Quote from: TRabinowitz on March 16, 2016, 11:46:44 AMSJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight MeikleAlso remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcriptAnd when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitmentSo those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches. Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program. If you can show me the rule that prohibits coaches from recruiting more then one player from a high school or JUCO school, I will agree with you. Otherwise I will say you shouldn't have posted that, because it seems to suggest it is illegal when it most certainly isn't. Why did you even bring it up? It's not against the rules.
SJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight MeikleAlso remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcriptAnd when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitmentSo those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches. Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program.
Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 07:48:16 PMQuote from: paultzman on March 16, 2016, 10:45:29 AMQuote from: Foad on March 15, 2016, 05:04:18 PMQuote from: WillieG on March 13, 2016, 07:54:53 PMI don't see why this wouldn't make anybody furious. It does not make me furious because I have a woman and a bong and a bottle of Ketel One. Okay, half a bottle. But tomorrow I'll have a full bottle. But that's just the circle of life.I agree with you re SH. Probably they cheated. In the same way that DoOk cheated getting Boozer and Duhon and whoever else. And the same way that all those other program cheated getting all those other recruits. It's your outrage that is hard to understand. This is the way college BB works. Larry Brown won a NC hiring Danny Manning's father. There's a long list. This shit happens. Which is why this selective outrage is misplaced. If Willard hired Tiny to get Whitehead and that resulted in Lavin getting fired they should hand Willard's jersey in the rafters in Carnesecca Arena. Agree & not too many high major programs don't cheat. The system is what it is. But Paultz, don't you think that's all the more reason to come down on the blue bloods if they get found out. Brown, Boeheim, Calhoun, Williams at UNC. The blue bloods. They have lucrative contracts with the world wide sports leader, and they are sort of being protected from a public relations standpoint. Any school should be punished.I don't think Jim Boeheim is being protected. He's been humbled by this recent NCAA situation. Not saying he's not completely guilty, because I believe the head coach is responsible for what happens in his program. But the media has let him have it. Notice after they fired Beenie Fine no one else took an ounce of blame for anything that the university was guilty of. Only Boeheim answered for it. I'm curious to see what will happen to Rick Pitino and Roy Williams, if anything?
Quote from: paultzman on March 16, 2016, 10:45:29 AMQuote from: Foad on March 15, 2016, 05:04:18 PMQuote from: WillieG on March 13, 2016, 07:54:53 PMI don't see why this wouldn't make anybody furious. It does not make me furious because I have a woman and a bong and a bottle of Ketel One. Okay, half a bottle. But tomorrow I'll have a full bottle. But that's just the circle of life.I agree with you re SH. Probably they cheated. In the same way that DoOk cheated getting Boozer and Duhon and whoever else. And the same way that all those other program cheated getting all those other recruits. It's your outrage that is hard to understand. This is the way college BB works. Larry Brown won a NC hiring Danny Manning's father. There's a long list. This shit happens. Which is why this selective outrage is misplaced. If Willard hired Tiny to get Whitehead and that resulted in Lavin getting fired they should hand Willard's jersey in the rafters in Carnesecca Arena. Agree & not too many high major programs don't cheat. The system is what it is. But Paultz, don't you think that's all the more reason to come down on the blue bloods if they get found out. Brown, Boeheim, Calhoun, Williams at UNC. The blue bloods. They have lucrative contracts with the world wide sports leader, and they are sort of being protected from a public relations standpoint. Any school should be punished.
Quote from: Foad on March 15, 2016, 05:04:18 PMQuote from: WillieG on March 13, 2016, 07:54:53 PMI don't see why this wouldn't make anybody furious. It does not make me furious because I have a woman and a bong and a bottle of Ketel One. Okay, half a bottle. But tomorrow I'll have a full bottle. But that's just the circle of life.I agree with you re SH. Probably they cheated. In the same way that DoOk cheated getting Boozer and Duhon and whoever else. And the same way that all those other program cheated getting all those other recruits. It's your outrage that is hard to understand. This is the way college BB works. Larry Brown won a NC hiring Danny Manning's father. There's a long list. This shit happens. Which is why this selective outrage is misplaced. If Willard hired Tiny to get Whitehead and that resulted in Lavin getting fired they should hand Willard's jersey in the rafters in Carnesecca Arena. Agree & not too many high major programs don't cheat. The system is what it is.
Quote from: WillieG on March 13, 2016, 07:54:53 PMI don't see why this wouldn't make anybody furious. It does not make me furious because I have a woman and a bong and a bottle of Ketel One. Okay, half a bottle. But tomorrow I'll have a full bottle. But that's just the circle of life.I agree with you re SH. Probably they cheated. In the same way that DoOk cheated getting Boozer and Duhon and whoever else. And the same way that all those other program cheated getting all those other recruits. It's your outrage that is hard to understand. This is the way college BB works. Larry Brown won a NC hiring Danny Manning's father. There's a long list. This shit happens. Which is why this selective outrage is misplaced. If Willard hired Tiny to get Whitehead and that resulted in Lavin getting fired they should hand Willard's jersey in the rafters in Carnesecca Arena.
