Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY - SETON HALL

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #220 on: December 30, 2012, 03:07:52 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #221 on: December 30, 2012, 06:58:43 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melon Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes hi numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #222 on: December 30, 2012, 07:03:12 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #223 on: December 30, 2012, 09:23:43 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson

And when did he become available?
Remember who broke the Slice news

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #224 on: December 30, 2012, 09:31:12 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson

And when did he become available?
He's not I was just making an example of NYC talent that we could of used right about now

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #225 on: December 30, 2012, 09:54:44 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson

And when did he become available?
He's not I was just making an example of NYC talent that we could of used right about now

I'm saying he got out of his Miami commitment so late it was impossible to get in.

I know you and ris and a couple other guys fawn over NYC players.  I don't care where the players are from.  But chille, you  know some of these kids.  You know the majority want to get away if they can.  They are tired of the concrete jungle in many ways.  Can't force a kid to stay here.
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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #226 on: January 06, 2013, 12:07:23 AM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building. 

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #227 on: January 06, 2013, 12:25:45 AM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building.

I love Sir' Dom but he can be sooo much better.  A few things I saw are that he doesn't focus on free throws.  He just kinda throws them up.  Saw him closing out a few times lazily on Cashmere Wright who nailed the trey in his face.  Dom could have corrected both easily with more focus.  He should have sprinted to an open CAshmere on the wing several times.   He is fully capable of much more.  Kid is playing hard enough but at only half his potential.  Watched the highlights though, and Lavin loves this kid and gave him big embrace at the end of the game.  sir'Dom only scratching the surface of his talent level though.  Same with Amir who I think can be a much better offensive player than he is now. 

When they say we are young, truth is we really are.  Guys like Dom, Amir, Obekpa, Jakarr have a long way Togo.  If they stay a while, they'll be monsters here.

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #228 on: January 06, 2013, 07:59:52 AM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building.

I love Sir' Dom but he can be sooo much better.  A few things I saw are that he doesn't focus on free throws.  He just kinda throws them up.  Saw him closing out a few times lazily on Cashmere Wright who nailed the trey in his face.  Dom could have corrected both easily with more focus.  He should have sprinted to an open CAshmere on the wing several times.   He is fully capable of much more.  Kid is playing hard enough but at only half his potential.  Watched the highlights though, and Lavin loves this kid and gave him big embrace at the end of the game.  sir'Dom only scratching the surface of his talent level though.  Same with Amir who I think can be a much better offensive player than he is now. 

When they say we are young, truth is we really are.  Guys like Dom, Amir, Obekpa, Jakarr have a long way Togo.  If they stay a while, they'll be monsters here.
We all know the team is young. No need for it to be mentioned so often. It is what it is, play the game.

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #229 on: January 06, 2013, 04:39:54 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building.

I love Sir' Dom but he can be sooo much better.  A few things I saw are that he doesn't focus on free throws.  He just kinda throws them up.  Saw him closing out a few times lazily on Cashmere Wright who nailed the trey in his face.  Dom could have corrected both easily with more focus.  He should have sprinted to an open CAshmere on the wing several times.   He is fully capable of much more.  Kid is playing hard enough but at only half his potential.  Watched the highlights though, and Lavin loves this kid and gave him big embrace at the end of the game.  sir'Dom only scratching the surface of his talent level though.  Same with Amir who I think can be a much better offensive player than he is now. 

When they say we are young, truth is we really are.  Guys like Dom, Amir, Obekpa, Jakarr have a long way Togo.  If they stay a while, they'll be monsters here.
We all know the team is young. No need for it to be mentioned so often. It is what it is, play the game.

The people paid to write about this team mention it much more than posters do.  It is a relevant factor this season.

Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #230 on: January 06, 2013, 04:45:50 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building.

I love Sir' Dom but he can be sooo much better.  A few things I saw are that he doesn't focus on free throws.  He just kinda throws them up.  Saw him closing out a few times lazily on Cashmere Wright who nailed the trey in his face.  Dom could have corrected both easily with more focus.  He should have sprinted to an open CAshmere on the wing several times.   He is fully capable of much more.  Kid is playing hard enough but at only half his potential.  Watched the highlights though, and Lavin loves this kid and gave him big embrace at the end of the game.  sir'Dom only scratching the surface of his talent level though.  Same with Amir who I think can be a much better offensive player than he is now. 

When they say we are young, truth is we really are.  Guys like Dom, Amir, Obekpa, Jakarr have a long way Togo.  If they stay a while, they'll be monsters here.
We all know the team is young. No need for it to be mentioned so often. It is what it is, play the game.

