Athlon 2018-2019

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Is Heron better than Ponds? Haven't seen too much of him

If he is this is a final four team.

Settle down.

Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. His point is a good one

Ponds is excellent but not top 5

Ponds is top 5. A fair point can be made that he’s the best player in the country.

Who is better than him?

I’m struggling to see how Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. The team finished 9th in the big east last year and didn’t even make the NIT. Top five players carry teams to the dance by themselves. See Trae Young last year. If he is this will be an exciting year for Johnny fans.

We couldn't handle, rebound, or score down low. Ponds was double and triple teamed all year. The spacing was nonexistent with Simon on the perimeter and no inside scoring threat. How can one player make up for all of that?

Markelle Fultz was the #1 overall pick after winning just 9 games, and he played with four top 100 recruits.

LSU went just 20-10 with a soph Shaq and lost by 17 pts in the first round of the tournament. Shaw was the most dominant player in the history of basketball.

It's so easy to shut down a team with one star.

Anyone who thinks Shaq was the most dominant player in basketball should stop following the game and consult the history books.  He was less dominant than, among others, Russell, Chamberlain, Jabbar, Jordan, Bird, Oscar, West, Baylor, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, some big white guy from the 50s whose name escapes me and Im too lazy to look up and his teammate.    Are you serious man or are you a soccer fan?

Ponds is a top 25 college player. No shame in that at all. A lot of great players around the country.

Probably top 10

Quote from: Johnny23 on September 15, 2018, 12:05:47 PM

Ponds is a top 25 college player. No shame in that at all. A lot of great players around the country.

Disgusting post.

Why? your comment is shortsighted and its Johnnys opinion.  He could be anywhere from 6 or less thru 25 but if he is efficient and doesn't try to be a oneman show with this much improved team he will be valuable and recognized as such.     

CJ, Karl malone more dominant than shaq? You can’t be serious

Anyone who thinks Shaq was the most dominant player in basketball should stop following the game and consult the history books.  He was less dominant than, among others, Russell, Chamberlain, Jabbar, Jordan, Bird, Oscar, West, Baylor, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, some big white guy from the 50s whose name escapes me and Im too lazy to look up and his teammate.    Are you serious man or are you a soccer fan?

Bill Russell won 2 NCAA champion ships in two years, an Olympic gold medal and 7 of 9 NBA championships, all of that  in 12 years of basketball. He was the most dominant athlete in any sport who ever lived and that said the 2nd greatest basketball player who  ever lived behind Wilt. Shaq was not worthy to suck either of their big black dicks.

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Quote from: Marco Baldi on September 13, 2018, 03:43:07 PM

Is Heron better than Ponds? Haven't seen too much of him

If he is this is a final four team.

Settle down.

Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. His point is a good one

Ponds is excellent but not top 5

Ponds is top 5. A fair point can be made that he’s the best player in the country.

Who is better than him?

I’m struggling to see how Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. The team finished 9th in the big east last year and didn’t even make the NIT. Top five players carry teams to the dance by themselves. See Trae Young last year. If he is this will be an exciting year for Johnny fans.

We couldn't handle, rebound, or score down low. Ponds was double and triple teamed all year. The spacing was nonexistent with Simon on the perimeter and no inside scoring threat. How can one player make up for all of that?

Markelle Fultz was the #1 overall pick after winning just 9 games, and he played with four top 100 recruits.

LSU went just 20-10 with a soph Shaq and lost by 17 pts in the first round of the tournament. Shaw was the most dominant player in the history of basketball.

It's so easy to shut down a team with one star.

Trae Young had zero help and managed to carry that team as a freshman. Marcus Camby, John Wallace, there are many examples to support both positions. What then is your expectations for the team this year? If they fail to meet it, who would it be on?

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Quote from: Marco Baldi on September 13, 2018, 03:43:07 PM

Is Heron better than Ponds? Haven't seen too much of him

If he is this is a final four team.

Settle down.

Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. His point is a good one

Ponds is excellent but not top 5

Ponds is top 5. A fair point can be made that he’s the best player in the country.

Who is better than him?

I’m struggling to see how Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. The team finished 9th in the big east last year and didn’t even make the NIT. Top five players carry teams to the dance by themselves. See Trae Young last year. If he is this will be an exciting year for Johnny fans.

