Who Transfers?

Quote from: Scheppy on March 14, 2016, 06:23:47 PM

Paultzman/Moose"

When they first hired Matt and Slice we were suppose to get Herron and Rowan struck out on both.

This year struck out on Aldkins and Maker.

Now the big recruits we are going after is a 5th year grad student from Arkansas State

Are you disappointed in how the recruiting is turning out from five star recruits to a grad student and a transfer probably from some hi profile school like Delaware

Who would be are recruit next year I am sure they will strike out with Tucker.

Say what you want about Lavin when he put his mind to it he was a great finisher the one big recruit he couldn't finish was Brisco and nobody in College basketball could compete with Coach Cal in recruiting

It beginning to look like we might have been better off keeping Lavin and tell him not to be so lazy.

Sorry I am just disappointed in the type of recruits they are now going after.

Is there any hope for next year to get a real impact recruit

I know the post was for Paultz and Moose but I couldn't just let it go. You expect the staff to land 5 star guys after being on the job less then a year and having a roster of 3 players left over that won 8 games? that's some pretty insane expectations. If you wana criticize the game planning and in game coaching okay that might be reasonable but to question the recruiting when we have #1 class in the conference coming in because we haven't landed any 5 star players is crazy. What 5 star players did Lavin land? Give this staff time, you are ready to give up without the staff even having time to build anything. These schools have been on some of these kids for years and we were playing catchup. We are involved with a lot of high level kids for 2017 and 2018. We aren't Kentucky or Kansas and land multiple 5 star players per year. We have 3 impact recruits coming in next season from all account and more will come.

Felix, CJ, CO, Sheed, Adonis, Amar (BSamp was committed), table was set for Lovett, Mussini, and Yakwe. Additionally recruiting pipeline  at Our Savior and Europe was being used.  Must also credit holdover GA Luca for Europe connect too.  I know alot of you hate CO and Sheed for being prima donas and glad they were gone but one cannot question their talent.   Its a separate discussion to debate the merits of them staying but it doesnt change the fact that they were there. Call it like it is-Mullin wanted to establish program in his own image which is fair and also some seeds Lav left helped him with that with the exception of  Durand, Sima, and Ellison.  Btw i have talked with Ron and evidently he is good friends with Marco and told him to come here-yet another seed (whether you all like it or not)

As for game planning and coaching you are right on.  Mullin needs an experienced Xs and Os guy in Dunlap mold if we even want to dream of going far in tournament when its our time. And yes kudos to Mullin for the impact players for next year now lets see how they play together. No one can know the answer to this yet.

Quote from: Wods317 on March 14, 2016, 06:39:05 PM

Quote from: Scheppy on March 14, 2016, 06:23:47 PM

Paultzman/Moose"

When they first hired Matt and Slice we were suppose to get Herron and Rowan struck out on both.

This year struck out on Aldkins and Maker.

Now the big recruits we are going after is a 5th year grad student from Arkansas State

Are you disappointed in how the recruiting is turning out from five star recruits to a grad student and a transfer probably from some hi profile school like Delaware

Who would be are recruit next year I am sure they will strike out with Tucker.

Say what you want about Lavin when he put his mind to it he was a great finisher the one big recruit he couldn't finish was Brisco and nobody in College basketball could compete with Coach Cal in recruiting

It beginning to look like we might have been better off keeping Lavin and tell him not to be so lazy.

Sorry I am just disappointed in the type of recruits they are now going after.

Is there any hope for next year to get a real impact recruit

I know the post was for Paultz and Moose but I couldn't just let it go. You expect the staff to land 5 star guys after being on the job less then a year and having a roster of 3 players left over that won 8 games? that's some pretty insane expectations. If you wana criticize the game planning and in game coaching okay that might be reasonable but to question the recruiting when we have #1 class in the conference coming in because we haven't landed any 5 star players is crazy. What 5 star players did Lavin land? Give this staff time, you are ready to give up without the staff even having time to build anything. These schools have been on some of these kids for years and we were playing catchup. We are involved with a lot of high level kids for 2017 and 2018. We aren't Kentucky or Kansas and land multiple 5 star players per year. We have 3 impact recruits coming in next season from all account and more will come.

