Quote from: Foad on April 06, 2018, 11:01:09 AMQuote from: rdstr25 on April 06, 2018, 10:51:24 AMSome of the defections are because the players/parents do not believe in Mullin is getting the most out of of their sons. Whether its right or wrong, is not for me to judge. There is no winning cultureWhy is not for you to judge eg whether Tariq Owens father is delusional, but it is for you to judge Mullin and the culture of the program, whatever that means. The former would seem easy to form judgments about, the latter not so much.Lets say, Owens has a great year, no matter where he goes, and gets drafted or signed by a NBA team. Would that make the father delusional for pulling TO from SJU? No it wouldn't, so why would i judge a father who wants the best for his son? The criticism of Mullin and the program is warranted, considering there has been little development of players to help build a foundation-especially for a program that needs upperclassmen to win.
Quote from: rdstr25 on April 06, 2018, 10:51:24 AMSome of the defections are because the players/parents do not believe in Mullin is getting the most out of of their sons. Whether its right or wrong, is not for me to judge. There is no winning cultureWhy is not for you to judge eg whether Tariq Owens father is delusional, but it is for you to judge Mullin and the culture of the program, whatever that means. The former would seem easy to form judgments about, the latter not so much.
Some of the defections are because the players/parents do not believe in Mullin is getting the most out of of their sons. Whether its right or wrong, is not for me to judge. There is no winning culture
Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 10:21:19 AMQuote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PMHe quit, and left. There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it, Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.Bad culture...? you have idea what you are talking about... the one sound thing that is happening is the culture... transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem... stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" - you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard... they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish... if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...Actually I do have a clue, which is why I bring up a lot of the things I do. Yes, the kids like each other, and played hard throughout the season, but that does not truly define the culture of a program. Some of the defections are because the players/parents do not believe in Mullin is getting the most out of of their sons. Whether its right or wrong, is not for me to judge. There is no winning culture around this program, and like I have said in past, HS and AAU coaches have become more and more reluctant to send one of their prize kids to SJU.You bring up this is the landscape of college basketball, and to some degree it is. The mid majors are getting beat up left and right by the transfer game. However in the big east over the past 5 years, less than 2.5% of players have left the conference. A big reason for that is because coaches in the league have built a culture of stability, something that Mullin was supposed to bring when SJU hired him.
Quote from: rdstr25 on April 05, 2018, 04:33:16 PMHe quit, and left. There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it, Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.Bad culture...? you have idea what you are talking about... the one sound thing that is happening is the culture... transfers happen everywhere, its not a St. John's problem, its a college basketball problem... stability in the roster would be great but don't forget, you see a kid "leaving" - you have no clue if the kid was politely given the option to say he was leaving when in fact he was told there would not be a spot for him next year or his role would not expand...The play needs to better, the coaching needs to be better but the kids playing play hard... they work hard, they get along and the kids here are not selfish... if the problems with the culture were so bad, there is no way a team bounces back from an 0 - 11 league start the way this team did...90% of the "fans" have ZERO clue as to what is going on with the program, the players or the coach...
He quit, and left. There is a very bad culture going on at sju right now. However you want to slice it, Mullin has 0 control over his program right now with all these defections since year one. Like I said other day, bringing in projects with opportunity to play is easy part. The hard part of developing and sustainability is what staff is failing miserably in.
Quote from: TONYD3 on April 06, 2018, 12:21:33 PMI read all pmg’s post. Usually a few times a month he mentions how hard our coach has always worked. That he is very competitive. Patrick, although you don’t post as often seem to share the blind faith in the savior. That is what I understood from your posts. What else were you saying? I am aware I am repetitive. Far from the only one. You just don’t like what I am saying. After all of the defections I think it is very obvious their is a problem with culture. I believe you, pmg, and anyone else would agree if our coach was not Chris Mullin.Has zero to do with BLIND FAITH in anyone... Blind faith is not me, except in one situation..Not sure where I have ever said how hard Coach Mullin has worked but the being VERY competitive part if 100% accurate, he is and I know that from personal experience, not observation.Do I have faith in Chris Mullin, yes I do.... can he do a better job, YES. I have said numerous times that he made a major mistake not having a veteran coach by his side (Ewing was ultra smart to hire Louis Orr). I think he needs to get rid of Mitch Richmond and bring in an experienced coach who has a track record of player development. (Looking back, Lavin did his best job when he had Mike Dunlap sitting next to him)Anyone who views/viewed a person taking on a head coaching role for the first time in their life as a savior doesn't understand how a Div I program works or the real dynamics of a coaching staff. The last 3 years as a fan of the program has sucked but things are headed in the right direction, its just not happening fast enough for a lot of people. I understand the frustration but the constant complaining and moaning and groaning is annoying. If people know so much and thing things are so bad - stop coming or posting or watching until the change you want is made...The school will have major decision to make come Sept, if they are pleased with the progress of the program, they must give Coach an extension. if they don't, recruiting becomes very difficult.
