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Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Actually I do have a clue, which is why I bring up a lot of the things I do. 

Yes, the kids like each other, and played hard throughout the season, but that does not truly define the culture of a program.  Some of the defections are because the players/parents do not believe in Mullin is getting the most out of of their sons.  Whether its right or wrong, is not for me to judge.  There is no winning culture around this program, and like I have said in past, HS and AAU coaches have become more and more reluctant to send one of their prize kids to SJU.

You bring up this is the landscape of college basketball, and to some degree it is.  The mid majors are getting beat up left and right by the transfer game.  However in the big east over the past 5 years, less than 2.5% of players have left the conference.  A big reason for that is because coaches in the league have built a culture of stability, something that Mullin was supposed to bring when SJU hired him.

Some of the defections are because the players/parents do not believe in Mullin is getting the most out of of their sons.  Whether its right or wrong, is not for me to judge.  There is no winning culture

Why is not for you to judge eg whether Tariq Owens father is delusional, but it is for you to judge Mullin and the culture of the program, whatever that means. The former would seem easy to form judgments about, the latter not so much.

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 06, 2018, 10:51:24 AM

Some of the defections are because the players/parents do not believe in Mullin is getting the most out of of their sons.  Whether its right or wrong, is not for me to judge.  There is no winning culture

Why is not for you to judge eg whether Tariq Owens father is delusional, but it is for you to judge Mullin and the culture of the program, whatever that means. The former would seem easy to form judgments about, the latter not so much.

Owens transfer hurts. But Owens transferring is much more preferable than Owens jacking up 15 jumpers a game.

Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 10:21:19 AM

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Your estimate is short by about 9%

Agree. It’s bad luck that our top recuits just don’t come. Brooks and Wilson. And bad luck 3 players left this year. Their families are delusional. 2 players left last year, must have been playing time issues. Amar tried to leave, thank goodness coach took him back. Sadly Amar never got any better or was recuited over. But I personally give him a pass. It was Lavin’s fault anyway. He stopped recruiting. He left the cupboards bare. It was him. Not our savior. You guys remember 1985. Felt like yesterday.
These fans are way to tough on our hero. We have won a game in March the last 2 years. We beat duke and nova. I barely remember the 11 game losing streak. So what if coach Mullin’s record is worse then Norm’s. Norm had experienced  Walkons. I give coach a pass! And it was Lavin’s fault any way. He had a big head and he didn’t wear a tie. Coach Mullin’s can that because, we’ll their is no real reason he can just do what ever he wants.
We are bringing in a bunch of new players.  We may not have 5 star or 4 star guys. But a few atleast have 1 Star. Trust the process!

Quote from: patrick on April 06, 2018, 10:33:39 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 10:21:19 AM

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Your estimate is short by about 9%

Agree. It’s bad luck that our top recuits just don’t come. Brooks and Wilson. And bad luck 3 players left this year. Their families are delusional. 2 players left last year, must have been playing time issues. Amar tried to leave, thank goodness coach took him back. Sadly Amar never got any better or was recuited over. But I personally give him a pass. It was Lavin’s fault anyway. He stopped recruiting. He left the cupboards bare. It was him. Not our savior. You guys remember 1985. Felt like yesterday.
These fans are way to tough on our hero. We have won a game in March the last 2 years. We beat duke and nova. I barely remember the 11 game losing streak. So what if coach Mullin’s record is worse then Norm’s. Norm had experienced  Walkons. I give coach a pass! And it was Lavin’s fault any way. He had a big head and he didn’t wear a tie. Coach Mullin’s can that because, we’ll their is no real reason he can just do what ever he wants.
We are bringing in a bunch of new players.  We may not have 5 star or 4 star guys. But a few atleast have 1 Star. Trust the process!

If Mullin makes the NCAA tourney next year he would have equaled the accomplishments of the Great Laven!
Of course it will not come close to the bar that Jervis set. But it is still better than Nerm.

Quote from: patrick on April 06, 2018, 10:33:39 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 10:21:19 AM

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Your estimate is short by about 9%

Agree. It’s bad luck that our top recuits just don’t come. Brooks and Wilson. And bad luck 3 players left this year. Their families are delusional. 2 players left last year, must have been playing time issues. Amar tried to leave, thank goodness coach took him back. Sadly Amar never got any better or was recuited over. But I personally give him a pass. It was Lavin’s fault anyway. He stopped recruiting. He left the cupboards bare. It was him. Not our savior. You guys remember 1985. Felt like yesterday.
These fans are way to tough on our hero. We have won a game in March the last 2 years. We beat duke and nova. I barely remember the 11 game losing streak. So what if coach Mullin’s record is worse then Norm’s. Norm had experienced  Walkons. I give coach a pass! And it was Lavin’s fault any way. He had a big head and he didn’t wear a tie. Coach Mullin’s can that because, we’ll their is no real reason he can just do what ever he wants.
We are bringing in a bunch of new players.  We may not have 5 star or 4 star guys. But a few atleast have 1 Star. Trust the process!

