4 years had a losing record in the Big East) If you factor in the great first year and this year against a week Big East, then how does that deserve an extension? But you know the dopes on the committee will do it cause its easier to keep the status quo then to make the change. In a couple of years from now when we are Big East Cellar Dwellers, you will all realize that not making the change wasted many more years of real basketball at SJU.
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I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
The problem as I see it , is that the staff knew they were losing GG & Sanchez and did not replace them. Why weren't they (the staff) getting replacements? Please don't say ADR because last summer he wasn't considered to be a Big East player.
The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
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OK lets go out sign a mid major coach or a career asst coach and lets sees how we do......... some guys on this board must think we are Duke, Kentucky or Carolina. Lav will be given the time to get it right and i think he deserves a little support. Getting a little bored coming to this site and reading the same old same old.
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OK lets go out sign a mid major coach or a career asst coach and lets sees how we do......... some guys on this board must think we are Duke, Kentucky or Carolina. Lav will be given the time to get it right and i think he deserves a little support. Getting a little bored coming to this site and reading the same old same old.
So you think that a big time GOOD coach would not consider an offer with Lavins current salary and playing at MSG? When are you all going to wake up?
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The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
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This, is conspiracy bs Linda. And it makes it easy for the Koolaid drinkers to lump all critics together with you and your loony rants.
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Very easy to defend Lavin against these type of nice personic posts.
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OK lets go out sign a mid major coach or a career asst coach and lets sees how we do.........
That sounds like a great idea to me. What do we have to lose?
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I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
The problem as I see it , is that the staff knew they were losing GG & Sanchez and did not replace them. Why weren't they (the staff) getting replacements? Please don't say ADR because last summer he wasn't considered to be a Big East player.
The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
This, is conspiracy bs Linda. And it makes it easy for the Koolaid drinkers to lump all critics together with you and your loony rants.
edit: I'm as critical of the staff as anybody sometimes, but they didn't go 0-15. Lavin has a lot of faults, but him and Chiles can recruit very well together. They don't strikeout on an entire class.
Nobody's told me this but it seems pretty obvious they wanted to add or two pieces this year - probably were a little overconfident with Whitehead (and you can't blame them for not landing him), and then add a backup bigman to replace Gift/Sanchez.
The problem with that strategy is they struck out on IW, and there's a chance they could lose CO.
That leaves us with ADR and being extremely young again in 2015. I blame coach for how he approached this recruiting cycle, but I don't believe for a second he struck out on 15 recruits. I think he only had 3 or 4 actual targets.
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I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
The problem as I see it , is that the staff knew they were losing GG & Sanchez and did not replace them. Why weren't they (the staff) getting replacements? Please don't say ADR because last summer he wasn't considered to be a Big East player.
The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
This, is conspiracy bs Linda. I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
The problem as I see it , is that the staff knew they were losing GG & Sanchez and did not replace them. Why weren't they (the staff) getting replacements? Please don't say ADR because last summer he wasn't considered to be a Big East player.
The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
This, is conspiracy bs Linda. And it makes it easy for the Koolaid drinkers to lump all critics together with you and your loony rants.
Loony? I think when all is said and done, those who understand the game and the situation will realize that my rants have been as many posters like to say, "spot on" I was one of the first on this site to question what was going on with recruiting as we were missing out on one recruit after another these past two years but the Koolaid drinkers kept stating that we had no schollies available and Lavinn really didn't want this kid or that kid when in fact they were in hot pursuit of many. Then Moose started to say the same thing and people listened. Realistically, I don't care who gets credit for it as long as the word gets out there.
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OK lets go out sign a mid major coach or a career asst coach and lets sees how we do.........
That sounds like a great idea to me. What do we have to lose?
He was being sarcastic....you knew that, right?
I'm surprised how many are willing ( besides the lunatic fringe) to blow it all up after Lavins 4th season, which, lets be honest, has seen moderate improvement each season (after season 1 with all the seniors, but we aren't giving Lavin credit for that anyway, right?)) Before everyone jumps down my throat, that isn't just my opinion.. It's a fact, based on wins, standings in the BE.
Everyone expected to be in the NCAA this season. Yes, it is a disappointment, but blow it up, for a mid-major coach? Who, may I ask? You guys do realize that the mid-major guys that have made the jump recently haven't exactly had high success rate.. Also, you guy really trust the powers that be to hire the right guy? What happens after a couple of years if we still stink? Blow it up again? Sounds fun.
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OK lets go out sign a mid major coach or a career asst coach and lets sees how we do.........
That sounds like a great idea to me. What do we have to lose?
He was being sarcastic....you knew that, right?
I'm surprised how many are willing ( besides the lunatic fringe) to blow it all up after Lavins 4th season, which, lets be honest, has seen moderate improvement each season (after season 1 with all the seniors, but we aren't giving Lavin credit for that anyway, right?)) Before everyone jumps down my throat, that isn't just my opinion.. It's a fact, based on wins, standings in the BE.
Everyone expected to be in the NCAA this season. Yes, it is a disappointment, but blow it up, for a mid-major coach? Who, may I ask? You guys do realize that the mid-major guys that have made the jump recently haven't exactly had high success rate.. Also, you guy really trust the powers that be to hire the right guy? What happens after a couple of years if we still stink? Blow it up again? Sounds fun.
Agree with the stupidity of the powers that be selecting a good candidate. after all they did pick Norm Roberts and now Lavin. However, I once again think that with the kind of money that SJU is throwing around, we may surely get more then some mid major guy. Perhaps even a former NBA coach looking to get back into the college ranks. And let me ask you this Boo, when do you think that Lavins team will even be as competitive as they were this year? Next year? The year after with at best a top flight 2015 class? the year after. I think that we don't lose anything by dumping this guy now as if not we are just prolonging the inevitable as we saw with Mr. Roberts. Hey some of us oldsters would like to be around when St. John's finally gets it right.
In terms of Lavins team getting better? If we were in the same Big East as last year, would the record really be any better. Please compare apples to apples.
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OK lets go out sign a mid major coach or a career asst coach and lets sees how we do.........
That sounds like a great idea to me. What do we have to lose?
He was being sarcastic....you knew that, right?
I'm surprised how many are willing ( besides the lunatic fringe) to blow it all up after Lavins 4th season, which, lets be honest, has seen moderate improvement each season (after season 1 with all the seniors, but we aren't giving Lavin credit for that anyway, right?)) Before everyone jumps down my throat, that isn't just my opinion.. It's a fact, based on wins, standings in the BE.
Everyone expected to be in the NCAA this season. Yes, it is a disappointment, but blow it up, for a mid-major coach? Who, may I ask? You guys do realize that the mid-major guys that have made the jump recently haven't exactly had high success rate.. Also, you guy really trust the powers that be to hire the right guy? What happens after a couple of years if we still stink? Blow it up again? Sounds fun.
Agree with the stupidity of the powers that be selecting a good candidate. after all they did pick Norm Roberts and now Lavin. However, I once again think that with the kind of money that SJU is throwing around, we may surely get more then some mid major guy. Perhaps even a former NBA coach looking to get back into the college ranks. And let me ask you this Boo, when do you think that Lavins team will even be as competitive as they were this year? Next year? The year after with at best a top flight 2015 class? the year after. I think that we don't lose anything by dumping this guy now as if not we are just prolonging the inevitable as we saw with Mr. Roberts. Hey some of us oldsters would like to be around when St. John's finally gets it right.
In terms of Lavins team getting better? If we were in the same Big East as last year, would the record really be any better. Please compare apples to apples.
weren't you Pro Lavin when he got hired ?
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OK lets go out sign a mid major coach or a career asst coach and lets sees how we do.........
That sounds like a great idea to me. What do we have to lose?
He was being sarcastic....you knew that, right?
I'm surprised how many are willing ( besides the lunatic fringe) to blow it all up after Lavins 4th season, which, lets be honest, has seen moderate improvement each season (after season 1 with all the seniors, but we aren't giving Lavin credit for that anyway, right?)) Before everyone jumps down my throat, that isn't just my opinion.. It's a fact, based on wins, standings in the BE.
Everyone expected to be in the NCAA this season. Yes, it is a disappointment, but blow it up, for a mid-major coach? Who, may I ask? You guys do realize that the mid-major guys that have made the jump recently haven't exactly had high success rate.. Also, you guy really trust the powers that be to hire the right guy? What happens after a couple of years if we still stink? Blow it up again? Sounds fun.
Agree with the stupidity of the powers that be selecting a good candidate. after all they did pick Norm Roberts and now Lavin. However, I once again think that with the kind of money that SJU is throwing around, we may surely get more then some mid major guy. Perhaps even a former NBA coach looking to get back into the college ranks. And let me ask you this Boo, when do you think that Lavins team will even be as competitive as they were this year? Next year? The year after with at best a top flight 2015 class? the year after. I think that we don't lose anything by dumping this guy now as if not we are just prolonging the inevitable as we saw with Mr. Roberts. Hey some of us oldsters would like to be around when St. John's finally gets it right.
In terms of Lavins team getting better? If we were in the same Big East as last year, would the record really be any better. Please compare apples to apples.
weren't you Pro Lavin when he got hired ?
Yes I was but they were running a sale on Koolaid then. It was buy two and get 10 free I believe. :-)
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I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
The problem as I see it , is that the staff knew they were losing GG & Sanchez and did not replace them. Why weren't they (the staff) getting replacements? Please don't say ADR because last summer he wasn't considered to be a Big East player.
The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
This, is conspiracy bs Linda. And it makes it easy for the Koolaid drinkers to lump all critics together with you and your loony rants.
edit: I'm as critical of the staff as anybody sometimes, but they didn't go 0-15. Lavin has a lot of faults, but him and Chiles can recruit very well together. They don't strikeout on an entire class.
Nobody's told me this but it seems pretty obvious they wanted to add or two pieces this year - probably were a little overconfident with Whitehead (and you can't blame them for not landing him), and then add a backup bigman to replace Gift/Sanchez.
