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Green can't be signled out. Green,   Branch, pointer all look to br 14 minute playerLook at the stats. Very disapointing. Does nods go to Green because he was playing out of po

Quote from: Moose on January 30, 2014, 12:25:15 PM

The teams record is likely the same with or without him, no?

Not so.  We lose to Bucknell and Monmouth without him.

Quote from: we are sju on January 30, 2014, 02:21:36 PM

And anyone other than Carmine and Lavin can see he is not a point guard.

Now your just making sh*t up.  I've commented specifically on this about 50 times.  Plus the time he's spent playing the point has decreased every season he's been here.  You're making it seem like the square has been handed the ball, it's your team,  your the point a la Jackson, Harvey, Barkley, Cook, Geno etc. for three years running now.  That's simply not the case.  He played a lot of point his freshman year once Nuri left after 11 games.  His sophomore year we were largely a point guard by committee team and this year he's played less point than ever with Rysheed and the Aggie manning the point more and the triangle playing often In three guard lineups.

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Can't shoot

Not entirely true.  The truth is that he is not a consistently good shooter.  He has shot well for us on many occasions.  On other occasions,  his shooting numbers have been abysmal.  So far, his numbers this season have been the best of his career and are BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER GUARD on the team that you would never say "Can't shoot" about yet you continue with your passé rhetoric.

Wasju - PLEASE ANSWER ME TWO QUESTIONS:
 
In this thread I have listed MANY games where Phil has been an effective scorer and MANY games where Phil has been the best player on the team.  What is your take on that? and why is it not effective in softening your stance regarding Greene? 

Quote from: jr49 on January 30, 2014, 03:56:51 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 30, 2014, 02:21:36 PM

Quote from: boo3 on January 30, 2014, 02:12:29 PM

I'm not defending Greene, and have no problem with all the criticism. 

Still doesn't mean you are right though.   He's not nearly as bad as he's made out to be.   All I'm saying.

Boo, if the argument is it is not right to criticize a college basketball player on a fan forum, then, though I do not agree, I can understand the argument.
The argument that Greene is not that bad, I disagree with. He is not a good shooter. The stat sheet verifies that. I don't care if he has the best % on this team, this team can't shoot. You kow the whole prettiest ugly girl is still ugly thing.
And anyone other than Carmine and Lavin can see he is not a point guard. Can't shoot, not a point, what exactly is he good at?

Again nothing personal against Phil but this is a basketball forum. This is something some have a hard time understanding. The same with Norm. I never understood the whole"Norm is a good guy". Who cares? He was a bad coach.

I thought Phil would get to the rim and the line more. I also thought the same about Branch.

Branch gets to the lane much more than phil does.

@SJUCoachLavin: Last 5 gms we’ve been pressing, it has been paying dividends. Challenge when we don’t score and are unable to set the press. #SJUBB

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Quote from: jr49 on January 30, 2014, 03:56:51 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 30, 2014, 02:21:36 PM

Quote from: boo3 on January 30, 2014, 02:12:29 PM

I'm not defending Greene, and have no problem with all the criticism. 

Still doesn't mean you are right though.   He's not nearly as bad as he's made out to be.   All I'm saying.

Boo, if the argument is it is not right to criticize a college basketball player on a fan forum, then, though I do not agree, I can understand the argument.
The argument that Greene is not that bad, I disagree with. He is not a good shooter. The stat sheet verifies that. I don't care if he has the best % on this team, this team can't shoot. You kow the whole prettiest ugly girl is still ugly thing.
And anyone other than Carmine and Lavin can see he is not a point guard. Can't shoot, not a point, what exactly is he good at?

Again nothing personal against Phil but this is a basketball forum. This is something some have a hard time understanding. The same with Norm. I never understood the whole"Norm is a good guy". Who cares? He was a bad coach.

I thought Phil would get to the rim and the line more. I also thought the same about Branch.

Branch gets to the lane much more than phil does.

Hey Mase, I said line, not lane. I'm looking for points. If ya compare Branch and Green yearly stats both poor and both look to be 12 minutes a game players. Branch more of a point and we need him to fill that need. Maybe more playing time would help him. Top 50 player, I wish. If you look at the box score for the Jay's game, if Green, Branch, or Pointer give us something, we win. All our guys are disappointing this year, thus 2-6. Players gotta play, and we all still pulling for them. 

@SJUCoachLavin: Last 5 gms we’ve been pressing, it has been paying dividends. Challenge when we don’t score and are unable to set the press. #SJUBB

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 30, 2014, 09:15:07 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 30, 2014, 02:21:36 PM

And anyone other than Carmine and Lavin can see he is not a point guard.