How could you question Mullin and the culture here? I mean he's 12-40 in the Big East in 3 years. He's making over $2M/year to be in last place in the conference. He was a great player here 33 years ago and that means so much when it comes to his coaching today. What's to question?

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Good points here. Thank you.

Because these are amateurs we don’t deserve to know the specific details every time a player leaves. It is completely unrealistic to blame any staff for a transfer, a kid going to play pro overseas, a kid failing academically or even a kid that commits a serious crime like armed robbery. No one is doing that. We are calling the body of work.

I agree that besides one road game in Indiana, the guys played hard all season. The thing is, most college basketball teams play hard. I don’t recall too many STJ teams that lost because they didn’t care. We’ve had seasons where the players looked defeated at tip off, and to their credit, we’ve seen a team culture made up of kids that stayed with it.

This season will tell us everything we need to know about our staff. They’ve chosen an unorthodox way to build this program. I’m not against signing kids like Earlington if he’s part of a program that the staff wants to build. The problem is that he wasn’t until a kid from the west coast changed his mind.

2 years from now I would love nothing more than to see Williams, Roberts, Diakite and Earlington recognized as the foundation of the program. That’s a plan that can work. It’s worked at Xavier. It’s worked at Butler. It’s worked at Dayton. It can work here, but the time for everyone running from this program has to stop after this summer. They had to field their first class with zero leverage and time. We all get that.

What I’d like to see (and I think this is what we’d all like to see) is some evidence of a direction for this program.

Quote from: patrick on April 06, 2018, 10:33:39 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 10:21:19 AM

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Your estimate is short by about 9%

Agree. It’s bad luck that our top recuits just don’t come. Brooks and Wilson. And bad luck 3 players left this year. Their families are delusional. 2 players left last year, must have been playing time issues. Amar tried to leave, thank goodness coach took him back. Sadly Amar never got any better or was recuited over. But I personally give him a pass. It was Lavin’s fault anyway. He stopped recruiting. He left the cupboards bare. It was him. Not our savior. You guys remember 1985. Felt like yesterday.
These fans are way to tough on our hero. We have won a game in March the last 2 years. We beat duke and nova. I barely remember the 11 game losing streak. So what if coach Mullin’s record is worse then Norm’s. Norm had experienced  Walkons. I give coach a pass! And it was Lavin’s fault any way. He had a big head and he didn’t wear a tie. Coach Mullin’s can that because, we’ll their is no real reason he can just do what ever he wants.
We are bringing in a bunch of new players.  We may not have 5 star or 4 star guys. But a few atleast have 1 Star. Trust the process!

Did you even read the posts you were responding to before you posted? because it appears as if you didn't since it was about people on this board not having a clue about the insider info but hey it gave you chance to say the same thing for about a thousand times

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 06, 2018, 11:33:05 AM

Quote from: patrick on April 06, 2018, 10:33:39 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 10:21:19 AM

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Your estimate is short by about 9%

Agree. It’s bad luck that our top recuits just don’t come. Brooks and Wilson. And bad luck 3 players left this year. Their families are delusional. 2 players left last year, must have been playing time issues. Amar tried to leave, thank goodness coach took him back. Sadly Amar never got any better or was recuited over. But I personally give him a pass. It was Lavin’s fault anyway. He stopped recruiting. He left the cupboards bare. It was him. Not our savior. You guys remember 1985. Felt like yesterday.
These fans are way to tough on our hero. We have won a game in March the last 2 years. We beat duke and nova. I barely remember the 11 game losing streak. So what if coach Mullin’s record is worse then Norm’s. Norm had experienced  Walkons. I give coach a pass! And it was Lavin’s fault any way. He had a big head and he didn’t wear a tie. Coach Mullin’s can that because, we’ll their is no real reason he can just do what ever he wants.
We are bringing in a bunch of new players.  We may not have 5 star or 4 star guys. But a few atleast have 1 Star. Trust the process!