The problem with that strategy is they struck out on IW, and there's a chance they could lose CO.
That leaves us with ADR and being extremely young again in 2015. I blame coach for how he approached this recruiting cycle, but I don't believe for a second he struck out on 15 recruits. I think he only had 3 or 4 actual targets.
You're right, I think it was 0-14 but it was well documented. There were kids we lost to Baylor, SMU, Syracuse, Ciccinatti etc. etc. etc. I dint make this up at all.
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OK lets go out sign a mid major coach or a career asst coach and lets sees how we do.........
That sounds like a great idea to me. What do we have to lose?
He was being sarcastic....you knew that, right?
Yea of course, but he proposed it like it was an absurd alternative - it's not! That probably should be the course of action.
I'm not as worried about "blowing it up" as you are, because what are we losing exactly? We're still not winning, even with Lavin's recruits; and no one's going to the games. So what do we have to lose?
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The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
This, is conspiracy bs Linda. And it makes it easy for the Koolaid drinkers to lump all critics together with you and your loony rants.
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Very easy to defend Lavin against these type of nice personic posts.
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If I had the time I could list the names but I can't be bothered, nor can I remember, except for many McCullough, Wainright, the kid that went to Baylor or Cinci etc. However it was well documented in several news articles in the NY papers. But thanks for your your idiotic and as usual negative response, at least you remain consistent.
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Well, for all the debate, the bottom line/reality is that the staff is going nowhere.. So, a fan like myself, will hope for the best that this group gets it together, uses this season as motivation, and is successful next season and gets in the NCAA
We can argue back in forth all we want, but nothing is changing.. So you can get on board, or continue to piss and moan all off-season and next, and likely the season after that. Choice is yours.
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Only thing I hope for is that the staff learns from mistakes this year. Two more wins and we probably get a bid with our SOS. Enough of the insane rotations for the first 1/3 of the schedule, enough of the starting walk-ons, and enough with strategy that doesn't play to our strengths.
Some head coaches and staffs improve over the course of time, much like players. Let's hope ours do.
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Everyone keeps comparing SJU to the old BE but how is the rest of the old BE teams doing in their new conferences....Cuse is bout the same if not worse lately...Does anybody think they will make it to the final 4? Would Louisville be THAT much higher seeded if they were in the BE? What about Pitt and UCONN? ND got spanked this year. To be fair we cannot just compare SJU to the old BE, but all the teams. ACC is not that much better with the recently added teams. They got as many as the A10...Getting 40% of our league in is pretty good in a round Robin tournament.
Histoorically speaking the teams that led the BE have gone on to do worse. Cuse has a lot of influence but let's see what happens when Boheim retires and the Southern schools do not want to have the ACC tournament in NY?
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Say what you want about Lavin but this team won 20+ games this year. This was the only year so far where we did not reach expectations. The school would be out of their mind to replace him for his first poor year (which like I said, was still a 20 win season)
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Say what you want about Lavin but this team won 20+ games this year. This was the only year so far where we did not reach expectations. The school would be out of their mind to replace him for his first poor year (which like I said, was still a 20 win season)
20 win seasons aren't what they used to be since teams play more games now
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It is not easy to bring in a top level coach to NYC period in today's word of multi media and internet. Donovan could of been the toast of broadway with saving the SJU program but instead stay with a universty where there are two seasons football season...waiting for football season. Floridea is probably just as pumped for the NFL dead as they are being a #1 seed.
The taxes in NYC are high so how much Is Lavin REALLY making? We couldn't even get Hewitt or Greenberg for crying out loud but on sure throwing money at something is the NYC way and it always works like Rangers, Mets, especially Yanks in the 80s... Except for the Giants and Yankees most of our teams are historic because they were founding members of leagues. As bad as the Knicks have been they have been to MORE finals recent then the Rangers!! Ponder that for a moment....
If Lavin needs an extension for recruiting sake give it to him the team is improving but if I am the AD I might be thinking of a just in case plan B and if the the shit hits the fan next year I might be putting that plan into action... Blowing shit up for the sake of it is only really cool when your playing GI Joes for real life planning and organizations it is usually bad for business.
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Perhaps even a former NBA coach looking to get back into the college ranks.
PJ Carlesimo perhaps?
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Perhaps even a former NBA coach looking to get back into the college ranks.
PJ Carlesimo perhaps?
Does Latrell Spreewell going to have to choke A biotch?!
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Perhaps even a former NBA coach looking to get back into the college ranks.
PJ Carlesimo perhaps?
Mike Woodson is already in the building. Let's get him before Indiana does.
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I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
The problem as I see it , is that the staff knew they were losing GG & Sanchez and did not replace them. Why weren't they (the staff) getting replacements? Please don't say ADR because last summer he wasn't considered to be a Big East player.
The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
This, is conspiracy bs Linda. And it makes it easy for the Koolaid drinkers to lump all critics together with you and your loony rants.
edit: I'm as critical of the staff as anybody sometimes, but they didn't go 0-15. Lavin has a lot of faults, but him and Chiles can recruit very well together. They don't strikeout on an entire class.
Nobody's told me this but it seems pretty obvious they wanted to add or two pieces this year - probably were a little overconfident with Whitehead (and you can't blame them for not landing him), and then add a backup bigman to replace Gift/Sanchez.
The problem with that strategy is they struck out on IW, and there's a chance they could lose CO.
That leaves us with ADR and being extremely young again in 2015. I blame coach for how he approached this recruiting cycle, but I don't believe for a second he struck out on 15 recruits. I think he only had 3 or 4 actual targets.
You're right, I think it was 0-14 but it was well documented. There were kids we lost to Baylor, SMU, Syracuse, Ciccinatti etc. etc. etc. I dint make this up at all.
No' it's not well documented. Wainwright is playing for Baylor right now, same goes for Jermaine Lawrence the only recruit we've lost to Cinci. Class of 2013 chief.
We did lose McCullough to Cuse, but he verbaled in December 2012, so he hasn't been available for 15 months so I can barely count him towards this cycle.
And we lost Whitehead. For reasons well documented.
The staff only targeted a few players in this years class. If you want to think they went 0-14, go ahead. But you're wrong.
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Perhaps even a former NBA coach looking to get back into the college ranks.
PJ Carlesimo perhaps?
lol !!
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Say what you want about Lavin but this team won 20+ games this year. This was the only year so far where we did not reach expectations. The school would be out of their mind to replace him for his first poor year (which like I said, was still a 20 win season)
Those 20wins don't mean what they used to. For one, our regular season had 31 games instead of they usual 30. But more importantly this was the easiest schedule a St. John's team has faced in a long time. We had the 50th hardest schedule this year, in2010 we had the 7th, even last year the SOS was in the 20s. I'm not interested in beating up on the conference, but that is a big difference.
An extra game and a much easier schedule can hide a lot of warts.
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Say what you want about Lavin but this team won 20+ games this year. This was the only year so far where we did not reach expectations. The school would be out of their mind to replace him for his first poor year (which like I said, was still a 20 win season)
Those 20wins don't mean what they used to. For one, our regular season had 31 games instead of they usual 30. But more importantly this was the easiest schedule a St. John's team has faced in a long time. We had the 50th hardest schedule this year, in2010 we had the 7th, even last year the SOS was in the 20s. I'm not interested in beating up on the conference, but that is a big difference.
An extra game and a much easier schedule can hide a lot of warts.
Point is even though we failed to meet expectations, we still had a pretty good record. This wasn't a 15-16 season. I know you are anti Lavin and I understand the issues with some of his deficiencies but you really think he deserves to be removed after his first underachieving season granted all the things he has done for this program?
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Perhaps even a former NBA coach looking to get back into the college ranks.
PJ Carlesimo perhaps?
lol !!
He's leagues better than what we have now.
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Perhaps even a former NBA coach looking to get back into the college ranks.
PJ Carlesimo perhaps?
Was hoping Mark Jackson? But don't realistically think that will happen.
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I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
The problem as I see it , is that the staff knew they were losing GG & Sanchez and did not replace them. Why weren't they (the staff) getting replacements? Please don't say ADR because last summer he wasn't considered to be a Big East player.
The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
This, is conspiracy bs Linda. And it makes it easy for the Koolaid drinkers to lump all critics together with you and your loony rants.
edit: I'm as critical of the staff as anybody sometimes, but they didn't go 0-15. Lavin has a lot of faults, but him and Chiles can recruit very well together. They don't strikeout on an entire class.
Nobody's told me this but it seems pretty obvious they wanted to add or two pieces this year - probably were a little overconfident with Whitehead (and you can't blame them for not landing him), and then add a backup bigman to replace Gift/Sanchez.
The problem with that strategy is they struck out on IW, and there's a chance they could lose CO.
That leaves us with ADR and being extremely young again in 2015. I blame coach for how he approached this recruiting cycle, but I don't believe for a second he struck out on 15 recruits. I think he only had 3 or 4 actual targets.
You're right, I think it was 0-14 but it was well documented. There were kids we lost to Baylor, SMU, Syracuse, Ciccinatti etc. etc. etc. I dint make this up at all.
No' it's not well documented. Wainwright is playing for Baylor right now, same goes for Jermaine Lawrence the only recruit we've lost to Cinci. Class of 2013 chief.
We did lose McCullough to Cuse, but he verbaled in December 2012, so he hasn't been available for 15 months so I can barely count him towards this cycle.
And we lost Whitehead. For reasons well documented.
The staff only targeted a few players in this years class. If you want to think they went 0-14, go ahead. But you're wrong.
Nope you are absolutely wrong. You are either unaware of what transpired or have a bad memory. We also lost kids to NC State, LSU, UCLA etc. Again, I can't remember the names but know that there was a pair of kids that many thought to be a package deal. One was a strongly built power forward and the other a guard. Not sure where they ended up but many sites had us listed with these kids and many posters mentioned them as well. You must be a new bee to this fan board.