Felix, CJ, CO, Sheed, Adonis, Amar (BSamp was committed), table was set for Lovett, Mussini, and Yakwe. Additionally recruiting pipeline  at Our Savior and Europe was being used.  Must also credit holdover GA Luca for Europe connect too.  I know alot of you hate CO and Sheed for being prima donas and glad they were gone but one cannot question their talent.   Its a separate discussion to debate the merits of them staying but it doesnt change the fact that they were there. Call it like it is-Mullin wanted to establish program in his own image which is fair and also some seeds Lav left helped him with that with the exception of Ron, Durand, Sima, and Ellison.  Btw i have talked with Ron and evidently he is good friends with Marco and told him to come here-yet another seed (whether you all like it or not)

As for game planning and coaching you are right on.  Mullin needs an experienced Xs and Os guy in Dunlap mold if we even want to dream of going far in tournament when its our time. And yes kudos to Mullin for the impact players for next year now lets see how they play together. No one can know the answer to this yet.

Lavin wasn't fired because he couldn't recruit. I don't think anyone doubts that his team would have done a better job than this sorry lot. The problem was that he had no control over his program. We'll probably have a pretty idea by the middle of next season what we have with the new staff. So far, they've accomplished nothing, but don't forget, they just got here.

Quote from: Wods317 on March 14, 2016, 06:39:05 PM

Quote from: Scheppy on March 14, 2016, 06:23:47 PM

Paultzman/Moose"

When they first hired Matt and Slice we were suppose to get Herron and Rowan struck out on both.

This year struck out on Aldkins and Maker.

Now the big recruits we are going after is a 5th year grad student from Arkansas State

Are you disappointed in how the recruiting is turning out from five star recruits to a grad student and a transfer probably from some hi profile school like Delaware

Who would be are recruit next year I am sure they will strike out with Tucker.

Say what you want about Lavin when he put his mind to it he was a great finisher the one big recruit he couldn't finish was Brisco and nobody in College basketball could compete with Coach Cal in recruiting

It beginning to look like we might have been better off keeping Lavin and tell him not to be so lazy.

Sorry I am just disappointed in the type of recruits they are now going after.

Is there any hope for next year to get a real impact recruit

I know the post was for Paultz and Moose but I couldn't just let it go. You expect the staff to land 5 star guys after being on the job less then a year and having a roster of 3 players left over that won 8 games? that's some pretty insane expectations. If you wana criticize the game planning and in game coaching okay that might be reasonable but to question the recruiting when we have #1 class in the conference coming in because we haven't landed any 5 star players is crazy. What 5 star players did Lavin land? Give this staff time, you are ready to give up without the staff even having time to build anything. These schools have been on some of these kids for years and we were playing catchup. We are involved with a lot of high level kids for 2017 and 2018. We aren't Kentucky or Kansas and land multiple 5 star players per year. We have 3 impact recruits coming in next season from all account and more will come.

Felix, CJ, CO, Sheed, Adonis, Amar (BSamp was committed), table was set for Lovett, Mussini, and Yakwe. Additionally recruiting pipeline  at Our Savior and Europe was being used.  Must also credit holdover GA Luca for Europe connect too.  I know alot of you hate CO and Sheed for being prima donas and glad they were gone but one cannot question their talent.   Its a separate discussion to debate the merits of them staying but it doesnt change the fact that they were there. Call it like it is-Mullin wanted to establish program in his own image which is fair and also some seeds Lav left helped him with that with the exception of  Durand, Sima, and Ellison.  Btw i have talked with Ron and evidently he is good friends with Marco and told him to come here-yet another seed (whether you all like it or not)

As for game planning and coaching you are right on.  Mullin needs an experienced Xs and Os guy in Dunlap mold if we even want to dream of going far in tournament when its our time. And yes kudos to Mullin for the impact players for next year now lets see how they play together. No one can know the answer to this yet.

Who said anything bad about lavins recruiting in this whole thread? Only thing I said was when did he get five star players like the other poster was insinuating. He didn't get them and that's not a knock on him. He's a very good recruiter. Let's please not turn his into another Lavin thread. Let's talk about this current coaching staff and how they recruit.

