Frontcourt vs. Backcourt

If you combine the two majority and minority schools of thought on the board: 1) That at least one of the Aggie and Jordan should be on the court at all times manning the point (majority); and 2) That the hexagon needs to play substantial minutes (minority).  Than I see the only answer to be that we play a three guard lineup exclusively with the 120 minutes divied up between 3'lo, Aggie, Jordan and Square.

That leaves only 80 frontcourt minutes to be divided up by N Deliliah, Double G, Oblockpa and Sir with no Love.  Feel Jakarr needs to play 35. Leaves 45 minutes for the other 3.  Obekpa and Sir Dom's minutes will have to continue to take a big hit and King Crimson's minutes get restricted even further.

If you combine the two majority and minority schools of thought on the board: 1) That at least one of the Aggie and Jordan should be on the court at all times manning the point (majority); and 2) That the hexagon needs to play substantial minutes (minority).  Than I see the only answer to be that we play a three guard lineup exclusively with the 120 minutes divied up between 3'lo, Aggie, Jordan and Square.

That leaves only 80 frontcourt minutes to be divided up by N Deliliah, Double G, Oblockpa and Sir with no Love.  Feel Jakarr needs to play 35. Leaves 45 minutes for the other 3.  Obekpa and Sir Dom's minutes will have to continue to take a big hit and King Crimson's minutes get restricted even further.

good topic carmine, this is where I sit on it.

3 guard sets for the majority but not entirety of the game.

30 for dlo
30 for sheed   
25 for branch

that leaves around 35 minutes for Phil and Dom to split which I think is a perfect number. The minutes Phil gets should never be at the 1 and Im not against Dom playing 5 or so minutes at the 4.

Sanchez and Jakarr should be playing as close to 30 as they can with Gift and Obekpa backing up accordingly.

How could I forget DR?  This three guard lineup I favor means nothing but crumbs for some of our 3, 4 and 5's.

In the last 3 games he has played in 38 of a possible 120 minutes.
Team is 3-0

I like the 3 guard linup . In my mind Phil's minutes get squeezed. I think Sampson also plays close to 30. Pointer gets some of his minutes at 4.

In the last 3 games he has played in 38 of a possible 120 minutes.
Team is 3-0

In the 1st of the three he was our obvious Mvp. 

In the 2nd of the three he played only 14 minutes but still produced 24% of our assists (4), no turnovers and 1 steal.

In the third of the three he did not play.

Have I mentioned that he has become a better three point shooter than Larry Wright?

When has ur boy been an MVP vs a good team?

When has ur boy been an MVP vs a good team?

Phil Greene' s best games

Monmouth 22
Youngstown 17
Bucknell 16
Dartmouth 16
Providence 15
Penn State 14
Fordham 11

versus his worst

Georgetown 7
Wisconsin 5
Xavier 5
Villanova 4
Syracuse 2
Columbia 2
Seton Hall 0
DePaul 0

Pattern?

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Despite being 3rd in minutes Greene is
5th in steals
6th in assists
7th in rebounds 
9th in blocks

He's

7th in FG percentage
8th in FT percentage (65%)

The one thing he's done well this year is shoot threes (40%). He should be fighting Hooper for minutes.
 

Quote from: TONYD3 on January 28, 2014, 08:54:30 AM

When has ur boy been an MVP vs a good team?

Phil Greene' s best games

Monmouth 22
Youngstown 17
Bucknell 16
Dartmouth 16
Providence 15
Penn State 14
Fordham 11

versus his worst

Georgetown 7
Wisconsin 5
Xavier 5
Villanova 4
Syracuse 2
Columbia 2
Seton Hall 0
DePaul 0

Pattern?

===

Despite being 3rd in minutes Greene is
5th in steals
6th in assists
7th in rebounds 
9th in blocks

He's

7th in FG percentage
8th in FT percentage (65%)

The one thing he's done well this year is shoot threes (40%). He should be fighting Hooper for minutes.
 

PG4, our 3 point specialist?  Who wouldve thunk it (besides Carmine)?

Quote from: we are sju on January 27, 2014, 04:29:27 PM

In the last 3 games he has played in 38 of a possible 120 minutes.
Team is 3-0

In the 1st of the three he was our obvious Mvp. 

In the 2nd of the three he played only 14 minutes but still produced 24% of our assists (4), no turnovers and 1 steal.

In the third of the three he did not play.

Have I mentioned that he has become a better three point shooter than Larry Wright?

My friend Stat Sheet vehemently disagrees
Larry Wright shot 43% from three his frosh season and 40% his Soph year
Greene shot 28% frosh year, 22% last year and has gotten up to 40% this season. By end of season he will drift back into the 30's especially if Lavin has finally figured out he is not good and plays him appropriately. Furthermore if Larry Legend was given half of Greene's opportunity he would not have transfered.
A better comparison to Greene would be Avery Set Shot Patterson

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2014, 01:33:47 AM

Quote from: we are sju on January 27, 2014, 04:29:27 PM

In the last 3 games he has played in 38 of a possible 120 minutes.
Team is 3-0

In the 1st of the three he was our obvious Mvp. 

