Moe and the 2012 Draft

Quote from: Choz4Life on May 14, 2012, 02:51:04 PM

They was all better as frosh? Or 1st year Varsity?

C'mon now.

Mo woulda surpassed a lotta names had he stayed his time.

I'm sure Choz but we'll never know. They didn't call Mel Davis "killer " for nothing. Best rebounder we ever had.

Mel didn't have any money either, but he stayed in school and meant something to SJ. Moe used us a stop gap.

Quote from: derk on May 15, 2012, 12:28:19 PM

Quote from: Choz4Life on May 14, 2012, 02:51:04 PM

They was all better as frosh? Or 1st year Varsity?

C'mon now.

Mo woulda surpassed a lotta names had he stayed his time.

I'm sure Choz but we'll never know. They didn't call Mel Davis "killer " for nothing. Best rebounder we ever had.

Mel didn't have any money either, but he stayed in school and meant something to SJ. Moe used us a stop gap.

Um how many kids during Mel's years left early?

It's the nature of the beast.  Why fight it?  Embrace it and the positives it can/will bring as a result.

I'm not fighting it, I'm just not putting Moe's name up in the rafters at Alumni Hall. Good luck to him. He will need it.

I'm not fighting it, I'm just not putting Moe's name up in the rafters at Alumni Hall. Good luck to him. He will need it.

Ok but care to take a shot at my question to your post?

In Mel's days was leaving early an option?

 ;)College is usually a pre req to having a successful career and making money.  Like mark zuckerberg, moe clearly did not need a college degree to hit it big. After one year he will get a contract with a total value over 3-4 years that most of his st johns classmates will not make in their lifetimes after graduating.  Moe used college like anyone does.  He just didn't need to graduate to reap the benefits.   Not his fault.  I may think it would be better in the long run if he stayed one more year, but he's undoubtedly going to make BANK at age 19 and will be competing at the highest level in his trade.  The level everyone aspires to reach - the NBA.  If this means at johns was a stopgap for him, then hell, call college a stopgap for everyone, poison.  Isn't this the goal?

;)College is usually a pre req to having a successful career and making money.  Like mark zuckerberg, moe clearly did not need a college degree to hit it big. After one year he will get a contract with a total value over 3-4 years that most of his st johns classmates will not make in their lifetimes after graduating.  Moe used college like anyone does.  He just didn't need to graduate to reap the benefits.   Not his fault.  I may think it would be better in the long run if he stayed one more year, but he's undoubtedly going to make BANK at age 19 and will be competing at the highest level in his trade.  The level everyone aspires to reach - the NBA.  If this means at johns was a stopgap for him, then hell, call college a stopgap for everyone, poison.  Isn't this the goal?

And in turn he helped bridge a gap where STJ is now a 'cool' destination again.  He helped repair years of disdain many kids and handlers had about STJ.  First one to pop in the 2011 class as well.  Nobody knows how the class would have turned out if he didn't pop first.

Quote from: Poison on May 17, 2012, 08:54:11 AM

I'm not fighting it, I'm just not putting Moe's name up in the rafters at Alumni Hall. Good luck to him. He will need it.

Ok but care to take a shot at my question to your post?

In Mel's days was leaving early an option?

It wasn't done. I don't, and didn't dispute that. Mel still contributed(s) so much to the school.

Quote from: Moose on May 17, 2012, 08:55:53 AM

Quote from: Poison on May 17, 2012, 08:54:11 AM

I'm not fighting it, I'm just not putting Moe's name up in the rafters at Alumni Hall. Good luck to him. He will need it.

Ok but care to take a shot at my question to your post?

In Mel's days was leaving early an option?

It wasn't done. I don't, and didn't dispute that. Mel still contributed(s) so much to the school.

No doubt.  Mel was and is a great ambassador the school.
No inside info here and just a well educated hunch but I see Moe as the same down the road.  Kid is heady and I think will embrace STJ over the years and prove to be a great asset for us.