I don't see why this wouldn't make anybody furious.
Quote from: yankcranker on March 16, 2016, 06:34:46 PMQuote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 06:18:18 PMQuote from: TRabinowitz on March 16, 2016, 11:46:44 AMSJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight MeikleAlso remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcriptAnd when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitmentSo those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches. Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program. If you can show me the rule that prohibits coaches from recruiting more then one player from a high school or JUCO school, I will agree with you. Otherwise I will say you shouldn't have posted that, because it seems to suggest it is illegal when it most certainly isn't. Why did you even bring it up? It's not against the rules.Nor is it against the rules to hire a HS coach as an assistant so the entire conversation must be moot. Yankcranker, you must have come late to the discussion. Redslope was kind enough to post the rule in the middle of page 4 of this thread, though unfortunately he misread. It is bylaw 11.4.1.1. It prohibits " the contract from being contingent on the commitment of the [recruit]". Unless your argument is that it was not a package deal. It was widely reported to be a package deal eight months before the job opening was even posted on their website. Journalists were just not aware of bylaw11.4.1.1. Unless your view is it wasn't a package deal, I don't understand you saying the point is moot.
Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 06:18:18 PMQuote from: TRabinowitz on March 16, 2016, 11:46:44 AMSJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight MeikleAlso remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcriptAnd when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitmentSo those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches. Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program. If you can show me the rule that prohibits coaches from recruiting more then one player from a high school or JUCO school, I will agree with you. Otherwise I will say you shouldn't have posted that, because it seems to suggest it is illegal when it most certainly isn't. Why did you even bring it up? It's not against the rules.Nor is it against the rules to hire a HS coach as an assistant so the entire conversation must be moot.
Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 10:14:24 PMQuote from: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2016, 08:51:07 PMWillie G, can you make your point in 3 sentences or less? What is this Twitter? Actually I think twitter now allows you to make longer posts.This post was even too long
Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2016, 08:51:07 PMWillie G, can you make your point in 3 sentences or less? What is this Twitter? Actually I think twitter now allows you to make longer posts.
Willie G, can you make your point in 3 sentences or less?
Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 06:18:18 PMQuote from: TRabinowitz on March 16, 2016, 11:46:44 AMSJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight MeikleAlso remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcriptAnd when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitmentSo those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches. Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program. If you can show me the rule that prohibits coaches from recruiting more then one player from a high school or JUCO school, I will agree with you. Otherwise I will say you shouldn't have posted that, because it seems to suggest it is illegal when it most certainly isn't. Why did you even bring it up? It's not against the rules.You're saying one thing isn't against the rules while the thing you're arguing against isn't illegal either.
Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2016, 10:22:06 PMQuote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 10:14:24 PMQuote from: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2016, 08:51:07 PMWillie G, can you make your point in 3 sentences or less? What is this Twitter? Actually I think twitter now allows you to make longer posts.This post was even too long Stay off the board.
Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 07:17:00 PMQuote from: yankcranker on March 16, 2016, 06:34:46 PMQuote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 06:18:18 PMQuote from: TRabinowitz on March 16, 2016, 11:46:44 AMSJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight MeikleAlso remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcriptAnd when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitmentSo those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches. Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program. If you can show me the rule that prohibits coaches from recruiting more then one player from a high school or JUCO school, I will agree with you. Otherwise I will say you shouldn't have posted that, because it seems to suggest it is illegal when it most certainly isn't. Why did you even bring it up? It's not against the rules.Nor is it against the rules to hire a HS coach as an assistant so the entire conversation must be moot. Yankcranker, you must have come late to the discussion. Redslope was kind enough to post the rule in the middle of page 4 of this thread, though unfortunately he misread. It is bylaw 11.4.1.1. It prohibits " the contract from being contingent on the commitment of the [recruit]". Unless your argument is that it was not a package deal. It was widely reported to be a package deal eight months before the job opening was even posted on their website. Journalists were just not aware of bylaw11.4.1.1. Unless your view is it wasn't a package deal, I don't understand you saying the point is moot.It wasn't in Tiny's contract that Isaiah Whitehead will sign a LOI. Just as St. John's recruited Max Hooper in the hopes to land JaKarr Sampson. There was a chance that one wouldn't lead to the other but you had a good idea it would solidify things.
Glasses houses indeed, as Theo said. Time to end the conversation here, Willie
Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 10:31:00 PMQuote from: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2016, 10:22:06 PMQuote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 10:14:24 PMQuote from: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2016, 08:51:07 PMWillie G, can you make your point in 3 sentences or less? What is this Twitter? Actually I think twitter now allows you to make longer posts.This post was even too long Stay off the board. I've been seriously considering that
Why even continue to argue? He won't change his mind.
