Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name

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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #160 on: March 17, 2013, 12:01:37 AM »
Xavier is the other eastern school.   Whether cinncinnatti is really in the east or not is another question entirely. 
But Id bet they end up in the east division. 

Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #161 on: March 17, 2013, 12:16:19 AM »
Xavier is the other eastern school.   Whether cinncinnatti is really in the east or not is another question entirely. 
But Id bet they end up in the east division. 


are they going to split up Dayton and Xavier?
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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #162 on: March 17, 2013, 01:05:19 AM »
Xavier is the other eastern school.   Whether cinncinnatti is really in the east or not is another question entirely. 
But Id bet they end up in the east division. 


are they going to split up Dayton and Xavier?

Yea can't split them both up.
Now if Dayton isn't there.......
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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #163 on: March 17, 2013, 11:46:31 PM »
Congrats to our newest members Xavier, Creighton and Butler as confirmed by ESPN and other sources. 

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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #164 on: March 18, 2013, 08:54:00 AM »
BE an obvious plus for Creighton, nice summary.

“@JRbroadcaster: Creighton to accept Big East invite http://www.starherald.com/sports/regional_sports/creighton-to-accept-big-east-invite/article_4a2d6cd8-8ec6-11e2-9437-0019bb2963f4.html#.UUcM3-NWFdY.twitter via @tweetmeme”

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« Reply #165 on: March 18, 2013, 09:12:29 AM »
BE an obvious plus for Creighton, nice summary.

“@JRbroadcaster: Creighton to accept Big East invite http://www.starherald.com/sports/regional_sports/creighton-to-accept-big-east-invite/article_4a2d6cd8-8ec6-11e2-9437-0019bb2963f4.html#.UUcM3-NWFdY.twitter via @tweetmeme”

Yeah great summary.  Particularly this line-

Its entry into the newly reconfigured, basketball-centric conference will have the Bluejays annually going to battle on the court against such iconic programs as Georgetown, Marquette and Villanova.
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« Reply #166 on: March 18, 2013, 09:19:24 AM »
BE an obvious plus for Creighton, nice summary.



“@JRbroadcaster: Creighton to accept Big East invite http://www.starherald.com/sports/regional_sports/creighton-to-accept-big-east-invite/article_4a2d6cd8-8ec6-11e2-9437-0019bb2963f4.html#.UUcM3-NWFdY.twitter via @tweetmeme”

Yeah great summary.  Particularly this line-

Its entry into the newly reconfigured, basketball-centric conference will have the Bluejays annually going to battle on the court against such iconic programs as Georgetown, Marquette and Villanova.

Maybe "iconic" relates to NCAA participation over past ten years. Nova, for example, has been in Dance 8 of past 9 years. GT and Marquette also are stronger than us in that regard. I have hopes for SJU, but we have become somewhat irrelevant in that regard. We are a "storied program" that has eroded. We just need to change that IMO.

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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #167 on: March 18, 2013, 11:49:05 AM »
Maybe "iconic" relates to NCAA participation over past ten years. Nova, for example, has been in Dance 8 of past 9 years. GT and Marquette also are stronger than us in that regard. I have hopes for SJU, but we have become somewhat irrelevant in that regard. We are a "storied program" that has eroded. We just need to change that IMO.

Probably it refers to national championships.