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Perhaps even a former NBA coach looking to get back into the college ranks.
PJ Carlesimo perhaps?
Was hoping Mark Jackson? But don't realistically think that will happen.
Metta World Peace said he would love to coach at SJU someday.
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Say what you want about Lavin but this team won 20+ games this year. This was the only year so far where we did not reach expectations. The school would be out of their mind to replace him for his first poor year (which like I said, was still a 20 win season)
Those 20wins don't mean what they used to. For one, our regular season had 31 games instead of they usual 30. But more importantly this was the easiest schedule a St. John's team has faced in a long time. We had the 50th hardest schedule this year, in2010 we had the 7th, even last year the SOS was in the 20s. I'm not interested in beating up on the conference, but that is a big difference.
An extra game and a much easier schedule can hide a lot of warts.
Point is even though we failed to meet expectations, we still had a pretty good record. This wasn't a 15-16 season. I know you are anti Lavin and I understand the issues with some of his deficiencies but you really think he deserves to be removed after his first underachieving season granted all the things he has done for this program?
You're right that it wasn't a terrible season. We've seen much worse of course. But I think we failed to meet expectations last year too. And while normally just missing the tournament wouldn't be a huge failure, I'm concerned because I can't see how things can get any better. I don't know when he'll ever have more talent and experience than he did this season.
How often does a college team return all it's starters and depth and add a highly touted recruit to boot? That's my thinking anyway.
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I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
The problem as I see it , is that the staff knew they were losing GG & Sanchez and did not replace them. Why weren't they (the staff) getting replacements? Please don't say ADR because last summer he wasn't considered to be a Big East player.
The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
This, is conspiracy bs Linda. And it makes it easy for the Koolaid drinkers to lump all critics together with you and your loony rants.
edit: I'm as critical of the staff as anybody sometimes, but they didn't go 0-15. Lavin has a lot of faults, but him and Chiles can recruit very well together. They don't strikeout on an entire class.
Nobody's told me this but it seems pretty obvious they wanted to add or two pieces this year - probably were a little overconfident with Whitehead (and you can't blame them for not landing him), and then add a backup bigman to replace Gift/Sanchez.
The problem with that strategy is they struck out on IW, and there's a chance they could lose CO.
That leaves us with ADR and being extremely young again in 2015. I blame coach for how he approached this recruiting cycle, but I don't believe for a second he struck out on 15 recruits. I think he only had 3 or 4 actual targets.
You're right, I think it was 0-14 but it was well documented. There were kids we lost to Baylor, SMU, Syracuse, Ciccinatti etc. etc. etc. I dint make this up at all.
No' it's not well documented. Wainwright is playing for Baylor right now, same goes for Jermaine Lawrence the only recruit we've lost to Cinci. Class of 2013 chief.
We did lose McCullough to Cuse, but he verbaled in December 2012, so he hasn't been available for 15 months so I can barely count him towards this cycle.
And we lost Whitehead. For reasons well documented.
The staff only targeted a few players in this years class. If you want to think they went 0-14, go ahead. But you're wrong.
Add Amir Jefferson of Duke who we lost and Ricardo Gathers of Baylor and countless more. I know there are other posters on this site who may remember Lavins other misses, how about a hand here? lol
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Perhaps even a former NBA coach looking to get back into the college ranks.
PJ Carlesimo perhaps?
Was hoping Mark Jackson? But don't realistically think that will happen.
Metta World Peace said he would love to coach at SJU someday.
Sadly, even he would be an improvement over the present staff.
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Say what you want about Lavin but this team won 20+ games this year. This was the only year so far where we did not reach expectations. The school would be out of their mind to replace him for his first poor year (which like I said, was still a 20 win season)
Those 20wins don't mean what they used to. For one, our regular season had 31 games instead of they usual 30. But more importantly this was the easiest schedule a St. John's team has faced in a long time. We had the 50th hardest schedule this year, in2010 we had the 7th, even last year the SOS was in the 20s. I'm not interested in beating up on the conference, but that is a big difference.
An extra game and a much easier schedule can hide a lot of warts.
Point is even though we failed to meet expectations, we still had a pretty good record. This wasn't a 15-16 season. I know you are anti Lavin and I understand the issues with some of his deficiencies but you really think he deserves to be removed after his first underachieving season granted all the things he has done for this program?
You're right that it wasn't a terrible season. We've seen much worse of course. But I think we failed to meet expectations last year too. And while normally just missing the tournament wouldn't be a huge failure, I'm concerned because I can't see how things can get any better. I don't know when he'll ever have more talent and experience than he did this season.
How often does a college team return all it's starters and depth and add a highly touted recruit to boot? That's my thinking anyway.
Fair points, respect your opinion. We'll just have to wait and see
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I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
The problem as I see it , is that the staff knew they were losing GG & Sanchez and did not replace them. Why weren't they (the staff) getting replacements? Please don't say ADR because last summer he wasn't considered to be a Big East player.
The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
This, is conspiracy bs Linda. And it makes it easy for the Koolaid drinkers to lump all critics together with you and your loony rants.
edit: I'm as critical of the staff as anybody sometimes, but they didn't go 0-15. Lavin has a lot of faults, but him and Chiles can recruit very well together. They don't strikeout on an entire class.
Nobody's told me this but it seems pretty obvious they wanted to add or two pieces this year - probably were a little overconfident with Whitehead (and you can't blame them for not landing him), and then add a backup bigman to replace Gift/Sanchez.
The problem with that strategy is they struck out on IW, and there's a chance they could lose CO.
That leaves us with ADR and being extremely young again in 2015. I blame coach for how he approached this recruiting cycle, but I don't believe for a second he struck out on 15 recruits. I think he only had 3 or 4 actual targets.
You're right, I think it was 0-14 but it was well documented. There were kids we lost to Baylor, SMU, Syracuse, Ciccinatti etc. etc. etc. I dint make this up at all.
No' it's not well documented. Wainwright is playing for Baylor right now, same goes for Jermaine Lawrence the only recruit we've lost to Cinci. Class of 2013 chief.
We did lose McCullough to Cuse, but he verbaled in December 2012, so he hasn't been available for 15 months so I can barely count him towards this cycle.
And we lost Whitehead. For reasons well documented.
The staff only targeted a few players in this years class. If you want to think they went 0-14, go ahead. But you're wrong.
Add Amir Jefferson of Duke who we lost and Ricardo Gathers of Baylor and countless more. I know there are other posters on this site who may remember Lavins other misses, how about a hand here? lol
Yeah because no program ever misses a target. Also you are talking about a different class
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I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
The problem as I see it , is that the staff knew they were losing GG & Sanchez and did not replace them. Why weren't they (the staff) getting replacements? Please don't say ADR because last summer he wasn't considered to be a Big East player.
The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
This, is conspiracy bs Linda. And it makes it easy for the Koolaid drinkers to lump all critics together with you and your loony rants.
edit: I'm as critical of the staff as anybody sometimes, but they didn't go 0-15. Lavin has a lot of faults, but him and Chiles can recruit very well together. They don't strikeout on an entire class.
Nobody's told me this but it seems pretty obvious they wanted to add or two pieces this year - probably were a little overconfident with Whitehead (and you can't blame them for not landing him), and then add a backup bigman to replace Gift/Sanchez.
The problem with that strategy is they struck out on IW, and there's a chance they could lose CO.
That leaves us with ADR and being extremely young again in 2015. I blame coach for how he approached this recruiting cycle, but I don't believe for a second he struck out on 15 recruits. I think he only had 3 or 4 actual targets.
You're right, I think it was 0-14 but it was well documented. There were kids we lost to Baylor, SMU, Syracuse, Ciccinatti etc. etc. etc. I dint make this up at all.
No' it's not well documented. Wainwright is playing for Baylor right now, same goes for Jermaine Lawrence the only recruit we've lost to Cinci. Class of 2013 chief.
We did lose McCullough to Cuse, but he verbaled in December 2012, so he hasn't been available for 15 months so I can barely count him towards this cycle.
And we lost Whitehead. For reasons well documented.
The staff only targeted a few players in this years class. If you want to think they went 0-14, go ahead. But you're wrong.
Add Amir Jefferson of Duke who we lost and Ricardo Gathers of Baylor and countless more. I know there are other posters on this site who may remember Lavins other misses, how about a hand here? lol
Yeah because no program ever misses a target. Also you are talking about a different class
How about Jarell Martin on LSU?
Talking about players from the 12 and 13 class, but the great recruiter missed on every front court player he went after for the past two recruiting seasons
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I don't fault their effort, when they choose to this staff can recruit their asses off. I think a strategic decision was made to look ahead to 2015, and offer more pt to the studs in that class.
I think that was the mistake. I'm not calling them lazy, they're not. But I think they made a misjudgment that everyone would be back and there would be no big holes.
The problem as I see it , is that the staff knew they were losing GG & Sanchez and did not replace them. Why weren't they (the staff) getting replacements? Please don't say ADR because last summer he wasn't considered to be a Big East player.
The staff did try to get in some front court help as they went 0-15 in that effort. They just couldn't get the job done. All this crap about holding out for a big 2015 class is a smokescreen of the real issues at hand. But you will all find that out soon enough.
This, is conspiracy bs Linda. And it makes it easy for the Koolaid drinkers to lump all critics together with you and your loony rants.
edit: I'm as critical of the staff as anybody sometimes, but they didn't go 0-15. Lavin has a lot of faults, but him and Chiles can recruit very well together. They don't strikeout on an entire class.
Nobody's told me this but it seems pretty obvious they wanted to add or two pieces this year - probably were a little overconfident with Whitehead (and you can't blame them for not landing him), and then add a backup bigman to replace Gift/Sanchez.
The problem with that strategy is they struck out on IW, and there's a chance they could lose CO.
That leaves us with ADR and being extremely young again in 2015. I blame coach for how he approached this recruiting cycle, but I don't believe for a second he struck out on 15 recruits. I think he only had 3 or 4 actual targets.
