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« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2011, 12:39:46 PM »
where do you see these 4 or 5 quality recruits coming from? right now we have 1. i am assuming you are including gathers, pelle and sampson but that is a big assumption. i do agree though, the core is there, we just need to add KEY pieces now - like height a shooter and a distributor

Woods is a kid with great athleticism who can shoot and score pretty well.  I'm betting we grab at least one of Gathers and Sampson.  Lots of kids rise to the top over the winter and there are plenty of big time talents left.  If we just add woods, gathers and either Sampson or pelle, we're in fantastic shape.  Staff can feel free to find a sleeper shooter type or a pg that has a strong winter.

We're back to sleepers now? Thought that was the previous staff's mo

Our previous staff's mo was a "sleeper" for all 13 scholarship spots.  I'm talking more along the lines of a Dwight Hardy, Steve Adams or Jae Crowder style sleeper. 

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« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2011, 12:50:11 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.


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« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2011, 12:52:26 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.

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« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2011, 01:24:06 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.

Gathers doesn't have to be a "true shot-blocker" to help us on the frontline.  Sheesh!  Gathers could help us with rebounding; athleticism; and, scoring.  He's also a decent ballhandler.  He's a tad undersized in height, but he surely make up for it with his build and ability to carve out space for himself.   Besides, Gathers is a capable shotblocker.  He's not an elite shotblocker, but very capable.
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« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2011, 02:04:23 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.

You're a negativist.  Why would you think any differently?  We are still heavy favorite for Gathers.  Pelle and Sampson I have no idea about, but sampson's idiot coach has a lot to do with Jakarr not being here.  I don't know how Jakarr will shake out but I think we still have a good shot unless we get submarined.


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« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2011, 02:09:52 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.


I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.


I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.
  Marco you are our most Pessimistic poster. That said, We have to be realistic, we ll probably get 1 out of the 3. I dont know what Lavin is talking about when he talks of 6 high quality players for the 2012 class. There are only about  6 quality players considering us for next year. Even with the rosiest colored glasses you cant expect to get them all. Who knows who will be available springtime or which Juco players may be future prospects?

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« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2011, 02:21:55 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.

You're a negativist.  Why would you think any differently?  We are still heavy favorite for Gathers.  Pelle and Sampson I have no idea about, but sampson's idiot coach has a lot to do with Jakarr not being here.  I don't know how Jakarr will shake out but I think we still have a good shot unless we get submarined.

  He wasn't a negativist when Norm was here.
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« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2011, 02:24:21 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.


I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.


I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.
  Marco you are our most Pessimistic poster. That said, We have to be realistic, we ll probably get 1 out of the 3. I dont know what Lavin is talking about when he talks of 6 high quality players for the 2012 class. There are only about  6 quality players considering us for next year. Even with the rosiest colored glasses you cant expect to get them all. Who knows who will be available springtime or which Juco players may be future prospects?

We could land all those guys, some of them or a mix.  It could be jc kids, foreign kids, some kids that most don't know we're involved with or a combination.  Like I said, have to wait til after spring signing to find out, but no reason not to trust Lavin on this one.  He got all the guys to commit for 2012 and they'd be here if not for unforeseen issues. Lavin has quite a prowess at this stuff.  We'll be fine with 4 high quality guys, even if we don't land the 6 being mentioned.  The one guy on board Wood, I really like.  If he does anything this season before he gets to SJU, it should be to become deadeye from the line and perimeter.  Add some weight in the summer and he'll be a fantastic addition.
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« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2011, 02:26:01 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.

You're a negativist.  Why would you think any differently?  We are still heavy favorite for Gathers.  Pelle and Sampson I have no idea about, but sampson's idiot coach has a lot to do with Jakarr not being here.  I don't know how Jakarr will shake out but I think we still have a good shot unless we get submarined.



If they were so high on coming they would have never waivered. Now bigger and better programs are calling. We have a head coach not at games, we are getting our balls handed to us, and playing in a dying conference.

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« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2011, 02:33:33 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.

You're a negativist.  Why would you think any differently?  We are still heavy favorite for Gathers.  Pelle and Sampson I have no idea about, but sampson's idiot coach has a lot to do with Jakarr not being here.  I don't know how Jakarr will shake out but I think we still have a good shot unless we get submarined.



