Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cincinnati Transfer - Bayside, NY

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1280 on: February 04, 2013, 01:45:42 PM »
I see.  Didn't pick up on that. 

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1281 on: February 04, 2013, 01:46:44 PM »
Yeah, I saw that lawsuit thing too.  I don't know how it is relevent to basketball.  That's just a natural part of doing business.

Well Alex Evans used to work at STJ

And Adam used to be a team manager at STJ under Jarvis.

and Adam went to Cordoza.

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1282 on: February 04, 2013, 02:10:11 PM »
Her lawyer, Joe Giamo is, I believe, an STJ grad (not sure if law or undergrad or both) and used to own Joe O's across from the garden.

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1283 on: February 04, 2013, 03:00:37 PM »
Regarding a plan "B"..

“If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine,” Lavin said. “If we have this group back next year, great. We’re only going to bring someone in if we feel they add value or they fill a need.”
“We have our priorities and our kids targeted and if we get them, we take them, but if we don’t and we lose out on them, we already have that next class we’re locked in on and focused on,” Lavin said.
- January 11th, 2013


Could be coach-speak, but he pretty much said they identified Rhysheed and Jermaine, and that's going to be it. 




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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1284 on: February 04, 2013, 03:17:39 PM »
Regarding a plan "B"..

“If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine,” Lavin said. “If we have this group back next year, great. We’re only going to bring someone in if we feel they add value or they fill a need.”
“We have our priorities and our kids targeted and if we get them, we take them, but if we don’t and we lose out on them, we already have that next class we’re locked in on and focused on,” Lavin said.
- January 11th, 2013


Could be coach-speak, but he pretty much said they identified Rhysheed and Jermaine, and that's going to be it.

  True. However, If Jordan decides Temple,  I think they bring in a Jc or a transfer, big man to help out down low. He pretty much has to. 

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1285 on: February 04, 2013, 03:58:20 PM »
Regarding a plan "B"..

“If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine,” Lavin said. “If we have this group back next year, great. We’re only going to bring someone in if we feel they add value or they fill a need.”
“We have our priorities and our kids targeted and if we get them, we take them, but if we don’t and we lose out on them, we already have that next class we’re locked in on and focused on,” Lavin said.
- January 11th, 2013


Could be coach-speak, but he pretty much said they identified Rhysheed and Jermaine, and that's going to be it.

  True. However, If Jordan decides Temple,  I think they bring in a Jc or a transfer, big man to help out down low. He pretty much has to.

I would agree, that's something we could use.   
And those kinda guys do exist.. look at our Big East brethren.    What I don't think we'll find is that 6'10- 7'0 true center. If they have any talent, those guys are scooped up quick. Plus I don't know that Lavin wants that.
But this, we can find...
Eugene Teague SHU, 6'9 290lbs  - transfer
Victor Rudd USF  6'9 235lbs - transfer
Wally Judge RUT  6'9 250lbs  - transfer
Titus Rubles CIN  6'7 210  - JUCO

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1286 on: February 04, 2013, 04:00:33 PM »
Regarding a plan "B"..

“If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine,” Lavin said. “If we have this group back next year, great. We’re only going to bring someone in if we feel they add value or they fill a need.”
“We have our priorities and our kids targeted and if we get them, we take them, but if we don’t and we lose out on them, we already have that next class we’re locked in on and focused on,” Lavin said.
- January 11th, 2013


Could be coach-speak, but he pretty much said they identified Rhysheed and Jermaine, and that's going to be it.

  True. However, If Jordan decides Temple,  I think they bring in a Jc or a transfer, big man to help out down low. He pretty much has to.