Now your just making sh*t up.  I've commented specifically on this about 50 times.  Plus the time he's spent playing the point has decreased every season he's been here.  You're making it seem like the square has been handed the ball, it's your team,  your the point a la Jackson, Harvey, Barkley, Cook, Geno etc. for three years running now.  That's simply not the case.  He played a lot of point his freshman year once Nuri left after 11 games.  His sophomore year we were largely a point guard by committee team and this year he's played less point than ever with Rysheed and the Aggie manning the point more and the triangle playing often In three guard lineups.

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Can't shoot

Not entirely true.  The truth is that he is not a consistently good shooter.  He has shot well for us on many occasions.  On other occasions,  his shooting numbers have been abysmal.  So far, his numbers this season have been the best of his career and are BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER GUARD on the team that you would never say "Can't shoot" about yet you continue with your passé rhetoric.

Wasju - PLEASE ANSWER ME TWO QUESTIONS:
 
In this thread I have listed MANY games where Phil has been an effective scorer and MANY games where Phil has been the best player on the team.  What is your take on that? and why is it not effective in softening your stance regarding Greene? 

If you would like me to use stats instead of colorful analogies to describe Greene ok, but I think that is actually meaner.
Greene is averaging 8.1 pts 1.2 assists-yes 1.2 assists. Got that 1.2 assists. 2.6 boards and 1.2 assists
If he was a third guard on say Louisville, you would say based on those stats he is a good solid player. But he is playing big minutes on a team that is going to have to fight to make the NIT.

Now throw in his 43% shooting a career high but still not good, 37% 3 point shooting again a career high, and we know where this % will be at the end of the year and 65% from the line which is bad, but also a place he seems allergic of.

Again Phil seems like a nice enough kid and he is getting a free education, but unfortunately his skill set does cater to being an effective basketball player.

Quote from: we are sju on January 31, 2014, 09:08:26 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 30, 2014, 09:15:07 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 30, 2014, 02:21:36 PM

And anyone other than Carmine and Lavin can see he is not a point guard.

Now your just making sh*t up.  I've commented specifically on this about 50 times.  Plus the time he's spent playing the point has decreased every season he's been here.  You're making it seem like the square has been handed the ball, it's your team,  your the point a la Jackson, Harvey, Barkley, Cook, Geno etc. for three years running now.  That's simply not the case.  He played a lot of point his freshman year once Nuri left after 11 games.  His sophomore year we were largely a point guard by committee team and this year he's played less point than ever with Rysheed and the Aggie manning the point more and the triangle playing often In three guard lineups.

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Can't shoot

Not entirely true.  The truth is that he is not a consistently good shooter.  He has shot well for us on many occasions.  On other occasions,  his shooting numbers have been abysmal.  So far, his numbers this season have been the best of his career and are BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER GUARD on the team that you would never say "Can't shoot" about yet you continue with your passé rhetoric.

Wasju - PLEASE ANSWER ME TWO QUESTIONS:
 
In this thread I have listed MANY games where Phil has been an effective scorer and MANY games where Phil has been the best player on the team.  What is your take on that? and why is it not effective in softening your stance regarding Greene? 

If you would like me to use stats instead of colorful analogies to describe Greene ok, but I think that is actually meaner.
Greene is averaging 8.1 pts 1.2 assists-yes 1.2 assists. Got that 1.2 assists. 2.6 boards and 1.2 assists
If he was a third guard on say Louisville, you would say based on those stats he is a good solid player. But he is playing big minutes on a team that is going to have to fight to make the NIT.

Now throw in his 43% shooting a career high but still not good, 37% 3 point shooting again a career high, and we know where this % will be at the end of the year and 65% from the line which is bad, but also a place he seems allergic of.

Again Phil seems like a nice enough kid and he is getting a free education, but unfortunately his skill set does cater to being an effective basketball player.

You didn't answer my two questions?


Carmine Abbatiello  was a better HARNESS DRIVER than Anthony Abbatiello....

Phil Green is a better shooter than Dom Pointer? 

Are these correct answers?   (:

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 31, 2014, 11:37:58 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 31, 2014, 09:08:26 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 30, 2014, 09:15:07 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 30, 2014, 02:21:36 PM

And anyone other than Carmine and Lavin can see he is not a point guard.

Now your just making sh*t up.  I've commented specifically on this about 50 times.  Plus the time he's spent playing the point has decreased every season he's been here.  You're making it seem like the square has been handed the ball, it's your team,  your the point a la Jackson, Harvey, Barkley, Cook, Geno etc. for three years running now.  That's simply not the case.  He played a lot of point his freshman year once Nuri left after 11 games.  His sophomore year we were largely a point guard by committee team and this year he's played less point than ever with Rysheed and the Aggie manning the point more and the triangle playing often In three guard lineups.