Quote from: simplyred on March 16, 2016, 10:51:06 PMQuote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 10:31:00 PMQuote from: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2016, 10:22:06 PMQuote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 10:14:24 PMQuote from: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2016, 08:51:07 PMWillie G, can you make your point in 3 sentences or less? What is this Twitter? Actually I think twitter now allows you to make longer posts.This post was even too long Stay off the board. I've been seriously considering that You were nice enough to post the rule. I just wish you read it more carefully. Would have saved a lot of trouble. Massive post you typed. It must have taken a lot of time. It was obnoxious too. Should have read the rule more carefully when you posted it.
That's about 16,000 posts too many. Wait a minute. Sixteen thousand posts? And you're an Iona fan. . . . . . I'll just say this. In keeping with board rules, stop attacking. Say something substantive.
Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 07:55:55 PMQuote from: yankcranker on March 16, 2016, 07:45:29 PMWhat's not so simple is to prove it, even if we all know it's the case. Tiny wasn't hired until a year after IW signed for a reason. Now you're talking. This is the conversation I originally thought we'd have. What I had said was that you can't prove it in a concrete way unless the school was stupid enough to write the contingency into the contract. Or unless you have them on tape saying we'll hire you if he comes here. But the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. The NCAA has a lower standard of proof then a court of law. They can disallow a kids SAT score if they think it is too high. Could the kid be prosecuted for fraud? No way, unless they caught him red handed. It's a different standard of proof. Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 07:55:55 PMQuote from: yankcranker on March 16, 2016, 07:45:29 PMWhat's not so simple is to prove it, even if we all know it's the case. Tiny wasn't hired until a year after IW signed for a reason. Now you're talking. This is the conversation I originally thought we'd have. What I had said was that you can't prove it in a concrete way unless the school was stupid enough to write the contingency into the contract. Or unless you have them on tape saying we'll hire you if he comes here. But the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. The NCAA has a lower standard of proof then a court of law. They can disallow a kids SAT score if they think it is too high. Could the kid be prosecuted for fraud? No way, unless they caught him red handed. It's a different standard of proof. The NCAA could have disallowed the recruitment./quote]But the NCAA didn't disallow it, so case closed. Right?? I can't stop people from posting here Pete. I respond. Oh wait a minute. If I don't respond maybe they'll stop.
Quote from: yankcranker on March 16, 2016, 07:45:29 PMWhat's not so simple is to prove it, even if we all know it's the case. Tiny wasn't hired until a year after IW signed for a reason. Now you're talking. This is the conversation I originally thought we'd have. What I had said was that you can't prove it in a concrete way unless the school was stupid enough to write the contingency into the contract. Or unless you have them on tape saying we'll hire you if he comes here. But the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. The NCAA has a lower standard of proof then a court of law. They can disallow a kids SAT score if they think it is too high. Could the kid be prosecuted for fraud? No way, unless they caught him red handed. It's a different standard of proof. Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 07:55:55 PMQuote from: yankcranker on March 16, 2016, 07:45:29 PMWhat's not so simple is to prove it, even if we all know it's the case. Tiny wasn't hired until a year after IW signed for a reason. Now you're talking. This is the conversation I originally thought we'd have. What I had said was that you can't prove it in a concrete way unless the school was stupid enough to write the contingency into the contract. Or unless you have them on tape saying we'll hire you if he comes here. But the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. The NCAA has a lower standard of proof then a court of law. They can disallow a kids SAT score if they think it is too high. Could the kid be prosecuted for fraud? No way, unless they caught him red handed. It's a different standard of proof. The NCAA could have disallowed the recruitment./quote]But the NCAA didn't disallow it, so case closed. Right??
What's not so simple is to prove it, even if we all know it's the case. Tiny wasn't hired until a year after IW signed for a reason.
Quote from: yankcranker on March 16, 2016, 07:45:29 PMWhat's not so simple is to prove it, even if we all know it's the case. Tiny wasn't hired until a year after IW signed for a reason. Now you're talking. This is the conversation I originally thought we'd have. What I had said was that you can't prove it in a concrete way unless the school was stupid enough to write the contingency into the contract. Or unless you have them on tape saying we'll hire you if he comes here. But the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. The NCAA has a lower standard of proof then a court of law. They can disallow a kids SAT score if they think it is too high. Could the kid be prosecuted for fraud? No way, unless they caught him red handed. It's a different standard of proof. The NCAA could have disallowed the recruitment.
Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 11:35:47 PMThat's about 16,000 posts too many. Wait a minute. Sixteen thousand posts? And you're an Iona fan. . . . . . I'll just say this. In keeping with board rules, stop attacking. Say something substantive.2pm on TBS tomorrow. Enjoy
This has gotten absurd. It would be illegal if something illegal happened. The recruit was not contingent on the coach. Not in the contract. Anything else is heresay. Let's move on.
Quote from: stjohnnie75 on March 16, 2016, 10:53:59 PMWhy even continue to argue? He won't change his mind. I could say the same thing about you. Will you change your mind? Tell me why you don't think Willard didn't break 11.4.1.1. I was asked to cite the rule. I did it. Tell me why you don't think he broke it? Or don't make any more posts.