Lavin wasn't fired because he couldn't recruit. I don't think anyone doubts that his team would have done a better job than this sorry lot. The problem was that he had no control over his program. We'll probably have a pretty idea by the middle of next season what we have with the new staff. So far, they've accomplished nothing, but don't forget, they just got here.
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That is fair I just wish that Mullin would spend money on an ace experienced Xs and Os guys to make sure the group next year isnt wasted and beyond.  St. Jean will prob be great someday but honestly he is as inexperienced as Mullin with coaching.  He should just be regular assistant that can be promoted someday after he learns the ropes more. Slice and Matt are strictly recruiters. We need someone like Dunlap to get the best out of the young talented group.

Lavin wasn't fired because he couldn't recruit. I don't think anyone doubts that his team would have done a better job than this sorry lot. The problem was that he had no control over his program. We'll probably have a pretty idea by the middle of next season what we have with the new staff. So far, they've accomplished nothing, but don't forget, they just got here.

That is fair I just wish that Mullin would spend money on an ace experienced Xs and Os guys to make sure the group next year isnt wasted and beyond.  St. Jean will prob be great someday but honestly he is as inexperienced as Mullin with coaching.  He should just be regular assistant that can be promoted someday after he learns the ropes more. Slice and Matt are strictly recruiters. We need someone like Dunlap to get the best out of the young talented group.
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Mullin's starting small forward might as well have been a 55 year old white guy from Long Beach with a beer gut. Let's see how he does when there are more players available than the shitty ones we have now. We don't have BE starters. If they add BE starters to next year's team, it will not be a recognizable team. Better players make better coaches.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on March 14, 2016, 05:47:32 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 14, 2016, 04:35:06 PM

Quote from: boo3 on March 14, 2016, 04:11:08 PM

One would think the issue would have to be pretty severe for Slice to bail...not getting along with a coworker ( unless it's the head guy ( Mullin) ) is par for the course. 

Cushy job at home for a nice paycheck?  Seems like it would take more than competiveness to drive him away. 

If true and if it happens, looks bad for Mullin.  He put this thing together. 

Maybe he misses Kentucky? Some people like that shit.

Why do you dislike all parts of the country that aren't New York so much?

I think most of the country is made up of simpletons. The further away you go from NY, the more you'll find. There is a reason why Donald Trump is so popular in this country.

Can a simpleton call others simpletons? or is that kind of like an oxynice person?   

Paultzman/Moose"

When they first hired Matt and Slice we were suppose to get Herron and Rowan struck out on both.

This year struck out on Aldkins and Maker.

Now the big recruits we are going after is a 5th year grad student from Arkansas State

Are you disappointed in how the recruiting is turning out from five star recruits to a grad student and a transfer probably from some hi profile school like Delaware

Who would be are recruit next year I am sure they will strike out with Tucker.

Say what you want about Lavin when he put his mind to it he was a great finisher the one big recruit he couldn't finish was Brisco and nobody in College basketball could compete with Coach Cal in recruiting

It beginning to look like we might have been better off keeping Lavin and tell him not to be so lazy.

Sorry I am just disappointed in the type of recruits they are now going after.

Is there any hope for next year to get a real impact recruit

What are the types of recruits they are now going after?  They are going after Tucker (who according to you we are not going to get) They are going after a fair amount of top 100 guys (no chance there either I suppose).  So, yeah, no hope for next year, probably going to sign 3 or 4 5th year seniors next year

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on March 14, 2016, 05:47:32 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 14, 2016, 04:35:06 PM

Quote from: boo3 on March 14, 2016, 04:11:08 PM

One would think the issue would have to be pretty severe for Slice to bail...not getting along with a coworker ( unless it's the head guy ( Mullin) ) is par for the course. 

Cushy job at home for a nice paycheck?  Seems like it would take more than competiveness to drive him away. 

If true and if it happens, looks bad for Mullin.  He put this thing together. 

Maybe he misses Kentucky? Some people like that shit.

Why do you dislike all parts of the country that aren't New York so much?

I think most of the country is made up of simpletons. The further away you go from NY, the more you'll find. There is a reason why Donald Trump is so popular in this country.

Interesting.  I'm living in Portsmouth NH, and while its several hours from NYC, definitely not drinking duff here and I'm still trying to find a place for candlestick bowling...  Northeast including New England is almost certainly not a region that Poison is referring to...