The people paid to write about this team mention it much more than posters do.  It is a relevant factor this season.

Exactly. Just because some posters don't like hearing it doesn't make it any less true.

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #231 on: January 06, 2013, 04:47:45 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building.

I love Sir' Dom but he can be sooo much better.  A few things I saw are that he doesn't focus on free throws.  He just kinda throws them up.  Saw him closing out a few times lazily on Cashmere Wright who nailed the trey in his face.  Dom could have corrected both easily with more focus.  He should have sprinted to an open CAshmere on the wing several times.   He is fully capable of much more.  Kid is playing hard enough but at only half his potential.  Watched the highlights though, and Lavin loves this kid and gave him big embrace at the end of the game.  sir'Dom only scratching the surface of his talent level though.  Same with Amir who I think can be a much better offensive player than he is now. 

When they say we are young, truth is we really are.  Guys like Dom, Amir, Obekpa, Jakarr have a long way Togo.  If they stay a while, they'll be monsters here.
We all know the team is young. No need for it to be mentioned so often. It is what it is, play the game.

The people paid to write about this team mention it much more than posters do.  It is a relevant factor this season.

Exactly. Just because some posters don't like hearing it doesn't make it any less true.

I've watched Texas a couple times and haven't heard it nearly as much.
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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #232 on: January 06, 2013, 04:49:15 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building.

I love Sir' Dom but he can be sooo much better.  A few things I saw are that he doesn't focus on free throws.  He just kinda throws them up.  Saw him closing out a few times lazily on Cashmere Wright who nailed the trey in his face.  Dom could have corrected both easily with more focus.  He should have sprinted to an open CAshmere on the wing several times.   He is fully capable of much more.  Kid is playing hard enough but at only half his potential.  Watched the highlights though, and Lavin loves this kid and gave him big embrace at the end of the game.  sir'Dom only scratching the surface of his talent level though.  Same with Amir who I think can be a much better offensive player than he is now. 

When they say we are young, truth is we really are.  Guys like Dom, Amir, Obekpa, Jakarr have a long way Togo.  If they stay a while, they'll be monsters here.
We all know the team is young. No need for it to be mentioned so often. It is what it is, play the game.

The people paid to write about this team mention it much more than posters do.  It is a relevant factor this season.

Not a big deal, but my irritation is with constant media references about our age. Love Lavin for most part, but he obviously pushes this to these folks. We are young. I get it, but no need to tell me every game. Just an irritation, nothing earth shattering.

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #233 on: January 06, 2013, 04:50:12 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building.

I love Sir' Dom but he can be sooo much better.  A few things I saw are that he doesn't focus on free throws.  He just kinda throws them up.  Saw him closing out a few times lazily on Cashmere Wright who nailed the trey in his face.  Dom could have corrected both easily with more focus.  He should have sprinted to an open CAshmere on the wing several times.   He is fully capable of much more.  Kid is playing hard enough but at only half his potential.  Watched the highlights though, and Lavin loves this kid and gave him big embrace at the end of the game.  sir'Dom only scratching the surface of his talent level though.  Same with Amir who I think can be a much better offensive player than he is now. 

When they say we are young, truth is we really are.  Guys like Dom, Amir, Obekpa, Jakarr have a long way Togo.  If they stay a while, they'll be monsters here.
We all know the team is young. No need for it to be mentioned so often. It is what it is, play the game.

The people paid to write about this team mention it much more than posters do.  It is a relevant factor this season.

When is it not relevant? Every 8 years? Reading the St.John's Twitter feed, and seeing "young Johnnies" pisses me off, because it's year 3. We should have juniors. We have zero.

Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #234 on: January 06, 2013, 04:52:52 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building.

I love Sir' Dom but he can be sooo much better.  A few things I saw are that he doesn't focus on free throws.  He just kinda throws them up.  Saw him closing out a few times lazily on Cashmere Wright who nailed the trey in his face.  Dom could have corrected both easily with more focus.  He should have sprinted to an open CAshmere on the wing several times.   He is fully capable of much more.  Kid is playing hard enough but at only half his potential.  Watched the highlights though, and Lavin loves this kid and gave him big embrace at the end of the game.  sir'Dom only scratching the surface of his talent level though.  Same with Amir who I think can be a much better offensive player than he is now. 

