Niagara Game Discussion

Quote from: Dave on December 02, 2014, 11:03:01 PM

Henderson is good practice depth but he isn't going to get minutes this year or future. Liam Beasley and Kevin Clark were better.

You've posted some dumb stuff in your day, but this may take the cake. I don't see Henderson as top 5-7 rotation guy by any means (especially with Stewart around), but Liam and Kevin (both great guys) should never be in the same sentence as Henderson.

Moose hates it when he agrees with Marillac

Steve Lavin on Rysheed Jordan: "Sometimes when you sit down a player you're seeing how they react"

Sheed's body language and on court demeanor have become very discouraging, and clearly Lavin is still constantly challenging him while trying to teach him in the process. His teammates don't root for him the way they do others, and if you were watching closely, he needed to be reprimanded by a ref at the end of the game for his immature act of placing the ball near the floor, instead of simply passing it to the ref after being called for a inadvertent elbow. From his daily twitter rants every offseason to Lavin's personal muzzle on him from any media access, if leaves you to wonder how scouts view his overall character when considered to be a paid professional. His play over last weekend and tonight have been lackluster. Bottom line, his play really needs to turn around ASAP, but more importantly he's very immature and needs more time to grow as an individual and develop his character before he jumps into the real world, just my opinion. With all of this being said, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he looks like a sure fire first rounder on Saturday.

Side notes:

-Myles holds himself very well and his teammates already respect his game, they're looking for him and feed him the rock. Great to see! His development over the next 4 years will be awesome to watch.

-Very pleased with Jamal's floor game tn, we need that level of poise consistently from him, he needs to control the offense and keep his TO/Assist ratio down throughout the winter.

-Nice to see Amar knock one down, he knows his role as a screener and hopefully his intangibles shine in spot minutes as the season progresses.

-CJ and Felix's minutes are waning. Adonis' fate will be determined soon, and boy do we need him.

I realize Amar Ali B came over here from Italy but he is about as Italian as V. Putin!

Sheed's body language and on court demeanor have become very discouraging. His teammates don't root for him the way they do others, and if you were watching closely, he needed to be reprimanded by a ref at the end of the game for his immature act of placing the ball near the floor, instead of simply passing it to the ref after being called for a purposeful elbow. From his daily twitter rants every offseason to Lavin's personal muzzle on him from any media access, if leaves you to wonder how scouts view his overall character when considered to be a paid professional. His play over last weekend and tonight have been lackluster. Bottom line, his play really needs to turn around ASAP, but more importantly he's very immature and needs more time to grow as an individual and develop his character before he jumps, just my opinion. With all of this being said, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he looks like a sure fire first rounder on Saturday.

Side notes:

-Myles holds himself very well and his teammates already respect his game, they're looking for him and feed him the rock. Great to see, his development over the next 4 years will be awesome to watch.

-Very pleased with Jamal's floor game tn, we need that level of poise consistently from him, he needs to control the offense and keep his TO/Assist ratio down throughout the winter.

-Nice to see Amar knock one down, he knows his role as a screener and hopefully his intangibles shine in spot minutes as the season progresses.

-CJ and Felix's minutes are waning. Adonis' fate will be determined soon, and boy do we need him.

I hope Stewart and Branch start against Syracuse. See if Myles could hit 50% of his threes at cuse, Branch seems more calm as a pg then Jordan. Of course the other 3 starters would be d, co and sir dom.
See if Green or Jordan could be the spark off the bench.

Stewart needs to shoot the 3 ball between 8-10 times on saturday, bet ya 4-6 of those goes in.

Steve Lavin on Rysheed Jordan: "Sometimes when you sit down a player you're seeing how they react" Sheed's body language and on court demeanor have become very discouraging, and clearly Lavin is still constantly challenging him while trying to teach him in the process. His teammates don't root for him the way they do others, and if you were watching closely, he needed to be reprimanded by a ref at the end of the game for his immature act of placing the ball near the floor, instead of simply passing it to the ref after being called for a inadvertent elbow. From his daily twitter rants every offseason to Lavin's personal muzzle on him from any media access, if leaves you to wonder how scouts view his overall character when considered to be a paid professional. His play over last weekend and tonight have been lackluster. Bottom line, his play really needs to turn around ASAP, but more importantly he's very immature and needs more time to grow as an individual and develop his character before he jumps into the real world, just my opinion. With all of this being said, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he looks like a sure fire first rounder on Saturday. Side notes: -Myles holds himself very well and his teammates already respect his game, they're looking for him and feed him the rock. Great to see! His development over the next 4 years will be awesome to watch. -Very pleased with Jamal's floor game tn, we need that level of poise consistently from him, he needs to control the offense and keep his TO/Assist ratio down throughout the winter. -Nice to see Amar knock one down, he knows his role as a screener and hopefully his intangibles shine in spot minutes as the season progresses. -CJ and Felix's minutes are waning. Adonis' fate will be determined soon, and boy do we need him.