Fellas, we have two of the best recruiting assistants in the country.  We will bring in big talent.  This is not the prior group.  I expect them to rub elbows at times.  That's a good sign IMO.   Let Slice and Abdelmassih do their jobs.  SJU fans haven't seen recruiters as good as these two in the last few decades if ever.  These guys have killer instinct that very few have and both love Mullin and St. John's.  I am amazed at the skepticism.  We won't do better than Slice and Abdelmassih... Period.  Let's give them a few years to build the relationships required, and no worries a about J.Tucker..  There are better out there, although Hamadou Diallo just signed with the Nike RENs...

Quote from: Wods317 on March 14, 2016, 06:39:05 PM

Quote from: Scheppy on March 14, 2016, 06:23:47 PM

Paultzman/Moose"

When they first hired Matt and Slice we were suppose to get Herron and Rowan struck out on both.

This year struck out on Aldkins and Maker.

Now the big recruits we are going after is a 5th year grad student from Arkansas State

Are you disappointed in how the recruiting is turning out from five star recruits to a grad student and a transfer probably from some hi profile school like Delaware

Who would be are recruit next year I am sure they will strike out with Tucker.

Say what you want about Lavin when he put his mind to it he was a great finisher the one big recruit he couldn't finish was Brisco and nobody in College basketball could compete with Coach Cal in recruiting

It beginning to look like we might have been better off keeping Lavin and tell him not to be so lazy.

Sorry I am just disappointed in the type of recruits they are now going after.

Is there any hope for next year to get a real impact recruit

I know the post was for Paultz and Moose but I couldn't just let it go. You expect the staff to land 5 star guys after being on the job less then a year and having a roster of 3 players left over that won 8 games? that's some pretty insane expectations. If you wana criticize the game planning and in game coaching okay that might be reasonable but to question the recruiting when we have #1 class in the conference coming in because we haven't landed any 5 star players is crazy. What 5 star players did Lavin land? Give this staff time, you are ready to give up without the staff even having time to build anything. These schools have been on some of these kids for years and we were playing catchup. We are involved with a lot of high level kids for 2017 and 2018. We aren't Kentucky or Kansas and land multiple 5 star players per year. We have 3 impact recruits coming in next season from all account and more will come.

IMO, he's trolling folks.

That would almost make it understandable, but, sadly Dink I don't think he is...

Paultzman/Moose"

When they first hired Matt and Slice we were suppose to get Herron and Rowan struck out on both.

This year struck out on Aldkins and Maker.

Now the big recruits we are going after is a 5th year grad student from Arkansas State

Are you disappointed in how the recruiting is turning out from five star recruits to a grad student and a transfer probably from some hi profile school like Delaware

Who would be are recruit next year I am sure they will strike out with Tucker.

Say what you want about Lavin when he put his mind to it he was a great finisher the one big recruit he couldn't finish was Brisco and nobody in College basketball could compete with Coach Cal in recruiting

It beginning to look like we might have been better off keeping Lavin and tell him not to be so lazy.

Sorry I am just disappointed in the type of recruits they are now going after.

Is there any hope for next year to get a real impact recruit

we have a top 20 class coming in. recruiting is the least of our problems

Matt A is currently having a Twitter q &a and he was asked if slice is leaving due to a falling out between the two of them to which he responded :

"Falling out about where we are going to lunch?Social media is a hilarious platform. Good job askig the question tho!"

Sorry I don't know how to copy tweets from my phone. I guess what else would he say publicly but then again he doesn't need to acknowledge and respond to the question if he doesn't want to.

Yes, but I need him to though.

He could have said no....that would be a step to putting it to rest.  Not saying no..........

Non denial-denial.  Like Nixon's staff.  Doesn't sound like there's much there anymore. I wonder if the consigliere is advising CM on this.

As I made a point before, sometimes competitiveness and a bit of gamesmanship is good.  Neither guy with their salaries and their ties to Mullin and NYC is quitting.  If there is an issue it is extraneous to that issue.  I'm not worried about some competitiveness and arguments.  That's "keep it in the family" stuff.  Hopefully they do.  Both Slice and Abdelmassih are some of the best at their trade.  Together they make a more formidable team than divided.  Pretty sure it will work out...

Quote from: bellblvd on March 14, 2016, 02:34:39 PM

Quote from: Moose on March 14, 2016, 12:41:01 PM

Quote from: Wods317 on March 14, 2016, 12:27:25 PM

Quote from: hnk on March 14, 2016, 11:47:38 AM

He deflected the question....didn't really answer.

