Seton Hall game thread

Still haven't proven they can stack up in big east play, jury is still out. Time to put up or shut up.

- Done in by the 8 - 0 tide turning run to close out the first half and the 7 pt. swing Jim Burr brain cramp midway through the second period.

- I'll never get used to the timeouts after made baskets when we're trying to climb out of a hole.  I feel it cuts momentum.

- 3'lo has his first ever collegiate slam dunk.  Congrats.

- Done in by the 8 - 0 tide turning run to close out the first half and the 7 pt. swing Jim Burr brain cramp midway through the second period. - I'll never get used to the timeouts after made baskets when we're trying to climb out of a hole. I feel it cuts momentum. - 3'lo has his first ever collegiate slam dunk. Congrats.

Every fall I'm saddened when it becomes clear that Jim Burr is still alive. 

Still haven't proven they can stack up in big east play, jury is still out. Time to put up or shut up.

We're 11-2. Relax. 

Game was lost in last 2 min of 1st half.

That's when lavin went small protecting our players in foul trouble

It's disappointing, but SH is 11-2  with the #26 RPI and look very much like a legit tournament team.  It's not the type of team you walk and beat often on the road.


Rysheed Jordan had two of his turnovers lead to made three pointers (Gibbs to end first half, Sina at 12:30 mark of 2nd half). It was 44-53 when Jordan committed his stupid technical foul.  We lost possession as a result, Gibbs hit both FTs, and then Sina hit a three pointer to make it 58-44.  So instead of making it a six or seven point game, Jordan's decision to fling the ball resulted in a nearly insurmountable 14 point deficit that changed the entire game.   

@MikeVacc: Column: St. John's re-discovers being the hunted is much harder than being the hunter in buzzkill of a loss.  http://t.co/ATlx6mofYN #sjubb

Some thoughts re Seton Hall: http://www.bigeastboards.com/

I believe starting the game in a zone hurt our intensity on defense. When we switched to man the defense was not what we've seen in recent games. Overall the defense and rebounding reminded me of last years performance.

Seton Hall played a good game. If we are not forcing turnovers and other teams hit their outside shots, we will struggle if we only get production from Harrison on the outside. This is what makes sports so exciting, you don't know how teams will play until they play. We need Jordan to get his act together. Shake it off and get ready for Butler.

Quote from: mjdinkins on December 31, 2014, 02:49:32 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on December 31, 2014, 02:42:47 PM

we need jordan to be good. He has to be a 30 minute player. Not saying he deserved to play more today, but if he doesn't eaen his minutes and play well we aren't that good. The bigger role Phil has the worse we are and that's not a diss on Phil. Harrison needs a partner. Phil is a great spot up shooter. We need someone to help out on offense . Defense we tried to hard . For every block or steal we gave up 2 baskets . Setin hall played well. Still not a good loss .

Agree.... Harrison needs another steady partner. At this juncture, Greene and Jordan aren't carrying their weight. Jordan's an enigma. He has all the tools to be a steady contributor, but not sure about his mental makeup. I believe if Greene plays within himself, then he can be solid. He shoots too much, IMO. He also settles for too many jumpers. He should find a way to attack the tin a bit more aggressively. It's not a good loss at this moment. But I'm not worried about it. If we continue winning ball games, then today's game won't matter much.

Good points Dink. Greene's many, many off balance jumpers are driving me to drink. Regarding Jordan, I am not a shrink, but he seems in a funk, tentative one minute, forcing the next. His decision making & shot selection proficiency appear down from last year. Is not starting nor being one of main cogs on wheel so far adversely effecting him? I hope not. He gets ample time to shine & can if his head is on straight. We do need him to complement Dee in scoring column.

Something has definitely changed...he seemed to get to the basket much easier last year...assume it might be a function of better decision making last year...this year he tried to force it early on, got "slapped on the wrist", seems to to do it less but confidence seems to be wavering...it has to be the NBA weighing on his mind...
In any event, we absolutely need him as he is, at worst, our most gifted talent...

Quote from: paultzman on December 31, 2014, 02:59:21 PM

Quote from: mjdinkins on December 31, 2014, 02:49:32 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on December 31, 2014, 02:42:47 PM

we need jordan to be good. He has to be a 30 minute player. Not saying he deserved to play more today, but if he doesn't eaen his minutes and play well we aren't that good. The bigger role Phil has the worse we are and that's not a diss on Phil. Harrison needs a partner. Phil is a great spot up shooter. We need someone to help out on offense . Defense we tried to hard . For every block or steal we gave up 2 baskets . Setin hall played well. Still not a good loss .

Agree.... Harrison needs another steady partner. At this juncture, Greene and Jordan aren't carrying their weight. Jordan's an enigma. He has all the tools to be a steady contributor, but not sure about his mental makeup. I believe if Greene plays within himself, then he can be solid. He shoots too much, IMO. He also settles for too many jumpers. He should find a way to attack the tin a bit more aggressively. It's not a good loss at this moment. But I'm not worried about it. If we continue winning ball games, then today's game won't matter much.

Good points Dink. Greene's many, many off balance jumpers are driving me to drink. Regarding Jordan, I am not a shrink, but he seems in a funk, tentative one minute, forcing the next. His decision making & shot selection proficiency appear down from last year. Is not starting nor being one of main cogs on wheel so far adversely effecting him? I hope not. He gets ample time to shine & can if his head is on straight. We do need him to complement Dee in scoring column.

Something has definitely changed...he seemed to get to the basket much easier last year...assume it might be a function of better decision making last year...this year he tried to force it early on, got "slapped on the wrist", seems to to do it less but confidence seems to be wavering...it has to be the NBA weighing on his mind... In any event, we absolutely need him as he is, at worst, our most gifted talent...