This is a constructive and reasonable post. Thank you. I am losing hope fast. I agree with you that the team really looks for Myles and that shows you they have confidence in him.  He must be lighting it up in practice to have all those guys getting him the ball in those spots without hesitation...even in transition.
Amar looks solid.  How anyone could be down on a freshman big that has shown his fundamentals and hustle is beyond me.  He will be a really tough pick-and-pop guy to defend.  He's huge, has a good shot, and gets his feet set off the screen quickly.  He's not Jahlil Okafor, but that doesn't mean he can't be a solid four year guy in a program that makes 3-4 NCAA trips.
I have noticed a lot of what you posted about Jordan.  He seems really immature and the question marks about his demeanor, maturity, and off-court issues will be hard to overcome.  He really has no shot to be drafted in 2015....but I do love his game when he's firing on all cylinders.  What a talent.  

Quote from: QuanMan on December 02, 2014, 11:41:17 PM

Sheed's body language and on court demeanor have become very discouraging. His teammates don't root for him the way they do others, and if you were watching closely, he needed to be reprimanded by a ref at the end of the game for his immature act of placing the ball near the floor, instead of simply passing it to the ref after being called for a purposeful elbow. From his daily twitter rants every offseason to Lavin's personal muzzle on him from any media access, if leaves you to wonder how scouts view his overall character when considered to be a paid professional. His play over last weekend and tonight have been lackluster. Bottom line, his play really needs to turn around ASAP, but more importantly he's very immature and needs more time to grow as an individual and develop his character before he jumps, just my opinion. With all of this being said, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he looks like a sure fire first rounder on Saturday. Side notes: -Myles holds himself very well and his teammates already respect his game, they're looking for him and feed him the rock. Great to see, his development over the next 4 years will be awesome to watch. -Very pleased with Jamal's floor game tn, we need that level of poise consistently from him, he needs to control the offense and keep his TO/Assist ratio down throughout the winter. -Nice to see Amar knock one down, he knows his role as a screener and hopefully his intangibles shine in spot minutes as the season progresses. -CJ and Felix's minutes are waning. Adonis' fate will be determined soon, and boy do we need him.

I hope Stewart and Branch start against Syracuse. See if Myles could hit 50% of his threes at cuse, Branch seems more calm as a pg then Jordan. Of course the other 3 starters would be d, co and sir dom. See if Green or Jordan could be the spark off the bench. Stewart needs to shoot the 3 ball between 8-10 times on saturday, bet ya 4-6 of those goes in.

If  you are expecting six threes from Myles Stewart, this might explain why you are always so damn disappointed. How many freshmen (forget walkons) hit four, five, or six threes against Syracuse in the Dome?  That is just unrealistic.  

Quote from: Marillac on December 02, 2014, 11:17:37 PM

Quote from: Dave on December 02, 2014, 11:03:01 PM

Henderson is good practice depth but he isn't going to get minutes this year or future. Liam Beasley and Kevin Clark were better.

You've posted some dumb stuff in your day, but this may take the cake. I don't see Henderson as top 5-7 rotation guy by any means (especially with Stewart around), but Liam and Kevin (both great guys) should never be in the same sentence as Henderson.

Moose hates it when he agrees with Marillac

Get used to it, sista.
Who else wants to join the M&M boys against Dave! Mullin85berry86, it might be good for you to get in on this to be on the winning side of an argument.  Start you off small and you can grow from there.  This is like hitting a baseball off a tee.

Henderson is good practice depth but he isn't going to get minutes this year or future. Liam Beasley and Kevin Clark were better. Stewart is solid. Was under recruited due to injury and played for two of Lavin's connections in Westchester HS and Earl Watson Elite travel team. I like his length and demeanor on the floor. He is a solid replacement for Hooper. It was good to see Lavin use a deep rotation this game. He needed to get these guys some minutes because they will be needed at some point this year. Hopefully FDU or Fordham they can get some run too.

Jay Henderson had offers from Stanford and Dayton. How can you explain that if he really is just a walk on and nothing more?

