Duke Game Discussion

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Tha Kid

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Duke Game Discussion
« on: January 26, 2012, 01:23:46 PM »
Well since I have probably watched more DUKE than any of you, I figured I'd give you guys my thoughts.

Duke is a very good team, but they are not an elite team consistently --- not yet at least.  Their guard defense is the worst it has been in probably 15+ years, and offensively the flow is just not there.  I blame a lot of the reason for the lack of offensive flow (and the defense) on the fact that Rivers, Curry, and Dawkins are Duke's 3 main guards...yet none of them are true PGs, none of them are lockdown defenders, and although Rivers and Dawkins exhibit elite athleticism, they are lazy on D (Dawkins much more so than Rivers).  Duke operates best with Quin Cook (or Tyler Thornton) running the show if they are on, but both, ESPECIALLY Thornton, are liabilities offensively except for passing, and Thornton is undersized (though the best guard defender).  This results in a Duke team that struggles to decide whether defense is most impt. from the guards, or offense.  Doc Jr. is coming along is passing a lot better than he was originally (he was a 1 man show at various times earlier in the year), so by year's end I expect the Duke offense to be run much more smoothly with Austin at PG, but for Saturday, who knows.  That being said, our zone D can force Austin into a lot of turnovers, goading him into drives/shots that arent there, but we HAVE to be careful so as not to give Curry and ESPECIALLY Andre Dawkins open looks.  They will drain 3s all day if they are open, but if they are contested, it could be their undoing.  Our D is KEY and cannot let up.

Inside Duke has a beast, a good all around player, and a superb athlete.  Mason Plumlee is going to get his against us.  No two ways about it.  I predict he'll go for over 20+ and over 10+, as he has done for many teams.  We really need Gift to stay out of foul trouble because if Harkless has to guard Mason, that could get dangerous (and get Moe in foul trouble).  Mason has developed some nice basic post moves that he uses effectively, and is a very good passer from the post.   Miles is a fantastic athlete, and is great at dunking and jumping --- but does not translate jumping into rebounding.  He has no handle, and is basically going to finish anything where he has a semi clear path at the rim, and probably not do anything otherwise.  Ryan Kelly is an excellent player with great skills and basketball sense, but needs to get stronger and often plays far too passive.  He is somewhat of an X factor, if Ryan is playing well in addition to Mason and one of the guards, Duke is in a sweet spot and is unlikely to lose.  I think our defense will be able to keep Ryan somewhat in check, but if we go with the zone, he is a threat to hit open 3s.

From an offensive perspective, Duke plays man 99% of the time so I expect them to on Saturday (though K would be smart to throw a little (or a lot) zone against us.  This will be great for D'Angelo and Phil who shouldnt have too much trouble defensively from the Duke guards.  Gift could do well, especially if Mason gets in foul trouble.  Mason plays solid D, and both him and Plumlee can elevate and block shots.  If the Plumlees are in foul trouble, that would be huge for GIft down low.  Moe should have his way with Kelly, and possibly Miles as well.

I think we will play surprisingly well against Duke, but for the freshmen's first time in Cameron I expect there to be a point in the game where Duke and the crowd is too much for us.  It could happen right away, it could happen at the end of the first half, or it could happen midway throguh the second.  Those are the 3 key times that I see the crowd potentially overwhelming us.  These kids are tough, but no one is prepared for Cameron until they have been there.

I predict Duke wins 69-58, but the game is often between 5-15 points.  A solid effort by our guys, especially given the conditions, but not a blow out by any means.  D'Angelo should do well.  The key is getting 2 others to join him.  We need 2 of Phil, Moe, and Gift to have big games for us.  All have been inconsistent, and my guess is 1 of the other 3 REALLY shows up, 1 is just ok, and 1 we complain about after.

Very excited for the game --- my favorite of the year.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 11:47:50 PM by Dave »
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Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2012, 01:39:39 PM »
Good job kid. I think that blonde haired Plumlee is a pro, great athlete and he gets after it hard. Rivers' game is more suited for NBA, he can get to the rack. But he doesnt seem like a good fit at Duke? Ryan Kelly, that ugly bastard, is a silent killer. He'll drop 20 and you wont even know it

Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2012, 01:51:51 PM »
I'm predicting a 15 pt. beat-down.

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Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2012, 02:14:43 PM »
If they keep it within two touchdowns its a good day.
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Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2012, 02:18:40 PM »
Got to think Duke wants to avenge the beating we ave them last year.

Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2012, 02:23:58 PM »
Got to think Duke wants to avenge the beating we ave them last year.

F them. Curry and Dawkins are soft. Get in their grill and roughhouse them in the beginning of the game

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Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2012, 02:48:40 PM »
Just looked it up:
Duke is shooting 40% from 3pt.... and they take 20 a game.   

And we're playing at Cameron with 5 freshmen. 



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Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2012, 02:50:06 PM »
This has been said before, but my prediction is pain.

Hard to imagine a worse match up for us than UK or Syracuse... but this is up there.

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Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2012, 03:10:39 PM »
This has been said before, but my prediction is pain.