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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #168 on: March 18, 2013, 12:47:48 PM »
The Univ. of Maryland's deal to join the Big Ten "includes not only the lucrative annual payouts that all members receive, but also a significant concession obtained by the school -- a subsidy worth tens of millions of dollars from the conference to offset athletic teams' anticipated higher travel costs," according to sources cited by Jeff Barker of the Baltimore SUN. The subsidy "made an already appealing offer of Big Ten membership even more attractive to the school." Sources said that the subsidy is "in the range of $20 million to $30 million." The cost of "sending its teams halfway across the country ... was projected by the school to approximately double its travel budget." Maryland's travel budget for '12-13 is about $3M, while the projected figure for '14-15 -- the school's first year in the Big Ten -- is $6M. The subsidy "underscores how much the Big Ten coveted Maryland and the accompanying Baltimore-Washington television market." It was "not clear when the subsidy is to be received and whether it will be a lump sum or series of payments." Rutgers also has "studied the implications of Big Ten travel and is exploring creative solutions, but apparently not subsidies" (Baltimore SUN, 3/16).
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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #169 on: March 18, 2013, 01:50:00 PM »
Thanks for posting that. I was really curious about how this was going to work for schools who will be traveling much farther than before.  Especially for sports, other than football.  I thought it was strange that one reason the NHL was going to reorganize their divisions was to make things more regional, and save on cost, while the NCAA schools seem to be throwing caution to the wind in regards to travel.

The Univ. of Maryland's deal to join the Big Ten "includes not only the lucrative annual payouts that all members receive, but also a significant concession obtained by the school -- a subsidy worth tens of millions of dollars from the conference to offset athletic teams' anticipated higher travel costs," according to sources cited by Jeff Barker of the Baltimore SUN. The subsidy "made an already appealing offer of Big Ten membership even more attractive to the school." Sources said that the subsidy is "in the range of $20 million to $30 million." The cost of "sending its teams halfway across the country ... was projected by the school to approximately double its travel budget." Maryland's travel budget for '12-13 is about $3M, while the projected figure for '14-15 -- the school's first year in the Big Ten -- is $6M. The subsidy "underscores how much the Big Ten coveted Maryland and the accompanying Baltimore-Washington television market." It was "not clear when the subsidy is to be received and whether it will be a lump sum or series of payments." Rutgers also has "studied the implications of Big Ten travel and is exploring creative solutions, but apparently not subsidies" (Baltimore SUN, 3/16).
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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #170 on: March 18, 2013, 03:02:06 PM »
The obvious moves have been handled. The name, the core group of the Catholic 7 Big East schools, plus expected invitations  to Butler and Xavier of the Atlantic 10 and Creighton of the Missouri Valley Conference have been the primary headline makers.

What is not as visible is the process of building a conference structure, staffing, hiring officials for games next season, setting up scheduling and hiring a commissioner to lead the way for an organization that will be up and running as the Big East on July 1.

According to sources familiar with the process, the Catholic 7 group has made the first move in that direction by hiring former Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebee to help facilitate that process. Although Beebee, who now runs a crisis management/consulting firm based in Dallas, is not regarded as a candidate for a permanent position as a commissioner, he is expected to set up the frame work for the new Big East when it does open its doors for business, most likely in New York City.

“@blauds: New Big East looking to former Big 12 Commish Dan BeeBee for help in setting up operation http://ajerseyguy.com

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« Reply #171 on: March 18, 2013, 03:10:40 PM »
There are reports saying the new Big East schools are getting annoyed at G'Town for "taking over" the conference. For example, the commisioner they are looking at is a G'Town alumni, and a few other higher ups involved with the new league are as well. Other schools are reportedly upset with them for taking credit for separation even though they were the only school that was reluctant to join.

IMO even if this report is true, so what? We are never going to be better than G'Town. They have been better than us even in our heyday with Mullin, and way better recently. I don't mind them being the centerpiece of the new Big East...I mean they basically are the clear #1 school in the new conference. After G'Town, Nova, Marquette there is a big drop off to SH, DePaul, SJ, etc. but adding Butler, STL, Xavier, etc. should close that gap. For all I care they can call it the G'Town conference...I'm just grateful to escape the realignment BS and still play in a premier league.

If ever there was a time to have a rebirth for the SJ basketball program, it's now. New coach, much better recruiting, new conference, no more Cuse, Pitt, WVU, ND, Cincy, L'Ville in our way, etc. IMO if we are any worse than a top 4 team next year, it's disappointing. 5th is possible especially with Xavier, Butler, VCU, St. Louis if they come, but I would only accept 5th if it becomes a 12 team league. If it stays 10 then we better be no worse than 4.