If they were so high on coming they would have never waivered. Now bigger and better programs are calling. We have a head coach not at games, we are getting our balls handed to us, and playing in a dying conference.

You have a hard time listening.  Both Gathers and Sampson wanted 100% to be here.  From what I hear, Gathers still does but some local guys in his ear about things.   I still feel confident about Gathers.  Sampson also has an issue no SJU related, that was/is the problem.  Both guys had plenty of interest from other schools before committing to SJU. 

Our head coach had cancer surgery and was cured.  His heal-time longer than expected but not permanent.  We got our balls handed to us by the best team in the country.  Oh well.  Our conference is far from dead just yet.  Even if it changes, has a school like Gonzaga, Temple or Xavier been hurt by their conference?  On the contrary, bball programs like SJU that can draw to MSG and NYC will always draw a premier schedule.  That schedule is what draws recruits and keeps a program afloat.  Temple Has never been in a conference as good as the Big East yet is ahead of SJU in All-time wins a few games behind Cuse.  Go figure, their program is far from dead.

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« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2011, 02:36:49 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.

You're a negativist.  Why would you think any differently?  We are still heavy favorite for Gathers.  Pelle and Sampson I have no idea about, but sampson's idiot coach has a lot to do with Jakarr not being here.  I don't know how Jakarr will shake out but I think we still have a good shot unless we get submarined.



If they were so high on coming they would have never waivered. Now bigger and better programs are calling. We have a head coach not at games, we are getting our balls handed to us, and playing in a dying conference.

You have a hard time listening.  Both Gathers and Sampson wanted 100% to be here.  From what I hear, Gathers still does but some local guys in his ear about things.   I still feel confident about Gathers.  Sampson also has an issue no SJU related, that was/is the problem.  Both guys had plenty of interest from other schools before committing to SJU. 

Our head coach had cancer surgery and was cured.  His heal-time longer than expected but not permanent.  We got our balls handed to us by the best team in the country.  Oh well.  Our conference is far from dead just yet.  Even if it changes, has a school like Gonzaga, Temple or Xavier been hurt by their conference?  On the contrary, bball programs like SJU that can draw to MSG and NYC will always draw a premier schedule.  That schedule is what draws recruits and keeps a program afloat.  Temple Has never been in a conference as good as the Big East yet is ahead of SJU in All-time wins a few games behind Cuse.  Go figure, their program is far from dead.

So you replace top 10 programs with A10 teams and theres no step back?

I hope youre right about Gathers and the others. But everyday that pases, I think its more unlikely they come
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« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2011, 02:39:38 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.

You're a negativist.  Why would you think any differently?  We are still heavy favorite for Gathers.  Pelle and Sampson I have no idea about, but sampson's idiot coach has a lot to do with Jakarr not being here.  I don't know how Jakarr will shake out but I think we still have a good shot unless we get submarined.

  He wasn't a negativist when Norm was here.

Norm's guys were eligible. I  have no patience or sympathy for lazy students who cant get eligible

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« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2011, 02:58:43 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.

You're a negativist.  Why would you think any differently?  We are still heavy favorite for Gathers.  Pelle and Sampson I have no idea about, but sampson's idiot coach has a lot to do with Jakarr not being here.  I don't know how Jakarr will shake out but I think we still have a good shot unless we get submarined.



If they were so high on coming they would have never waivered. Now bigger and better programs are calling. We have a head coach not at games, we are getting our balls handed to us, and playing in a dying conference.

You have a hard time listening.  Both Gathers and Sampson wanted 100% to be here.  From what I hear, Gathers still does but some local guys in his ear about things.   I still feel confident about Gathers.  Sampson also has an issue no SJU related, that was/is the problem.  Both guys had plenty of interest from other schools before committing to SJU. 

Our head coach had cancer surgery and was cured.  His heal-time longer than expected but not permanent.  We got our balls handed to us by the best team in the country.  Oh well.  Our conference is far from dead just yet.  Even if it changes, has a school like Gonzaga, Temple or Xavier been hurt by their conference?  On the contrary, bball programs like SJU that can draw to MSG and NYC will always draw a premier schedule.  That schedule is what draws recruits and keeps a program afloat.  Temple Has never been in a conference as good as the Big East yet is ahead of SJU in All-time wins a few games behind Cuse.  Go figure, their program is far from dead.

