Darrick Wood - SG - Palm Beach CC - Alexandria, VA - DEPAUL

Some peeps think their's is the kingdom when they just a fly in the ointment.

Peace out.

You guys make me laugh. . everyone can speculate he is going to be 2013 but when someone offers reasons as to why he will be 2013 and has little chance to qualify, I am intruding on the kids privacy.

Some peeps think their's is the kingdom when they just a fly in the ointment.

In the grand scheme of things we are all just flys in the ointment

Relax on the prosecution of PMG. 

He didn't steal the kid's transcript in the middle of the night, a coach or whoever, told him the guy needed 9 classes.   
It's not Watergate.   

Relax on the prosecution of PMG. 

He didn't steal the kid's transcript in the middle of the night, a coach or whoever, told him the guy needed 9 classes.   
It's not Watergate.   

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It comes very close to a breaking the law.  He obviously got that info from someone who was recruiting him and had access to very private information.  And that is not a joke.

And he is wrong.  Rest assured though Darrick has work to do.

You guys make me laugh. . everyone can speculate he is going to be 2013 but when someone offers reasons as to why he will be 2013 and has little chance to qualify, I am intruding on the kids privacy.

Sorry, that wasn't the intent of my question.   I meant, have you seen actual transcripts spelling out that it was 9 core classes, or did someone just say, "oh, he needs like 9 classes to qualify" - which may be correct reporting on your part, but not correct info.  9 core classes missing just seems like a difficult amount to be short   Isn't that like failing EVERY core class for 3 years?  Can you even stay eligible for high school ball with that kind of failure rate?

Quote from: pmg911 on May 01, 2012, 01:33:22 PM

You guys make me laugh. . everyone can speculate he is going to be 2013 but when someone offers reasons as to why he will be 2013 and has little chance to qualify, I am intruding on the kids privacy.

Sorry, that wasn't the intent of my question.   I meant, have you seen actual transcripts spelling out that it was 9 core classes, or did someone just say, "oh, he needs like 9 classes to qualify" - which may be correct reporting on your part, but not correct info.  9 core classes missing just seems like a difficult amount to be short   Isn't that like failing EVERY core class for 3 years?  Can you even stay eligible for high school ball with that kind of failure rate?

That is why he is wrong.

BTW-Again it is one thing to speculate on the prospects of a recruit from general consensus you hear, it is another thing to post things with such specificity specifically in such a negative light not to mention doing so with a recruit that just verballed back to SJU on an SJU board from an SJU fan.

Quote from: crgreen on May 01, 2012, 02:10:07 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on May 01, 2012, 01:33:22 PM

You guys make me laugh. . everyone can speculate he is going to be 2013 but when someone offers reasons as to why he will be 2013 and has little chance to qualify, I am intruding on the kids privacy.

Sorry, that wasn't the intent of my question.   I meant, have you seen actual transcripts spelling out that it was 9 core classes, or did someone just say, "oh, he needs like 9 classes to qualify" - which may be correct reporting on your part, but not correct info.  9 core classes missing just seems like a difficult amount to be short   Isn't that like failing EVERY core class for 3 years?  Can you even stay eligible for high school ball with that kind of failure rate?

That is why he is wrong.

BTW-Again it is one thing to speculate on the prospects of a recruit from general consensus you hear, it is another thing to post things with such specificity specifically in such a negative light not to mention doing so with a recruit that just verballed back to SJU on an SJU board from an SJU fan.

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That is why he is wrong

I am not wrong...

I never said the kid failed any classes, he could have easily been taking the wrong requirements and/or the NCAA is no going to accept core classes he may have taken and passed while attending NIA

Relax on the prosecution of PMG. 

He didn't steal the kid's transcript in the middle of the night, a coach or whoever, told him the guy needed 9 classes.   
It's not Watergate.

Sorry disagree.  You need to think about this.  Obviously he did not make this up.  So that means he somehow has direct or indirect access to a kid's transcripts.  My guess he does not have direct access, meaning knows Darrick personally or is a family member that Darrick would trust.

So who else would have access to that info?  Well coaching staffs for schools that are recruiting him would have access.  I can assure you no one from SJU would be dumb enough to share this type of specific info with a person on the street, plus it would not make sense because it is damaging and why would they share damaging info on a player they just accepted a verbal from?  So that means, using my deductive reasoning, a staff member from a competing school shared this information with the poster or perhaps with someone the poster knows.  Probably in hopes of putting out damaging info on Wood, especially if he embellished the information.