If its a ten team league, ill be disappointed if we're not top 4.

Agreed.  And I think the League could pull 5 bids.

I am excited for the new league but I cringe when I see people who look forward to this new league because they feel it will be "easier" to compete.  I see a lot of SHU fans making these remarks.

Not me though.  Making this move was necessary but I will miss playing the Lville's and Cuse's of the world because their level is what SJU should strive to be as good as and it is why you hire someone like Coach Lavin.  To me our goals of competing for recruits off the court and on the court against the best teams does not change nor should it.

That would be like a Virginia Tech fan saying "We should strive to be Duke". Well, sure you can "strive" to be like the best teams from your conference. Whether or not that is wishful thinking is another thing entirely. To say we should be like Cuse or L'Ville is asking too much of this program. Maybe after a successful decade of constantly making the tourney, getting our name back out there, actually landing the Lawrence, McCullough, Anderson type major recruits, and getting our confidence back we can list that as a realistic goal. But for a program that has 1 NCAA tourney win in 13 years, saying we should be like Cuse is just setting yourself up for failure. They are one of the very best teams in the nation every year. We would be thrilled just to MAKE the tournament or earn a #25 ranking.

Rome wasn't built in a day...we will need nice long sustained success, major recruits, and a total rejuvination of this program to get back to the glory days. With that said, I think demanding at least an NCAA appearance next year is totally justified. We will not be anywhere near Cuse or L'Ville however. You don't go from the bottom of the conference to amazing with the snap of the hand...at least for sustained success. Right now we are still seen as one of the door mats compared to G'Town, Nova, Marquette, etc...that HAS to change. If we get overtaken by Xavier, Butler, VCU, St. Louis, etc. in our new conference it will be very, very embarrassing and Lavin will be looking over his shoulder.
Who are you going to demand the NCAA bid from? Otherwise I agree, time and consistency to find our place back in the conversation.

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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #172 on: March 18, 2013, 07:34:02 PM »
The obvious moves have been handled. The name, the core group of the Catholic 7 Big East schools, plus expected invitations  to Butler and Xavier of the Atlantic 10 and Creighton of the Missouri Valley Conference have been the primary headline makers.

What is not as visible is the process of building a conference structure, staffing, hiring officials for games next season, setting up scheduling and hiring a commissioner to lead the way for an organization that will be up and running as the Big East on July 1.

According to sources familiar with the process, the Catholic 7 group has made the first move in that direction by hiring former Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebee to help facilitate that process. Although Beebee, who now runs a crisis management/consulting firm based in Dallas, is not regarded as a candidate for a permanent position as a commissioner, he is expected to set up the frame work for the new Big East when it does open its doors for business, most likely in New York City.

“@blauds: New Big East looking to former Big 12 Commish Dan BeeBee for help in setting up operation http://ajerseyguy.com

Paultzman, any truth to the rumor that Mike Maher is a strong candidate for commissioner?  He already is the commissioner of section 114.

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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #173 on: March 18, 2013, 07:43:55 PM »
The obvious moves have been handled. The name, the core group of the Catholic 7 Big East schools, plus expected invitations  to Butler and Xavier of the Atlantic 10 and Creighton of the Missouri Valley Conference have been the primary headline makers.

What is not as visible is the process of building a conference structure, staffing, hiring officials for games next season, setting up scheduling and hiring a commissioner to lead the way for an organization that will be up and running as the Big East on July 1.

According to sources familiar with the process, the Catholic 7 group has made the first move in that direction by hiring former Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebee to help facilitate that process. Although Beebee, who now runs a crisis management/consulting firm based in Dallas, is not regarded as a candidate for a permanent position as a commissioner, he is expected to set up the frame work for the new Big East when it does open its doors for business, most likely in New York City.

“@blauds: New Big East looking to former Big 12 Commish Dan BeeBee for help in setting up operation http://ajerseyguy.com

Paultzman, any truth to the rumor that Mike Maher is a strong candidate for commissioner?  He already is the commissioner of section 114.