Hard to imagine a worse match up for us than UK or Syracuse... but this is up there.

These are no ordinary freshman playing in Cameron. They're battle tested and playing with a lot of confidence right now. Yes, I know we're out gunned, Duke has 4 guys on their team 6'10 or taller, and they shoot the hell out of the 3, but as the Kid said, our guards should be able to score against their guards, and Moe will presumably get his.  If GG has a big game rebounding and defending, and Amir and Dom continue to perform at the level they played at against WVA, who knows?  I am not predicting a resounding win this time, but I wouldn't be shocked if we kept it close until the buzzer.

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Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2012, 03:15:47 PM »
I'm predicting Harkless and Harrison pick up two fouls each in the first 4 minutes and we're doomed.


Playing AT Duke with a 6 man (+stith) rotation? lol....the foul situation is going to be hilarious.

Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2012, 03:30:15 PM »
I'm predicting Harkless and Harrison pick up two fouls each in the first 4 minutes and we're doomed.


Playing AT Duke with a 6 man (+stith) rotation? lol....the foul situation is going to be hilarious.

Good call, deinitely Harrison. If it starts getting ugly, hes fouling. Kid has some heart

Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2012, 04:12:08 PM »
We should be about 18 point dogs.  Hanging close would be impressive.

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Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2012, 04:24:59 PM »
You guys are overrating Duke.  Duke is very very good, but not as solid and consistent as you would expect out of a top 10 team right now.  They may be dominant by year's end, but right now I see them as a round of 32/sweet 16 team.
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Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2012, 04:30:18 PM »
You guys are overrating Duke.  Duke is very very good, but not as solid and consistent as you would expect out of a top 10 team right now.  They may be dominant by year's end, but right now I see them as a round of 32/sweet 16 team.

Nah no way, this is a 30 point loss. They have 2 guards who can shoot and athletes dow low. Not to mention Kelly who can kill ya inside and out

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Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 04:31:41 PM »
Thanks Kid--question?  What's up with Cook?  Is he hurt as he didn't play against Terps.


also agree with others regarding calls at Cameron.  We may finally get to see our walk ons play the way the whistle blows down there (or where ever Duke plays) as it will be 5 on 8

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Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2012, 04:35:28 PM »
You guys are overrating Duke.  Duke is very very good, but not as solid and consistent as you would expect out of a top 10 team right now.  They may be dominant by year's end, but right now I see them as a round of 32/sweet 16 team.

Nah no way, this is a 30 point loss. They have 2 guards who can shoot and athletes dow low. Not to mention Kelly who can kill ya inside and out

We'll see Baldi.  You also predicted we would lose by 7 to WVA... 

Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2012, 05:02:13 PM »
You guys are overrating Duke.  Duke is very very good, but not as solid and consistent as you would expect out of a top 10 team right now.  They may be dominant by year's end, but right now I see them as a round of 32/sweet 16 team.

Nah no way, this is a 30 point loss. They have 2 guards who can shoot and athletes dow low. Not to mention Kelly who can kill ya inside and out

We'll see Baldi.  You also predicted we would lose by 7 to WVA... 

Go look at my over/under thread. Duke is a hostile evironment for 6 rookies

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Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2012, 06:14:12 PM »
You guys are overrating Duke.  Duke is very very good, but not as solid and consistent as you would expect out of a top 10 team right now.  They may be dominant by year's end, but right now I see them as a round of 32/sweet 16 team.

Nah no way, this is a 30 point loss. They have 2 guards who can shoot and athletes dow low. Not to mention Kelly who can kill ya inside and out

We'll see Baldi.  You also predicted we would lose by 7 to WVA... 

Go look at my over/under thread. Duke is a hostile evironment for 6 rookies

OK, so you originally predicted we'd beat WVA, only to flip flop before game time.  1/2 credit for that. 

I agree with you.  Cameron is one of the best home court advantages in CBB, and we're probably going to lose , but I don't think we will get destroyed like the KY or UConn games. 

Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2012, 06:17:25 PM »
You guys are overrating Duke.  Duke is very very good, but not as solid and consistent as you would expect out of a top 10 team right now.  They may be dominant by year's end, but right now I see them as a round of 32/sweet 16 team.

Nah no way, this is a 30 point loss. They have 2 guards who can shoot and athletes dow low. Not to mention Kelly who can kill ya inside and out
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We'll see Baldi.  You also predicted we would lose by 7 to WVA... 

Go look at my over/under thread. Duke is a hostile evironment for 6 rookies

OK, so you originally predicted we'd beat WVA, only to flip flop before game time.  1/2 credit for that. 

I agree with you.  Cameron is one of the best home court advantages in CBB, and we're probably going to lose , but I don't think we will get destroyed like the KY or UConn games.

Re: Duke Game Discussion
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2012, 10:59:47 PM »
Look fellas -- even ranked, veteran teams go to Cameron and get beat by double digits.  If we keep the game close, it is a victory.  But being objective, a double digit loss would not be out of the ordinary.  Let's just hope we play well and make it interesting.  Everything after that is gravy.