Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cincinnati Transfer - Bayside, NY

Where is Maven posting now? Kind of miss his imputs!

From what I heard after Hardy came in from JUCO, Norm had been interested in him out of HS but he didn't have the grades.  Fortunately, he came back.

As for Naclerio, if you've never seen him on the sidelines, the guy is nuts.  A few years back, the father of one of his players actually deck him in the face.  No excuse for violence but that's the kind of reaction Naclerio's antics could elicit.  I don't see him being the dutiful assistant on anyone's bench (unless he's mellowed in the last few years).  Good, not great, HS coach.  Not worth the headache.

Quote from: prjohnnies on February 01, 2013, 12:06:46 PM

It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.

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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit.  Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be.  The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.

In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.

Quote from: Poison on February 01, 2013, 02:00:03 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on February 01, 2013, 12:06:46 PM

It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.

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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit.  Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be.  The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.

In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.

Norms biggest downfall was not recruiting Charles Jenkins every basketball circle around the area says it till this day, if he would have did that norm might still have a job at SJU.... I mean to say he did recruit Charles but didn't pursue him strong enough and instead put all his eggs in the Malcolm grant basket. And we see how that turned out.

Quote from: Chilleb on February 01, 2013, 02:46:45 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 01, 2013, 02:00:03 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on February 01, 2013, 12:06:46 PM

It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.

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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit.  Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be.  The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.

In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.

Norms biggest downfall was not recruiting Charles Jenkins every basketball circle around the area says it till this day, if he would have did that norm might still have a job at SJU.... I mean to say he did recruit Charles but didn't pursue him strong enough and instead put all his eggs in the Malcolm grant basket. And we see how that turned out.

Wasn't it Larry Wright over him too?

norm had many downfalls...like turning his back on kilpatrick after he verballed to us...did poorly on the sat and reopened his recruiting...then apologized and said st john's was always his dream school.

both are in good places...norm at self's side in a major program and kilpatrick lighting up the big east at cincinnati.

Quote from: simplyred on February 01, 2013, 02:23:24 PM

From what I heard after Hardy came in from JUCO, Norm had been interested in him out of HS but he didn't have the grades.  Fortunately, he came back.

As for Naclerio, if you've never seen him on the sidelines, the guy is nuts.  A few years back, the father of one of his players actually deck him in the face.  No excuse for violence but that's the kind of reaction Naclerio's antics could elicit.  I don't see him being the dutiful assistant on anyone's bench (unless he's mellowed in the last few years).  Good, not great, HS coach.  Not worth the headache.

If Norm landed harded out of HS the board would have killed Norm.  Hardy wasn't ranked anywhere coming out of HS.

Quote from: Moose on February 01, 2013, 02:45:06 PM

Quote from: simplyred on February 01, 2013, 02:23:24 PM

From what I heard after Hardy came in from JUCO, Norm had been interested in him out of HS but he didn't have the grades.  Fortunately, he came back.

As for Naclerio, if you've never seen him on the sidelines, the guy is nuts.  A few years back, the father of one of his players actually deck him in the face.  No excuse for violence but that's the kind of reaction Naclerio's antics could elicit.  I don't see him being the dutiful assistant on anyone's bench (unless he's mellowed in the last few years).  Good, not great, HS coach.  Not worth the headache.

If Norm landed harded out of HS the board would have killed Norm.  Hardy wasn't ranked anywhere coming out of HS.

He averaged 37 pts. as a Sr.  I wouldn't have complained.  But then, I drank the kool aid until almost the bitter end.

Quote from: Moose on February 01, 2013, 02:45:06 PM

Quote from: simplyred on February 01, 2013, 02:23:24 PM

From what I heard after Hardy came in from JUCO, Norm had been interested in him out of HS but he didn't have the grades.  Fortunately, he came back.

As for Naclerio, if you've never seen him on the sidelines, the guy is nuts.  A few years back, the father of one of his players actually deck him in the face.  No excuse for violence but that's the kind of reaction Naclerio's antics could elicit.  I don't see him being the dutiful assistant on anyone's bench (unless he's mellowed in the last few years).  Good, not great, HS coach.  Not worth the headache.