Dropping that tray of brews on Monasch at SJU Stout reception may have hurt his chances.

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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #174 on: March 18, 2013, 08:00:40 PM »
The obvious moves have been handled. The name, the core group of the Catholic 7 Big East schools, plus expected invitations  to Butler and Xavier of the Atlantic 10 and Creighton of the Missouri Valley Conference have been the primary headline makers.

What is not as visible is the process of building a conference structure, staffing, hiring officials for games next season, setting up scheduling and hiring a commissioner to lead the way for an organization that will be up and running as the Big East on July 1.

According to sources familiar with the process, the Catholic 7 group has made the first move in that direction by hiring former Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebee to help facilitate that process. Although Beebee, who now runs a crisis management/consulting firm based in Dallas, is not regarded as a candidate for a permanent position as a commissioner, he is expected to set up the frame work for the new Big East when it does open its doors for business, most likely in New York City.

“@blauds: New Big East looking to former Big 12 Commish Dan BeeBee for help in setting up operation http://ajerseyguy.com

Paultzman, any truth to the rumor that Mike Maher is a strong candidate for commissioner?  He already is the commissioner of section 114.

Dropping that tray of brews on Monasch at SJU Stout reception may have hurt his chances.

Maher was jut trying to wash his competitor's spray tan off...

Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #175 on: March 18, 2013, 10:08:37 PM »
The obvious moves have been handled. The name, the core group of the Catholic 7 Big East schools, plus expected invitations  to Butler and Xavier of the Atlantic 10 and Creighton of the Missouri Valley Conference have been the primary headline makers.

What is not as visible is the process of building a conference structure, staffing, hiring officials for games next season, setting up scheduling and hiring a commissioner to lead the way for an organization that will be up and running as the Big East on July 1.

According to sources familiar with the process, the Catholic 7 group has made the first move in that direction by hiring former Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebee to help facilitate that process. Although Beebee, who now runs a crisis management/consulting firm based in Dallas, is not regarded as a candidate for a permanent position as a commissioner, he is expected to set up the frame work for the new Big East when it does open its doors for business, most likely in New York City.

“@blauds: New Big East looking to former Big 12 Commish Dan BeeBee for help in setting up operation http://ajerseyguy.com

Paultzman, any truth to the rumor that Mike Maher is a strong candidate for commissioner?  He already is the commissioner of section 114.
114 will take over the world. And Paultz I might have spilled a beer every now and then but never a tray !!  :)


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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #176 on: March 19, 2013, 07:38:13 AM »
The obvious moves have been handled. The name, the core group of the Catholic 7 Big East schools, plus expected invitations  to Butler and Xavier of the Atlantic 10 and Creighton of the Missouri Valley Conference have been the primary headline makers.

What is not as visible is the process of building a conference structure, staffing, hiring officials for games next season, setting up scheduling and hiring a commissioner to lead the way for an organization that will be up and running as the Big East on July 1.

According to sources familiar with the process, the Catholic 7 group has made the first move in that direction by hiring former Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebee to help facilitate that process. Although Beebee, who now runs a crisis management/consulting firm based in Dallas, is not regarded as a candidate for a permanent position as a commissioner, he is expected to set up the frame work for the new Big East when it does open its doors for business, most likely in New York City.

“@blauds: New Big East looking to former Big 12 Commish Dan BeeBee for help in setting up operation http://ajerseyguy.com

Paultzman, any truth to the rumor that Mike Maher is a strong candidate for commissioner?  He already is the commissioner of section 114.
114 will take over the world. And Paultz I might have spilled a beer every now and then but never a tray !!  :)

Ha!



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Re: Catholic 7 expected to keep Big East name
« Reply #178 on: March 19, 2013, 08:35:14 AM »
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So they have a rent free deal in a crappy arena.  And had an offer for a rent free deal from the United Center for the last 10 yrs but passed.

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« Reply #179 on: March 19, 2013, 03:39:10 PM »
Get the ball rolling and protect MSG!

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