You're right, I think it was 0-14 but it was well documented. There were kids we lost to Baylor, SMU, Syracuse, Ciccinatti etc. etc. etc. I dint make this up at all.
No' it's not well documented. Wainwright is playing for Baylor right now, same goes for Jermaine Lawrence the only recruit we've lost to Cinci. Class of 2013 chief.
We did lose McCullough to Cuse, but he verbaled in December 2012, so he hasn't been available for 15 months so I can barely count him towards this cycle.
And we lost Whitehead. For reasons well documented.
The staff only targeted a few players in this years class. If you want to think they went 0-14, go ahead. But you're wrong.
Add Amir Jefferson of Duke who we lost and Ricardo Gathers of Baylor and countless more. I know there are other posters on this site who may remember Lavins other misses, how about a hand here? lol
Yeah because no program ever misses a target. Also you are talking about a different class
How about Jarell Martin on LSU?
Talking about players from the 12 and 13 class, but the great recruiter missed on every front court player he went after for the past two recruiting seasons
One spot to fill in 2013. I think we did all right grabbing Rysheed Jordan. I may be wrong but the last time I checked this recruiting season wasn't over either.
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Say what you want about Lavin but this team won 20+ games this year. This was the only year so far where we did not reach expectations. The school would be out of their mind to replace him for his first poor year (which like I said, was still a 20 win season)
Those 20wins don't mean what they used to. For one, our regular season had 31 games instead of they usual 30. But more importantly this was the easiest schedule a St. John's team has faced in a long time. We had the 50th hardest schedule this year, in2010 we had the 7th, even last year the SOS was in the 20s. I'm not interested in beating up on the conference, but that is a big difference.
An extra game and a much easier schedule can hide a lot of warts.
Point is even though we failed to meet expectations, we still had a pretty good record. This wasn't a 15-16 season. I know you are anti Lavin and I understand the issues with some of his deficiencies but you really think he deserves to be removed after his first underachieving season granted all the things he has done for this program?
You're right that it wasn't a terrible season. We've seen much worse of course. But I think we failed to meet expectations last year too. And while normally just missing the tournament wouldn't be a huge failure, I'm concerned because I can't see how things can get any better. I don't know when he'll ever have more talent and experience than he did this season.
How often does a college team return all it's starters and depth and add a highly touted recruit to boot? That's my thinking anyway.
In the Norm days of mediocre expectations, this year would have been a resounding success but Coach Lavin came in talking National Championships and Big East Championships. And the funniest thing about Lavin is that in his usual BS mode, HE CLAIMED ON THE FAN THAT HE HAD THREE STRAIGHT TOP 10 RECRUITING CLASSES (which we all know is BS) but if that were the case, then HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN AS A COACH OF THREE TOP 10 RECRUITING CLASSES THAT YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE DANCE? Its just unreal, the stuff that comes out of his mouth.
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OK lets go out sign a mid major coach or a career asst coach and lets sees how we do......... some guys on this board must think we are Duke, Kentucky or Carolina. Lav will be given the time to get it right and i think he deserves a little support. Getting a little bored coming to this site and reading the same old same old.
So you think that a big time GOOD coach would not consider an offer with Lavins current salary and playing at MSG? When are you all going to wake up?
Lavin wasn't the first, second, or third choice. So tell us why other "GOOD" coaches turned us down? Or are you even aware that they did?
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OK lets go out sign a mid major coach or a career asst coach and lets sees how we do......... some guys on this board must think we are Duke, Kentucky or Carolina. Lav will be given the time to get it right and i think he deserves a little support. Getting a little bored coming to this site and reading the same old same old.
So you think that a big time GOOD coach would not consider an offer with Lavins current salary and playing at MSG? When are you all going to wake up?
Lavin wasn't the first, second, or third choice. So tell us why other "GOOD" coaches turned us down? Or are you even aware that they did?
I am more aware of more then you would think. But I believe that at that particular time, there may have been less available coaches to take the job. But I also believe that since St. John's has historically run its program as a small time mom and pop operation,with poor pay that many coaches may have steered clear of the NY media hassle for little compensation. If the word got out that there was a $2,000,000 salary involved, which I believe is about what Lavin makes, we would have good choices.
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We won 20 games. We're a 1 seed in the NIT which sucks because it means most likely one more regular season win would have put us in. We finished a little worse than I thought we would. Tied for 3rd in the BE.
Most don't think the NIT means much, but lets win the damn thing. It will give our guys confidence going into next year.
I wish the board would just come to terms that Lavin is our coach. Kind of silly all the complaining that is done about him. We finished a bit below expectations this year. If Norm EVER won 20 games here the majority of the fans would be calling for an extension. Tough bubble this year, I think most seasons we'd sneak in. Personally, I think we deserved a bid more than Nebraska or NC State, but no excuses as we controlled our own destiny against Providence.
Next year we should be better and if we fall short again, which is doubtful, then you can start discussing new head coaches. But, I think we'll be in, and probably a decent seed too.
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OK lets go out sign a mid major coach or a career asst coach and lets sees how we do......... some guys on this board must think we are Duke, Kentucky or Carolina. Lav will be given the time to get it right and i think he deserves a little support. Getting a little bored coming to this site and reading the same old same old.
So you think that a big time GOOD coach would not consider an offer with Lavins current salary and playing at MSG? When are you all going to wake up?
Lavin wasn't the first, second, or third choice. So tell us why other "GOOD" coaches turned us down? Or are you even aware that they did?
I am more aware of more then you would think. But I believe that at that particular time, there may have been less available coaches to take the job. But I also believe that since St. John's has historically run its program as a small time mom and pop operation,with poor pay that many coaches may have steered clear of the NY media hassle for little compensation. If the word got out that there was a $2,000,000 salary involved, which I believe is about what Lavin makes, we would have good choices.
Coaches new what SJU was looking to spend, they turned it down. What you are failing to realize is the situation our program was in at the time. Other programs are just as good if not better and good coaches with track records don't need SJU when they are most likely already at establish places making similar if not more money. Before Lavin came here it was all over the media how SJU and MSG isn't an attractive selling point for recruits like it once was, since Lavin got here, that now all changed. It changed because of Lavin, like it or not, he changed the perception of the program. He alone brought credibility to the program. Although we haven't seen the success yet, the process is well underway.
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For the past decade this program was a joke. We aspired to make the NIT and many years we were on the bubble for that. Have we forgot? Now we as fans are expecting to make the NCAA tourney and if we don't, its a bad year. The staff deserves an extension, we are improving every year, they know what they are doing.
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For the past decade this program was a joke. We aspired to make the NIT and many years we were on the bubble for that. Have we forgot? Now we as fans are expecting to make the NCAA tourney and if we don't, its a bad year. The staff deserves an extension, we are improving every year, they know what they are doing.
Surprisingly, the majority of the fan base actually has forgotten how bad we were for the past decade. At least, that's the only explanation I can come up with for the amount of hate for this regime.
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For the past decade this program was a joke. We aspired to make the NIT and many years we were on the bubble for that. Have we forgot? Now we as fans are expecting to make the NCAA tourney and if we don't, its a bad year. The staff deserves an extension, we are improving every year, they know what they are doing.
Surprisingly, the majority of the fan base actually has forgotten how bad we were for the past decade. At least, that's the only explanation I can come up with for the amount of hate for this regime.
It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference. And another thing I don't understand is that if you watch the team play game in and game out with no semblance of offensive structure, a lack of fundamentals , which many love to blame on player IQ ( which is nonsense), and just overall team chemistry ( players sulking on the bench, others refusing to go in) and an obvious poor use of team personnel ( note Max and Marco), how do you justify the continuance of the Lavin experiment?
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
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It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference.
So you believe that 25 years ago is a more accurate representation of the state of the program as opposed to the prior 10 years of Lavin's hire? I think that says it all about your ability to look at things rationally.
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
So remind me I forgot, exactly how many NBA all star talent players were on the team Lavin's first year here when he brought us to the NCAA tourney for the first time in a decade?
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For the past decade this program was a joke. We aspired to make the NIT and many years we were on the bubble for that. Have we forgot? Now we as fans are expecting to make the NCAA tourney and if we don't, its a bad year. The staff deserves an extension, we are improving every year, they know what they are doing.
Surprisingly, the majority of the fan base actually has forgotten how bad we were for the past decade. At least, that's the only explanation I can come up with for the amount of hate for this regime.
It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference. And another thing I don't understand is that if you watch the team play game in and game out with no semblance of offensive structure, a lack of fundamentals , which many love to blame on player IQ ( which is nonsense), and just overall team chemistry ( players sulking on the bench, others refusing to go in) and an obvious poor use of team personnel ( note Max and Marco), how do you justify the continuance of the Lavin experiment?
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
Because:
1. To expect any coach to be as successful as Louie is not realistic.
2. College basketball has changed a lot since the Louie days.
3. We were a dead program. Jarvis/Roberts took us completely off the map. To have expected Lavin to snap his fingers and make us a consistent tournament team was unrealistic.
It's also funny to me that there are little to no complaints about the offensive structure when we win. The offense looks great when we win! Although it doesn't really change much, it's all about execution. There were little to no complaints about it in Lavin's first season.
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3. We were a dead program. Jarvis/Roberts took us completely off the map. To have expected Lavin to snap his fingers and make us a consistent tournament team was unrealistic.
Norm makes the NIT: we're completely off the map.
Lavin makes the NIT: we're back baby!
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Bad things about this year.
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Losing the Providence game.
No offensive system in place.
Still not a good shooting team
Terrible rebounding team
Help for the frontcourt is not yet on the way
No recruits coming in ( so far ) who can play in our top 8
Can't run a fastbreak.
Can't make layups.
Anything else ?
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Bad things about this year.
0 - 5
Losing the Providence game.
No offensive system in place.