Quote from: Moose on December 02, 2014, 11:37:19 PM

Quote from: Marillac on December 02, 2014, 11:17:37 PM

Quote from: Dave on December 02, 2014, 11:03:01 PM

Henderson is good practice depth but he isn't going to get minutes this year or future. Liam Beasley and Kevin Clark were better.

You've posted some dumb stuff in your day, but this may take the cake. I don't see Henderson as top 5-7 rotation guy by any means (especially with Stewart around), but Liam and Kevin (both great guys) should never be in the same sentence as Henderson.

Moose hates it when he agrees with Marillac

Get used to it, sista.
Who else wants to join the M&M boys against Dave! Mullin85berry86, it might be good for you to get in on this to be on the winning side of an argument.  Start you off small and you can grow from there.  This is like hitting a baseball off a tee.

Classic! Baby steps!

Quote from: mullin85berry86 on December 02, 2014, 11:57:50 PM

Quote from: QuanMan on December 02, 2014, 11:41:17 PM

Sheed's body language and on court demeanor have become very discouraging. His teammates don't root for him the way they do others, and if you were watching closely, he needed to be reprimanded by a ref at the end of the game for his immature act of placing the ball near the floor, instead of simply passing it to the ref after being called for a purposeful elbow. From his daily twitter rants every offseason to Lavin's personal muzzle on him from any media access, if leaves you to wonder how scouts view his overall character when considered to be a paid professional. His play over last weekend and tonight have been lackluster. Bottom line, his play really needs to turn around ASAP, but more importantly he's very immature and needs more time to grow as an individual and develop his character before he jumps, just my opinion. With all of this being said, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he looks like a sure fire first rounder on Saturday. Side notes: -Myles holds himself very well and his teammates already respect his game, they're looking for him and feed him the rock. Great to see, his development over the next 4 years will be awesome to watch. -Very pleased with Jamal's floor game tn, we need that level of poise consistently from him, he needs to control the offense and keep his TO/Assist ratio down throughout the winter. -Nice to see Amar knock one down, he knows his role as a screener and hopefully his intangibles shine in spot minutes as the season progresses. -CJ and Felix's minutes are waning. Adonis' fate will be determined soon, and boy do we need him.

I hope Stewart and Branch start against Syracuse. See if Myles could hit 50% of his threes at cuse, Branch seems more calm as a pg then Jordan. Of course the other 3 starters would be d, co and sir dom. See if Green or Jordan could be the spark off the bench. Stewart needs to shoot the 3 ball between 8-10 times on saturday, bet ya 4-6 of those goes in.

If  you are expecting six threes from Myles Stewart, this might explain why you are always so damn disappointed. How many freshmen (forget walkons) hit four, five, or six threes against Syracuse in the Dome?  That is just unrealistic. 

So he hit 3 tonight but because Saturdays game is in the Carrier dome with all those eyes on him, and it's the alnighty Syracuse team.
Yeah it's impossible.
It's the same exact game, the hoop is 10ft high, the basketball is the same, if you know how to shoot the rock then it's a simple game.
Just play catch and shoot with his teammates.

The only difference is he'll have 25,000 eyes on him there. If he can block that out, and just focus with the business on the court and block out the other stuff, then he should be fine. I mean he probably been playing the game since the age 4 or 5.

Wheather it's the park, hs, aau, college, and pros, it might get faster at each level but it's basically the same game.

Quote from: Moose on December 02, 2014, 11:37:19 PM

Quote from: Marillac on December 02, 2014, 11:17:37 PM

Quote from: Dave on December 02, 2014, 11:03:01 PM

Henderson is good practice depth but he isn't going to get minutes this year or future. Liam Beasley and Kevin Clark were better.

You've posted some dumb stuff in your day, but this may take the cake. I don't see Henderson as top 5-7 rotation guy by any means (especially with Stewart around), but Liam and Kevin (both great guys) should never be in the same sentence as Henderson.

Moose hates it when he agrees with Marillac

Get used to it, sista.
Who else wants to join the M&M boys against Dave! Mullin85berry86, it might be good for you to get in on this to be on the winning side of an argument.  Start you off small and you can grow from there.  This is like hitting a baseball off a tee.

hahaaaaaa   You'll soon get the picture, that I'll never quit my argument. I won't be intimidated with you being a legend on these boards with your multi thousand posts, and I'm just a small newbie poster.
 

