Big East media day...

Kinds funny how undervalued CJ Fair is.
Damage will be done.

Quote from: Poison on October 17, 2012, 11:08:10 AM

I think Pittsburgh at 6 is nuts. I don't care how good their freshman center is, it's unlikely he's ready to go in year one. They were a bad team last year, that lost their best player and shooter.

Give me a break, they aren't DePaul.  Yes they were bad last year that was AFTER 10 straight NCAA Tourney's, 4 BE
regular season titles and 2 BE Tourney titles, 6 BE Tourney final appearances, 2 times a no. 1 seed, once a no. 2 seed, 3 times a 3 seed. 

They still have a terrific roster and a terrific coach.  Most would see last year as an aberration.

Bottom line is Pitt has earned the benefit of the doubt.

I didn't say they were Depaul. I said they were overrated. That said, Depaul actually returns more than Pitt, and these rankings are asking a lot of Pitt's incoming freshman. Who is coming back for Pitt that anyone is afraid of? Is it just Jamie Dixon? I don't deny that he's a great coach, but almost every program goes through a down period at
one point or another.

There are a lot of unknowns in Pittsburgh.

What did the johnnies finish last year ?

Tied for 11th.

Quote from: fordham96 on October 17, 2012, 11:18:37 AM

Quote from: Poison on October 17, 2012, 11:08:10 AM

I think Pittsburgh at 6 is nuts. I don't care how good their freshman center is, it's unlikely he's ready to go in year one. They were a bad team last year, that lost their best player and shooter.

Give me a break, they aren't DePaul.  Yes they were bad last year that was AFTER 10 straight NCAA Tourney's, 4 BE
regular season titles and 2 BE Tourney titles, 6 BE Tourney final appearances, 2 times a no. 1 seed, once a no. 2 seed, 3 times a 3 seed. 

They still have a terrific roster and a terrific coach.  Most would see last year as an aberration.

Bottom line is Pitt has earned the benefit of the doubt.

I didn't say they were Depaul. I said they were overrated. That said, Depaul actually returns more than Pitt, and these rankings are asking a lot of Pitt's incoming freshman. Who is coming back for Pitt that anyone is afraid of? Is it just Jamie Dixon? I don't deny that he's a great coach, but almost every program goes through a down period at
one point or another.

There are a lot of unknowns in Pittsburgh.

Enough with the returning stuff.  DePaul has returned a lot the last few years, that has not stopped them from finishing dead last every year.

Couple of more things. There is no one who looks at Pitt's roster and DePaul's returning starters or not and thinks it is even close.

Secondly being picked 6th is not exactly winning the conference.  Quite frankly considering their recent run it is actually historically low.  Overrated?

Maybe they should be 7th then....

It is all relative anyway, pick 7 schools ahead of them and be specific of why their roster and staff deserves that spot.  And then you say you don't care "how good Steve Adams' is."  Well I don't care how good Peyton Siva is, or CJ Fair or D'Lo Harrison etc.  You can't just write off the no. 1 Big East recruit as if his impact is minimal. 

What did the johnnies finish last year ?

Tied for 11th with RU at 6-12.  Seeded 12th as they lost the last game of the year head to head with RU thus losing the tiebreaker.

Matt Sugam ‏@MattSugam
Jim Boeheim on Rick Pitino saying #Temple and #Memphis can fill the void #Syracuse and #Pitt leave: "Rick's full of shit." #BigEast
Boeheim: "If Rick [Pitino] and #Louisville could have left they would have left. Everybody knows it...They would have left in a heartbeat."
Jim Boeheim: "If he [Rick Pitino] was in the Big 12 right now like he wanted to be, he’d being saying the Big 12 is the best." #BigEast

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria
Boeheim told me the 'full of shit' comment about Pitino was meant in good spirit and 'not in a mean spirited way.' But he meant it.

Boeheim.  Ever the prick!

Quote from: Poison on October 17, 2012, 11:27:56 AM

Quote from: fordham96 on October 17, 2012, 11:18:37 AM

Quote from: Poison on October 17, 2012, 11:08:10 AM

I think Pittsburgh at 6 is nuts. I don't care how good their freshman center is, it's unlikely he's ready to go in year one. They were a bad team last year, that lost their best player and shooter.

Give me a break, they aren't DePaul.  Yes they were bad last year that was AFTER 10 straight NCAA Tourney's, 4 BE
regular season titles and 2 BE Tourney titles, 6 BE Tourney final appearances, 2 times a no. 1 seed, once a no. 2 seed, 3 times a 3 seed. 

They still have a terrific roster and a terrific coach.  Most would see last year as an aberration.

Bottom line is Pitt has earned the benefit of the doubt.

I didn't say they were Depaul. I said they were overrated. That said, Depaul actually returns more than Pitt, and these rankings are asking a lot of Pitt's incoming freshman. Who is coming back for Pitt that anyone is afraid of? Is it just Jamie Dixon? I don't deny that he's a great coach, but almost every program goes through a down period at
one point or another.

