Big East could vote to dissolve

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #300 on: December 15, 2012, 04:15:52 AM »
fwiw, i would prefer to add dayton in addition to the other two, and keep it to ten schools.  everybody plays each other twice.  top eight teams make the tourney.  not nearly the league we once had, but at least i can identify with the schools.  the best scenario in a bad situation.  i think, as a minimum, gtown, st johns, nova, marquette, and xavier need to be strong year in and year out for the league to be successful.  then, if we get a strong year from any of the other schools, it would be gravy.
First no Temple because it is a catholic league. :) Would agree that a 10 team league is slightly preferable to 12 as if you play everyone twice you build up rivalries with all members were as 2 divisions of 6 each playing other division only once you don't get the rivalries. Only disagree with your not including all teams in post season tourney as I remember how much it sucked to be shut out of it. Nothing wrong with first day of 8-9 and 7-10 to get to quarterfinals, or for 12 teams top 4 bye and than the quarters.

don't think the league is strong enough to promote those games.  how many people will show up at the garden to see dayton play depaul?

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #301 on: December 15, 2012, 09:41:05 AM »
fwiw, i would prefer to add dayton in addition to the other two, and keep it to ten schools.  everybody plays each other twice.  top eight teams make the tourney.  not nearly the league we once had, but at least i can identify with the schools.  the best scenario in a bad situation.  i think, as a minimum, gtown, st johns, nova, marquette, and xavier need to be strong year in and year out for the league to be successful.  then, if we get a strong year from any of the other schools, it would be gravy.
First no Temple because it is a catholic league. :) Would agree that a 10 team league is slightly preferable to 12 as if you play everyone twice you build up rivalries with all members were as 2 divisions of 6 each playing other division only once you don't get the rivalries. Only disagree with your not including all teams in post season tourney as I remember how much it sucked to be shut out of it. Nothing wrong with first day of 8-9 and 7-10 to get to quarterfinals, or for 12 teams top 4 bye and than the quarters.

don't think the league is strong enough to promote those games.  how many people will show up at the garden to see dayton play depaul?

Dayton fans flock to games.  They drew a thousand fans to Charleston for a meaningless preseason tournament.  They have a large alumni base in NYC and would bring a ton of  fans.  Dayton, for those that don't know, has one of the most consistent and impressive average attendance figures since the early 70's.  Their fans show up to games home or away.

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #302 on: December 15, 2012, 10:41:04 AM »
I am sure Dayton fans would be thrilled to play us at the garden. The problem is besides the handful of basketball fans on this board most Casual ny fans would have very little interest in paying a premium to go to that game.

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« Reply #303 on: December 15, 2012, 10:59:33 AM »
Dayton fans in Charleston were awesome, Murray State a close second. If Murray State played in a better market, I would look to them in a heartbeat.

As for the news that 12 is a possibility in 2 divisions, I am all for that, just play the other division 1x a year and get to play them on your floor every other year

I don't want to go beyond 16 conf games and this would allow like 4 cupcakes, 8 really tough RPI games, a preseason tournament of 3 games, as well as the post season tournament.

18 games in the big east has been too much.   

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #304 on: December 15, 2012, 11:02:03 AM »
I would love

St Johns
Georgetown
Nova
Providence
Seton Hall
VCU

Marquette
DePaul
Xavier
Dayton
Butler
St. Louis or Creighton

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« Reply #305 on: December 15, 2012, 11:12:30 AM »
I would love

St Johns
Georgetown
Nova
Providence
Seton Hall
VCU

Marquette
DePaul
Xavier
Dayton
Butler
St. Louis or Creighton

How many games at MSG would we play if we were in this league?

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« Reply #306 on: December 15, 2012, 11:25:12 AM »
I would love

St Johns
Georgetown
Nova
Providence
Seton Hall
VCU

Marquette
DePaul
Xavier
Dayton
Butler
St. Louis or Creighton

How many games at MSG would we play if we were in this league?

If we had 9 conf home games, I would assume around 6 plus all the tough out of conf games so maybe 10 a year similar to the schedules in the past

Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #307 on: December 15, 2012, 11:40:46 AM »
My ideal conference would be:

East
St. Johns
Georgetown
Villanova
Providence
Seton Hall
VCU or George Mason (can't decide which)

West:
Marquette
DePaul
Xavier
Butler
Saint Louis (Big market, good facilities, willing to spend) - http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/joe-strauss/strauss-big-east-s-collapse-is-big-test-for-slu/article_32f53896-aa47-5f81-a487-0a35d18240f3.html
Creighton (Good market, good team)

Dayton is also a good school, but they would be a repeat market with Xavier who I much prefer.