If Mullin makes the NCAA tourney next year he would have equaled the accomplishments of the Great Laven!
Of course it will not come close to the bar that Jervis set. But it is still better than Nerm.

Lavin made two NCAAs and two NITs. So, no he wouldn’t.

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 06, 2018, 11:33:05 AM

Quote from: patrick on April 06, 2018, 10:33:39 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 10:21:19 AM

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Your estimate is short by about 9%

Agree. It’s bad luck that our top recuits just don’t come. Brooks and Wilson. And bad luck 3 players left this year. Their families are delusional. 2 players left last year, must have been playing time issues. Amar tried to leave, thank goodness coach took him back. Sadly Amar never got any better or was recuited over. But I personally give him a pass. It was Lavin’s fault anyway. He stopped recruiting. He left the cupboards bare. It was him. Not our savior. You guys remember 1985. Felt like yesterday.
These fans are way to tough on our hero. We have won a game in March the last 2 years. We beat duke and nova. I barely remember the 11 game losing streak. So what if coach Mullin’s record is worse then Norm’s. Norm had experienced  Walkons. I give coach a pass! And it was Lavin’s fault any way. He had a big head and he didn’t wear a tie. Coach Mullin’s can that because, we’ll their is no real reason he can just do what ever he wants.
We are bringing in a bunch of new players.  We may not have 5 star or 4 star guys. But a few atleast have 1 Star. Trust the process!

How could you question Mullin and the culture here? I mean he's 12-40 in the Big East in 3 years. He's making over $2M/year to be in last place in the conference. He was a great player here 33 years ago and that means so much when it comes to his coaching today. What's to question?

At least you can spell. If nothing else you are better than Tony.

Quote from: we are sju on April 06, 2018, 11:46:16 AM

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 06, 2018, 11:33:05 AM

Quote from: patrick on April 06, 2018, 10:33:39 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 10:21:19 AM

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Your estimate is short by about 9%

Agree. It’s bad luck that our top recuits just don’t come. Brooks and Wilson. And bad luck 3 players left this year. Their families are delusional. 2 players left last year, must have been playing time issues. Amar tried to leave, thank goodness coach took him back. Sadly Amar never got any better or was recuited over. But I personally give him a pass. It was Lavin’s fault anyway. He stopped recruiting. He left the cupboards bare. It was him. Not our savior. You guys remember 1985. Felt like yesterday.
These fans are way to tough on our hero. We have won a game in March the last 2 years. We beat duke and nova. I barely remember the 11 game losing streak. So what if coach Mullin’s record is worse then Norm’s. Norm had experienced  Walkons. I give coach a pass! And it was Lavin’s fault any way. He had a big head and he didn’t wear a tie. Coach Mullin’s can that because, we’ll their is no real reason he can just do what ever he wants.
We are bringing in a bunch of new players.  We may not have 5 star or 4 star guys. But a few atleast have 1 Star. Trust the process!

If Mullin makes the NCAA tourney next year he would have equaled the accomplishments of the Great Laven!
Of course it will not come close to the bar that Jervis set. But it is still better than Nerm.

Lavin made two NCAAs and two NITs. So, no he wouldn’t.

NIT is useless NCAA or bust and Lavin made 1 in first 4 years.

Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 10:21:19 AM

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Actually I do have a clue, which is why I bring up a lot of the things I do. 

Yes, the kids like each other, and played hard throughout the season, but that does not truly define the culture of a program.  Some of the defections are because the players/parents do not believe in Mullin is getting the most out of of their sons.  Whether its right or wrong, is not for me to judge.  There is no winning culture around this program, and like I have said in past, HS and AAU coaches have become more and more reluctant to send one of their prize kids to SJU.

You bring up this is the landscape of college basketball, and to some degree it is.  The mid majors are getting beat up left and right by the transfer game.  However in the big east over the past 5 years, less than 2.5% of players have left the conference.  A big reason for that is because coaches in the league have built a culture of stability, something that Mullin was supposed to bring when SJU hired him.

Some mid majors are thriving in the transfer game. 1 just went to a final 4 with transfers

Quote from: patrick on April 06, 2018, 10:33:39 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 10:21:19 AM

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Your estimate is short by about 9%

Agree. It’s bad luck that our top recuits just don’t come. Brooks and Wilson. And bad luck 3 players left this year. Their families are delusional. 2 players left last year, must have been playing time issues. Amar tried to leave, thank goodness coach took him back. Sadly Amar never got any better or was recuited over. But I personally give him a pass. It was Lavin’s fault anyway. He stopped recruiting. He left the cupboards bare. It was him. Not our savior. You guys remember 1985. Felt like yesterday.
These fans are way to tough on our hero. We have won a game in March the last 2 years. We beat duke and nova. I barely remember the 11 game losing streak. So what if coach Mullin’s record is worse then Norm’s. Norm had experienced  Walkons. I give coach a pass! And it was Lavin’s fault any way. He had a big head and he didn’t wear a tie. Coach Mullin’s can that because, we’ll their is no real reason he can just do what ever he wants.
We are bringing in a bunch of new players.  We may not have 5 star or 4 star guys. But a few atleast have 1 Star. Trust the process!