When they say we are young, truth is we really are.  Guys like Dom, Amir, Obekpa, Jakarr have a long way Togo.  If they stay a while, they'll be monsters here.
We all know the team is young. No need for it to be mentioned so often. It is what it is, play the game.

The people paid to write about this team mention it much more than posters do.  It is a relevant factor this season.

When is it not relevant? Every 8 years? Reading the St.John's Twitter feed, and seeing "young Johnnies" pisses me off, because it's year 3. We should have juniors. We have zero.

What about the fact we had 9 seniors in year one? Oh, and Malik Stith.

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #235 on: January 06, 2013, 07:45:22 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building.

I love Sir' Dom but he can be sooo much better.  A few things I saw are that he doesn't focus on free throws.  He just kinda throws them up.  Saw him closing out a few times lazily on Cashmere Wright who nailed the trey in his face.  Dom could have corrected both easily with more focus.  He should have sprinted to an open CAshmere on the wing several times.   He is fully capable of much more.  Kid is playing hard enough but at only half his potential.  Watched the highlights though, and Lavin loves this kid and gave him big embrace at the end of the game.  sir'Dom only scratching the surface of his talent level though.  Same with Amir who I think can be a much better offensive player than he is now. 

When they say we are young, truth is we really are.  Guys like Dom, Amir, Obekpa, Jakarr have a long way Togo.  If they stay a while, they'll be monsters here.
We all know the team is young. No need for it to be mentioned so often. It is what it is, play the game.

The people paid to write about this team mention it much more than posters do.  It is a relevant factor this season.

When is it not relevant? Every 8 years? Reading the St.John's Twitter feed, and seeing "young Johnnies" pisses me off, because it's year 3. We should have juniors. We have zero.

It won't be relevant next season.

It may be fair to criticize Lavin over letting Ron Roberts get away.  That is about it.  Polee's decision to bolt was on Polee.  Lavin was handed nine or ten seniors.  He's not going to turn these guys into juniors this season.  Let's hope they learn fast and put together a good run down the stretch.

Fair point about Lavin pushing the youth message to the media.  However, how can you blame him?  Any smart coach would do the same.  Besides, it is factual or he would lose credibility.  The NY print and talk radio media are no pushovers.

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #236 on: January 06, 2013, 08:02:18 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building.

I love Sir' Dom but he can be sooo much better.  A few things I saw are that he doesn't focus on free throws.  He just kinda throws them up.  Saw him closing out a few times lazily on Cashmere Wright who nailed the trey in his face.  Dom could have corrected both easily with more focus.  He should have sprinted to an open CAshmere on the wing several times.   He is fully capable of much more.  Kid is playing hard enough but at only half his potential.  Watched the highlights though, and Lavin loves this kid and gave him big embrace at the end of the game.  sir'Dom only scratching the surface of his talent level though.  Same with Amir who I think can be a much better offensive player than he is now. 

When they say we are young, truth is we really are.  Guys like Dom, Amir, Obekpa, Jakarr have a long way Togo.  If they stay a while, they'll be monsters here.
We all know the team is young. No need for it to be mentioned so often. It is what it is, play the game.

The people paid to write about this team mention it much more than posters do.  It is a relevant factor this season.

When is it not relevant? Every 8 years? Reading the St.John's Twitter feed, and seeing "young Johnnies" pisses me off, because it's year 3. We should have juniors. We have zero.

Actually, we shouldn't have juniors because Lavin's roster was full when he took over the team.  Next year we should and will have juniors. 

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #237 on: January 06, 2013, 08:56:58 PM »
I also think Whitehead is a great player and would love for him to be on our team. Am I in the right place?

Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #238 on: January 06, 2013, 09:08:52 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building.

I love Sir' Dom but he can be sooo much better.  A few things I saw are that he doesn't focus on free throws.  He just kinda throws them up.  Saw him closing out a few times lazily on Cashmere Wright who nailed the trey in his face.  Dom could have corrected both easily with more focus.  He should have sprinted to an open CAshmere on the wing several times.   He is fully capable of much more.  Kid is playing hard enough but at only half his potential.  Watched the highlights though, and Lavin loves this kid and gave him big embrace at the end of the game.  sir'Dom only scratching the surface of his talent level though.  Same with Amir who I think can be a much better offensive player than he is now. 

When they say we are young, truth is we really are.  Guys like Dom, Amir, Obekpa, Jakarr have a long way Togo.  If they stay a while, they'll be monsters here.
We all know the team is young. No need for it to be mentioned so often. It is what it is, play the game.

The people paid to write about this team mention it much more than posters do.  It is a relevant factor this season.