Still not a good shooting team
Terrible rebounding team
Help for the frontcourt is not yet on the way
No recruits coming in ( so far ) who can play in our top 8
Can't run a fastbreak.
Can't make layups.
Anything else ?
Staff never figured the rotations out
Regression of Dom Pointer
Ball screen defense
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Bad things about this year.
0 - 5
Losing the Providence game.
No offensive system in place.
Still not a good shooting team
Terrible rebounding team
Help for the frontcourt is not yet on the way
No recruits coming in ( so far ) who can play in our top 8
Can't run a fastbreak.
Can't make layups.
Anything else ?
Every one of those flaws will exist next season if Lavin is coaching.
D'Lo, Green, Pointer have all hit their ceilings. Jakarr will improve some. The only big improvement will be with Jordan who should, barring injury become the best pg in the conference possibly one of the best in the nation. Which may in itself be enough to make this a ranked team and tourney lock.... IF everyone returns and is healthy.
But how long before this teams luck with health runs out, and will Obekpa leave? If either of these two happens (and they may both happen) then it would nullify Jordans improvement and make next year another NIT dissapointment.
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It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference.
So you believe that 25 years ago is a more accurate representation of the state of the program as opposed to the prior 10 years of Lavin's hire? I think that says it all about your ability to look at things rationally.
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
So remind me I forgot, exactly how many NBA all star talent players were on the team Lavin's first year here when he brought us to the NCAA tourney for the first time in a decade?
Oh really but you look at things rationally? You are content with mediocrity so you compare his results to the worst group of coaches in the school's history? Give me a break. And it terms of his first year, the big difference....DUNLAP or did you conveniently forget about him?
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3. We were a dead program. Jarvis/Roberts took us completely off the map. To have expected Lavin to snap his fingers and make us a consistent tournament team was unrealistic.
Norm makes the NIT: we're completely off the map.
Lavin makes the NIT: we're back baby!
+1000000000
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For the past decade this program was a joke. We aspired to make the NIT and many years we were on the bubble for that. Have we forgot? Now we as fans are expecting to make the NCAA tourney and if we don't, its a bad year. The staff deserves an extension, we are improving every year, they know what they are doing.
Surprisingly, the majority of the fan base actually has forgotten how bad we were for the past decade. At least, that's the only explanation I can come up with for the amount of hate for this regime.
It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference. And another thing I don't understand is that if you watch the team play game in and game out with no semblance of offensive structure, a lack of fundamentals , which many love to blame on player IQ ( which is nonsense), and just overall team chemistry ( players sulking on the bench, others refusing to go in) and an obvious poor use of team personnel ( note Max and Marco), how do you justify the continuance of the Lavin experiment?
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
Because:
1. To expect any coach to be as successful as Louie is not realistic.
2. College basketball has changed a lot since the Louie days.
3. We were a dead program. Jarvis/Roberts took us completely off the map. To have expected Lavin to snap his fingers and make us a consistent tournament team was unrealistic.
It's also funny to me that there are little to no complaints about the offensive structure when we win. The offense looks great when we win! Although it doesn't really change much, it's all about execution. There were little to no complaints about it in Lavin's first season.
Snap his fingers? He has had four years and four recited classes to make the Big Dance with his players. If you think back to our little win streak when many misguided individuals were posting such absurdities as "Apologies To Coach Lavin" which was all but laughable, a good portion of the streak was due to the hot shooting of Dlo and Jakarr. I will give the devil his due with the great defensive effort the kids made, especially in the Creighton game, but that was very short lived and is the coaches job to keep the ball rolling. However, those who know the game were still commenting on the lack of ball movement and offensive structure in all but a few games.
Agree that we were dead for sometime, were two of the worst coaches in school's history ,but being in Macy's window, ( which is the only thing that Lavin accomplished) is good on the surface until you fail, then everyone notices.
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3. We were a dead program. Jarvis/Roberts took us completely off the map. To have expected Lavin to snap his fingers and make us a consistent tournament team was unrealistic.
Norm makes the NIT: we're completely off the map.
Lavin makes the NIT: we're back baby!
It Norm 6yrs to reach and lose a game in the NIT... 1 NCAA and 2 NIT (#1 seed which has been argued we just missed the tournament) appearances is waaaaayyyyy better then Norm. This NIT hurts so much because Lavin gave us hope and he let us down. There are plenty of blame for Lavin, but he is better then Norm. I don't see how last year was a let down, even if Harrison played I still do to think we make the NCAAs. He was really struggling in games. This is Lavin's first disappointing season, he himself said this was the year...criticisize and blame him, but to fire him after one season where he failed at expectations...Come on...Or tell me the better couch who is realitically available...
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For the past decade this program was a joke. We aspired to make the NIT and many years we were on the bubble for that. Have we forgot? Now we as fans are expecting to make the NCAA tourney and if we don't, its a bad year. The staff deserves an extension, we are improving every year, they know what they are doing.
Surprisingly, the majority of the fan base actually has forgotten how bad we were for the past decade. At least, that's the only explanation I can come up with for the amount of hate for this regime.
It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference. And another thing I don't understand is that if you watch the team play game in and game out with no semblance of offensive structure, a lack of fundamentals , which many love to blame on player IQ ( which is nonsense), and just overall team chemistry ( players sulking on the bench, others refusing to go in) and an obvious poor use of team personnel ( note Max and Marco), how do you justify the continuance of the Lavin experiment?
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
Because:
1. To expect any coach to be as successful as Louie is not realistic.
2. College basketball has changed a lot since the Louie days.
3. We were a dead program. Jarvis/Roberts took us completely off the map. To have expected Lavin to snap his fingers and make us a consistent tournament team was unrealistic.
It's also funny to me that there are little to no complaints about the offensive structure when we win. The offense looks great when we win! Although it doesn't really change much, it's all about execution. There were little to no complaints about it in Lavin's first season.
Snap his fingers? He has had four years and four recited classes to make the Big Dance with his players. If you think back to our little win streak when many misguided individuals were posting such absurdities as "Apologies To Coach Lavin" which was all but laughable, a good portion of the streak was due to the hot shooting of Dlo and Jakarr. I will give the devil his due with the great defensive effort the kids made, especially in the Creighton game, but that was very short lived and is the coaches job to keep the ball rolling. However, those who know the game were still commenting on the lack of ball movement and offensive structure in all but a few games.
Agree that we were dead for sometime, were two of the worst coaches in school's history ,but being in Macy's window, ( which is the only thing that Lavin accomplished) is good on the surface until you fail, then everyone notices.
Funny as the team was winning you seem to disappear as well...
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3. We were a dead program. Jarvis/Roberts took us completely off the map. To have expected Lavin to snap his fingers and make us a consistent tournament team was unrealistic.
Norm makes the NIT: we're completely off the map.
Lavin makes the NIT: we're back baby!
Where in my post did I say we were back? No one is saying we are back. But if Norm ever was a one seed in the NIT he wouldn't have been fired. People would have applauded him for that. Norms teams even on the rare occasion they were playing in the NIT, they were a low seed and knocked out in the first round.
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I would rather play in the NCAA , but getting to the garden is an accomplishment . If this team gets there I say the season has been a success .
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If we end up winning 25 or 26 games, and the NIT title that goes with 26, it would have to be looked at as a successful season...certainly better than one and done in the NCAA tournament.
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We ain't gonna get anyone better. They should utilize Lawrence Frank. He has 5 more years on his nets contract and is sitting in a hole watching film. He can do the X's and O's via Skype
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It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference.
So you believe that 25 years ago is a more accurate representation of the state of the program as opposed to the prior 10 years of Lavin's hire? I think that says it all about your ability to look at things rationally.
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
So remind me I forgot, exactly how many NBA all star talent players were on the team Lavin's first year here when he brought us to the NCAA tourney for the first time in a decade?
Oh really but you look at things rationally? You are content with mediocrity so you compare his results to the worst group of coaches in the school's history? Give me a break. And it terms of his first year, the big difference....DUNLAP or did you conveniently forget about him?
Just because I point out the fact that progress is being made doesn't mean one is accepting mediocrity. Mediocrity is what this program was before Lavin. No top rated recruits and CBI bids. Its a process and steady improvement is being made. That is a fact. Its convenient for u to not give Lavin credit for that first year success. What did Dunlap do the next year with a top 5 recruiting class and a first round NBA draft pick? Lavin is the head coach, he gets the credit.
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For the past decade this program was a joke. We aspired to make the NIT and many years we were on the bubble for that. Have we forgot? Now we as fans are expecting to make the NCAA tourney and if we don't, its a bad year. The staff deserves an extension, we are improving every year, they know what they are doing.
Surprisingly, the majority of the fan base actually has forgotten how bad we were for the past decade. At least, that's the only explanation I can come up with for the amount of hate for this regime.
It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference. And another thing I don't understand is that if you watch the team play game in and game out with no semblance of offensive structure, a lack of fundamentals , which many love to blame on player IQ ( which is nonsense), and just overall team chemistry ( players sulking on the bench, others refusing to go in) and an obvious poor use of team personnel ( note Max and Marco), how do you justify the continuance of the Lavin experiment?
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
Because:
1. To expect any coach to be as successful as Louie is not realistic.
2. College basketball has changed a lot since the Louie days.
3. We were a dead program. Jarvis/Roberts took us completely off the map. To have expected Lavin to snap his fingers and make us a consistent tournament team was unrealistic.
It's also funny to me that there are little to no complaints about the offensive structure when we win. The offense looks great when we win! Although it doesn't really change much, it's all about execution. There were little to no complaints about it in Lavin's first season.
Snap his fingers? He has had four years and four recited classes to make the Big Dance with his players. If you think back to our little win streak when many misguided individuals were posting such absurdities as "Apologies To Coach Lavin" which was all but laughable, a good portion of the streak was due to the hot shooting of Dlo and Jakarr. I will give the devil his due with the great defensive effort the kids made, especially in the Creighton game, but that was very short lived and is the coaches job to keep the ball rolling. However, those who know the game were still commenting on the lack of ball movement and offensive structure in all but a few games.