Make that 9.5.

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 06, 2018, 10:51:24 AM

Some of the defections are because the players/parents do not believe in Mullin is getting the most out of of their sons.  Whether its right or wrong, is not for me to judge.  There is no winning culture

Why is not for you to judge eg whether Tariq Owens father is delusional, but it is for you to judge Mullin and the culture of the program, whatever that means. The former would seem easy to form judgments about, the latter not so much.

Lets say, Owens has a great year, no matter where he goes, and gets drafted or signed by a NBA team.  Would that make the father delusional for pulling TO from SJU?   No it wouldn't, so why would i judge a father who wants the best for his son?  The criticism of Mullin and the program is warranted, considering there has been little development of players to help build a foundation-especially for a program that needs upperclassmen to win.

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Quote from: patrick on April 06, 2018, 10:33:39 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 10:21:19 AM

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Your estimate is short by about 9%

Agree. It’s bad luck that our top recuits just don’t come. Brooks and Wilson. And bad luck 3 players left this year. Their families are delusional. 2 players left last year, must have been playing time issues. Amar tried to leave, thank goodness coach took him back. Sadly Amar never got any better or was recuited over. But I personally give him a pass. It was Lavin’s fault anyway. He stopped recruiting. He left the cupboards bare. It was him. Not our savior. You guys remember 1985. Felt like yesterday.
These fans are way to tough on our hero. We have won a game in March the last 2 years. We beat duke and nova. I barely remember the 11 game losing streak. So what if coach Mullin’s record is worse then Norm’s. Norm had experienced  Walkons. I give coach a pass! And it was Lavin’s fault any way. He had a big head and he didn’t wear a tie. Coach Mullin’s can that because, we’ll their is no real reason he can just do what ever he wants.
We are bringing in a bunch of new players.  We may not have 5 star or 4 star guys. But a few atleast have 1 Star. Trust the process!

Did you even read the posts you were responding to before you posted? because it appears as if you didn't since it was about people on this board not having a clue about the insider info but hey it gave you chance to say the same thing for about a thousand times

I read all pmg’s post. Usually a few times a month he mentions how hard our coach has always worked. That he is very competitive. Patrick, although you don’t post as often seem to share the blind faith in the savior. That is what I understood from your posts. What else were you saying?
I am aware I am repetitive. Far from the only one. You just don’t like what I am saying.
After all of the defections I think it is very obvious their is a problem with culture. I believe you, pmg, and anyone else would agree if our coach was not Chris Mullin.

Quote from: Johnny23 on April 06, 2018, 11:47:16 AM

Quote from: TONYD3 on April 06, 2018, 11:33:05 AM

Quote from: patrick on April 06, 2018, 10:33:39 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 10:21:19 AM

Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PM

He quit, and left.  There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it,  Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. 

Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.

Bad culture...?    you have idea what you are talking about...    the one sound thing that is happening is the culture...  transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem...   stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" -  you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...

The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard...  they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish...   if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...

90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...

Your estimate is short by about 9%

Agree. It’s bad luck that our top recuits just don’t come. Brooks and Wilson. And bad luck 3 players left this year. Their families are delusional. 2 players left last year, must have been playing time issues. Amar tried to leave, thank goodness coach took him back. Sadly Amar never got any better or was recuited over. But I personally give him a pass. It was Lavin’s fault anyway. He stopped recruiting. He left the cupboards bare. It was him. Not our savior. You guys remember 1985. Felt like yesterday.
These fans are way to tough on our hero. We have won a game in March the last 2 years. We beat duke and nova. I barely remember the 11 game losing streak. So what if coach Mullin’s record is worse then Norm’s. Norm had experienced  Walkons. I give coach a pass! And it was Lavin’s fault any way. He had a big head and he didn’t wear a tie. Coach Mullin’s can that because, we’ll their is no real reason he can just do what ever he wants.
We are bringing in a bunch of new players.  We may not have 5 star or 4 star guys. But a few atleast have 1 Star. Trust the process!

