What would a basketball only conference look like?

Cincy should embrace a rivalry like they have with Xavier.  It sells tickets and creates an environment that we all loved about the Big East's heyday.  We all remember the big rivalries with Cuse, Georgetown etc.  I think Nova vs Temple and Cincy vs Xavier are fantastic ones.  SJU can renew our bad blood with Georgetown and Uconn.  I think it makes for a great conference basketball-wise and people are under rating it by a big margin. 

This would be no glorified A-10.  You'd see a 5-6 bid league and some strong programs there.  Xavier is a no-brainer at this point though.  Fantastic bball program and tradition to replace Notre dame. 

Sorry guys, but schools like Iona and Fordham don't make the cut in the type of league we're trying to evolve into. 

I also don't agree wi splitting off.  Let all these schools pay their exit fees to leave so we can keep the Big East name and fill our pockets.  Why give up paydays for no reason?  Notre dame paying on their way out too..

The exit fee is chump change, no?

Last September, when voting to add Syracuse and Pittsburgh to form a new 14-team conference, the ACC's Council of Presidents voted to up the exit penalty from $12-$14 million to $20 million.

Pitt and Syracuse this summer negotiated $7.5 million Big East exit fees down to $5 million.   WTF???   ACC just raised theirs again to $50 million.  By comparison $5-7.5 million is chump change, yes.  Once TV contract is finalized BE should change exits fees on a system based on sports played between football and hoops and based on the revenue schools get from the TV contract for playing those sports.   ACC seems to think 3 times the annual TV contract revenue is a fair exit fee.

Last September, when voting to add Syracuse and Pittsburgh to form a new 14-team conference, the ACC's Council of Presidents voted to up the exit penalty from $12-$14 million to $20 million.

Pitt and Syracuse this summer negotiated $7.5 million Big East exit fees down to $5 million.   WTF???   ACC just raised theirs again to $50 million.  By comparison $5-7.5 million is chump change, yes.  Once TV contract is finalized BE should change exits fees on a system based on sports played between football and hoops and based on the revenue schools get from the TV contract for playing those sports.   ACC seems to think 3 times the annual TV contract revenue is a fair exit fee.

I agree w you. The ACC seems to always be 1 step ahead of the BE. Hopefully the BE will get a good TV deal. The new commish seems good, hopefully he will earn his money.

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No Memphis?

Problem wit Memphis is they got D1 fball. Thought it suck, they still got it. Dont want to relive what we been going through as a hybrid conference.
Same with UNLV.

Keep in bball-only, unless they willing to go to 1-AA or whatever.

I see, so where on our way to becoming a mid major?

Do you consider A-10 mid major?

Nah, but for us to loose all this so quick is devastating. Closer to a mid major then to a Power conference.

You really would consider 10 teams with history, fan bases and media markets like STJ, Gtown, Nova, Prov, Hall, Marq, Dep, Butler, Xavier mid major tho?  Thats still 4 bid conference IMO.  Could go 5-6 bids at 12 teams.

The initial mid major reference was an exaggeration. Sarcasm that's it's not the end of the world although a bit stunning to have that many teams exit in such a short span. And I was referring to the A-10 if we were to take temple and all the other teams mentioned they would Be closer to mid major than power material

Keep in mind, BE powers like Villanova and Pitt were, at one point,  A10. BE raided them and "made" them what they are today. The same can happen to SMU, Houston et al

BC took the BE for granted, walked away and is now irrelevant in basketball and football

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Quote from: Chilleb on September 12, 2012, 03:30:53 PM

No Memphis?

Problem wit Memphis is they got D1 fball. Thought it suck, they still got it. Dont want to relive what we been going through as a hybrid conference.
Same with UNLV.

Keep in bball-only, unless they willing to go to 1-AA or whatever.

I see, so where on our way to becoming a mid major?

Do you consider A-10 mid major?

Nah, but for us to loose all this so quick is devastating. Closer to a mid major then to a Power conference.

You really would consider 10 teams with history, fan bases and media markets like STJ, Gtown, Nova, Prov, Hall, Marq, Dep, Butler, Xavier mid major tho?  Thats still 4 bid conference IMO.  Could go 5-6 bids at 12 teams.