In the 2nd of the three he played only 14 minutes but still produced 24% of our assists (4), no turnovers and 1 steal.

In the third of the three he did not play.

Have I mentioned that he has become a better three point shooter than Larry Wright?

My friend Stat Sheet vehemently disagrees
Larry Wright shot 43% from three his frosh season and 40% his Soph year
Greene shot 28% frosh year, 22% last year and has gotten up to 40% this season. By end of season he will drift back into the 30's especially if Lavin has finally figured out he is not good and plays him appropriately. Furthermore if Larry Legend was given half of Greene's opportunity he would not have transfered.
A better comparison to Greene would be Avery Set Shot Patterson

When I wrote "he has become a better three point shooter than Larry Wright",  I was referring to the fact that Triangle's 3 point percentage is currently higher than Larry Wright's was his last season here. Hence the "he has become", meaning he wasn't in the past but is now.  If he finishes lower,  than you and/or your stat sheet would be correct.

How do you like the impeccable form on Triangle's 3 pointer?  I know you're a big form guy.

Quote from: we are sju on January 28, 2014, 10:45:34 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2014, 01:33:47 AM

Quote from: we are sju on January 27, 2014, 04:29:27 PM

In the last 3 games he has played in 38 of a possible 120 minutes.
Team is 3-0

In the 1st of the three he was our obvious Mvp. 

In the 2nd of the three he played only 14 minutes but still produced 24% of our assists (4), no turnovers and 1 steal.

In the third of the three he did not play.

Have I mentioned that he has become a better three point shooter than Larry Wright?

My friend Stat Sheet vehemently disagrees
Larry Wright shot 43% from three his frosh season and 40% his Soph year
Greene shot 28% frosh year, 22% last year and has gotten up to 40% this season. By end of season he will drift back into the 30's especially if Lavin has finally figured out he is not good and plays him appropriately. Furthermore if Larry Legend was given half of Greene's opportunity he would not have transfered.
A better comparison to Greene would be Avery Set Shot Patterson

When I wrote "he has become a better three point shooter than Larry Wright",  I was referring to the fact that Triangle's 3 point percentage is currently higher than Larry Wright's was his last season here. Hence the "he has become", meaning he wasn't in the past but is now.  If he finishes lower,  than you and/or your stat sheet would be correct.

How do you like the impeccable form on Triangle's 3 pointer?  I know you're a big form guy.

He shoots with the ball to close to his head. It looks like it almost touches his forehead. Sort of a sling shot. Nothing wrong with it Mullin shot a lefty version of it but Mullin was 6-7.
It is not in the league of a classic jumper like Allan Houston or Larry Wright.

It is not in the league of a classic jumper like Allan Houston or Larry Wright.

First time those two names have ever been mentioned in the same sentence...other than by Larry himself.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2014, 04:35:53 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 28, 2014, 10:45:34 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2014, 01:33:47 AM

Quote from: we are sju on January 27, 2014, 04:29:27 PM

In the last 3 games he has played in 38 of a possible 120 minutes.
Team is 3-0

In the 1st of the three he was our obvious Mvp. 

In the 2nd of the three he played only 14 minutes but still produced 24% of our assists (4), no turnovers and 1 steal.

In the third of the three he did not play.

Have I mentioned that he has become a better three point shooter than Larry Wright?

My friend Stat Sheet vehemently disagrees
Larry Wright shot 43% from three his frosh season and 40% his Soph year
Greene shot 28% frosh year, 22% last year and has gotten up to 40% this season. By end of season he will drift back into the 30's especially if Lavin has finally figured out he is not good and plays him appropriately. Furthermore if Larry Legend was given half of Greene's opportunity he would not have transfered.
A better comparison to Greene would be Avery Set Shot Patterson

When I wrote "he has become a better three point shooter than Larry Wright",  I was referring to the fact that Triangle's 3 point percentage is currently higher than Larry Wright's was his last season here. Hence the "he has become", meaning he wasn't in the past but is now.  If he finishes lower,  than you and/or your stat sheet would be correct.

How do you like the impeccable form on Triangle's 3 pointer?  I know you're a big form guy.

He shoots with the ball to close to his head. It looks like it almost touches his forehead. Sort of a sling shot. Nothing wrong with it Mullin shot a lefty version of it but Mullin was 6-7.
It is not in the league of a classic jumper like Allan Houston or Larry Wright.

Greene also isnt totally upright when he shoots. Looks strange but if it goes in it goes in

Quote from: we are sju on January 28, 2014, 10:45:34 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2014, 01:33:47 AM

Quote from: we are sju on January 27, 2014, 04:29:27 PM

In the last 3 games he has played in 38 of a possible 120 minutes.
Team is 3-0

In the 1st of the three he was our obvious Mvp. 

In the 2nd of the three he played only 14 minutes but still produced 24% of our assists (4), no turnovers and 1 steal.