It's got nothing to do with the team. Just talking about the player. He's the best scoring guard in the country. Who is better?

In regards to team success, St.John's hasn't given Shamorie a full team to work with.

Quote from: SJUFAN on September 15, 2018, 11:15:53 AM

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Quote from: Marco Baldi on September 13, 2018, 03:43:07 PM

Is Heron better than Ponds? Haven't seen too much of him

If he is this is a final four team.

Settle down.

Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. His point is a good one

Ponds is excellent but not top 5

Ponds is top 5. A fair point can be made that he’s the best player in the country.

Who is better than him?

I’m struggling to see how Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. The team finished 9th in the big east last year and didn’t even make the NIT. Top five players carry teams to the dance by themselves. See Trae Young last year. If he is this will be an exciting year for Johnny fans.

It's got nothing to do with the team. Just talking about the player. He's the best scoring guard in the country. Who is better?

In regards to team success, St.John's hasn't given Shamorie a full team to work with.

Shamorie's got a full team this year. No more excuses for him. No more excuses for Mullin. This is THE year they need to take the next step.

CJ, Karl malone more dominant than shaq? You can’t be serious

I am.  Look at this numbers and the fact that he was close every year with a great but midget Stockton and not much else. Shaq had Kobe, arguably a top 10 all time and a much better supporting staff and at Miame he was loaded as well.

Quote from: Amaseinyourface2 on September 15, 2018, 08:21:42 PM

CJ, Karl malone more dominant than shaq? You can’t be serious

I am.  Look at this numbers and the fact that he was close every year with a great but midget Stockton and not much else. Shaq had Kobe, arguably a top 10 all time and a much better supporting staff and at Miame he was loaded as well.

The original statement was Shaq was the most dominant college players so pro career is irrelevant. Also claim of moses malone being more dominant is incorrect as Moses never played college ball.

Quote from: Marillac on September 15, 2018, 11:52:40 AM

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Is Heron better than Ponds? Haven't seen too much of him

If he is this is a final four team.

Settle down.

Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. His point is a good one

Ponds is excellent but not top 5

Ponds is top 5. A fair point can be made that he’s the best player in the country.

Who is better than him?

I’m struggling to see how Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. The team finished 9th in the big east last year and didn’t even make the NIT. Top five players carry teams to the dance by themselves. See Trae Young last year. If he is this will be an exciting year for Johnny fans.

We couldn't handle, rebound, or score down low. Ponds was double and triple teamed all year. The spacing was nonexistent with Simon on the perimeter and no inside scoring threat. How can one player make up for all of that?

Markelle Fultz was the #1 overall pick after winning just 9 games, and he played with four top 100 recruits.

LSU went just 20-10 with a soph Shaq and lost by 17 pts in the first round of the tournament. Shaw was the most dominant player in the history of basketball.

It's so easy to shut down a team with one star.

Anyone who thinks Shaq was the most dominant player in basketball should stop following the game and consult the history books.  He was less dominant than, among others, Russell, Chamberlain, Jabbar, Jordan, Bird, Oscar, West, Baylor, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, some big white guy from the 50s whose name escapes me and Im too lazy to look up and his teammate.    Are you serious man or are you a soccer fan?

Shaq literally forced the league to change the defensive rules or he would have won the next ten championships. In shape, Shaq was by far the most dominant player of all time. Not the best, the most dominant. He was so big and strong he couldn't be defended without fouling. He had no peer. I doubt we'll ever see someone physically dominate the game the way he did.

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Quote from: Marco Baldi on September 13, 2018, 03:43:07 PM

Is Heron better than Ponds? Haven't seen too much of him

If he is this is a final four team.

Settle down.

Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. His point is a good one

Ponds is excellent but not top 5

Ponds is top 5. A fair point can be made that he’s the best player in the country.

Who is better than him?

I’m struggling to see how Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. The team finished 9th in the big east last year and didn’t even make the NIT. Top five players carry teams to the dance by themselves. See Trae Young last year. If he is this will be an exciting year for Johnny fans.

We couldn't handle, rebound, or score down low. Ponds was double and triple teamed all year. The spacing was nonexistent with Simon on the perimeter and no inside scoring threat. How can one player make up for all of that?

