What is the solution?

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What is the solution?
« on: March 09, 2019, 07:51:06 PM »
Honest conversation about what can help Saint John’s become a quality program.

Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2019, 08:31:43 PM »
A head coach and his BFF that dont run program like NBA roster
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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2019, 08:38:15 PM »
Fire Mullin graciously at end of year. In the meantime make a wish list from punchers chance to coaches who want to be here and spend the next 3 months trying to find someone who is willing to put the effort in to making the program a contender for ncaa tourney year in and year out. Presequites should be someone who is currently a HC or a top assistant with some ties to the tri state area or willing to put coaches on staff with a high reputation for recruiting HS kids successfully.

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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2019, 08:52:01 PM »
A change needs to be made. Mullin has shown no improvement over the four years. The team stopped playing for the coach.


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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2019, 08:52:45 PM »
If we miss the tournament, I think Chris will bow out gracefully.  I believe his wife is living back in Cali so this is a real possibility
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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2019, 09:02:22 PM »
Another sub. 500 conf season in a down year for the league. Not cutting it at all.

Let's hope Cragg is targeting Nate Oats and other top mid major coaches. That's the real answer.

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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2019, 09:05:03 PM »
Discussing the future of the program hours after a loss is unwise.

This is a very flawed team. Our bigs don’t rebound. Clark in particular is the worst rebounding and defending starting 4 or 5 in the conference. Keita is an embarrassment rebounding.

How do you win with two players like Simon and Clark? It’s bery tough.

We can potentially be much better next season under several scenarios.

goredmen

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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2019, 09:13:07 PM »
Discussing the future of the program hours after a loss is unwise.

This is a very flawed team. Our bigs don’t rebound. Clark in particular is the worst rebounding and defending starting 4 or 5 in the conference. Keita is an embarrassment rebounding.

How do you win with two players like Simon and Clark? It’s bery tough.

We can potentially be much better next season under several scenarios.

As of November this team was really going to improve in February and March with these players.

As of a little over a month ago we were gonna beat Duke with these players.

As of just a couple weeks ago we were going to kick Virginia's dicks in with these players.

But now it's very tough to win with these players.

As of now we'll be much better next season.

As of now, and as has always been the case, you are an idiot

Marillac

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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2019, 09:14:58 PM »
As of November this team was really going to improve in February and March with these players.

As of a little over a month ago we were gonna beat Duke with these players.

As of just a couple weeks ago we were going to kick Virginia's dicks in with these players.

But now it's very tough to win with these players.

As of now we'll be much better next season.

As of now, and as has always been the case, you are an idiot

Are you on drugs? You said we had Sweet 16 talent. I said we had a long way to even be considered good.

goredmen

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2019, 09:16:51 PM »
Are you on drugs? You said we had Sweet 16 talent. I said we had a long way to even be considered good.

Yeah and I stand by that unlike you who contradicts himself every 3 minutes. Not to mention you indirectly said that also when you said we would kick Virginia's dicks in if we were an 8/9 in their region. But I guess we still had a long way to go when you said we would beat the team with 4 lottery picks on the road for a full month leading up to that game.

The talent is there. It's everything else that's the problem.
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Marillac

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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2019, 09:25:11 PM »
Yeah and I stand by that unlike you who contradicts himself every 3 minutes. Not to mention you indirectly said that also when you said we would kick Virginia's dicks in if we were an 8/9 in their region. But I guess we still had a long way to go when you said we would beat the team with 4 lottery picks on the road for a full month leading up to that game.

The talent is there. It's everything else that's the problem.

I predicted we would beat Duke last year with two top ten picks. Since 1998 we have either beaten or played Duke well when we were good. For the record, you agreed with me that we had a chance to beat them—your memory is unbelievably bad.

I evaluate based on the evidence available at the time. I expected this team to learn some lessons in January and February to change some behaviors. They haven’t. And now Heron is hurting.

As far as UVA...it’s the only 1-3 seed I can see us beating. They are small, aren’t deep, they don’t kill anyone on the offensive glass, and they live and die by the outside shot. If they are off and we are on we can beat them. That’s about as good as this team can hope for.


Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2019, 09:29:07 PM »
Yeah and I stand by that unlike you who contradicts himself every 3 minutes. Not to mention you indirectly said that also when you said we would kick Virginia's dicks in if we were an 8/9 in their region. But I guess we still had a long way to go when you said we would beat the team with 4 lottery picks on the road for a full month leading up to that game.

The talent is there. It's everything else that's the problem.