In the third of the three he did not play.

Have I mentioned that he has become a better three point shooter than Larry Wright?

My friend Stat Sheet vehemently disagrees
Larry Wright shot 43% from three his frosh season and 40% his Soph year
Greene shot 28% frosh year, 22% last year and has gotten up to 40% this season. By end of season he will drift back into the 30's especially if Lavin has finally figured out he is not good and plays him appropriately. Furthermore if Larry Legend was given half of Greene's opportunity he would not have transfered.
A better comparison to Greene would be Avery Set Shot Patterson

When I wrote "he has become a better three point shooter than Larry Wright",  I was referring to the fact that Triangle's 3 point percentage is currently higher than Larry Wright's was his last season here. Hence the "he has become", meaning he wasn't in the past but is now.  If he finishes lower,  than you and/or your stat sheet would be correct.

How do you like the impeccable form on Triangle's 3 pointer?  I know you're a big form guy.

Impeccable form? Are you crazy? He scores on Longwood, Monmouth and Dartmouth. Just like Geno Lawrence did.

He scores on Longwood, Monmouth and Dartmouth. Just like Geno Lawrence did.

And on Providence and Penn St. and Baylor and Villanova and Louisville and Marquette and Virginia and Syracuse and DePaul.  You are seriously delusional about the perceived shortcomings of Mr. Greene.  Unfortunately, you are not alone on this board.

Quote from: Poison on January 28, 2014, 07:25:07 PM

He scores on Longwood, Monmouth and Dartmouth. Just like Geno Lawrence did.

And on Providence and Penn St. and Baylor firm and Villanova and Louisville and Marquette and Virginia and Syracuse and DePaul.  You are seriously delusional about the perceived shortcomings of Mr. Greene.  Unfortunately, you are not alone on this board.

Phil Greene had 2 points against SU. He had 4 vs Nova. Are you saying that he had good form despite not hitting any three pointers? I'm joking, but when I said "crazy" I was referring to stuff like this. 

And BTW, guess how many points Greene had vs Depaul? Zero.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2014, 08:57:23 PM

Quote from: Poison on January 28, 2014, 07:25:07 PM

He scores on Longwood, Monmouth and Dartmouth. Just like Geno Lawrence did.

And on Providence and Penn St. and Baylor firm and Villanova and Louisville and Marquette and Virginia and Syracuse and DePaul.  You are seriously delusional about the perceived shortcomings of Mr. Greene.  Unfortunately, you are not alone on this board.

Phil Greene had 2 points against SU. He had 4 vs Nova. Are you saying that he had good form despite not hitting any three pointers? I'm joking, but when I said "crazy" I was referring to stuff like this. 

And BTW, guess how many points Greene had vs Depaul? Zero.

Phil scored 15 against Nova on 1/2/13
Phil scored 16 against Nova on 3/13/13

Phil scored 14 against Syracuse on 2/4/12

And while we're at it.

18 against Pittsburgh 2/29/12

24 against Baylor 11/18/12

21 against Louisville 2/14/13

20 against Marquette 3/9/13  and there are plenty more where these came from.

I guess you're wrong once again.  This is tooo easy!

When has ur boy been an MVP vs a good team?

This exercise was not easy as you did not provide me with what you consider to be what I consider to be the very subjective definition of "good" team.

I started by looking at nationally ranked opponents and came up with these MVP performances by my "boy":

11/18/12  Baylor  ranked #16

2/14/13   Louisville ranked #12

3/9/13   Marquette ranked #15

Then I began looking at all opponents that begin with the letter "V"...jkjk...I picked Villanova because they've been good for a long time, are well coached and are a traditional strong conference rival; and I picked Virginia because they've been a decent program in the nations best conference, it was a second round NIT game and I liked Ralph Sampson:

3/13/13  Villanova

3/24/13  Virginia

Do you see now how perception often doesn't mesh with reality?

This is fun.  You guys are making my argument for me.  Even I didn't realize what a fine player he's been for us.
 

Quote from: TONYD3 on January 28, 2014, 08:54:30 AM

When has ur boy been an MVP vs a good team?

This exercise was not easy as you did not provide me with what you consider to be what I consider to be the very subjective definition of "good" team.

I started by looking at nationally ranked opponents and came up with these MVP performances by my "boy":

11/18/12  Baylor  ranked #16

2/14/13   Louisville ranked #12

3/9/13   Marquette ranked #15

Then I began looking at all opponents that begin with the letter "V"...jkjk...I picked Villanova because they've been good for a long time, are well coached and are a traditional strong conference rival; and I picked Virginia because they've been a decent program in the nations best conference, it was a second round NIT game and I liked Ralph Sampson:

3/13/13  Villanova

3/24/13  Virginia

Do you see now how perception often doesn't mesh with reality?

This is fun.  You guys are making my argument for me.  Even I didn't realize what a fine player he's been for us.
 

How many of those games did we win. Going on memory alone I think None.