How could you question Mullin and the culture here? I mean he's 12-40 in the Big East in 3 years. He's making over $2M/year to be in last place in the conference. He was a great player here 33 years ago and that means so much when it comes to his coaching today. What's to question?

At least you can spell. If nothing else you are better than Tony.

It’s not Mullin?

NIT is useless NCAA or bust and Lavin made 1 in first 4 years.

Subjective.  It's certainly not a tournament where I strive to wanna participate, but it has its usefulness (ie, our '88-'89 team and other teams throughout the country that had similarities to that particular squad).

I use to think it was useless during the days we were consistently making the "dance."  I soon learned that it can be beneficial based on your personnel.  So, it's not a tournament I'd totally dismiss. 

Quote from: we are sju on April 06, 2018, 11:50:04 AM

NIT is useless NCAA or bust and Lavin made 1 in first 4 years.

Subjective.  It's certainly not a tournament where I strive to wanna participate, but it has its usefulness (ie, our '88-'89 team and other teams throughout the country that had similarities to that particular squad).

I use to think it was useless during the days we were consistently making the "dance."  I soon learned that it can be beneficial based on your personnel.  So, it's not a tournament I'd totally dismiss. 

If we start banging out NIT's no one would be happy. No one was happy with Lavin's NIT's now just being brought up as part of revisionist history.
Sealy's frosh season when we won NIT that was a nice NIT because we were young and proved to be nice building block. Would have also been nice to make it when Harrison was a frosh.

I read all pmg’s post. Usually a few times a month he mentions how hard our coach has always worked. That he is very competitive. Patrick, although you don’t post as often seem to share the blind faith in the savior. That is what I understood from your posts. What else were you saying?
I am aware I am repetitive. Far from the only one. You just don’t like what I am saying.
After all of the defections I think it is very obvious their is a problem with culture. I believe you, pmg, and anyone else would agree if our coach was not Chris Mullin.

Has zero to do with BLIND FAITH in anyone... Blind faith is not me, except in one situation..

Not sure where I have ever said how hard Coach Mullin has worked but the being VERY competitive part if 100% accurate, he is and I know that from personal experience, not observation.

Do I have faith in Chris Mullin, yes I do....  can he do a better job, YES. I have said numerous times that he made a major mistake not having a veteran coach by his side (Ewing was ultra smart to hire Louis Orr). I think he needs to get rid of Mitch Richmond and bring in an experienced coach who has a track record of player development.  (Looking back, Lavin did his best job when he had Mike Dunlap sitting next to him)

Anyone who views/viewed a person taking on a head coaching role for the first time in their life as a savior doesn't understand how a Div I program works or the real dynamics of a coaching staff. The last 3 years as a fan of the program has sucked but things are headed in the right direction, its just not happening fast enough for a lot of people. I understand the frustration but the constant complaining and moaning and groaning is annoying. If people know so much and thing things are so bad -  stop coming or posting or watching until the change you want is made...

The school will have major decision to make come Sept, if they are pleased with the progress of the program, they must give Coach an extension. if they don't, recruiting becomes very difficult.

Quote from: mjdinkins on April 06, 2018, 12:35:09 PM

Quote from: we are sju on April 06, 2018, 11:50:04 AM

NIT is useless NCAA or bust and Lavin made 1 in first 4 years.

Subjective.  It's certainly not a tournament where I strive to wanna participate, but it has its usefulness (ie, our '88-'89 team and other teams throughout the country that had similarities to that particular squad).

I use to think it was useless during the days we were consistently making the "dance."  I soon learned that it can be beneficial based on your personnel.  So, it's not a tournament I'd totally dismiss. 

If we start banging out NIT's no one would be happy. No one was happy with Lavin's NIT's now just being brought up as part of revisionist history.

Who said anything about banging out NIT bids, Mr. Fallacy Man, lol?  I didn't mind the Lavin team who went to the NIT the year they beat St. Joe's.  That team was actually on the fence of the NCAA's before Harrison's suspension.  The team that went to the NIT the following season didn't sit well with me.

Sealy's frosh season when we won NIT that was a nice NIT because we were young and proved to be nice building block. Would have also been nice to make it when Harrison was a frosh.

My point, per Sealy's frosh season.  Our team was soooo youthful (5 freshmen, a JUDO, and with no point guard and not much of an inside game) to do much of anything Harrison's frosh season.  If everything had played out the way the staff thought, then it could've potentially been an NIT team/NCAA bubble team.