There are a lot of unknowns in Pittsburgh.

Enough with the returning stuff.  DePaul has returned a lot the last few years, that has not stopped them from finishing dead last every year.

Couple of more things. There is no one who looks at Pitt's roster and DePaul's returning starters or not and thinks it is even close.

Secondly being picked 6th is not exactly winning the conference.  Quite frankly considering their recent run it is actually historically low.  Overrated?

Maybe they should be 7th then....

It is all relative anyway, pick 7 schools ahead of them and be specific of why their roster and staff deserves that spot.  And then you say you don't care "how good Steve Adams' is."  Well I don't care how good Peyton Siva is, or CJ Fair or D'Lo Harrison etc.  You can't just write off the no. 1 Big East recruit as if his impact is minimal. 

I guess we'll just have to see what happens.

"Most likely to be really good in two seasons":

"St. John's: God'sgift Achiuwa is the team's lone senior, and their underclassmen are talented but not exactly good enough to make an early leap to the NBA. With weapons all over the court, it's just a matter of time before the Johnnies are officially back."

“@friarblog: VC and Dunn mention #pcbb RT @becb_sbn: Big East Basketball Preview: Superlatives - courtesy of @NickFasuloSBN http://t.co/4pjn3LvM”

Matt Sugam ‏@MattSugam
Jim Boeheim on Rick Pitino saying #Temple and #Memphis can fill the void #Syracuse and #Pitt leave: "Rick's full of shit." #BigEast
Boeheim: "If Rick [Pitino] and #Louisville could have left they would have left. Everybody knows it...They would have left in a heartbeat."
Jim Boeheim: "If he [Rick Pitino] was in the Big 12 right now like he wanted to be, he’d being saying the Big 12 is the best." #BigEast

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria
Boeheim told me the 'full of shit' comment about Pitino was meant in good spirit and 'not in a mean spirited way.' But he meant it.

To my knowledge it was the president of UL that wanted to go to the Big 12, not Pitino, he was alwaye an advocate of the BE.

Thats unbecoming a BE coach.

“@KieranDarcy: Steve Lavin OK with St. John's picked 10th in Big East -- D'Angelo Harrison says Red Storm will finish higher: http://t.co/lbRqB2fS #stjbb”

Pitino's opinion why SJU struggled post Louie;

http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/st-johns-red-storm-mens-basketball/2012/10/17/3517748/big-east-media-day-rick-pitino-recruiting-steve-lavin

Pitino's opinion why SJU struggled post Louie;

http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/st-johns-red-storm-mens-basketball/2012/10/17/3517748/big-east-media-day-rick-pitino-recruiting-steve-lavin

Regardless what ppl say about Rick he is very favorable to the program and indirectly thru the Billy D offer which showed we meant busine$$ he is one of the reasons we have Lavin today.

Quote from: paultzman on October 17, 2012, 06:00:39 PM

Pitino's opinion why SJU struggled post Louie;

http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/st-johns-red-storm-mens-basketball/2012/10/17/3517748/big-east-media-day-rick-pitino-recruiting-steve-lavin

Regardless what ppl say about Rick he is very favorable to the program and indirectly thru the Billy D offer which showed we meant busine$$ he is one of the reasons we have Lavin today.

Agree

Pitino's opinion why SJU struggled post Louie;

http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/st-johns-red-storm-mens-basketball/2012/10/17/3517748/big-east-media-day-rick-pitino-recruiting-steve-lavin

Rick is right. We spent so much time sucking on local johnson that by the time we realized that the Stephensons and Landesbergs weren't coming, it was too late. I love that Lavin doesn't put all his eggs in one basket. He's too smart for that.

Agree wholeheartedly.  NYC/tri-state area is still a priority for the staff no doubt, but Lav is going after talent everywhere.

This Pitino article reminds me of Digger coming into N.Y. every season in the 70's and 80's and explaining to the press what was wrong with N.Y. college b.b. This drove Louie and myself crazy. Just like then, do we need to hear from these outsiders what our shortcomings may have been. In fairness to his predecessors, Lavin is recruiting kids to a very different university then they did. It took the good fathers decades to realize St. John's is a university of national scope. However there were the occasional recruits outside the city such as one of my all time favorites Lavor Posell. With that said may Lavin continue to recruit nationally but maintain a strong recruiting footprint in St. John's own backyard.

Quote from: paultzman on October 17, 2012, 06:00:39 PM

Pitino's opinion why SJU struggled post Louie;

http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/st-johns-red-storm-mens-basketball/2012/10/17/3517748/big-east-media-day-rick-pitino-recruiting-steve-lavin

Regardless what ppl say about Rick he is very favorable to the program and indirectly thru the Billy D offer which showed we meant busine$$ he is one of the reasons we have Lavin today.

Some days I like slick Rick some days I dont but I think you are on the money with this