So you replace top 10 programs with A10 teams and theres no step back?

I hope youre right about Gathers and the others. But everyday that pases, I think its more unlikely they come

Depends on what you mean by "step back"?  If you determine our league's bid number as being of sole importance, then yes, we'll have less bids.  Let me ask you though.  Do you think it is more important that a conference have a lot of bids, or that SJU makes the tournament?   Both issues are multi factorial and a strong big east doesn't mean SJU is in the NCAA every year. IMO, if we were in the A-10 the past 20 years, we would have been in the tourney much more than we were.  Just because the conference is good doesn't spell success for all teams.  We could possibly be a perennial powerhouse even in a significantly weakened league.  Sju's success is the only thing of importance to me. I don't think a dying league means a dying SJU.  Not in any way, shape or form.

As far as Gathers goes, what theory are you using that every day that passes, somehow his interest in SJU degrades?

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« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2011, 03:08:40 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.

You're a negativist.  Why would you think any differently?  We are still heavy favorite for Gathers.  Pelle and Sampson I have no idea about, but sampson's idiot coach has a lot to do with Jakarr not being here.  I don't know how Jakarr will shake out but I think we still have a good shot unless we get submarined.



If they were so high on coming they would have never waivered. Now bigger and better programs are calling. We have a head coach not at games, we are getting our balls handed to us, and playing in a dying conference.

You have a hard time listening.  Both Gathers and Sampson wanted 100% to be here.  From what I hear, Gathers still does but some local guys in his ear about things.   I still feel confident about Gathers.  Sampson also has an issue no SJU related, that was/is the problem.  Both guys had plenty of interest from other schools before committing to SJU. 

Our head coach had cancer surgery and was cured.  His heal-time longer than expected but not permanent.  We got our balls handed to us by the best team in the country.  Oh well.  Our conference is far from dead just yet.  Even if it changes, has a school like Gonzaga, Temple or Xavier been hurt by their conference?  On the contrary, bball programs like SJU that can draw to MSG and NYC will always draw a premier schedule.  That schedule is what draws recruits and keeps a program afloat.  Temple Has never been in a conference as good as the Big East yet is ahead of SJU in All-time wins a few games behind Cuse.  Go figure, their program is far from dead.

So you replace top 10 programs with A10 teams and theres no step back?

I hope youre right about Gathers and the others. But everyday that pases, I think its more unlikely they come

Depends on what you mean by "step back"?  If you determine our league's bid number as being of sole importance, then yes, we'll have less bids.  Let me ask you though.  Do you think it is more important that a conference have a lot of bids, or that SJU makes the tournament?   Both issues are multi factorial and a strong big east doesn't mean SJU is in the NCAA every year. IMO, if we were in the A-10 the past 20 years, we would have been in the tourney much more than we were.  Just because the conference is good doesn't spell success for all teams.  We could possibly be a perennial powerhouse even in a significantly weakened league.  Sju's success is the only thing of importance to me. I don't think a dying league means a dying SJU.  Not in any way, shape or form.

As far as Gathers goes, what theory are you using that every day that passes, somehow his interest in SJU degrades?

BIg East has always had that tough, hard nosed feel to it.  With core teams that are top 25 year in and out leaving-that irreplaceable.

AS for Gathers, everyone recruiting him will use the Lavin is sick, Big East is diminshed types of approach, along with the usual facilities are awful stuff.

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« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2011, 03:15:22 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.

You're a negativist.  Why would you think any differently?  We are still heavy favorite for Gathers.  Pelle and Sampson I have no idea about, but sampson's idiot coach has a lot to do with Jakarr not being here.  I don't know how Jakarr will shake out but I think we still have a good shot unless we get submarined.



If they were so high on coming they would have never waivered. Now bigger and better programs are calling. We have a head coach not at games, we are getting our balls handed to us, and playing in a dying conference.