Markelle Fultz was the #1 overall pick after winning just 9 games, and he played with four top 100 recruits.

LSU went just 20-10 with a soph Shaq and lost by 17 pts in the first round of the tournament. Shaw was the most dominant player in the history of basketball.

It's so easy to shut down a team with one star.

Trae Young had zero help and managed to carry that team as a freshman. Marcus Camby, John Wallace, there are many examples to support both positions. What then is your expectations for the team this year? If they fail to meet it, who would it be on?

John Wallace didn't have help? Are you crazy? That was one of the best Syracuse teams of all time! Otis Hill, Jason Capola, Lazarus Sims, and Todd Burgan were all named all-Big East! They had top 75 players that didn't even sniff the court (and Donovan McNabb).

Umass was also a monster team. They were 30-5 and 24-7 the two years before Camby! Camby averaged only 15.1 points and 7.0 rebounds per game in his college career.

As for OU, they had nowhere near as much talent as those machines but McGusty was RSCI #38, they had a bunch of 4-star guys, had back to back top 3 recruiting classes in the Big 12 and still only won 18 games with 8-10 conference record with a ridiculous talent like Trae Young and a proven coach like Lon Kruger. They had 5 guys 6'9-6'11. We had one and he weighed nothing.

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Quote from: Marco Baldi on September 13, 2018, 03:43:07 PM

Is Heron better than Ponds? Haven't seen too much of him

If he is this is a final four team.

Settle down.

Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. His point is a good one

Ponds is excellent but not top 5

Ponds is top 5. A fair point can be made that he’s the best player in the country.

Who is better than him?

I’m struggling to see how Ponds is a top 5 player in the country. The team finished 9th in the big east last year and didn’t even make the NIT. Top five players carry teams to the dance by themselves. See Trae Young last year. If he is this will be an exciting year for Johnny fans.

It's got nothing to do with the team. Just talking about the player. He's the best scoring guard in the country. Who is better?

In regards to team success, St.John's hasn't given Shamorie a full team to work with.

Shamorie's got a full team this year. No more excuses for him. No more excuses for Mullin. This is THE year they need to take the next step.

Why on earth would Ponds need to make excuses? He’s a first team All BE player, and the best player we’ve had in 15 years. Maybe longer.

The pressure is all on Mullin, and that’s where it belongs.

In mid-October pundits will unanimously vote Shamorie pre-season BE MVP and he will either land on the 1st or 2nd All-American team, there is no debate.

Shaq literally forced the league to change the defensive rules or he would have won the next ten championships. In shape, Shaq was by far the most dominant player of all time. Not the best, the most dominant. He was so big and strong he couldn't be defended without fouling. He had no peer. I doubt we'll ever see someone physically dominate the game the way he did.

You're delusional. Half a dozen basketball rules were created to thwart Wilt Chamberlain. THe lane was created to thwart WC. Offensive and defensive goal tending were created to thwart WC. Rules about inbounding the basketball were changed to thwart Chamberlain. And he was still the greatest BB player who ever lived. Shaq would be lucky to suck Wilt's dick and he'd be last in a long line.  Stop: you're embarrassing yourself and you don't embarrass easily.

John Wallace didn't have help? Are you crazy? That was one of the best Syracuse teams of all time! Otis Hill, Jason Capola, Lazarus Sims, and Todd Burgan were all named all-Big East! They had top 75 players that didn't even sniff the court (and Donovan McNabb).

Are you on drugs? John Wallace wasn't even the best player on Syracuse, Lawrence Moten was. Lazurus Sims? Jason Cipolla? were all BE?  Over Ray Allen? Allen Iverson? send it in Jerome Willams? Adrian Griffin? Felipe Lopez? Zendon Hamilton? Danya Abrams? Donny Marshall? Othella Harrington? Seriously, are you on drugs? Because I'll have what you're having

Ponds made entire teams full of All-Americans look like jag-offs last season.   Loaded Duke and Nova teams looked helpless to defend him.  Regardless of how our season ended, there are few if any scorers better than he, and he didn’t even shoot well.  He rebounds astoundingly well for a short scoring guard.  Add Heron and the slew of new talent coupled with some excellent players in Simon, Martin etc and I think we have the makings.  Ponds though is easy All American regardless.  Top 10 at worst.