I would agree, that's something we could use.   
And those kinda guys do exist.. look at our Big East brethren.    What I don't think we'll find is that 6'10- 7'0 true center. If they have any talent, those guys are scooped up quick. Plus I don't know that Lavin wants that.
But this, we can find...
Eugene Teague SHU, 6'9 290lbs  - transfer
Victor Rudd USF  6'9 235lbs - transfer
Wally Judge RUT  6'9 250lbs  - transfer
Titus Rubles CIN  6'7 210  - JUCO


You brought up Rudd and I didn't realize he transferred to USF.  So I pulled up his bio

??????  I don't ever recall his name.

http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=204993532

Chose USF over offers from Marquette, St. John's, Miami and San Diego State.
Remember who broke the Slice news

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1287 on: February 04, 2013, 04:20:32 PM »
the name of Hargrove's production company is Tenth & Fifth Films.  All her projects are basketball related.

https://twitter.com/10thn5thFilms

http://vimeo.com/tnffs

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5006708



Googling turns up some crazy things-

http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/new-york-eastern-district-court/68200/alexes-hargrove-et-al-v-adam-scigliano-et-al/summary/

Moose, is the Alex Evans listed as the second defendant the same person who achieved notoriety in the Abe Keita fiasco?

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1288 on: February 04, 2013, 04:25:16 PM »
Cronin runs a nice program at Cincinnati, Lawrence is going nowhere unless he gets homesick.

With that said, Cincinnati has never featured a front court player during Cronin's tenure.

Lawrence likes playing on the perimeter so I guess that will be his role.

Time to move on.

Cronin was supportive of the C7 and does do a good job...rather Lawrence go there than any of the others...

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1290 on: February 04, 2013, 04:35:51 PM »
Regarding a plan "B"..

“If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine,” Lavin said. “If we have this group back next year, great. We’re only going to bring someone in if we feel they add value or they fill a need.”
“We have our priorities and our kids targeted and if we get them, we take them, but if we don’t and we lose out on them, we already have that next class we’re locked in on and focused on,” Lavin said.
- January 11th, 2013


Could be coach-speak, but he pretty much said they identified Rhysheed and Jermaine, and that's going to be it.

  True. However, If Jordan decides Temple,  I think they bring in a Jc or a transfer, big man to help out down low. He pretty much has to.

I would agree, that's something we could use.   
And those kinda guys do exist.. look at our Big East brethren.    What I don't think we'll find is that 6'10- 7'0 true center. If they have any talent, those guys are scooped up quick. Plus I don't know that Lavin wants that.
But this, we can find...
Eugene Teague SHU, 6'9 290lbs  - transfer
Victor Rudd USF  6'9 235lbs - transfer
Wally Judge RUT  6'9 250lbs  - transfer
Titus Rubles CIN  6'7 210  - JUCO


You brought up Rudd and I didn't realize he transferred to USF.  So I pulled up his bio

??????  I don't ever recall his name.

http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=204993532

Chose USF over offers from Marquette, St. John's, Miami and San Diego State.

Really?   It says he's from CA... and we were recruiting him?   don't remember that at all.

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1291 on: February 04, 2013, 04:37:32 PM »
Regarding a plan "B"..

“If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine,” Lavin said. “If we have this group back next year, great. We’re only going to bring someone in if we feel they add value or they fill a need.”
“We have our priorities and our kids targeted and if we get them, we take them, but if we don’t and we lose out on them, we already have that next class we’re locked in on and focused on,” Lavin said.
- January 11th, 2013


Could be coach-speak, but he pretty much said they identified Rhysheed and Jermaine, and that's going to be it.

  True. However, If Jordan decides Temple,  I think they bring in a Jc or a transfer, big man to help out down low. He pretty much has to.

I would agree, that's something we could use.   
And those kinda guys do exist.. look at our Big East brethren.    What I don't think we'll find is that 6'10- 7'0 true center. If they have any talent, those guys are scooped up quick. Plus I don't know that Lavin wants that.
But this, we can find...
Eugene Teague SHU, 6'9 290lbs  - transfer
Victor Rudd USF  6'9 235lbs - transfer
Wally Judge RUT  6'9 250lbs  - transfer
Titus Rubles CIN  6'7 210  - JUCO


You brought up Rudd and I didn't realize he transferred to USF.  So I pulled up his bio

??????  I don't ever recall his name.

http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=204993532

Chose USF over offers from Marquette, St. John's, Miami and San Diego State.