I read all pmg’s post. Usually a few times a month he mentions how hard our coach has always worked. That he is very competitive. Patrick, although you don’t post as often seem to share the blind faith in the savior. That is what I understood from your posts. What else were you saying? I am aware I am repetitive. Far from the only one. You just don’t like what I am saying. After all of the defections I think it is very obvious their is a problem with culture. I believe you, pmg, and anyone else would agree if our coach was not Chris Mullin.
Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 01:02:09 PMQuote from: TONYD3 on April 06, 2018, 12:21:33 PMI read all pmg’s post. Usually a few times a month he mentions how hard our coach has always worked. That he is very competitive. Patrick, although you don’t post as often seem to share the blind faith in the savior. That is what I understood from your posts. What else were you saying? I am aware I am repetitive. Far from the only one. You just don’t like what I am saying. After all of the defections I think it is very obvious their is a problem with culture. I believe you, pmg, and anyone else would agree if our coach was not Chris Mullin.Has zero to do with BLIND FAITH in anyone... Blind faith is not me, except in one situation..Not sure where I have ever said how hard Coach Mullin has worked but the being VERY competitive part if 100% accurate, he is and I know that from personal experience, not observation.Do I have faith in Chris Mullin, yes I do.... can he do a better job, YES. I have said numerous times that he made a major mistake not having a veteran coach by his side (Ewing was ultra smart to hire Louis Orr). I think he needs to get rid of Mitch Richmond and bring in an experienced coach who has a track record of player development. (Looking back, Lavin did his best job when he had Mike Dunlap sitting next to him)Anyone who views/viewed a person taking on a head coaching role for the first time in their life as a savior doesn't understand how a Div I program works or the real dynamics of a coaching staff. The last 3 years as a fan of the program has sucked but things are headed in the right direction, its just not happening fast enough for a lot of people. I understand the frustration but the constant complaining and moaning and groaning is annoying. If people know so much and thing things are so bad - stop coming or posting or watching until the change you want is made...The school will have major decision to make come Sept, if they are pleased with the progress of the program, they must give Coach an extension. if they don't, recruiting becomes very difficult.Quote from: pmg911 on April 06, 2018, 01:02:09 PMQuote from: TONYD3 on April 06, 2018, 12:21:33 PMI read all pmg’s post. Usually a few times a month he mentions how hard our coach has always worked. That he is very competitive. Patrick, although you don’t post as often seem to share the blind faith in the savior. That is what I understood from your posts. What else were you saying? I am aware I am repetitive. Far from the only one. You just don’t like what I am saying. After all of the defections I think it is very obvious their is a problem with culture. I believe you, pmg, and anyone else would agree if our coach was not Chris Mullin.Has zero to do with BLIND FAITH in anyone... Blind faith is not me, except in one situation..Not sure where I have ever said how hard Coach Mullin has worked but the being VERY competitive part if 100% accurate, he is and I know that from personal experience, not observation.Do I have faith in Chris Mullin, yes I do.... can he do a better job, YES. I have said numerous times that he made a major mistake not having a veteran coach by his side (Ewing was ultra smart to hire Louis Orr). I think he needs to get rid of Mitch Richmond and bring in an experienced coach who has a track record of player development. (Looking back, Lavin did his best job when he had Mike Dunlap sitting next to him)Anyone who views/viewed a person taking on a head coaching role for the first time in their life as a savior doesn't understand how a Div I program works or the real dynamics of a coaching staff. The last 3 years as a fan of the program has sucked but things are headed in the right direction, its just not happening fast enough for a lot of people. I understand the frustration but the constant complaining and moaning and groaning is annoying. If people know so much and thing things are so bad - stop coming or posting or watching until the change you want is made...The school will have major decision to make come Sept, if they are pleased with the progress of the program, they must give Coach an extension. if they don't, recruiting becomes very difficult.Agree he made mistakes. As does everyone. My problem is he hasn’t tried to fix them. He seems very arrogant. The staff should have been fixed. Now it’s not a mistake. Now it’s negligence. Complete disrespect for the job. That is the way I see it. I have never tried to annoy you most personally. You saying that we are headed in the right direction makes absolute 0 sense to me. That is why their is sometimes constant complaining. Positive comments can also be inflammatory. The decision to extend shouldn’t be hard at all. Either we win games and get good players or we don’t. Next year seems like we have worse or atleast the same talent as this year. Let him earn an extension.