The initial mid major reference was an exaggeration. Sarcasm that's it's not the end of the world although a bit stunning to have that many teams exit in such a short span. And I was referring to the A-10 if we were to take temple and all the other teams mentioned they would Be closer to mid major than power material

Keep in mind, BE powers like Villanova and Pitt were, at one point,  A10. BE raided them and "made" them what they are today. The same can happen to SMU, Houston et al

BC took the BE for granted, walked away and is now irrelevant in basketball and football

What conference was STJ in before the BE

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Quote from: Moose on September 12, 2012, 04:00:51 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on September 12, 2012, 03:34:06 PM

Quote from: Choz4Life on September 12, 2012, 03:32:53 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on September 12, 2012, 03:30:53 PM

No Memphis?

Problem wit Memphis is they got D1 fball. Thought it suck, they still got it. Dont want to relive what we been going through as a hybrid conference.
Same with UNLV.

Keep in bball-only, unless they willing to go to 1-AA or whatever.

I see, so where on our way to becoming a mid major?

Do you consider A-10 mid major?

Nah, but for us to loose all this so quick is devastating. Closer to a mid major then to a Power conference.

You really would consider 10 teams with history, fan bases and media markets like STJ, Gtown, Nova, Prov, Hall, Marq, Dep, Butler, Xavier mid major tho?  Thats still 4 bid conference IMO.  Could go 5-6 bids at 12 teams.

The initial mid major reference was an exaggeration. Sarcasm that's it's not the end of the world although a bit stunning to have that many teams exit in such a short span. And I was referring to the A-10 if we were to take temple and all the other teams mentioned they would Be closer to mid major than power material

Keep in mind, BE powers like Villanova and Pitt were, at one point,  A10. BE raided them and "made" them what they are today. The same can happen to SMU, Houston et al

BC took the BE for granted, walked away and is now irrelevant in basketball and football

What conference was STJ in before the BE

ECAC quasi conference...no auto bids...Big East changed everything for all...SJ was an "original"...My point is that the BE will elevate the new entries...

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Quote from: Moose on September 12, 2012, 04:00:51 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on September 12, 2012, 03:34:06 PM

Quote from: Choz4Life on September 12, 2012, 03:32:53 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on September 12, 2012, 03:30:53 PM

No Memphis?

Problem wit Memphis is they got D1 fball. Thought it suck, they still got it. Dont want to relive what we been going through as a hybrid conference.
Same with UNLV.

Keep in bball-only, unless they willing to go to 1-AA or whatever.

I see, so where on our way to becoming a mid major?

Do you consider A-10 mid major?

Nah, but for us to loose all this so quick is devastating. Closer to a mid major then to a Power conference.

You really would consider 10 teams with history, fan bases and media markets like STJ, Gtown, Nova, Prov, Hall, Marq, Dep, Butler, Xavier mid major tho?  Thats still 4 bid conference IMO.  Could go 5-6 bids at 12 teams.

The initial mid major reference was an exaggeration. Sarcasm that's it's not the end of the world although a bit stunning to have that many teams exit in such a short span. And I was referring to the A-10 if we were to take temple and all the other teams mentioned they would Be closer to mid major than power material

Keep in mind, BE powers like Villanova and Pitt were, at one point,  A10. BE raided them and "made" them what they are today. The same can happen to SMU, Houston et al

BC took the BE for granted, walked away and is now irrelevant in basketball and football

What conference was STJ in before the BE

ECAC quasi conference...no auto bids...Big East changed everything for all...SJ was an "original"...My point is that the BE will elevate the new entries...

I agree was just curious about the conference before my time.  Who else was in it?

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Quote from: Moose on September 13, 2012, 08:27:30 PM

Quote from: section3 on September 13, 2012, 08:18:53 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on September 12, 2012, 04:24:39 PM

Quote from: Moose on September 12, 2012, 04:06:29 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on September 12, 2012, 04:04:15 PM

Quote from: Moose on September 12, 2012, 04:00:51 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on September 12, 2012, 03:34:06 PM

Quote from: Choz4Life on September 12, 2012, 03:32:53 PM

Quote from: Chilleb on September 12, 2012, 03:30:53 PM

No Memphis?