We know Darrick has work to do.  Wish him well and hope for the best. 

That is why he is wrong

I am not wrong...

I never said the kid failed any classes, he could have easily been taking the wrong requirements and/or the NCAA is no going to accept core classes he may have taken and passed while attending NIA

Yes you are and even if that were true it still would not make sense. 

But I think you ought to drop this and quickly.  I will offer you this one opportunity as I will as well.

Fordham - am I supposed to take that as a threat of sorts..

It has been well known and spoken about the basketball community that Mr Wood was/is a long shot to be playing college basketball in the 2012 - 13 season.

I will gladly admit to being wrong about something. I never thought SJU would offer the kid again and I was completely misinformed that he was only offered a scholarship to appease a certain NJ AAU program and help with Kyle Anderson.

Ok, Fordham, I understand you are trying to protect the kid here, and that's always commendable, but PMG didn't disparage Darrick.  He said he doubted he would make it to campus because he had classes to make up to become eligible.   That's harmless.

And I can say that with confidence because I have some experience in educational law.  And the law in this area is guided mostly by the federal Family Educational Right to Privacy Act (although NY/NJ both have similar statutes as well), and both the state and federal laws apply exclusively to school administrators or other agents of the school.   Third parties are not constrained by it, in any way.

Furthermore, in the only appellate level case on that issue the court ruled that, even for a teacher or administrator, the law did not extend to information that, even if derived from a school record, could also be known by members of the school community through conversation and personal contact.   
Thus, while you can't tell a reporter "my student Anthony got a 67 in Math, a 55 in Chemistry, and a 61 in English",  and essentially recreate his transcript, you CAN say Anthony is going to have to retake 3 classes.   
Because, according to the court - the student is assumed to talk to other students about what classes he has to take or wants to take, and eventually he'll be in those classes with other students.   But you cannot mention specific performance scores or disciplinary marks.

And, again, that is only in the case of an agent of the school.   I'm fairly certain PMG doesn't teach at Bridgton.  And even if he did, he's not doing anything wrong.
Finally, I think it's unfair to suggest that the only way he would have heard is from an opposing coach trying to tarnish Wood's reputation.  He's a decently high profiled recruit who travels the north east to play ball in the NESPAC and with his aau team. 
 The idea there wouldn't be chatter in the gym about whether or not he'll be eligible to play in college is hard to imagine. 

Sorry for the lengthy post, but you accused him of something serious.  And while you may not like that he said it publicly, it's harmless in terms of the law.   

Fordham - am I supposed to take that as a threat of sorts..

It has been well known and spoken about the basketball community that Mr Wood was/is a long shot to be playing college basketball in the 2012 - 13 season.

I will gladly admit to being wrong about something. I never thought SJU would offer the kid again and I was completely misinformed that he was only offered a scholarship to appease a certain NJ AAU program and help with Kyle Anderson.

I don't make threats nor do I care what you think has been "widely" known.  If you don't see the difference between what you posted on this board and what is acceptable then you have the problem not me.  Do you think it was a coincedence that 2 posters immediately jumped on your post?  You think that was because you were posting something "widely" known that was innocuous? 

But I don't care anymore so at this point do what you think is appropriate.  But all SJU fans go to bed with the safe knowledge that you have the highest regard for SJU and those committed to the school.

Ok, Fordham, I understand you are trying to protect the kid here, and that's always commendable, but PMG didn't disparage Darrick.  He said he doubted he would make it to campus because he had classes to make up to become eligible.   That's harmless.

And I can say that with confidence because I have some experience in educational law.  And the law in this area is guided mostly by the federal Family Educational Right to Privacy Act (although NY/NJ both have similar statutes as well), and both the state and federal laws apply exclusively to school administrators or other agents of the school.   Third parties are not constrained by it, in any way.

Furthermore, in the only appellate level case on that issue the court ruled that, even for a teacher or administrator, the law did not extend to information that, even if derived from a school record, could also be known by members of the school community through conversation and personal contact.   
Thus, while you can't tell a reporter "my student Anthony got a 67 in Math, a 55 in Chemistry, and a 61 in English",  and essentially recreate his transcript, you CAN say Anthony is going to have to retake 3 classes.   
Because, according to the court - the student is assumed to talk to other students about what classes he has to take or wants to take, and eventually he'll be in those classes with other students.   But you cannot mention specific performance scores or disciplinary marks.