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Can't shoot

Not entirely true.  The truth is that he is not a consistently good shooter.  He has shot well for us on many occasions.  On other occasions,  his shooting numbers have been abysmal.  So far, his numbers this season have been the best of his career and are BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER GUARD on the team that you would never say "Can't shoot" about yet you continue with your passé rhetoric.

Wasju - PLEASE ANSWER ME TWO QUESTIONS:
 
In this thread I have listed MANY games where Phil has been an effective scorer and MANY games where Phil has been the best player on the team.  What is your take on that? and why is it not effective in softening your stance regarding Greene? 

If you would like me to use stats instead of colorful analogies to describe Greene ok, but I think that is actually meaner.
Greene is averaging 8.1 pts 1.2 assists-yes 1.2 assists. Got that 1.2 assists. 2.6 boards and 1.2 assists
If he was a third guard on say Louisville, you would say based on those stats he is a good solid player. But he is playing big minutes on a team that is going to have to fight to make the NIT.

Now throw in his 43% shooting a career high but still not good, 37% 3 point shooting again a career high, and we know where this % will be at the end of the year and 65% from the line which is bad, but also a place he seems allergic of.

Again Phil seems like a nice enough kid and he is getting a free education, but unfortunately his skill set does cater to being an effective basketball player.

You didn't answer my two questions?


Carmine Abbatiello  was a better HARNESS DRIVER than Anthony Abbatiello....

Phil Green is a better shooter than Dom Pointer? 

Are these correct answers?   (:

Greene is averaging 8.1 pts

1.2 assists-yes 1.2 assists. Got that 1.2 assists.

Now throw in his 43% shooting a career high but still not good, 37% 3 point shooting again a career high, and we know where this % will be at the end of the year

Quote from: we are sju on January 31, 2014, 09:08:26 AM

Greene is averaging 8.1 pts

Your savior is averaging 7.8 pts in almost the same amount of minutes.

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1.2 assists-yes 1.2 assists. Got that 1.2 assists.

Your favorite eye roller is averaging 1.6 assists-yes 1.6 assists.  Got that 1.6 assists in way more minutes.

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Now throw in his 43% shooting a career high but still not good, 37% 3 point shooting again a career high, and we know where this % will be at the end of the year

That 43% you call still not good is better than all guards but the Aggie.  His 3 point percentage is the highest on the team.  Much, much higher than Rysheed and the Aggie.  And no, we don't know where it will be by year end.   

P.S.  Have I mentioned that he's averaging a microscopic .3 turnovers -yes .3 turnovers. Got that .3 turnovers.  His assist/turnover ratio is approaching an insane, unheard of 4 to 1.   
 
 

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Quote from: we are sju on January 31, 2014, 09:08:26 AM

Greene is averaging 8.1 pts

Your savior is averaging 7.8 pts in almost the same amount of minutes.

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1.2 assists-yes 1.2 assists. Got that 1.2 assists.

Your favorite eye roller is averaging 1.6 assists-yes 1.6 assists.  Got that 1.6 assists in way more minutes.

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Now throw in his 43% shooting a career high but still not good, 37% 3 point shooting again a career high, and we know where this % will be at the end of the year

That 43% you call still not good is better than all guards but the Aggie.  His 3 point percentage is the highest on the team.  Much, much higher than Rysheed and the Aggie.  And no, we don't know where it will be by year end.   

P.S.  Have I mentioned that he's averaging a microscopic .3 turnovers -yes .3 turnovers. Got that .3 turnovers.  His assist/turnover ratio is approaching an insane, unheard of 4 to 1.   
 
 

Harrison is averaging 18 points a game and is a scoring guard. 8.3 points-less now is not a scoring guard and spent time at the point thus 1. whatever assists is an atrocious number.

Quote from: we are sju on February 03, 2014, 11:17:06 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 02, 2014, 06:19:38 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 31, 2014, 09:08:26 AM

Greene is averaging 8.1 pts

Your savior is averaging 7.8 pts in almost the same amount of minutes.

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1.2 assists-yes 1.2 assists. Got that 1.2 assists.

Your favorite eye roller is averaging 1.6 assists-yes 1.6 assists.  Got that 1.6 assists in way more minutes.

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Now throw in his 43% shooting a career high but still not good, 37% 3 point shooting again a career high, and we know where this % will be at the end of the year

That 43% you call still not good is better than all guards but the Aggie.  His 3 point percentage is the highest on the team.  Much, much higher than Rysheed and the Aggie.  And no, we don't know where it will be by year end.   