Agree he made mistakes. As does everyone. My problem is he hasn’t tried to fix them. He seems very arrogant. The staff should have been fixed. Now it’s not a mistake. Now it’s negligence. Complete disrespect for the job. That is the way I see it. I have never tried to annoy you or most personally. You saying that we are headed in the right direction makes absolute 0 sense to me. That is why their is sometimes constant complaining. Positive comments can also be inflammatory. The decision to extend shouldn’t be hard at all. Either we win games and get good players or we don’t. Next year seems like we have worse or atleast the same talent as this year. Let him earn an extension.
Quote from: TONYD3 on April 06, 2018, 02:02:59 PMAgree he made mistakes. As does everyone. My problem is he hasn’t tried to fix them. He seems very arrogant. The staff should have been fixed. Now it’s not a mistake. Now it’s negligence. Complete disrespect for the job. That is the way I see it. I have never tried to annoy you or most personally. You saying that we are headed in the right direction makes absolute 0 sense to me. That is why their is sometimes constant complaining. Positive comments can also be inflammatory. The decision to extend shouldn’t be hard at all. Either we win games and get good players or we don’t. Next year seems like we have worse or atleast the same talent as this year. Let him earn an extension. The Lovett injury/quitting killed the progress this year...They were 10 -2 and playing good basketball... Lovett got hurt and then quit.... season derailed... the team was not good enough to sustain the loss of 14ppg, just the reality of the situation.It was great to see Ponds blossom into a special player but the team would have been much better off having Lovett plating all year...
Zach BAs @AdamZagoria reported, St Johns transfer Kassoum Yakwe will visit UConn this weekend. Pittsburgh, Nevada, Ohio State all involved, I’m told. #sjubb
Quite the list.Wonder what he's really looking for as far as playing time, level of comp, development or academic.
Quote from: RedStormNC on April 13, 2018, 12:45:19 PMQuite the list.Wonder what he's really looking for as far as playing time, level of comp, development or academic. jiAcademic? All those schools are for shit as far as academics. Unless he wants an engineering degree at osu
Quote from: wpc77 on April 13, 2018, 07:30:43 PMQuote from: RedStormNC on April 13, 2018, 12:45:19 PMQuite the list.Wonder what he's really looking for as far as playing time, level of comp, development or academic. jiAcademic? All those schools are for shit as far as academics. Unless he wants an engineering degree at osuAll of those universities ( with Nevada being an exception) have powerful alumni connections that will make Yawke life easier if he earns a graduate degree from those institutions. Uconn has plenty of law, Accounting, Risk management, actuary and Finance alumni that can easily offer him a great career. University of Pitt has one of the best engineering programs in the nation. If he wanted a engineering degree Pitt would offer him fantastic opportunities. Finally, The Ohio State alumni are everywhere in the Midwest; plus their sports programs give them added prestige as well. Don’t hate on the kid. He’s not going to the league so he needs a education. Those connections he’ll pick up at whatever grad school will probably benefit him more than anything else.
Quote from: wpc77 on April 13, 2018, 07:30:43 PMQuote from: RedStormNC on April 13, 2018, 12:45:19 PMQuite the list.Wonder what he's really looking for as far as playing time, level of comp, development or academic. jiAcademic? All those schools are for shit as far as academics. Unless he wants an engineering degree at osuWhere does St.John’s rank compared to Uconn?
Quote from: Poison on April 13, 2018, 09:19:52 PMQuote from: wpc77 on April 13, 2018, 07:30:43 PMQuote from: RedStormNC on April 13, 2018, 12:45:19 PMQuite the list.Wonder what he's really looking for as far as playing time, level of comp, development or academic. jiAcademic? All those schools are for shit as far as academics. Unless he wants an engineering degree at osuWhere does St.John’s rank compared to Uconn?To be fair, SJU is a Vincentian run university vs a state run behemoth in Connecticut (688 million vs 2.3 billion) . And with that difference we still have a more powerful alumni base. NYC >>> Connecticut
Quote from: Foryoureyesonly88 on April 13, 2018, 09:38:06 PMQuote from: Poison on April 13, 2018, 09:19:52 PMQuote from: wpc77 on April 13, 2018, 07:30:43 PMQuote from: RedStormNC on April 13, 2018, 12:45:19 PMQuite the list.Wonder what he's really looking for as far as playing time, level of comp, development or academic. jiAcademic? All those schools are for shit as far as academics. Unless he wants an engineering degree at osuWhere does St.John’s rank compared to Uconn?To be fair, SJU is a Vincentian run university vs a state run behemoth in Connecticut (688 million vs 2.3 billion) . And with that difference we still have a more powerful alumni base. NYC >>> Connecticut St.John’s is not in Uconn’s class academically. My point was only that Yakwe is not hurting his future job prospects by choosing Uconn over St.John’s.