I don't believe in rewarding players who don't work hard. However, if Jordan is abiding by team rules, practicing hard, etc, it may be better to start him. He may get in flow of game sooner. Also, not starting may be getting to him. In any event we need another scorer to complement Dee & he is the only candidate.

On a related note...why we weren't after some of these freshmen that SH secured is beyond me...Realize that they bartered to get Sina (soph), Delgado and Whitehead/Rodriguez but surprised we weren't more active going after Carrington...he looks like a good player

On a related note...why we weren't after some of these freshmen that SH secured is beyond me...Realize that they bartered to get Sina (soph), Delgado and Whitehead/Rodriguez but surprised we weren't more active going after Carrington...he looks like a good player

We were all over Carrington up until he committed to them

Quote from: section3 on January 01, 2015, 09:44:42 AM

On a related note...why we weren't after some of these freshmen that SH secured is beyond me...Realize that they bartered to get Sina (soph), Delgado and Whitehead/Rodriguez but surprised we weren't more active going after Carrington...he looks like a good player

We were all over Carrington up until he committed to them

Quote from: section3 on January 01, 2015, 09:44:42 AM

On a related note...why we weren't after some of these freshmen that SH secured is beyond me...Realize that they bartered to get Sina (soph), Delgado and Whitehead/Rodriguez but surprised we weren't more active going after Carrington...he looks like a good player

We were all over Carrington up until he committed to them

Really? I got the impression that a lot of folks, on the boards, did not like him and that we were not pursuing him aggressively

Like I said before the season began, SHU will be the surprise team the Big East this year. Once they get IW back, look out. They will be the surprise of the conf this year and next year they will be a top 20 preseason team, book it. So young and getting better every game.

After watching the marathon yesterday, the Johnnies better start playing with more urgency because the conference looks pretty deep and strong this year.

I think SJU needs to go 11-7, 10-8 at worst in conference play to get an at large bid.

Quote from: section3 on January 01, 2015, 09:29:25 AM

Quote from: paultzman on December 31, 2014, 02:59:21 PM

Quote from: mjdinkins on December 31, 2014, 02:49:32 PM

Quote from: TONYD3 on December 31, 2014, 02:42:47 PM

we need jordan to be good. He has to be a 30 minute player. Not saying he deserved to play more today, but if he doesn't eaen his minutes and play well we aren't that good. The bigger role Phil has the worse we are and that's not a diss on Phil. Harrison needs a partner. Phil is a great spot up shooter. We need someone to help out on offense . Defense we tried to hard . For every block or steal we gave up 2 baskets . Setin hall played well. Still not a good loss .

Agree.... Harrison needs another steady partner. At this juncture, Greene and Jordan aren't carrying their weight. Jordan's an enigma. He has all the tools to be a steady contributor, but not sure about his mental makeup. I believe if Greene plays within himself, then he can be solid. He shoots too much, IMO. He also settles for too many jumpers. He should find a way to attack the tin a bit more aggressively. It's not a good loss at this moment. But I'm not worried about it. If we continue winning ball games, then today's game won't matter much.

Good points Dink. Greene's many, many off balance jumpers are driving me to drink. Regarding Jordan, I am not a shrink, but he seems in a funk, tentative one minute, forcing the next. His decision making & shot selection proficiency appear down from last year. Is not starting nor being one of main cogs on wheel so far adversely effecting him? I hope not. He gets ample time to shine & can if his head is on straight. We do need him to complement Dee in scoring column.

Something has definitely changed...he seemed to get to the basket much easier last year...assume it might be a function of better decision making last year...this year he tried to force it early on, got "slapped on the wrist", seems to to do it less but confidence seems to be wavering...it has to be the NBA weighing on his mind... In any event, we absolutely need him as he is, at worst, our most gifted talent...

I don't believe in rewarding players who don't work hard. However, if Jordan is abiding by team rules, practicing hard, etc, it may be better to start him. He may get in flow of game sooner. Also, not starting may be getting to him. In any event we need another scorer to complement Dee & he is the only candidate.

I agree. Why not start him. He is much more of an offensive threat than Greene. Maybe that would make him feel better. It's worth a shot.positive re enforcement works better than negative re enforcement. But, we all know Lavin has a love affair w Greene. Greene should have his minutes reduced for taking ill advised shots. I also agree SHU is going to be real good next year. Too bad we couldn't get some of there recruits. 

On a related note...why we weren't after some of these freshmen that SH secured is beyond me...Realize that they bartered to get Sina (soph), Delgado and Whitehead/Rodriguez but surprised we weren't more active going after Carrington...he looks like a good player

They didn't barter to get Sina - anyone who says he went to SHU because of Fred Hill has no idea what they are talking about.

Seton hall played well and deserved to win. Still not impressed with them. Don't think they are very good. Not expecting a tournament team.

It's disappointing, but SH is 11-2 with the #26 RPI and look very much like a legit tournament team. It's not the type of team you walk and beat often on the road. Rysheed Jordan had two of his turnovers lead to made three pointers (Gibbs to end first half, Sina at 12:30 mark of 2nd half). It was 44-53 when Jordan committed his stupid technical foul. We lost possession as a result, Gibbs hit both FTs, and then Sina hit a three pointer to make it 58-44. So instead of making it a six or seven point game, Jordan's decision to fling the ball resulted in a nearly insurmountable 14 point deficit that changed the entire game.

#26 RPI with Whitehead

definitely a game they should be winning