Agree that we were dead for sometime, were two of the worst coaches in school's history ,but being in Macy's window, ( which is the only thing that Lavin accomplished) is good on the surface until you fail, then everyone notices.
Funny as the team was winning you seem to disappear as well...
Funny that if you were the least bit observant you maybe have noted that I stated that I would be back at the end of the season to make comment. In fact the last few times I did comment was after a win. So now you have aligned yourself with the rest of the dimwits who make inaccurate comments, nice job.
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If we end up winning 25 or 26 games, and the NIT title that goes with 26, it would have to be looked at as a successful season...certainly better than one and done in the NCAA tournament.
So ending up outside of the top 68-69 teams in the country is a success? If we do what you hope, I would say the season was not a disaster but certainly not a success. My my how our standards have fallen.
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If we end up winning 25 or 26 games, and the NIT title that goes with 26, it would have to be looked at as a successful season...certainly better than one and done in the NCAA tournament.
I'm surprised that you think this.
If I had my choice I'd take 1 and out in the NCAA every time. At least selection sunday is exciting and the days leading up to the game.
NIT for me is blahhhh unless it was a team of all freshman or something
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For the past decade this program was a joke. We aspired to make the NIT and many years we were on the bubble for that. Have we forgot? Now we as fans are expecting to make the NCAA tourney and if we don't, its a bad year. The staff deserves an extension, we are improving every year, they know what they are doing.
Surprisingly, the majority of the fan base actually has forgotten how bad we were for the past decade. At least, that's the only explanation I can come up with for the amount of hate for this regime.
It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference. And another thing I don't understand is that if you watch the team play game in and game out with no semblance of offensive structure, a lack of fundamentals , which many love to blame on player IQ ( which is nonsense), and just overall team chemistry ( players sulking on the bench, others refusing to go in) and an obvious poor use of team personnel ( note Max and Marco), how do you justify the continuance of the Lavin experiment?
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
Because:
1. To expect any coach to be as successful as Louie is not realistic.
2. College basketball has changed a lot since the Louie days.
3. We were a dead program. Jarvis/Roberts took us completely off the map. To have expected Lavin to snap his fingers and make us a consistent tournament team was unrealistic.
It's also funny to me that there are little to no complaints about the offensive structure when we win. The offense looks great when we win! Although it doesn't really change much, it's all about execution. There were little to no complaints about it in Lavin's first season.
Snap his fingers? He has had four years and four recited classes to make the Big Dance with his players. If you think back to our little win streak when many misguided individuals were posting such absurdities as "Apologies To Coach Lavin" which was all but laughable, a good portion of the streak was due to the hot shooting of Dlo and Jakarr. I will give the devil his due with the great defensive effort the kids made, especially in the Creighton game, but that was very short lived and is the coaches job to keep the ball rolling. However, those who know the game were still commenting on the lack of ball movement and offensive structure in all but a few games.
Agree that we were dead for sometime, were two of the worst coaches in school's history ,but being in Macy's window, ( which is the only thing that Lavin accomplished) is good on the surface until you fail, then everyone notices.
Funny as the team was winning you seem to disappear as well...
Funny that if you were the least bit observant you maybe have noted that I stated that I would be back at the end of the season to make comment. In fact the last few times I did comment was after a win. So now you have aligned yourself with the rest of the dimwits who make inaccurate comments, nice job.
The season is not over so how am I wrong? Where did I personally insult you?
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Say what you want about Lavin but this team won 20+ games this year. This was the only year so far where we did not reach expectations. The school would be out of their mind to replace him for his first poor year (which like I said, was still a 20 win season)
But the majority of posters were expecting 20 to 22 wins this year
20 win seasons aren't what they used to be since teams play more games now
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It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference.
So you believe that 25 years ago is a more accurate representation of the state of the program as opposed to the prior 10 years of Lavin's hire? I think that says it all about your ability to look at things rationally.
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
So remind me I forgot, exactly how many NBA all star talent players were on the team Lavin's first year here when he brought us to the NCAA tourney for the first time in a decade?
Oh really but you look at things rationally? You are content with mediocrity so you compare his results to the worst group of coaches in the school's history? Give me a break. And it terms of his first year, the big difference....DUNLAP or did you conveniently forget about him?
Just because I point out the fact that progress is being made doesn't mean one is accepting mediocrity. Mediocrity is what this program was before Lavin. No top rated recruits and CBI bids. Its a process and steady improvement is being made. That is a fact. Its convenient for u to not give Lavin credit for that first year success. What did Dunlap do the next year with a top 5 recruiting class and a first round NBA draft pick? Lavin is the head coach, he gets the credit.
Hey buddy, after tonites DEBACLE, do you still think progress is being made? If so, I can recommend some therapists that work well with reality checking.
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1. The talent level will be diminished.
2. The experience level seems maxed out.
3. No significant recruits seem to be coming
4. The same coaching staff will be in place
So how do any of you see improvement? Do tell!
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1. The talent level will be diminished.
2. The experience level seems maxed out.
3. No significant recruits seem to be coming
4. The same coaching staff will be in place
So how do any of you see improvement? Do tell!
Linda, take your meds and go to bed.
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It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference.
So you believe that 25 years ago is a more accurate representation of the state of the program as opposed to the prior 10 years of Lavin's hire? I think that says it all about your ability to look at things rationally.
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
So remind me I forgot, exactly how many NBA all star talent players were on the team Lavin's first year here when he brought us to the NCAA tourney for the first time in a decade?
Oh really but you look at things rationally? You are content with mediocrity so you compare his results to the worst group of coaches in the school's history? Give me a break. And it terms of his first year, the big difference....DUNLAP or did you conveniently forget about him?
Just because I point out the fact that progress is being made doesn't mean one is accepting mediocrity. Mediocrity is what this program was before Lavin. No top rated recruits and CBI bids. Its a process and steady improvement is being made. That is a fact. Its convenient for u to not give Lavin credit for that first year success. What did Dunlap do the next year with a top 5 recruiting class and a first round NBA draft pick? Lavin is the head coach, he gets the credit.
Hey buddy, after tonites DEBACLE, do you still think progress is being made? If so, I can recommend some therapists that work well with reality checking.
One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.
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1. The talent level will be diminished.
2. The experience level seems maxed out.
3. No significant recruits seem to be coming
4. The same coaching staff will be in place
So how do any of you see improvement? Do tell!
Linda, take your meds and go to bed.
pass those meds to me, I'm completely disgusted. This year was #$%^ing awful. Suspensions, no effort,.more suspensions, no effort, more drama, no effort, more drama. Rinse, repeat.
Lavin is a mess.
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1. The talent level will be diminished.
2. The experience level seems maxed out.
3. No significant recruits seem to be coming
4. The same coaching staff will be in place
So how do any of you see improvement? Do tell!
Linda, take your meds and go to bed.
1. The talent level will be diminished.
2. The experience level seems maxed out.
3. No significant recruits seem to be coming
4. The same coaching staff will be in place
So how do any of you see improvement? Do tell!
Linda, take your meds and go to bed.
1. The talent level will be diminished.
2. The experience level seems maxed out.
3. No significant recruits seem to be coming
4. The same coaching staff will be in place
So how do any of you see improvement? Do tell!
Linda, take your meds and go to bed.
Tizzy, get a life and worry about yourself.
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It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference.
So you believe that 25 years ago is a more accurate representation of the state of the program as opposed to the prior 10 years of Lavin's hire? I think that says it all about your ability to look at things rationally.
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
So remind me I forgot, exactly how many NBA all star talent players were on the team Lavin's first year here when he brought us to the NCAA tourney for the first time in a decade?
Oh really but you look at things rationally? You are content with mediocrity so you compare his results to the worst group of coaches in the school's history? Give me a break. And it terms of his first year, the big difference....DUNLAP or did you conveniently forget about him?
Just because I point out the fact that progress is being made doesn't mean one is accepting mediocrity. Mediocrity is what this program was before Lavin. No top rated recruits and CBI bids. Its a process and steady improvement is being made. That is a fact. Its convenient for u to not give Lavin credit for that first year success. What did Dunlap do the next year with a top 5 recruiting class and a first round NBA draft pick? Lavin is the head coach, he gets the credit.
Hey buddy, after tonites DEBACLE, do you still think progress is being made? If so, I can recommend some therapists that work well with reality checking.
One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.
So going from a second round NIT without your best player last year to a first round knock (blow) out this year is progress, you be delerious.
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Holy crap Baldi is the voice of reason, wow.
If you are celebrating Steve Lavin for getting this team to the NIT (choking once and losing early the other time) twice and making the NCAAs once with Norm Roberts' players, you are half the reason the program is in the toilet. It's sad to say, but Lavin is proving to be almost just as inept as Roberts.
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What will be Lavin's excuse next year? Jordan left early? He suspended someone again?
He lives off excuses.
I said before this season not making the tournament would be a disappointment. Then they embarrassed themselves in the NIT to boot so he should definitely be on the hot seat, discussing an extension for being in the NCAA discussion before blowing it against Providence shows how pathetic the administration is and how low everyone's collective expectations are.
Make the tournament next year or out the door. It should be clear at this point.
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One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.
You're "not surprised" that #1 seed SJU lost to #8 seed Robert Morris at home in year four of Lavin's tenure and you also believe that this loss culminates a season that represents progress. The mind boggles.
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One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.
You're "not surprised" that #1 seed SJU lost to #8 seed Robert Morris at home in year four of Lavin's tenure and you also believe that this loss culminates a season that represents progress. The mind boggles.
Vegas was certainly surprised judging by the 15 point spread.
In other news SJUFAN was also not surprised by the 69 Mets, Jets, the ending of Crying Game or that Verbal Kent was Keyser Souza.
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One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.
You're "not surprised" that #1 seed SJU lost to #8 seed Robert Morris at home in year four of Lavin's tenure and you also believe that this loss culminates a season that represents progress. The mind boggles.