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« Reply #308 on: December 15, 2012, 11:43:28 AM »
My ideal conference would be:

East
St. Johns
Georgetown
Villanova
Providence
Seton Hall
VCU or George Mason (can't decide which)

West:
Marquette
DePaul
Xavier
Butler
Saint Louis (Big market, good facilities, willing to spend) - http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/joe-strauss/strauss-big-east-s-collapse-is-big-test-for-slu/article_32f53896-aa47-5f81-a487-0a35d18240f3.html
Creighton (Good market, good team)

Dayton is also a good school, but they would be a repeat market with Xavier who I much prefer.

Dayton also has no Div 1 baseball which we need as the third=fourth sport of the conference 

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #309 on: December 15, 2012, 11:50:26 AM »
My favorite part is how much uconn is being punked in all this realignment talk.

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« Reply #310 on: December 15, 2012, 11:55:12 AM »
Wait, is this really going to be a catholic only league?
That post article mentions xavier Dayton st Louis creighton and duquesne being contacted... What do those schools all have in common?
No discussions with butler or vcu ?  or does Lenny just not know of them?

This is troubling imo.   I didn't think catholic only was a real possibility. 
Always assumed the league would be.mostly catholic.  But exclusively?  that's going to rub people the wrong way.

Have never heard a catholic conf, just schools of similar makeups, Butler for example is not a catholic school 

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« Reply #311 on: December 15, 2012, 11:57:16 AM »
My favorite part is how much uconn is being punked in all this realignment talk.

It is so refreshing, they will end up where they want eventually but it may take a while

Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #312 on: December 15, 2012, 12:05:24 PM »
I'm leaning towards a 10 team league instead of 12.  I like the idea of home and home with all schools.  Still don't think gonzaga/st. Mary's is feasible

STL
Xavier
Butler???
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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #313 on: December 15, 2012, 12:09:22 PM »
My favorite part is how much uconn is being punked in all this realignment talk.

It is so refreshing, they will end up where they want eventually but it may take a while
I wondered if or how the catholic presidents kept a straight face when the UCONN President begged for the league to stick together. Kudos to her to have the guts just to make the call.
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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #314 on: December 15, 2012, 12:25:19 PM »
Everybody is bashing UCONN, but after Syracuse WVU, Pitt bolted,you cant blame UCONN for trying to join the ACC. Louisville was begging the Big 12 for an invite. The writing was on the wall. We would have joined the ACC if invited. This whole realignment is nuts. Long standing rivalries are broken up,etc. But it is what it is. Of course thats the problem w the BE now. Everybody knows UCONN and Cincy have 1 foot out the door and the addition of Tulane didnt help things.

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #315 on: December 15, 2012, 12:54:59 PM »
Everybody is bashing UCONN, but after Syracuse WVU, Pitt bolted,you cant blame UCONN for trying to join the ACC. Louisville was begging the Big 12 for an invite. The writing was on the wall. We would have joined the ACC if invited. This whole realignment is nuts. Long standing rivalries are broken up,etc. But it is what it is. Of course thats the problem w the BE now. Everybody knows UCONN and Cincy have 1 foot out the door and the addition of Tulane didnt help things.
true, but at the same time don't try and tell other schools to do the same thing that you attempted to do. Especy UCONN just wants the C7 to stick together just so they can leave late on. It's like some key sucker punching you then screams you should play by the res just so they can sucker punch you later on.
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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #316 on: December 15, 2012, 12:59:32 PM »
Everybody is bashing UCONN, but after Syracuse WVU, Pitt bolted,you cant blame UCONN for trying to join the ACC. Louisville was begging the Big 12 for an invite. The writing was on the wall. We would have joined the ACC if invited. This whole realignment is nuts. Long standing rivalries are broken up,etc. But it is what it is. Of course thats the problem w the BE now. Everybody knows UCONN and Cincy have 1 foot out the door and the addition of Tulane didnt help things.

I'm not bashing them for trying to leave. I just love that no one wants them.

Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #317 on: December 15, 2012, 01:14:00 PM »
I'd love to have temple and Uconn join.  They just need to drop their shitty football teams and we'll gladly welcome them.

Memphis too.
But none of them are going to do that.  They've invested too much $$ in football.

Memphis and Temple are more likely.  Memphis is just dreadful.  Temple loses coaches like I change socks.  They dont have stadium and rent out the Linc.  And pretty much have zero chance of making one of the big 4 conferences.

And they already have demonstrated a willingness to split conferences based on sports...if we could take them with us (along with Memphis), it would be great...all comes down to BE willingness and whether the current BE morphs into something else...that allows them to retain their football and basketball in same conference...

UCONN has not been shy about wanting to leave and they will ultimately get their wish once someone leaves the ACC

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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #318 on: December 15, 2012, 01:16:35 PM »
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Re: Big East could vote to dissolve
« Reply #319 on: December 15, 2012, 01:17:45 PM »
Question for those out there==would the concept of the "Magnificent 7" starting a conference without FB have appealed to ND and kept them in the fold?  remember their deal with ACC is without FB only they MUST play 5 games against ACC teams every year and have to drop Michigan and possibly another long term rival.  They have proved they can get to the national championship game as an independent.
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