Every loves drama huh. He basically said the question was absurd and by saying they had a rift over lunch it's making fun of the absurdity of the rumor. I'm sure they clash every once in a while and have differing opinions but that's always Gona happen. There's no indication slice is going anywhere so might time to put this to bed unless we get some concrete info.

What type of concrete information would you like?

I'd like to hear the following: Slice went to Mullin and the administration and told them he wants out. Until that happens, all of this is nonsense.

Kind of like 75% of the posts on this site which are based on innuendo as well.  I hear so and so is leaning SJU.  I hear so and so is hurt. I hear so and so is lighting it up in practice.  It's really simple.  I wont post what I hear.   I wasn't aware of site rules about what could and couldnt be posted.

There are those who have a tendency to shoot the messenger.  You simply reported your current knowledge of the situation.  Please keep doing that.

Quote from: Poison on March 14, 2016, 06:28:30 PM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on March 14, 2016, 05:47:32 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 14, 2016, 04:35:06 PM

Quote from: boo3 on March 14, 2016, 04:11:08 PM

One would think the issue would have to be pretty severe for Slice to bail...not getting along with a coworker ( unless it's the head guy ( Mullin) ) is par for the course. 

Cushy job at home for a nice paycheck?  Seems like it would take more than competiveness to drive him away. 

If true and if it happens, looks bad for Mullin.  He put this thing together. 

Maybe he misses Kentucky? Some people like that shit.

Why do you dislike all parts of the country that aren't New York so much?

I think most of the country is made up of simpletons. The further away you go from NY, the more you'll find. There is a reason why Donald Trump is so popular in this country.

Can a simpleton call others simpletons? or is that kind of like an oxynice person?   

Good one Pete88, who lives in Florida.

Quote from: friendofjohnnie on March 14, 2016, 09:33:51 PM

Quote from: Wods317 on March 14, 2016, 06:39:05 PM

Quote from: Scheppy on March 14, 2016, 06:23:47 PM

Paultzman/Moose"

When they first hired Matt and Slice we were suppose to get Herron and Rowan struck out on both.

This year struck out on Aldkins and Maker.

Now the big recruits we are going after is a 5th year grad student from Arkansas State

Are you disappointed in how the recruiting is turning out from five star recruits to a grad student and a transfer probably from some hi profile school like Delaware

Who would be are recruit next year I am sure they will strike out with Tucker.

Say what you want about Lavin when he put his mind to it he was a great finisher the one big recruit he couldn't finish was Brisco and nobody in College basketball could compete with Coach Cal in recruiting

It beginning to look like we might have been better off keeping Lavin and tell him not to be so lazy.

Sorry I am just disappointed in the type of recruits they are now going after.

Is there any hope for next year to get a real impact recruit

I know the post was for Paultz and Moose but I couldn't just let it go. You expect the staff to land 5 star guys after being on the job less then a year and having a roster of 3 players left over that won 8 games? that's some pretty insane expectations. If you wana criticize the game planning and in game coaching okay that might be reasonable but to question the recruiting when we have #1 class in the conference coming in because we haven't landed any 5 star players is crazy. What 5 star players did Lavin land? Give this staff time, you are ready to give up without the staff even having time to build anything. These schools have been on some of these kids for years and we were playing catchup. We are involved with a lot of high level kids for 2017 and 2018. We aren't Kentucky or Kansas and land multiple 5 star players per year. We have 3 impact recruits coming in next season from all account and more will come.

Felix, CJ, CO, Sheed, Adonis, Amar (BSamp was committed), table was set for Lovett, Mussini, and Yakwe. Additionally recruiting pipeline  at Our Savior and Europe was being used.  Must also credit holdover GA Luca for Europe connect too.  I know alot of you hate CO and Sheed for being prima donas and glad they were gone but one cannot question their talent.   Its a separate discussion to debate the merits of them staying but it doesnt change the fact that they were there. Call it like it is-Mullin wanted to establish program in his own image which is fair and also some seeds Lav left helped him with that with the exception of Ron, Durand, Sima, and Ellison.  Btw i have talked with Ron and evidently he is good friends with Marco and told him to come here-yet another seed (whether you all like it or not)

As for game planning and coaching you are right on.  Mullin needs an experienced Xs and Os guy in Dunlap mold if we even want to dream of going far in tournament when its our time. And yes kudos to Mullin for the impact players for next year now lets see how they play together. No one can know the answer to this yet.