You have a hard time listening.  Both Gathers and Sampson wanted 100% to be here.  From what I hear, Gathers still does but some local guys in his ear about things.   I still feel confident about Gathers.  Sampson also has an issue no SJU related, that was/is the problem.  Both guys had plenty of interest from other schools before committing to SJU. 

Our head coach had cancer surgery and was cured.  His heal-time longer than expected but not permanent.  We got our balls handed to us by the best team in the country.  Oh well.  Our conference is far from dead just yet.  Even if it changes, has a school like Gonzaga, Temple or Xavier been hurt by their conference?  On the contrary, bball programs like SJU that can draw to MSG and NYC will always draw a premier schedule.  That schedule is what draws recruits and keeps a program afloat.  Temple Has never been in a conference as good as the Big East yet is ahead of SJU in All-time wins a few games behind Cuse.  Go figure, their program is far from dead.

So you replace top 10 programs with A10 teams and theres no step back?

I hope youre right about Gathers and the others. But everyday that pases, I think its more unlikely they come

Depends on what you mean by "step back"?  If you determine our league's bid number as being of sole importance, then yes, we'll have less bids.  Let me ask you though.  Do you think it is more important that a conference have a lot of bids, or that SJU makes the tournament?   Both issues are multi factorial and a strong big east doesn't mean SJU is in the NCAA every year. IMO, if we were in the A-10 the past 20 years, we would have been in the tourney much more than we were.  Just because the conference is good doesn't spell success for all teams.  We could possibly be a perennial powerhouse even in a significantly weakened league.  Sju's success is the only thing of importance to me. I don't think a dying league means a dying SJU.  Not in any way, shape or form.

As far as Gathers goes, what theory are you using that every day that passes, somehow his interest in SJU degrades?

BIg East has always had that tough, hard nosed feel to it.  With core teams that are top 25 year in and out leaving-that irreplaceable.

AS for Gathers, everyone recruiting him will use the Lavin is sick, Big East is diminshed types of approach, along with the usual facilities are awful stuff.

The Big East's feel is great and all, but SJU winning games is the key.  SJU will always be in league with teams like Georgetown, nova, Marquette seton hall, and others.  Add some others like Xavier, Dayton etc and the league will be solid.  SJU has a particular advantage though of having NYC and MSG.  For one, Lavin isn't sick.  That will be resolved in a month.  Our facilities are fine.  We play in amazing arena in MSG and have great practice facility.  Duke plays I cruddy 9k old Cameron without all that and they do extremely well.

SJU havin MSG and NYC allows us to always be able to schedule a premier OOC schedule on top of our league schedule.  A coach like Lavin won't have a hard time selling that to 3-4 recruits per year, especially if he has built a successful program here.

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« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2011, 03:17:54 PM »
I disagree that there's a lot of talent left.  And as much as I want Gathers on board, I'm not convinced he answers our problems.  He certainly will help on the boards, but from the video i've seen of him; he's a 6-7 PF, who doesn't have the wing span to be a true shot-blocker.   So even with him (and even Jakar) in the lineup we're putting out a front court that won't top 6-8.   That's still undersized.  It's an improvement over playing Mo out of position, but it's far from ideal.



I'd be surprised if we got 1 of Pelle,Gathers or Sampson. I wouldnt be surprised if all 3 went elsewhere.

You're a negativist.  Why would you think any differently?  We are still heavy favorite for Gathers.  Pelle and Sampson I have no idea about, but sampson's idiot coach has a lot to do with Jakarr not being here.  I don't know how Jakarr will shake out but I think we still have a good shot unless we get submarined.



If they were so high on coming they would have never waivered. Now bigger and better programs are calling. We have a head coach not at games, we are getting our balls handed to us, and playing in a dying conference.

You have a hard time listening.  Both Gathers and Sampson wanted 100% to be here.  From what I hear, Gathers still does but some local guys in his ear about things.   I still feel confident about Gathers.  Sampson also has an issue no SJU related, that was/is the problem.  Both guys had plenty of interest from other schools before committing to SJU. 

Our head coach had cancer surgery and was cured.  His heal-time longer than expected but not permanent.  We got our balls handed to us by the best team in the country.  Oh well.  Our conference is far from dead just yet.  Even if it changes, has a school like Gonzaga, Temple or Xavier been hurt by their conference?  On the contrary, bball programs like SJU that can draw to MSG and NYC will always draw a premier schedule.  That schedule is what draws recruits and keeps a program afloat.  Temple Has never been in a conference as good as the Big East yet is ahead of SJU in All-time wins a few games behind Cuse.  Go figure, their program is far from dead.