P.S.  Have I mentioned that he's averaging a microscopic .3 turnovers -yes .3 turnovers. Got that .3 turnovers.  His assist/turnover ratio is approaching an insane, unheard of 4 to 1.   
 
 

Harrison is averaging 18 points a game and is a scoring guard. 8.3 points-less now is not a scoring guard and spent time at the point thus 1. whatever assists is an atrocious number.

In his first two seasons when he led the team in assists and finished second on the team in assists, respectively.

Quote from: we are sju on February 03, 2014, 11:17:06 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 02, 2014, 06:19:38 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 31, 2014, 09:08:26 AM

Greene is averaging 8.1 pts

Your savior is averaging 7.8 pts in almost the same amount of minutes.

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1.2 assists-yes 1.2 assists. Got that 1.2 assists.

Your favorite eye roller is averaging 1.6 assists-yes 1.6 assists.  Got that 1.6 assists in way more minutes.

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Now throw in his 43% shooting a career high but still not good, 37% 3 point shooting again a career high, and we know where this % will be at the end of the year

That 43% you call still not good is better than all guards but the Aggie.  His 3 point percentage is the highest on the team.  Much, much higher than Rysheed and the Aggie.  And no, we don't know where it will be by year end.   

P.S.  Have I mentioned that he's averaging a microscopic .3 turnovers -yes .3 turnovers. Got that .3 turnovers.  His assist/turnover ratio is approaching an insane, unheard of 4 to 1.   
 
 

Harrison is averaging 18 points a game and is a scoring guard. 8.3 points-less now is not a scoring guard and spent time at the point thus 1. whatever assists is an atrocious number.

In his first two seasons when he led the team in assists and finished second on the team in assists, respectively,  you attacked him for being a bad shooter.  Now that his shooting numbers are up and his assist numbers are down,  you've conveniently turned it around and attack him for not enough assists.  You are a clever rat Wasju.  Wonder what point of attack you'll use next season?

Question ( I'm sure you'll ignore ) ?  If the square is so terrible,  WHY HAS HE BEEN OUR BEST PLAYER ON MANY NIGHTS AND A KEY CONTRIBUTOR ON MANY OTHER OCCASIONS?

P.S. 7 turnovers in 502 minutes!  And he's not Caldwell Jones.

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Quote from: we are sju on February 03, 2014, 11:17:06 AM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 02, 2014, 06:19:38 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 31, 2014, 09:08:26 AM

Greene is averaging 8.1 pts

Your savior is averaging 7.8 pts in almost the same amount of minutes.

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1.2 assists-yes 1.2 assists. Got that 1.2 assists.

Your favorite eye roller is averaging 1.6 assists-yes 1.6 assists.  Got that 1.6 assists in way more minutes.

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Now throw in his 43% shooting a career high but still not good, 37% 3 point shooting again a career high, and we know where this % will be at the end of the year

That 43% you call still not good is better than all guards but the Aggie.  His 3 point percentage is the highest on the team.  Much, much higher than Rysheed and the Aggie.  And no, we don't know where it will be by year end.   

P.S.  Have I mentioned that he's averaging a microscopic .3 turnovers -yes .3 turnovers. Got that .3 turnovers.  His assist/turnover ratio is approaching an insane, unheard of 4 to 1.   
 
 

Harrison is averaging 18 points a game and is a scoring guard. 8.3 points-less now is not a scoring guard and spent time at the point thus 1. whatever assists is an atrocious number.

In his first two seasons when he led the team in assists and finished second on the team in assists, respectively.

Carmine, when you say this do you actually believe that he is a good passer? He is not a good passer, actually let me change that he is an abysmal passer.

Assits In BE play:
Rysheed- 29
Jamal- 18
Dom- 12
Jakarr-11
Dlo- 9
Sanchez-8
Phil- 7

that is insane for a guard. Our two point guards have matched that in single games this year. He never gives the ball up and when he does it is often too late. Raft pointed it out on a few occasions against Marquette. And yes before you say so I know he did miss a game. I admire your willingness to defend but he is at best the fourth guard on our team.

The one play you mentioned that Raftery pointed out is a perfect illustration of PG4's shortcomings. He loses his handle at the top of the key, Marquette player goes for the ball and misses, Phil spins away and recovers. He has Dlo on the wing, hot as a firecracker, feet set, begging for the ball. Phil never even saw him. They actually replayed it in slow mo and Raf said something like "Not out of selfishness...just lack of vision or feel or whatever." That should be Phil's basketball epitaph.