Vegas was certainly surprised judging by the 15 point spread.
In other news SJUFAN was also not surprised by the 69 Mets, Jets, the ending of Crying Game or that Verbal Kent was Keyser Souza.
Not to worry. Once Lavin brings in better players than the 3 top 10 recruiting classes he's brought in already we'll be set to beat the stuffing out of Robert Morris in the NIT.
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After the latest debacle, I'm adding a point 2 as to how we were so great in Lavin's first year:
Now I'm wondering if Dunlap was not only important to the Xs and Os but also team discipline. Norm may have helped that too --- he may not have been a good coach but he brought in hard working players who matured in their time here. They were ready to take care of business when Lavin/Dunlap arrived.
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This season was an obvious disappointment. Now we have to deal with other teams surpassing us ( read Providence, The Hall, and with their young team - maybe DePaul ), playing in a league that is a shell of its former self, having a bunch of disappointed upperclassmen stay focused, and having to improve in so many ways it's ridiculous to even discuss, and no impact recruits on the horizon.
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It amazes me how Lavin supporters like yourself and others use a horrendous stretch of basketball to compare Lavins accomplishments. Why not compare with him with Looies tenure on the job. Sure Looie had some faults and was not great in the end but certainly superior to Lavin in a much tougher Big East conference.
So you believe that 25 years ago is a more accurate representation of the state of the program as opposed to the prior 10 years of Lavin's hire? I think that says it all about your ability to look at things rationally.
The one good thing, perhaps, is that since it us quite obvious that Lavin will need NBA all star talent to be successful it may keep the pressure on him to recruit high caliber HS players. The downside to that is if he does not, the party's over.
So remind me I forgot, exactly how many NBA all star talent players were on the team Lavin's first year here when he brought us to the NCAA tourney for the first time in a decade?
Oh really but you look at things rationally? You are content with mediocrity so you compare his results to the worst group of coaches in the school's history? Give me a break. And it terms of his first year, the big difference....DUNLAP or did you conveniently forget about him?
Just because I point out the fact that progress is being made doesn't mean one is accepting mediocrity. Mediocrity is what this program was before Lavin. No top rated recruits and CBI bids. Its a process and steady improvement is being made. That is a fact. Its convenient for u to not give Lavin credit for that first year success. What did Dunlap do the next year with a top 5 recruiting class and a first round NBA draft pick? Lavin is the head coach, he gets the credit.
Hey buddy, after tonites DEBACLE, do you still think progress is being made? If so, I can recommend some therapists that work well with reality checking.
One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.
Is there really progress? Is going 10-8 in the NEW BE, better than going 7-9 in the old one? What would our record have been if we played Louisville, Uconn, Cinci and SU, once or even twice?
A strong argument can be made that the team regressed. This "20 wins" BS that I'm sure Lavin will go to whenever he feels like it is smoke and mirrors, when you're wins are actually not as strong as they were a year ago. He had an easier time making decisions with a limited selection of eligible players. Branch started to play well and he got into a rhythm, and so did Dom Pointer, who has regressed to the point of being more of a hindrance than a help when he enters the game.
That said, if Lavin is staying, and really looks like he is, we're going to need help. Clearly, he, and his staff were not capable of recognizing what needed to be done until we were in a gigantic hole. Then, once guys like Harrison and Sampson had an off night, we were done. An upperclassmen team shouldn't need until February to figure things out. That is 100% on Lavin. He didn't have it figured out, and therefore, the players were playing confused for 2/3 of the season.
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It's going to be a looong off season. Enough blame to go around from staff to players- in this last game I put most of it on the players-they didn't bring their A game-they didn't even bring their D game. How a player doesn't bring their A game to a tourney is beyond me. Coach shouldn't have to try and lift them up to play hard. IMO true ballers bring it every night. Their effort was embarrassing. I shudder to think what "possible recruits" will think of SJU after such an empty showing. There are no excuses for the lack of effort. I never bad mouth the players when they try-however, the lack of effort does not get a pass - they stunk up the joint and they know it.
I wish God's Gift, Sanchez and Bourgolt (sp?) all the best. I do think that Gift deserves props for playing hard and excelling as a student.
At the same time those players that do return next season need to look in the mirror and not point fingers - it's on each one of them to raise their level of play. Yeah, the coach has some input on the improvement of players, but in the end it is up to the players and how hard they are willing to work that determines how much they improve - Improve in skills and MIND set. If you're not willing to give it your all- why bother.
I wish the entire team and staff well, and hope that this season makes them much stronger for the coming years - guys, it's on you - if you WANT it- you can get it.
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It's going to be a looong off season. Enough blame to go around from staff to players- in this last game I put most of it on the players-they didn't bring their A game-they didn't even bring their D game. How a player doesn't bring their A game to a tourney is beyond me. Coach shouldn't have to try and lift them up to play hard. IMO true ballers bring it every night. Their effort was embarrassing. I shudder to think what "possible recruits" will think of SJU after such an empty showing. There are no excuses for the lack of effort. I never bad mouth the players when they try-however, the lack of effort does not get a pass - they stunk up the joint and they know it.
I wish God's Gift, Sanchez and Bourgolt (sp?) all the best. I do think that Gift deserves props for playing hard and excelling as a student.
At the same time those players that do return next season need to look in the mirror and not point fingers - it's on each one of them to raise their level of play. Yeah, the coach has some input on the improvement of players, but in the end it is up to the players and how hard they are willing to work that determines how much they improve - Improve in skills and MIND set. If you're not willing to give it your all- why bother.
I wish the entire team and staff well, and hope that this season makes them much stronger for the coming years - guys, it's on you - if you WANT it- you can get it.
To be fair, we are not the first team to not care about the NIT. Many teams who had legit NCAA hopes, suffer from the hangover. Our guys just think they're better than they are. They've never danced, so this should have been taken more seriously. They didn't deserve an NCAA bid. It's that simple.
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The AD is in a tough position...if SJU advanced and made it to MSG I think the argument could be made the team made progress. After the last nights game combined with the Providence game there seems to be something wrong with the program...Maybe it was just a disappointing way to end a disappointing year, or Lavin's style and coaching are flawed...Either way you need to extend him so he can recruit or fire him and have somebody come in now and start rebuilding again...This would be the time to make the switch if the AD were to do it.
The AD has some wiggle room because there is no President at the moment to breathe down his neck but he has to be feeling some pressure.
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The team definitely made progress. It wasn't enough progress to make us content, but the program is better today than it was this time last year. Going from 17 wins and barely making the NIT to a sure fire tournament team is a pretty big leap.
If we are a 20+ win team every year, making the tournament more often than not, and making a somewhat deep run every 4 years, that is a success for St Johns. Need to recalibrate expectations.
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Also, the only people who care about a poor NIT performance are people on this board. Winning a game or two in the NIT is irrelevant big picture.
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Also, the only people who care about a poor NIT performance are people on this board. Winning a game or two in the NIT is irrelevant big picture.
Gray the concern is the overall drama that has occured under Lavin's reign. Can you honestly tell me that your not expecting something bad to happen over the summer? At least UK played hard last year and it seems every year UK is rebuilding so there is reason why UK may miss the tournament. This team has depth and experience and it's not the fact that they fell short that's the issue (it happens) it's their give-a-shatter meter is broken. Not running back on defense chucking more 3s then lay ups with the other team only having 7 players! I'm not in favor to fire Lavin for the hell of lot like we did with Roberts (we lucked out with Lavin), but asking the program to show something more then optimism isn't a redicolous request either.
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Also, the only people who care about a poor NIT performance are people on this board. Winning a game or two in the NIT is irrelevant big picture.
It goes to the lack of control the staff has over the players, and goes to show the mental lapses the players take. It is not a good sign when there are guys like Branch and Hooper who are giving their all, while others are taking the game off because they don't care anymore.
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Season was a disappointment. It goes beyond their record, its about the team failing to get up for the biggest of games. Starts with the coach and unfortunately ours is a bad one. Good recruiter, close to terrible in game coach. Something has to be changed but I dont see anyway that it will be Lavin not coming back.
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One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.
You're "not surprised" that #1 seed SJU lost to #8 seed Robert Morris at home in year four of Lavin's tenure and you also believe that this loss culminates a season that represents progress. The mind boggles.
Yes. Because our best player was in warmups and your favorite player shot 23% (par for the course). Lavin has his faults, and he deserves some heat, but the team had 5 free throw attempts for the entire game, that isn't on the coach.
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Also, the only people who care about a poor NIT performance are people on this board. Winning a game or two in the NIT is irrelevant big picture.
Gray the concern is the overall drama that has occured under Lavin's reign. Can you honestly tell me that your not expecting something bad to happen over the summer? At least UK played hard last year and it seems every year UK is rebuilding so there is reason why UK may miss the tournament. This team has depth and experience and it's not the fact that they fell short that's the issue (it happens) it's their give-a-shatter meter is broken. Not running back on defense chucking more 3s then lay ups with the other team only having 7 players! I'm not in favor to fire Lavin for the hell of lot like we did with Roberts (we lucked out with Lavin), but asking the program to show something more then optimism isn't a redicolous request either.
I agree that there are some obvious fundamental issues with the Lavin regime. I just don't think the NIT will have any impact on a contract extension. Those problems (ie rotation tinkering, player attitude, absurd timeouts, nonstop salesmanship in the press) will probably always come with Lavin coached teams. What also comes with Lavin coached teams is a national footprint in recruiting, heightened media coverage, and higher expectations.
All things considered, the program is healthier than it was when he took over. Staff is in a position to build upon the foundation it has laid with a strong 2015 class, and not giving an extension will have an impact in securing the necessary personnel to take the next step. In my view, either he's out now (which is not going to happen) or he's got to get a long term extension to demonstrate stability.