Problem wit Memphis is they got D1 fball. Thought it suck, they still got it. Dont want to relive what we been going through as a hybrid conference.
Same with UNLV.

Keep in bball-only, unless they willing to go to 1-AA or whatever.

I see, so where on our way to becoming a mid major?

Do you consider A-10 mid major?

Nah, but for us to loose all this so quick is devastating. Closer to a mid major then to a Power conference.

You really would consider 10 teams with history, fan bases and media markets like STJ, Gtown, Nova, Prov, Hall, Marq, Dep, Butler, Xavier mid major tho?  Thats still 4 bid conference IMO.  Could go 5-6 bids at 12 teams.

The initial mid major reference was an exaggeration. Sarcasm that's it's not the end of the world although a bit stunning to have that many teams exit in such a short span. And I was referring to the A-10 if we were to take temple and all the other teams mentioned they would Be closer to mid major than power material

Keep in mind, BE powers like Villanova and Pitt were, at one point,  A10. BE raided them and "made" them what they are today. The same can happen to SMU, Houston et al

BC took the BE for granted, walked away and is now irrelevant in basketball and football

What conference was STJ in before the BE

ECAC quasi conference...no auto bids...Big East changed everything for all...SJ was an "original"...My point is that the BE will elevate the new entries...

I agree was just curious about the conference before my time.  Who else was in it?

It was a real local conference including Rutgers, St. Peter's SH...seemed like it had no formal structure...trying to remember is tough..there are a lot of folks on the board who might remember...

Many people forget when the BE was formed, Rutgers wasnt a part of it.

I hate everyone of these ideas. Paying 65 dollars with 800 other fans to see st. Louis at the garden on a Tuesday night seems awesome. Gotta keep uconn, Louisville , and Memphis . Xavier good team, never selling out the garden. This is very sad.

I hate everyone of these ideas. Paying 65 dollars with 800 other fans to see st. Louis at the garden on a Tuesday night seems awesome. Gotta keep uconn, Louisville , and Memphis . Xavier good team, never selling out the garden. This is very sad.

Don't pay it.
I pay to watch the team I root for.  Not the other team on the court.

What's wrong going with what is? Looks like good hoops to me. If it's bball only get the best 9 this side of Marquette. What's up with these mega conference's, and splitten money with nothing teams that don't draw.

I hate everyone of these ideas. Paying 65 dollars with 800 other fans to see st. Louis at the garden on a Tuesday night seems awesome. Gotta keep uconn, Louisville , and Memphis . Xavier good team, never selling out the garden. This is very sad.

The alternative is us going independent. Then you wouldn't have to pay to see them because we'd be on the road from December to March, save for home games against St. Peter's and Rider and Fordham.

The names being thrown around are our best case scenario after the split. Creighton and St. Louis are admittedly not super sexy names, but they are quality programs.

Marquette
DePaul
Xavier
Creighton
Wichita State
St. Louis
Butler
Dayton

St. John's
Villanova
Georgetown
Seton Hall
Providence
VCU
Richmond
UMass

That's what I think I've settled on in my mind. I think there would be some quality basketball being played there, and we'd have a large footprint made manageable by East and Midwest divisions.

Not all programs is created equal.

Iona


Richmond



Fordham


George Mason

They certainly isn't

I might take Quinnipiacs gym over all of those, including Carnesecca

I might take Quinnipiacs gym over all of those, including Carnesecca

Pretty sure he was talking crowds not gym construction.

On this site people are fantasizing about an all BB conferance. On Redmen.com they are fantasizing about being part of the ACC. It seems few are happy w the BE.

Carnesecca still a dump even after they slapped a 35 million dollar coat of paint on it.

It was a real local conference including Rutgers, St. Peter's SH...seemed like it had no formal structure...trying to remember is tough..there are a lot of folks on the board who might remember...

NYNJ 7.

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It was a real local conference including Rutgers, St. Peter's SH...seemed like it had no formal structure...trying to remember is tough..there are a lot of folks on the board who might remember...

NYNJ 7.

Not quite. The New Jersey - New York 7.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/njny7/schools.html