If Norm landed harded out of HS the board would have killed Norm.  Hardy wasn't ranked anywhere coming out of HS.

He averaged 37 pts. as a Sr.  I wouldn't have complained.  But then, I drank the kool aid until almost the bitter end.

Norm was on Hardy coming out of HS (as per Dwight's coach) but it took a prep year and JC to get the academics in order.

Quote from: Poison on February 01, 2013, 02:00:03 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on February 01, 2013, 12:06:46 PM

It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.

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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit.  Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be.  The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.

In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.

Norms biggest downfall was not recruiting Charles Jenkins every basketball circle around the area says it till this day, if he would have did that norm might still have a job at SJU.... I mean to say he did recruit Charles but didn't pursue him strong enough and instead put all his eggs in the Malcolm grant basket. And we see how that turned out.

Quote from: Chilleb on February 01, 2013, 02:46:45 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 01, 2013, 02:00:03 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on February 01, 2013, 12:06:46 PM

It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.

********

Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit.  Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be.  The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.

In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.

Norms biggest downfall was not recruiting Charles Jenkins every basketball circle around the area says it till this day, if he would have did that norm might still have a job at SJU.... I mean to say he did recruit Charles but didn't pursue him strong enough and instead put all his eggs in the Malcolm grant basket. And we see how that turned out.

Charles Jenkins, Michael Glover, Darryl Bryant, Scott Machado.

He probably could have had all of those guys. Imagine a starting 5 of Machado, Hardy, Jenkins, Glover and DJ.

Quote from: Poison on February 01, 2013, 03:54:16 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on February 01, 2013, 02:46:45 PM

Quote from: Poison on February 01, 2013, 02:00:03 PM

Quote from: prjohnnies on February 01, 2013, 12:06:46 PM

It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.

********

Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit.  Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be.  The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.

In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.

Norms biggest downfall was not recruiting Charles Jenkins every basketball circle around the area says it till this day, if he would have did that norm might still have a job at SJU.... I mean to say he did recruit Charles but didn't pursue him strong enough and instead put all his eggs in the Malcolm grant basket. And we see how that turned out.

Charles Jenkins, Michael Glover, Darryl Bryant, Scott Machado.

He probably could have had all of those guys. Imagine a starting 5 of Machado, Hardy, Jenkins, Glover and DJ.

Don't ever recall Glover or Machado as part of any STJ convo.  Then again Machado wasn't really highly ranked again the natives probably would have revolted.

Lets try to keep the threads on topic though please. 

I don't know but start a recruiting miss thread maybe in the main forum.

but where do amir and phil stand if we bring in jermaine and jordan?

my point was, for next season, amir + phil are arguably more valuable than jermaine and jordan assuming everyone else stays.  so losing out on these recruits actually is not that bad provided the staff takes care of 2014 and beyond

On side note Glen Braica was who pushed hard for Hardy.

Quote from: Gray Chudney on February 01, 2013, 09:45:58 AM

but where do amir and phil stand if we bring in jermaine and jordan?

my point was, for next season, amir + phil are arguably more valuable than jermaine and jordan assuming everyone else stays.  so losing out on these recruits actually is not that bad provided the staff takes care of 2014 and beyond

So with that theory Syracuse shouldn't have signed Michael Carter-Williams because they had Dion Waiters?

Quote from: Dave on February 01, 2013, 04:31:59 PM

Quote from: Gray Chudney on February 01, 2013, 09:45:58 AM

but where do amir and phil stand if we bring in jermaine and jordan?

my point was, for next season, amir + phil are arguably more valuable than jermaine and jordan assuming everyone else stays.  so losing out on these recruits actually is not that bad provided the staff takes care of 2014 and beyond

So with that theory Syracuse shouldn't have signed Michael Carter-Williams because they had Dion Waiters?

Part of Boeheim's genius is the ability to stash top recruits for a year or two while his upperclassmen lead the team, finding ways to weave the young guys in over time.  There are not more than a handful of programs that can consistently pull this feat off and we are not one of them at this point.  Also Waiters and MCW have different games (and play different positions).