And, again, that is only in the case of an agent of the school.   I'm fairly certain PMG doesn't teach at Bridgton.  And even if he did, he's not doing anything wrong.
Finally, I think it's unfair to suggest that the only way he would have heard is from an opposing coach trying to tarnish the Woods reputation.  He's a decently high profiled recruit who travels the north east to play ball in the NESPAC and with his aau team. 
 The idea there wouldn't be chatter in the gym about whether or not he'll be eligible to play in college is hard to imagine. 

Sorry for the lengthy post, but you accused him of something serious.  And while you may not like that he said it publicly, it's harmless in terms of the law.

You are wrong.  You clearly are not a lawyer.  Publicly discussing someone's grades on a message board without that person's permission is CLEARLY a violation, period.  Did he do that?  No.  But talking specifically about a kid's core classes straddles the line, this is not "WIDELY" known.  More important whether it is widely known or not I can assure you it is not done with the permission of the kid.

Forget about the law for a second.  You are Darrick Wood's mother or father.  You think that post is appropriate for public consumption and how would that make you feel?  His whole justification is that 1) He is right and 2) It is "widely" known.

So by that logic I could justify numerous things that does not make it right.

Fordham - am I supposed to take that as a threat of sorts..

It has been well known and spoken about the basketball community that Mr Wood was/is a long shot to be playing college basketball in the 2012 - 13 season.

I will gladly admit to being wrong about something. I never thought SJU would offer the kid again and I was completely misinformed that he was only offered a scholarship to appease a certain NJ AAU program and help with Kyle Anderson.

Pmg..  From the things that I have heard .. You have a nice mix of right and wrong going in your posts.. Yes I have heard he is a longshot to qualify .. But not as far off as you think .. No to the fact he was offered a ship to please Jimmy and to attract Kyle.  His recruitment was separate and coincidence that he played on the same AAU team as a big target of ours.  I can't and would never tell you or any other poster what to say ..but his exact academic standing is something that IMO should have been discussed via PM and not displayed for the whole board to see.. That being said .. He is further along than what you have posted. I for one love the kids game and I'm really happy he decided to pick us once again .

Quote from: pmg911 on May 01, 2012, 03:17:54 PM

Fordham - am I supposed to take that as a threat of sorts..

It has been well known and spoken about the basketball community that Mr Wood was/is a long shot to be playing college basketball in the 2012 - 13 season.

I will gladly admit to being wrong about something. I never thought SJU would offer the kid again and I was completely misinformed that he was only offered a scholarship to appease a certain NJ AAU program and help with Kyle Anderson.

Pmg..  From the things that I have heard .. You have a nice mix of right and wrong going in your posts.. Yes I have heard he is a longshot to qualify .. But not as far off as you think .. No to the fact he was offered a ship to please Jimmy and to attract Kyle.  His recruitment was separate and coincidence that he played on the same AAU team as a big target of ours.  I can't and would never tell you or any other poster what to say ..but his exact academic standing is something that IMO should have been discussed via PM and not displayed for the whole board to see.. That being said .. He is further along than what you have posted. I for one love the kids game and I'm really happy he decided to pick us once again .

Very well put and with much more diplomacy then I used which is a good thing...LOL!!!

Quote from: pmg911 on May 01, 2012, 03:17:54 PM

Fordham - am I supposed to take that as a threat of sorts..

It has been well known and spoken about the basketball community that Mr Wood was/is a long shot to be playing college basketball in the 2012 - 13 season.

I will gladly admit to being wrong about something. I never thought SJU would offer the kid again and I was completely misinformed that he was only offered a scholarship to appease a certain NJ AAU program and help with Kyle Anderson.

Pmg..  From the things that I have heard .. You have a nice mix of right and wrong going in your posts.. Yes I have heard he is a longshot to qualify .. But not as far off as you think .. No to the fact he was offered a ship to please Jimmy and to attract Kyle.  His recruitment was separate and coincidence that he played on the same AAU team as a big target of ours.  I can't and would never tell you or any other poster what to say ..but his exact academic standing is something that IMO should have been discussed via PM and not displayed for the whole board to see.. That being said .. He is further along than what you have posted. I for one love the kids game and I'm really happy he decided to pick us once again .

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Can I talk about Susan Lucci and All My Children in this thread?