Quote from: Dave on December 02, 2014, 11:03:01 PM

Henderson is good practice depth but he isn't going to get minutes this year or future. Liam Beasley and Kevin Clark were better. Stewart is solid. Was under recruited due to injury and played for two of Lavin's connections in Westchester HS and Earl Watson Elite travel team. I like his length and demeanor on the floor. He is a solid replacement for Hooper. It was good to see Lavin use a deep rotation this game. He needed to get these guys some minutes because they will be needed at some point this year. Hopefully FDU or Fordham they can get some run too.

Jay Henderson had offers from Stanford and Dayton. How can you explain that if he really is just a walk on and nothing more?

Because there is a difference between interest shown in a player, an offer being reported, and an actual scholarship being extended to a player.

Quote from: Dave on December 02, 2014, 11:03:01 PM

Henderson is good practice depth but he isn't going to get minutes this year or future. Liam Beasley and Kevin Clark were better.

You've posted some dumb stuff in your day, but this may take the cake. I don't see Henderson as top 5-7 rotation guy by any means (especially with Stewart around), but Liam and Kevin (both great guys) should never be in the same sentence as Henderson.

Why not?

Both Biesty and Clark averaged about double the amount of ppg as Henderson in high school. All Henderson has on them is 3 inches and he can dunk. He's a fringe DI player who decided to walk-on.

For comparison sake take a look at Emile Blackman. I used to call him mini Artest in high school. He is by far a superior player than Henderson and while he had some DI interest he chose to play at DII CW Post and eventually follow Coach Casey to Niagara. There are a ton of guys out there who play DII who are probably better than Henderson.

Henderson played for a high profile grassroots team and he probably caught hot one weekend and drew some mild interest from mid-high majors but the fact remains he's just an average guard who is great to have as a preferred walk-on. He seems like a great kid who is excited to be a part of the team and grateful he is but lets not exaggerate his level of potential.

Quote from: Marillac on December 03, 2014, 12:18:42 AM

Quote from: mullin85berry86 on December 02, 2014, 11:57:50 PM

Quote from: QuanMan on December 02, 2014, 11:41:17 PM

Sheed's body language and on court demeanor have become very discouraging. His teammates don't root for him the way they do others, and if you were watching closely, he needed to be reprimanded by a ref at the end of the game for his immature act of placing the ball near the floor, instead of simply passing it to the ref after being called for a purposeful elbow. From his daily twitter rants every offseason to Lavin's personal muzzle on him from any media access, if leaves you to wonder how scouts view his overall character when considered to be a paid professional. His play over last weekend and tonight have been lackluster. Bottom line, his play really needs to turn around ASAP, but more importantly he's very immature and needs more time to grow as an individual and develop his character before he jumps, just my opinion. With all of this being said, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he looks like a sure fire first rounder on Saturday. Side notes: -Myles holds himself very well and his teammates already respect his game, they're looking for him and feed him the rock. Great to see, his development over the next 4 years will be awesome to watch. -Very pleased with Jamal's floor game tn, we need that level of poise consistently from him, he needs to control the offense and keep his TO/Assist ratio down throughout the winter. -Nice to see Amar knock one down, he knows his role as a screener and hopefully his intangibles shine in spot minutes as the season progresses. -CJ and Felix's minutes are waning. Adonis' fate will be determined soon, and boy do we need him.

I hope Stewart and Branch start against Syracuse. See if Myles could hit 50% of his threes at cuse, Branch seems more calm as a pg then Jordan. Of course the other 3 starters would be d, co and sir dom. See if Green or Jordan could be the spark off the bench. Stewart needs to shoot the 3 ball between 8-10 times on saturday, bet ya 4-6 of those goes in.

If you are expecting six threes from Myles Stewart, this might explain why you are always so damn disappointed. How many freshmen (forget walkons) hit four, five, or six threes against Syracuse in the Dome? That is just unrealistic.

So he hit 3 tonight but because Saturdays game is in the Carrier dome with all those eyes on him, and it's the alnighty Syracuse team. Yeah it's impossible. It's the same exact game, the hoop is 10ft high, the basketball is the same, if you know how to shoot the rock then it's a simple game. Just play catch and shoot with his teammates. The only difference is he'll have 25,000 eyes on him there. If he can block that out, and just focus with the business on the court and block out the other stuff, then he should be fine. I mean he probably been playing the game since the age 4 or 5. Wheather it's the park, hs, aau, college, and pros, it might get faster at each level but it's basically the same game.

Impossible? No. But the last time St.John's defeated SU in the Dome, Erick Barkley was the point guard. We play right into their hands, and we've been doing it for 20 years now. 

Quote from: Marillac on December 02, 2014, 11:17:37 PM

Quote from: Dave on December 02, 2014, 11:03:01 PM

Henderson is good practice depth but he isn't going to get minutes this year or future. Liam Beasley and Kevin Clark were better.