Lavin wasn't fired because he couldn't recruit. I don't think anyone doubts that his team would have done a better job than this sorry lot. The problem was that he had no control over his program. We'll probably have a pretty idea by the middle of next season what we have with the new staff. So far, they've accomplished nothing, but don't forget, they just got here.

Poison I've got to disagree with you on that first point.
Part of the reason why he was fired was the shitty recruiting in his last two classes. 
No doubt he lacked control too.  And couldn't coach.
But if he lands Briscoe or Whitehead or Goven or Diallo, I think he'd still be here.
But instead he gave us Amar,  no transcript-Thomas and the bashbrothers-Delarosa. 
For all his faults he would still be here if he kept recruiting hard.  Imo at least.

Quote from: Scheppy on March 14, 2016, 06:23:47 PM

Paultzman/Moose"

When they first hired Matt and Slice we were suppose to get Herron and Rowan struck out on both.

This year struck out on Aldkins and Maker.

Now the big recruits we are going after is a 5th year grad student from Arkansas State

Are you disappointed in how the recruiting is turning out from five star recruits to a grad student and a transfer probably from some hi profile school like Delaware

Who would be are recruit next year I am sure they will strike out with Tucker.

Say what you want about Lavin when he put his mind to it he was a great finisher the one big recruit he couldn't finish was Brisco and nobody in College basketball could compete with Coach Cal in recruiting

It beginning to look like we might have been better off keeping Lavin and tell him not to be so lazy.

Sorry I am just disappointed in the type of recruits they are now going after.

Is there any hope for next year to get a real impact recruit

we have a top 20 class coming in. recruiting is the least of our problems

We won't know that until we see what we have. Ahmed and Freudenberg are more unknown than Ponds, Owens and Lovett.
The staff has gone all over the world to find players. If that's their vision, ok, but it needs to begin to come together next season. It doesn't have to be a breakout season, but the progress must be there, or this staff is going to appear unable to get it done here. That's the town we live in.

Quote from: Poison on March 14, 2016, 09:45:47 PM

Quote from: friendofjohnnie on March 14, 2016, 09:33:51 PM

Quote from: Wods317 on March 14, 2016, 06:39:05 PM

Quote from: Scheppy on March 14, 2016, 06:23:47 PM

Paultzman/Moose"

When they first hired Matt and Slice we were suppose to get Herron and Rowan struck out on both.

This year struck out on Aldkins and Maker.

Now the big recruits we are going after is a 5th year grad student from Arkansas State

Are you disappointed in how the recruiting is turning out from five star recruits to a grad student and a transfer probably from some hi profile school like Delaware

Who would be are recruit next year I am sure they will strike out with Tucker.

Say what you want about Lavin when he put his mind to it he was a great finisher the one big recruit he couldn't finish was Brisco and nobody in College basketball could compete with Coach Cal in recruiting

It beginning to look like we might have been better off keeping Lavin and tell him not to be so lazy.

Sorry I am just disappointed in the type of recruits they are now going after.

Is there any hope for next year to get a real impact recruit

I know the post was for Paultz and Moose but I couldn't just let it go. You expect the staff to land 5 star guys after being on the job less then a year and having a roster of 3 players left over that won 8 games? that's some pretty insane expectations. If you wana criticize the game planning and in game coaching okay that might be reasonable but to question the recruiting when we have #1 class in the conference coming in because we haven't landed any 5 star players is crazy. What 5 star players did Lavin land? Give this staff time, you are ready to give up without the staff even having time to build anything. These schools have been on some of these kids for years and we were playing catchup. We are involved with a lot of high level kids for 2017 and 2018. We aren't Kentucky or Kansas and land multiple 5 star players per year. We have 3 impact recruits coming in next season from all account and more will come.