When is it not relevant? Every 8 years? Reading the St.John's Twitter feed, and seeing "young Johnnies" pisses me off, because it's year 3. We should have juniors. We have zero.

False.  Lavin inherited 9 seniors his first year.  This is actually year 2.

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Re: Isaiah Whitehead - SG - Lincoln HS - Brooklyn, NY
« Reply #239 on: January 06, 2013, 09:22:21 PM »
This debate pops up every so often.  Who from NY you want on the team this year?  I don't want city kids for shits and giggles.  Give me the best NYC player every year.  Harkless, Lawrence, etc....

But then you have to realize a kid might not want to go to school in NY and might want to get away.

Omar Calhoun and Kamari Murphy.

And I can´t believe that there are no NYC players with the roles of Bourgault or Hooper Or Jones.

Omar Calhoun never wanted to come here. He saw Harrison Greene and even Nuri last year and popped and signed before our defections.
NYC could have def helped more than Greene, Dom  at this point. Melvin Johnson would have been nice right about now.

Yeah - he's killing it at VCU this year - http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62611/melvin-johnson
Sarcasm? Over look the numbers and look at the depth, ability to score shoot, create his own shot and lineup situation. We wouldn't be weaving for 25 seconds with him on the court guaranteed. That's like saying Phil Greene has been phenomenal as a point guard because of his assist to turnover ratio, which is barely the case.

I don't see the improvement over Dom.  Dom's numbers are better no matter how you slice them.  10 blocks to 0.  46% shooter to 42%.  Assist to turnover ratio is more that twice as good.  The NYC kid may be better, but not by the numbers yet.
I'm not quitting on Greene or Pointer.  These kids are going to deliver down the road.
Ok and Dom is also playing 8 more minutes a game, but besides that let's stop looking at numbers and talk basketball and necessity, we have enough defense we on the other hand don't have enough offense , melvin Johnson is on a team that doesn't need him to score in order to win however in our case Dom scoring would help us out a bunch, so if you were to insert Melvin into doms slot with doms minutes his numbers IMO would be better but more importantly his impact and our cohesiveness would be a lot better. Anybody can look at numbers but not everybody can look at players and situations an make accurate analysis . Guys don't fool yourselves. Our roster doesn't gel well offensively at this point.
In addition it's quite comical that you brought up a guys shooting percentage that averages 5 points a game and comparing who blocks more shots from the guard position?!? We don't need blocks we have obekpa we need buckets and flow. Lets leave stats alone we need ballers.

I'll throw another stat at you.  The Johnnies were plus six with Pointer on the court today while they beat a top 15 team in their own building.

I love Sir' Dom but he can be sooo much better.  A few things I saw are that he doesn't focus on free throws.  He just kinda throws them up.  Saw him closing out a few times lazily on Cashmere Wright who nailed the trey in his face.  Dom could have corrected both easily with more focus.  He should have sprinted to an open CAshmere on the wing several times.   He is fully capable of much more.  Kid is playing hard enough but at only half his potential.  Watched the highlights though, and Lavin loves this kid and gave him big embrace at the end of the game.  sir'Dom only scratching the surface of his talent level though.  Same with Amir who I think can be a much better offensive player than he is now. 

When they say we are young, truth is we really are.  Guys like Dom, Amir, Obekpa, Jakarr have a long way Togo.  If they stay a while, they'll be monsters here.
We all know the team is young. No need for it to be mentioned so often. It is what it is, play the game.

The people paid to write about this team mention it much more than posters do.  It is a relevant factor this season.

When is it not relevant? Every 8 years? Reading the St.John's Twitter feed, and seeing "young Johnnies" pisses me off, because it's year 3. We should have juniors. We have zero.

False.  Lavin inherited 9 seniors his first year.  This is actually year 2.

There are some situations where an incoming coach cannot be blamed. For example, in year one, Norm lost a swingman to a grades issue. That wasn't Norm's fault. Everyone wanted Rodney Epperson to stay on the team.

In Lavin's case, yes, he inherited 9 seniors, but what about the players that he encouraged to move on? You don't think there was some error in judgement there? A Ron Roberts and a Quincy Roberts could have really helped last year, and Ron Roberts would start for this team right now at the 4.

Part of the reason we are young is out of the hands of the currents staff, but let's exercise our heads and apply some objectivity. They have created a product with no experience and no leadership in year 3. Norm Roberts won 16 games in year 3 at SJ. There is a serious problem if we don't top that.