Quote from: Marillac on September 16, 2018, 07:40:46 PM

John Wallace didn't have help? Are you crazy? That was one of the best Syracuse teams of all time! Otis Hill, Jason Capola, Lazarus Sims, and Todd Burgan were all named all-Big East! They had top 75 players that didn't even sniff the court (and Donovan McNabb).

Are you on drugs? John Wallace wasn't even the best player on Syracuse, Lawrence Moten was. Lazurus Sims? Jason Cipolla? were all BE?  Over Ray Allen? Allen Iverson? send it in Jerome Willams? Adrian Griffin? Felipe Lopez? Zendon Hamilton? Danya Abrams? Donny Marshall? Othella Harrington? Seriously, are you on drugs? Because I'll have what you're having

Out of that group, Cipolla was the most overrated. Otis Hill, Todd Burgan and Lazarus Sims, or “Z” as my SU friends called him, were great in 95-96. If you recall, Z was a bust for 3 years not unlike our own David Cain who put it all together for his senior season. John Wallace wasn’t a bust but he hadn’t lived up to the hype. In 1996, he did. He ate us alive that season. He ate everyone.

I don’t know how you could mention Lopez and Hamilton as more deserving players. Completely different level of basketball. A guy like Zendon wouldn’t even make Boeheim’s rotation. He’s not smart enough.

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Quote from: Marillac on September 16, 2018, 07:40:46 PM

John Wallace didn't have help? Are you crazy? That was one of the best Syracuse teams of all time! Otis Hill, Jason Capola, Lazarus Sims, and Todd Burgan were all named all-Big East! They had top 75 players that didn't even sniff the court (and Donovan McNabb).

Are you on drugs? John Wallace wasn't even the best player on Syracuse, Lawrence Moten was. Lazurus Sims? Jason Cipolla? were all BE?  Over Ray Allen? Allen Iverson? send it in Jerome Willams? Adrian Griffin? Felipe Lopez? Zendon Hamilton? Danya Abrams? Donny Marshall? Othella Harrington? Seriously, are you on drugs? Because I'll have what you're having

Out of that group, Cipolla was the most overrated. Otis Hill, Todd Burgan and Lazarus Sims, or “Z” as my SU friends called him, were great in 95-96. If you recall, Z was a bust for 3 years not unlike our own David Cain who put it all together for his senior season. John Wallace wasn’t a bust but he hadn’t lived up to the hype. In 1996, he did. He ate us alive that season. He ate everyone.

I don’t know how you could mention Lopez and Hamilton as more deserving players. Completely different level of basketball. A guy like Zendon wouldn’t even make Boeheim’s rotation. He’s not smart enough.

Oh yea, that back line of the 2-3 has been stock piled with geniuses over the years   

Quote from: Marillac on September 16, 2018, 07:40:46 PM

John Wallace didn't have help? Are you crazy? That was one of the best Syracuse teams of all time! Otis Hill, Jason Capola, Lazarus Sims, and Todd Burgan were all named all-Big East! They had top 75 players that didn't even sniff the court (and Donovan McNabb).

Are you on drugs? John Wallace wasn't even the best player on Syracuse, Lawrence Moten was. Lazurus Sims? Jason Cipolla? were all BE?  Over Ray Allen? Allen Iverson? send it in Jerome Willams? Adrian Griffin? Felipe Lopez? Zendon Hamilton? Danya Abrams? Donny Marshall? Othella Harrington? Seriously, are you on drugs? Because I'll have what you're having

Moten was absolutely better than Wallace, I agree, but he left the year prior to Cuse's national championship run--which I assumed the OP was referencing or his point would have been even more ridiculous.

Wallace couldn't defend anyone and he was lucky Burgan and Otis Hill were very good defenders to pick him up.

All those guys I mentioned made an all-Big East team at some point and played big roles in the tournament run. Burgan scored 19 in both the final four and nc games. Sims had 9 assists and 0 turnovers in the final four--I was young then but I remember him playing a near perfect game (and then horribly in the NC game).