Felix, CJ, CO, Sheed, Adonis, Amar (BSamp was committed), table was set for Lovett, Mussini, and Yakwe. Additionally recruiting pipeline  at Our Savior and Europe was being used.  Must also credit holdover GA Luca for Europe connect too.  I know alot of you hate CO and Sheed for being prima donas and glad they were gone but one cannot question their talent.   Its a separate discussion to debate the merits of them staying but it doesnt change the fact that they were there. Call it like it is-Mullin wanted to establish program in his own image which is fair and also some seeds Lav left helped him with that with the exception of Ron, Durand, Sima, and Ellison.  Btw i have talked with Ron and evidently he is good friends with Marco and told him to come here-yet another seed (whether you all like it or not)

As for game planning and coaching you are right on.  Mullin needs an experienced Xs and Os guy in Dunlap mold if we even want to dream of going far in tournament when its our time. And yes kudos to Mullin for the impact players for next year now lets see how they play together. No one can know the answer to this yet.

Lavin wasn't fired because he couldn't recruit. I don't think anyone doubts that his team would have done a better job than this sorry lot. The problem was that he had no control over his program. We'll probably have a pretty idea by the middle of next season what we have with the new staff. So far, they've accomplished nothing, but don't forget, they just got here.

Poison I've got to disagree with you on that first point.
Part of the reason why he was fired was the shitty recruiting in his last two classes. 
No doubt he lacked control too.  And couldn't coach.
But if he lands Briscoe or Whitehead or Goven or Diallo, I think he'd still be here.
But instead he gave us Amar,  no transcript-Thomas and the bashbrothers-Delarosa. 
For all his faults he would still be here if he kept recruiting hard.  Imo at least.

I hear ya, but I put Thomas and Adonis under the lack of control of your program category. Lavin can't be expected to uncover the WCC fake transcript scam. However, after Sanchez followed Pelle, Garret and Sampson, it became clear that this staff was careless. Maybe the university has a compliance department, and maybe they don't, but after it becomes a consistent a problem, it becomes clear that this more than bad luck. It's bad preparation.

But yes, I agree that Lavin and his staff were really phoning it in with recruits. Brandon Sampson couldn't get off the bench on a bad LSU team, so he probably wouldn't have changed our season very much here. (Although, he starts at the point for us)

Quote from: mjmaherjr on March 14, 2016, 10:45:48 PM

Quote from: Scheppy on March 14, 2016, 06:23:47 PM

Paultzman/Moose"

When they first hired Matt and Slice we were suppose to get Herron and Rowan struck out on both.

This year struck out on Aldkins and Maker.

Now the big recruits we are going after is a 5th year grad student from Arkansas State

Are you disappointed in how the recruiting is turning out from five star recruits to a grad student and a transfer probably from some hi profile school like Delaware

Who would be are recruit next year I am sure they will strike out with Tucker.

Say what you want about Lavin when he put his mind to it he was a great finisher the one big recruit he couldn't finish was Brisco and nobody in College basketball could compete with Coach Cal in recruiting

It beginning to look like we might have been better off keeping Lavin and tell him not to be so lazy.

Sorry I am just disappointed in the type of recruits they are now going after.

Is there any hope for next year to get a real impact recruit

we have a top 20 class coming in. recruiting is the least of our problems

We won't know that until we see what we have. Ahmed and Freudenberg are more unknown than Ponds, Owens and Lovett.
The staff has gone all over the world to find players. If that's their vision, ok, but it needs to begin to come together next season. It doesn't have to be a breakout season, but the progress must be there, or this staff is going to appear unable to get it done here. That's the town we live in.

Even for a troll, you need to check yourself with this Ahmed "unknown" and "invisible" nonsense.  Just because you chose not to do the 30 second google search to find out the info to watch the multiple games available on the internet with Hutchinson this year, doesn't mean he was invisible.  Just because you chose not to attend the JUCO showcase and all-star games, doesn't mean others haven't.  You sound ridiculous.  Yeah, Hutchison sucks with media, but he plays in the most media-friendly league in JUCO.

I'm guessing you missed his broadcasted tournament games last year, so here's a tip:  Ahmed plays Wednesday at 2:00 PM.  You can watch live on NJCAA TV at www.njcaa.org.  Every game of the tournament is available online for free.  If giving you a DVD of his past games and a link directly to his game Wednesday will shut you the f*ck up for a month, please PM me. 

Your act is old and it's draining as all hell, but trolling on Ahmed being invisible is like trolling porn message boards for Jenna Jamison not having enough content.