You've posted some dumb stuff in your day, but this may take the cake. I don't see Henderson as top 5-7 rotation guy by any means (especially with Stewart around), but Liam and Kevin (both great guys) should never be in the same sentence as Henderson.

Why not? Both Biesty and Clark averaged about double the amount of ppg as Henderson in high school. All Henderson has on them is 3 inches and he can dunk. He's a fringe DI player who decided to walk-on. For comparison sake take a look at Emile Blackman. I used to call him mini Artest in high school. He is by far a superior player than Henderson and while he had some DI interest he chose to play at DII CW Post and eventually follow Coach Casey to Niagara. There are a ton of guys out there who play DII who are probably better than Henderson. Henderson played for a high profile grassroots team and he probably caught hot one weekend and drew some mild interest from mid-high majors but the fact remains he's just an average guard who is great to have as a preferred walk-on. He seems like a great kid who is excited to be a part of the team and grateful he is but lets not exaggerate his level of potential.

How can anyone exaggerate Henderson's potential when all we have to go on is a list of schools who have offered him? Also, I suppose many of us have seen him nail threes in transition, spotting up in the corner and with a hand in his face against a zone defense. I had high hopes for Felix Balamou, but I can't understand how that guy plays over Henderson. 

Quote from: Marillac on December 02, 2014, 11:17:37 PM

Quote from: Dave on December 02, 2014, 11:03:01 PM

Henderson is good practice depth but he isn't going to get minutes this year or future. Liam Beasley and Kevin Clark were better.

You've posted some dumb stuff in your day, but this may take the cake. I don't see Henderson as top 5-7 rotation guy by any means (especially with Stewart around), but Liam and Kevin (both great guys) should never be in the same sentence as Henderson.

Why not? Both Biesty and Clark averaged about double the amount of ppg as Henderson in high school. All Henderson has on them is 3 inches and he can dunk. He's a fringe DI player who decided to walk-on. For comparison sake take a look at Emile Blackman. I used to call him mini Artest in high school. He is by far a superior player than Henderson and while he had some DI interest he chose to play at DII CW Post and eventually follow Coach Casey to Niagara. There are a ton of guys out there who play DII who are probably better than Henderson. Henderson played for a high profile grassroots team and he probably caught hot one weekend and drew some mild interest from mid-high majors but the fact remains he's just an average guard who is great to have as a preferred walk-on. He seems like a great kid who is excited to be a part of the team and grateful he is but lets not exaggerate his level of potential.

Henderson also played with a McDonalds AA on his HS team no?  That could take away considerable chances.  (And you can of course respond saying it could open up chances for him  )

Our fan base is f*cking embarrassing. This game SUCKS as a player. You are playing a weekday game at a half-empty CA and not the Garden, playing against an inferior opponent that has this game circled as their Super Bowl, and right smack between #10 Gonzaga at MSG and your arch-nemis Syracuse. This was a classic trap game

Does Syracuse consider us their arch nemesis you think, or are we an inferior opponent that has that game circled as their Super Bowl, right smack between ranked Michigan State and whoever they play afterwards. I wonder if Jim Boeheim be smart enough to start his walk ons Sunday for motivation in what would otherwise be a classic trap game. Tune in Sunday to find out.

Quote from: Marillac on December 02, 2014, 09:22:32 PM

Our fan base is f*cking embarrassing. This game SUCKS as a player. You are playing a weekday game at a half-empty CA and not the Garden, playing against an inferior opponent that has this game circled as their Super Bowl, and right smack between #10 Gonzaga at MSG and your arch-nemis Syracuse. This was a classic trap game

Does Syracuse consider us their arch nemesis you think, or are we an inferior opponent that has that game circled as their Super Bowl, right smack between ranked Michigan State and whoever they play afterwards. I wonder if Jim Boeheim be smart enough to start his walk ons Sunday for motivation in what would otherwise be a classic trap game. Tune in Sunday to find out.

Syracuse is our nemesis in the same way the Lakers are the clippers nemesis.  Let's hope the exact same way with the roles reversing now.

If this team is going to make the tourney the three reasons will be Harrison, Jordan and Obepka. Those three have to play well or we will fall short. So I don't care if he averages 10 to's a game under no circumstance should Jordan come off the bench. Anyone who thinks that he should needs a labotomy!

Syracuse is our nemesis in the same way the Lakers are the clippers nemesis.

Or the way a ball of yarn is the nemesis of a cat.