Quote from: Poison on December 24, 2011, 11:05:22 AMStith has been given opportunities to start. He's been given so many chances to perform. Cain was a backup. That wasn't a mistake. JB was a great point guard. And not much different than Erick Barkley. Not a fair comparison.Stith has shown us so little that it's hard to fight for his cause on any level. He needs to play better. That simple.Jason Buchanan was NOT a great point guard, was NOT in the same stratosphere as Erick Barkley and should NOT have been playing ahead of Cain.
Stith has been given opportunities to start. He's been given so many chances to perform. Cain was a backup. That wasn't a mistake. JB was a great point guard. And not much different than Erick Barkley. Not a fair comparison.Stith has shown us so little that it's hard to fight for his cause on any level. He needs to play better. That simple.
Cain wasn't ready to start the year we lost to Tulane. Mahoney won the Coach of the year award in 1993. The next year they took it back from him.
I loved Cain his senior year, but he turned the ball over constantly until then.JB brought it up, and he let 4 competent scorers go to work, and they did. And he held on the to the ball.
Quote from: Poison on December 26, 2011, 03:17:46 PMI loved Cain his senior year, but he turned the ball over constantly until then.JB brought it up, and he let 4 competent scorers go to work, and they did. And he held on the to the ball.ConstantlyTurned the ball over? Based on what, stats or your recollection? And your point about JB giving the ball to 4 competent scorers goes exactly to my point that Cain's senior year, playing with 2 competent scorers had 7.1 apg to JB's 6.6 the year before.
Quote from: section3 on December 26, 2011, 02:08:05 PMQuote from: Poison on December 24, 2011, 11:05:22 AMStith has been given opportunities to start. He's been given so many chances to perform. Cain was a backup. That wasn't a mistake. JB was a great point guard. And not much different than Erick Barkley. Not a fair comparison.Stith has shown us so little that it's hard to fight for his cause on any level. He needs to play better. That simple.Jason Buchanan was NOT a great point guard, was NOT in the same stratosphere as Erick Barkley and should NOT have been playing ahead of Cain.I rememberAl LoBalbo clearly stating Buchanan was a 2 and yet, to the best of my recollection he and Cain never once played together in the same backcourt. That was when Louie was beginning to lose it. He was so stuck in his ways he wouldn't even experiment in exhibition games. Cain would have made JB so much better it was a shame. At least Lavin takes chances like giving Hardy the ball and letting him take us to the dance. Norm stupidly made him split time with Paris who belonged on the floor full time. Coaching really matters. Now if only Dunlap would back off on that stupid zone........So tired of watching us get outgunned from three it's sickening.
Quote from: Section 9 on December 26, 2011, 03:57:19 PMQuote from: Poison on December 26, 2011, 03:17:46 PMI loved Cain his senior year, but he turned the ball over constantly until then.JB brought it up, and he let 4 competent scorers go to work, and they did. And he held on the to the ball.ConstantlyTurned the ball over? Based on what, stats or your recollection? And your point about JB giving the ball to 4 competent scorers goes exactly to my point that Cain's senior year, playing with 2 competent scorers had 7.1 apg to JB's 6.6 the year before.My recollection is that DC turned the ball over quite a bit frosh thru junior, but I dont got no stats since the redmencom got itself redone. I remember the crowd moanin sometime when DC came in the game to replace JB.
DC demonstrated potential in the years leading up to his senior year
Quote from: section3 on December 26, 2011, 05:59:02 PMDC demonstrated potential in the years leading up to his senior yearYeah...the potential to make the fans vomit. Cain was absolutely Horrible his first three seasons. No way Lou can be blamed for not playing him more. A Jackson/Moses situation this was not. Nobody could have seen the 180 degree turnaround he made in his senior year coming based on the first three. It would be akin to predicting Cedric's success offensively once he left Queens.Buchanon was a fine guard who played very well during his tenure here. He didn't have the best skin, however.
Cain's senior year was as good a season as a SJU point guard has ever had. The three previous years he was a disaster. That is what made his Senior season so remarkable. Anytime he came into the game the crowd would groan. Anyone who remembers anything good about his first 3 seasons is shelling out some big time revisionist history!
Quote from: carmineabbatiello on December 26, 2011, 06:15:32 PMQuote from: section3 on December 26, 2011, 05:59:02 PMDC demonstrated potential in the years leading up to his senior yearYeah...the potential to make the fans vomit. Cain was absolutely Horrible his first three seasons. No way Lou can be blamed for not playing him more. A Jackson/Moses situation this was not. Nobody could have seen the 180 degree turnaround he made in his senior year coming based on the first three. It would be akin to predicting Cedric's success offensively once he left Queens.Buchanon was a fine guard who played very well during his tenure here. He didn't have the best skin, however.Sorry but NEVER trying Cain and Buchanan in the same backcourt was just plain stupid. To insinuate that Cain underwent some sort of epiphany after junior year is almost as dumb. Everyone knew Lou felt "if you can't do it with seven...." and that's why he couldn't recruit any more when he left. Teams like Gtown were signing and playing 10-11 players at the time. That's when the game changed and Lou didn't. I believe he would have stayed if he had been flexible enough to smell the coffee. He's still at every game while the coach stays home. Ironic.