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All things considered, the program is healthier than it was when he took over. Staff is in a position to build upon the foundation it has laid with a strong 2015 class, and not giving an extension will have an impact in securing the necessary personnel to take the next step. In my view, either he's out now (which is not going to happen) or he's got to get a long term extension to demonstrate stability.
I just don't see that. The program might be better, but just doesn't seem to be moving in the right direction. If I was a recruit watching last night's game, and I have other decent college offers, why would I choose St John's? 100 fans in the building for a post-season tournament game, where the players didn't feel like playing. I would choose Robert Morris over St John's right now.
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One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.
You're "not surprised" that #1 seed SJU lost to #8 seed Robert Morris at home in year four of Lavin's tenure and you also believe that this loss culminates a season that represents progress. The mind boggles.
Yes. Because our best player was in warmups and your favorite player shot 23% (par for the course). Lavin has his faults, and he deserves some heat, but the team had 5 free throw attempts for the entire game, that isn't on the coach.
And yet what you describe comprises progress.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollyanna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollyanna)
HTH.
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Without some type of shake-up with the coaching staff, I think next year will be a repeat of this year, or even worse. Lavin is not going anywhere, but we need a taskmaster on the staff that will push this senior-heavy team next year to play with fire. Whitesell doesn't seem to be that guy, but I have no clue about what he does. I always got the impression that Dunlap was a hardass when it came to game preparation--something that this team sorely lacked most of the year,at least judging from the games I watched. I don't expect Dunlap to come back, but I'm not convinced the current staff is capable of changing the culture of this team.
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I'm not 100% convinced that the Administration thinks this season was as much as a disaster than we all do.
Just saying...
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All things considered, the program is healthier than it was when he took over. Staff is in a position to build upon the foundation it has laid with a strong 2015 class, and not giving an extension will have an impact in securing the necessary personnel to take the next step. In my view, either he's out now (which is not going to happen) or he's got to get a long term extension to demonstrate stability.
I just don't see that. The program might be better, but just doesn't seem to be moving in the right direction. If I was a recruit watching last night's game, and I have other decent college offers, why would I choose St John's? 100 fans in the building for a post-season tournament game, where the players didn't feel like playing. I would choose Robert Morris over St John's right now.
If I was a recruit, I'd be much more concerned about signing with a coach without an assurance that he will be there during my time at the school. I also probably would have been watching the play-in game and not a random NIT game.
Without the extension, you take away the best thing Lavin brings to the table - his ability to recruit at the highest level. Give him the deal with some contingencies and a favorable buy out option in case the plug need to be pulled earlier than expected. If he can't recruit, the program is guaranteed to go sideways or down with him at the helm
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All things considered, the program is healthier than it was when he took over. Staff is in a position to build upon the foundation it has laid with a strong 2015 class, and not giving an extension will have an impact in securing the necessary personnel to take the next step. In my view, either he's out now (which is not going to happen) or he's got to get a long term extension to demonstrate stability.
I just don't see that. The program might be better, but just doesn't seem to be moving in the right direction. If I was a recruit watching last night's game, and I have other decent college offers, why would I choose St John's? 100 fans in the building for a post-season tournament game, where the players didn't feel like playing. I would choose Robert Morris over St John's right now.
If I was a recruit, I'd be much more concerned about signing with a coach without an assurance that he will be there during my time at the school. I also probably would have been watching the play-in game and not a random NIT game.
Without the extension, you take away the best thing Lavin brings to the table - his ability to recruit at the highest level. Give him the deal with some contingencies and a favorable buy out option in case the plug need to be pulled earlier than expected. If he can't recruit, the program is guaranteed to go sideways or down with him at the helm
But on the other side, if I were a recruit with the potential to play at the next level, I would look at the present roster of underachievers and question Lavins ability to get me to the next level. I say dump him now, take the hit for a year or two and then hope the next coach gets the program in gear. Honestly, do you really believe that things will get better over the next few years with the current staff? Do you really believe that high level recruits are still considering this program as an option?
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Tell you one thing I love about this staff is Keady.
I left the game with 1 minute to go (to beat the crowd) and heard him on the post game interview and he is great! Pretty much said that the team played terrible and that were not up to play. He doesn't spin anything. He also sounded really annoyed at certain players. Didn't say who but I am thinking Harrison and O...
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All things considered, the program is healthier than it was when he took over. Staff is in a position to build upon the foundation it has laid with a strong 2015 class, and not giving an extension will have an impact in securing the necessary personnel to take the next step. In my view, either he's out now (which is not going to happen) or he's got to get a long term extension to demonstrate stability.
I just don't see that. The program might be better, but just doesn't seem to be moving in the right direction. If I was a recruit watching last night's game, and I have other decent college offers, why would I choose St John's? 100 fans in the building for a post-season tournament game, where the players didn't feel like playing. I would choose Robert Morris over St John's right now.
If I was a recruit, I'd be much more concerned about signing with a coach without an assurance that he will be there during my time at the school. I also probably would have been watching the play-in game and not a random NIT game.
Without the extension, you take away the best thing Lavin brings to the table - his ability to recruit at the highest level. Give him the deal with some contingencies and a favorable buy out option in case the plug need to be pulled earlier than expected. If he can't recruit, the program is guaranteed to go sideways or down with him at the helm
But on the other side, if I were a recruit with the potential to play at the next level, I would look at the present roster of underachievers and question Lavins ability to get me to the next level. I say dump him now, take the hit for a year or two and then hope the next coach gets the program in gear. Honestly, do you really believe that things will get better over the next few years with the current staff? Do you really believe that high level recruits are still considering this program as an option?
I do think that high level recruits are still considering the program and that keeping Lavin is viable if he's really engaged. I also think that ripping the band aid off now and trying to fix it while we have a stable of talent (similar to Lavin taking over for Norm) is better than doing it two years from now if those recruits don't work out. Tough spot
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All things considered, the program is healthier than it was when he took over. Staff is in a position to build upon the foundation it has laid with a strong 2015 class, and not giving an extension will have an impact in securing the necessary personnel to take the next step. In my view, either he's out now (which is not going to happen) or he's got to get a long term extension to demonstrate stability.
I just don't see that. The program might be better, but just doesn't seem to be moving in the right direction. If I was a recruit watching last night's game, and I have other decent college offers, why would I choose St John's? 100 fans in the building for a post-season tournament game, where the players didn't feel like playing. I would choose Robert Morris over St John's right now.
If I was a recruit, I'd be much more concerned about signing with a coach without an assurance that he will be there during my time at the school. I also probably would have been watching the play-in game and not a random NIT game.
Without the extension, you take away the best thing Lavin brings to the table - his ability to recruit at the highest level. Give him the deal with some contingencies and a favorable buy out option in case the plug need to be pulled earlier than expected. If he can't recruit, the program is guaranteed to go sideways or down with him at the helm
But on the other side, if I were a recruit with the potential to play at the next level, I would look at the present roster of underachievers and question Lavins ability to get me to the next level. I say dump him now, take the hit for a year or two and then hope the next coach gets the program in gear. Honestly, do you really believe that things will get better over the next few years with the current staff? Do you really believe that high level recruits are still considering this program as an option?
...and then 2 years from now you will be calling for the next guy's head..It won't end..
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One game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.
You're "not surprised" that #1 seed SJU lost to #8 seed Robert Morris at home in year four of Lavin's tenure and you also believe that this loss culminates a season that represents progress. The mind boggles.
Yes. Because our best player was in warmups and your favorite player shot 23% (par for the course). Lavin has his faults, and he deserves some heat, but the team had 5 free throw attempts for the entire game, that isn't on the coach.
[/quoteOne game doesn't define a tenure. Robert Morris defeated Kentucky in the first round of the NIT last year. We don't have no were near the talent Kentucky has. So I'm not surprised that they lost, I am disappointed in the effort of the players. So to answer your question, yes I still believe progress is being made. We will bring in better players, that's what good recruiters do.
You're "not surprised" that #1 seed SJU lost to #8 seed Robert Morris at home in year four of Lavin's tenure and you also believe that this loss culminates a season that represents progress. The mind boggles.
Yes. Because our best player was in warmups and your favorite player shot 23% (par for the course). Lavin has his faults, and he deserves some heat, but the team had 5 free throw attempts for the entire game, that isn't on the coach.
5 FT isn't on the coach? We took 37 3 pt shots and the coach could have demanded they take the ball to the basket to draw fouls. Jeezzzz do you even have any idea what a coach does?
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The program step by step is improving.
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The program step by step is improving.
What criteria are you using for improving? Record? Attendance? Recruiting? Graduation rate? Etc . I hope next year at this time you can say this, but I doubt ( based on current projected roster) that next years team will be an improvement on this years team. Time will tell.
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Next year? Way, way to soon to tell......are CO and/or Sheed back? What's the recruiting class like? I could and will make a case things will be fine and fun next year.....just need a few pieces to fall in place and they could. Program could be on right path. I think it is.
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This staff better start recruiting some big bodies or this team will get owned on the glass next year.
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If Chris comes back, I think we'll get Diallo and have twin towers starting with Adonis and Ali as back ups....that wouldn't be too shabby....and still have JUCO and transfer possibilities.
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Not to mention 7-1 Greek possibility.
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^ Those would be nice options if they get the 7'1 Greek kid too which I wasn't familiar with. Diallo is a long shot for sure. He would be a HUGE help on the glass in and defending the post. The verdict is still out on Adonis' conditioning which concerns me. I hope he can run up and down for 20 minutes a game and be productive at that size. Ali isn't really much of a boarder. More of a finesse, offensive minded big man. But he seems to show some toughness so hopefully he improves as a rebounder and can defend the post next year. Big, active post guys and a true pg are what this team needs most.
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The program step by step is improving.
What criteria are you using for improving? Record? Attendance? Recruiting? Graduation rate? Etc . I hope next year at this time you can say this, but I doubt ( based on current projected roster) that next years team will be an improvement on this years team. Time will tell.
By all the criteria you listed, we are improving. Thanks!