Really?   It says he's from CA... and we were recruiting him?   don't remember that at all.


I never recall his name at all.  Anyone?
Remember who broke the Slice news

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1292 on: February 04, 2013, 04:38:35 PM »
pretty interesting/surprising that STJ twitter guy addressed a recruiting question:

@Squidman708 There's a spring signing period. Plus we have zero to one scholarships available right now. #stjbb

leads me to believe staff and admin are getting a lot of heat and trying to control press.

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1293 on: February 04, 2013, 04:40:56 PM »
pretty interesting/surprising that STJ twitter guy addressed a recruiting question:

@Squidman708 There's a spring signing period. Plus we have zero to one scholarships available right now. #stjbb

leads me to believe staff and admin are getting a lot of heat and trying to control press.

Don't think there's any heat.  Personally think the twitter guy shouldn't respond to stuff like this though.

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1294 on: February 04, 2013, 04:41:28 PM »
You guys aren't understanding. Lavin will not chase a recruit plain and simple. Get down or lay down-KOB

I don't really get involved in commenting on recruiting for the simple reason that I do not follow HS basketball. I do have a question though. Some of you are applauding coach for not "chasing" recruits. Now I do not have a problem with that either, but didn't some of you kill Jarvis for same approach? What is the difference?


Jarvis sat idle and expected recruits to come to him. Lavin is more calculated in his approach of targeting recruits.

-If Lav has no shot at a recruit he's not going to go after him
-If a recruit becomes to high maintenance he's distancing himself
-If a recruit has too many outside influences that become problematic he's distancing himself

Lawrence handler had a lot of demands. I don't want to say too much but one example is his handler is already fishing for TV deals for a reality show on Jermaine going to the draft. Ironically Cincy has some experience with this kind of thing.

Said this earler...sounds like A-Rod's negotiation with the Mets...If the example cited above is just the tip of the iceberg, can't say I blame Lavin...too bad he didnt realize this before we got too far down the road...
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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1295 on: February 04, 2013, 04:46:58 PM »
Yes I was wrong but man a lot of posters here have some really ggod insight as to what occured and how it went down. I am sorry for getting your hopes up and feeding what turned out to be bad info. Yes I was going to name Alexes Hargrove as the handler by name but its already out there. Also as I have posted previously me and Mr Zagoria have had differences before but on this one hes dead on. This women munipulated this kid beyond belief...Cinci is a good program and in my limited exposure to their staff they are good accoutable men but this kid and his family wanted SJU. As for LAvin backing away the last few weeks as some posters have mentioned I didnt know that but im sure they are right, again my bad. This is a really bad situation and a really bad indication of whats going on out there with these kids and at times in the past ive been as quilty as anyone but this one and this women ia one for the record books. Lav iand Tony are good men and like Dave said know the reality of recruiting and I can tell you they are working as hard as anybody.....Again sorry, no excuses but when a family memeber tells me SJU I believed her...more will come out about her in the coming weeks.....

79...I am sure your info was good at the time...these things are a snapshot in time...who would think that a 3rd party would have this much impact on a kid and his parents...

based on my daughter's college selection process, kids dream school seems to change from moment to moment

Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1296 on: February 04, 2013, 04:54:07 PM »
the name of Hargrove's production company is Tenth & Fifth Films.  All her projects are basketball related.

https://twitter.com/10thn5thFilms

http://vimeo.com/tnffs

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5006708



Googling turns up some crazy things-

http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/new-york-eastern-district-court/68200/alexes-hargrove-et-al-v-adam-scigliano-et-al/summary/

Moose, is the Alex Evans listed as the second defendant the same person who achieved notoriety in the Abe Keita fiasco?

Pretty sure.

It's him.  Was always nice to me years ago and was very tight with kids here in the city as you'd expect from his pedigree.  A few on this board know him pretty well. 

Mistake "working" with Alexes on some reality project focusing on Ron&Cardozo. 



Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1297 on: February 04, 2013, 04:55:33 PM »
pretty interesting/surprising that STJ twitter guy addressed a recruiting question:

@Squidman708 There's a spring signing period. Plus we have zero to one scholarships available right now. #stjbb

leads me to believe staff and admin are getting a lot of heat and trying to control press.

Don't think there's any heat.  Personally think the twitter guy shouldn't respond to stuff like this though.

He shouldn't. 

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1298 on: February 04, 2013, 05:24:05 PM »
To everyone pressing the panic button, just remember back to last year at this time.

 We had no one and everyone was panicking.  Lavin ended up getting Jakarr and Obekpa to sign on the line.  I'm not saying that guys like that are out there, but let's at least wait and see what happens through the spring signing period before calling recruiting efforts a failure.

 Fans have short memories when it comes to positives, long memories when it comes to negatives.

It is a very fair point Boo.   We're all prone to overreacting.   
But at the same time, it's foolish not to acknowledge things that go poorly. 
We started the year with a recruiting list that looked like this:
Jermaine Lawrence
Ishmail Wainwright
Jerrell Martin
Rhysheed Jordan
even the Jones kid from LA

and we were after both McCullough and Whitehead for '14

We struck out on all of them except Jordan, who we still don't know about.   (assuming Whitehead is out of the picture too, and that looks to be true)
Time to panic ?   No, we're better off than where we were 4 years ago. 
 But it's not exactly good news when you go 0-6 on your biggest priorities.

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Re: Jermaine Lawrence - PF - Cardozo HS - Bayside, NY - CINCINNATI
« Reply #1299 on: February 04, 2013, 05:36:30 PM »
To everyone pressing the panic button, just remember back to last year at this time.

 We had no one and everyone was panicking.  Lavin ended up getting Jakarr and Obekpa to sign on the line.  I'm not saying that guys like that are out there, but let's at least wait and see what happens through the spring signing period before calling recruiting efforts a failure.

 Fans have short memories when it comes to positives, long memories when it comes to negatives.

It is a very fair point Boo.   We're all prone to overreacting.   
But at the same time, it's foolish not to acknowledge things that go poorly. 
We started the year with a recruiting list that looked like this:
Jermaine Lawrence
Ishmail Wainwright
Jerrell Martin
Rhysheed Jordan
even the Jones kid from LA

and we were after both McCullough and Whitehead for '14

We struck out on all of them except Jordan, who we still don't know about.   (assuming Whitehead is out of the picture too, and that looks to be true)
Time to panic ?   No, we're better off than where we were 4 years ago. 
 But it's not exactly good news when you go 0-6 on your biggest priorities.

  We only have 1 ship to give out  next year.  All we know is that it won't be Lawrence. Lavin also stated that if the right player isn't available he won't use it. He's willing to hold out for the following year, where from all accounts, there is a bunch of talent available.

 I just don't get too worked up about recruiting for a few reasons: 1) I don't know the HS basketball circles, meaning i don't know who is really good or not.  2) recruiting is Lavin's strength, let him do  is job. 3) Its only Feb 4th, lets see who is available ( transfer, JUCO)

 Recruiting is an inexact science.  A kid is going to go where he wants top go.  You can do everything right and still fail. It's part of the game. Steve is one of the best.  I trust him moving forward.  Have there been missteps? Of course.  But in 2 1/2 years we have built a pretty good, young foundation of kids. Now we need to plug as few holes.  More importantly, top 20 kids are considering STJ again.  A few years ago they would laugh if they got a call.

 I think next years team, barring any defections from our two best players, has a chance to do some things.  Kids improve don't forget. So lets not assume that if we bring the same group back, we get the same results.  it doesn't work like that.

 Sorry for the long rant.  Just trying to stay positive.  The negativity ( not you Desco) around here is bringing me down. I like this place because I love STJ hoops, but it has become painful to read everyday.  I mean, how many Phil Greene dribbling jokes can one man endure...?   ;)
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