So you replace top 10 programs with A10 teams and theres no step back?

I hope youre right about Gathers and the others. But everyday that pases, I think its more unlikely they come

Depends on what you mean by "step back"?  If you determine our league's bid number as being of sole importance, then yes, we'll have less bids.  Let me ask you though.  Do you think it is more important that a conference have a lot of bids, or that SJU makes the tournament?   Both issues are multi factorial and a strong big east doesn't mean SJU is in the NCAA every year. IMO, if we were in the A-10 the past 20 years, we would have been in the tourney much more than we were.  Just because the conference is good doesn't spell success for all teams.  We could possibly be a perennial powerhouse even in a significantly weakened league.  Sju's success is the only thing of importance to me. I don't think a dying league means a dying SJU.  Not in any way, shape or form.

As far as Gathers goes, what theory are you using that every day that passes, somehow his interest in SJU degrades?

BIg East has always had that tough, hard nosed feel to it.  With core teams that are top 25 year in and out leaving-that irreplaceable.

AS for Gathers, everyone recruiting him will use the Lavin is sick, Big East is diminshed types of approach, along with the usual facilities are awful stuff.

The Big East's feel is great and all, but SJU winning games is the key.  SJU will always be in league with teams like Georgetown, nova, Marquette seton hall, and others.  Add some others like Xavier, Dayton etc and the league will be solid.  SJU has a particular advantage though of having NYC and MSG.  For one, Lavin isn't sick.  That will be resolved in a month.  Our facilities are fine.  We play in amazing arena in MSG and have great practice facility.  Duke plays I cruddy 9k old Cameron without all that and they do extremely well.

SJU havin MSG and NYC allows us to always be able to schedule a premier OOC schedule on top of our league schedule.  A coach like Lavin won't have a hard time selling that to 3-4 recruits per year, especially if he has built a successful program here.

I dont think MSG is as big a factor as it used to be

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« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2011, 03:19:49 PM »
Taff holds its own. Its better than half the facilities in the BE.
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« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2011, 03:53:26 PM »
Taff holds its own. Its better than half the facilities in the BE.

Uconn doesn't even have one.  Carrier dome is a bad blizzard away from collapsing.

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« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2011, 04:25:34 PM »
Taff holds its own. Its better than half the facilities in the BE.

Uconn doesn't even have one.  Carrier dome is a bad blizzard away from collapsing.

Uconn and Syracuse don't have to sell their facilities to recruits. Norm used to bitch about that. It made me want to smack him.

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« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2011, 09:13:50 AM »
In addition to Wood, I agree we could use a PG, a shooter and 2 big bodies.  Right now we need a lot as we're only playing with 6 of Lavin's recruits and 7 true schollie players.  We'll be a force starting next year but people must remember that this season is a true rebuild.  We have to replace the entire roster.  Even without our setbacks of losing our coach for a while due to illness and 3 top 60 guys to eligibility issues, it would have been a massive rebuild. 

All those guys expecting to go into Rupp and lay a smack down against a much deeper, more experienced and extremely talented team are not being realistic.  I would have liked to keep the win to 10-15 points, but we didn't have enough horses and that was obvious.  We also didn't have our coach out there.  One year and a few more players.

It's ironic but I don't think we'd be that much better with Pelle, Sampson and Garrett. Our backcourt is just not cutting it without a true point and our forwards are being thrown around like rag dolls under the basket.  Lavin likes athletic types but a couple of studs are needed.  We also need a penetrator who makes others around him better.  We're doing it with converted combos as usual.  At least Hardy had something special and demanded attention at all times.  Noone on our roster fits that description.  Don't know how many points we passed up on but every one was a mistake the way I see it. At least Geno Lawrence gave us 4 boards per game and had a handle.  He was also a way better shooter than Lindsey.

How do you know we will ne a force next year.  Even with Jakar and Pelle, it will be their first year as well.  Now perhaps two years down the pike is another story.