I think we have Sweet 16 talent that hasn’t been playing like it these last few games. Clark has been missing shots and taking bad ones, Heron has been hurt and Ponds, while still producing good numbers a few games hasn’t had those signature takeover stretches. LJ has been great and Simon has mostly been the same which is a problem if others are lagging.

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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2019, 09:30:59 PM »
There needs to be an true un-biased assessment of the staff. They played the same exact way they played when many of you were sticking out their chest off a 12-0 start and refused to acknowledge the glaring issues that plagued the team, the coaching issues.

Matter of fact, they played the same way they played last year, and the year before. Its clear that many of you don’t realize we had a decent roster last year, well, a better roster than the results indicated.

We need a new staff. Did you see the what Mullin told the team in the huddle? “They can’t run with us! Rebound the ball and go”. There is no way this team should have beat us, twice no less. They have NO ball handlers! Demand Ponds plays with a sense of urgency, extend your bench, and full court trap them!

goredmen

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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2019, 09:37:17 PM »
I predicted we would beat Duke last year with two top ten picks. Since 1998 we have either beaten or played Duke well when we were good. For the record, you agreed with me that we had a chance to beat them—your memory is unbelievably bad.

I evaluate based on the evidence available at the time. I expected this team to learn some lessons in January and February to change some behaviors. They haven’t. And now Heron is hurting.

As far as UVA...it’s the only 1-3 seed I can see us beating. They are small, aren’t deep, they don’t kill anyone on the offensive glass, and they live and die by the outside shot. If they are off and we are on we can beat them. That’s about as good as this team can hope for.



I absolutely never agreed that we had a chance to beat Duke at Cameron this year. I was the one that knew the point spread would be in the range of 20 points so it wasn't me that said we'd have a chance to beat them.

So you expected this team to improve in January and February. On the surface, that's fair. Now that that didn't happen you claim the team just isn't talented. The talent is the same as it was in November when you made that declaration, but now you are throwing the players under the bus rather than the coaching. Also, if you recall it was me that said there was no reason to believe we would improve more than every other team given our experience, a point which you vehemently disagreed with at the time.

It was just a few weeks ago when you didn't say that you could us beating Virginia, but would "kick their dicks in." So this now untalented SJU team was going to kick the dicks in of a team that has been pulverizing everybody except for Duke. And you are still saying you could see us beating them after making fun of me for saying we had Sweet 16 talent.

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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2019, 09:39:16 PM »
I evaluate based on the evidence available at the time. I expected this team to learn some lessons in January and February to change some behaviors. They haven’t.

Stop it. There is talent on the team. It’s the staff who is lacking. They have to be taught in order to learn.


goredmen

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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2019, 09:40:20 PM »
I think we have Sweet 16 talent that hasn’t been playing like it these last few games. Clark has been missing shots and taking bad ones, Heron has been hurt and Ponds, while still producing good numbers a few games hasn’t had those signature takeover stretches. LJ has been great and Simon has mostly been the same which is a problem if others are lagging.

The talent is there. Rewatch this game and count how many absolutely horrific shots were taken by this team today, a problem that has persisted for years now. If this team just cut down on the amount of bad shots taken, a very fixable problem, they'd be exponentially better. And I don't blame the players for it.

Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2019, 09:43:47 PM »
The talent is there. Rewatch this game and count how many absolutely horrific shots were taken by this team today, a problem that has persisted for years now. If this team just cut down on the amount of bad shots taken, a very fixable problem, they'd be exponentially better. And I don't blame the players for it.
Especially Simon with his whirling dervish moves.

goredmen

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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2019, 09:47:32 PM »
Especially Simon with his whirling dervish moves.

Yes, Simon is usually the one that causes the most bury my face in my hands and scream WHY at the TV like a mental patient because of poor shot selection. Unfortunately he isn't the only one. Even Trimble took an incredibly dumb contested 3 with plenty of time on the shot clock after a couple of token jab steps that wouldn't have fooled Darren Rovell

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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2019, 10:01:49 PM »
Yes, Simon is usually the one that causes the most bury my face in my hands and scream WHY at the TV like a mental patient because of poor shot selection. Unfortunately he isn't the only one. Even Trimble took an incredibly dumb contested 3 with plenty of time on the shot clock after a couple of token jab steps that wouldn't have fooled Darren Rovell

They are allowed to. How stubborn or stupid can you be to continue to run a “system” that don’t suit the players.

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Re: What is the solution?
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2019, 10:09:32 PM »
As bad as the staff is, even I didn’t believe we would finish in 7th place.
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