“@NYPost_Brazille: Hearing @moe_harkless has been invited to the NBA Draft Combine June 6-10 in Chicago, which is for the top prospects. #stjbb #nycstandup”

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/05/18/draft.safe.bets/index.html

Sam Amick lists Moe as one of the "safest bets" for the draft class.  I probably would have included him in the high risk high reward category, because I think "safe" implies he doesnt have as high a ceiling as he does, but I do agree that he has a higher floor than many in the risk/reward section.  Basically, Amick didn't comment too much about Moe, and my guess is, doesn't know too much about Moe.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/05/18/draft.safe.bets/index.html

Sam Amick lists Moe as one of the "safest bets" for the draft class.  I probably would have included him in the high risk high reward category, because I think "safe" implies he doesnt have as high a ceiling as he does, but I do agree that he has a higher floor than many in the risk/reward section.  Basically, Amick didn't comment too much about Moe, and my guess is, doesn't know too much about Moe.

I think Moe has a higher floor--as you put it--but I don't think he's very athletic by NBA standards.  He can jump for sure, but I always felt he had slow feet.  His size and length are ideal, though, and that is valued today more than ever in the NBA.

Moe's potential is off the charts.  That's why he's a safe bet.  It's ironic but the way we had to use him eliminated all the early reservations people had about him.  He showed he could score, board and bang with the big boys.  At his age that was exceptional. Too bad we couldn't bring him along gradually.  Leaving was a no-brainer for him.

“@NYPost_Brazille: Hearing @moe_harkless has been invited to the NBA Draft Combine June 6-10 in Chicago, which is for the top prospects. #stjbb #nycstandup”

Here's the list for the combine, Moe will be there

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/19124023/nba-draft-combine-participants

Quote from: paultzman on May 17, 2012, 02:03:14 PM

“@NYPost_Brazille: Hearing @moe_harkless has been invited to the NBA Draft Combine June 6-10 in Chicago, which is for the top prospects. #stjbb #nycstandup”

Here's the list for the combine, Moe will be there

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/19124023/nba-draft-combine-participants

Let's all hope Moe has a great showing at the combine.

Moe at # 16

“@GoodmanCBS: My Top 100 rankings in preparation for the June 28 NBA Draft -- and yes, I put Harrison Barnes in front of MKG -- http://t.co/9Q6n3lQa”

Moe at # 16

“@GoodmanCBS: My Top 100 rankings in preparation for the June 28 NBA Draft -- and yes, I put Harrison Barnes in front of MKG -- http://t.co/9Q6n3lQa”

Can't help noticing...no one from Grambling in the top 100

Quote from: paultzman on May 22, 2012, 04:42:06 PM

Moe at # 16

“@GoodmanCBS: My Top 100 rankings in preparation for the June 28 NBA Draft -- and yes, I put Harrison Barnes in front of MKG -- http://t.co/9Q6n3lQa”

Can't help noticing...no one from Grambling in the top 100

Noone from UCLA either?

Quote from: crgreen on May 22, 2012, 05:26:18 PM

Quote from: paultzman on May 22, 2012, 04:42:06 PM

Moe at # 16

“@GoodmanCBS: My Top 100 rankings in preparation for the June 28 NBA Draft -- and yes, I put Harrison Barnes in front of MKG -- http://t.co/9Q6n3lQa”

Can't help noticing...no one from Grambling in the top 100

Noone from UCLA either?

None expected this year.  No one left early for the draft, either.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on May 22, 2012, 10:06:32 PM

Quote from: crgreen on May 22, 2012, 05:26:18 PM

Quote from: paultzman on May 22, 2012, 04:42:06 PM

Moe at # 16

“@GoodmanCBS: My Top 100 rankings in preparation for the June 28 NBA Draft -- and yes, I put Harrison Barnes in front of MKG -- http://t.co/9Q6n3lQa”

Can't help noticing...no one from Grambling in the top 100

Noone from UCLA either?

None expected this year.  No one left early for the draft, either.

Breaking your balls