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St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2013 Class => Topic started by: ris on January 09, 2012, 02:02:23 PM
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He was mentioned on Isaiah Lewis topic.
I don´t know if we have interest, but he is averaging 15 points, playing with Lewis and Omar Calhoun, and he is 14-30 in three point shots. There is no stats of his 8 three pointers game.
http://ctkhoops.d1scout.com/index.cfm?page=Results&teamid=883 (http://ctkhoops.d1scout.com/index.cfm?page=Results&teamid=883)
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Louisville, Xavier, Rutgers and Providence involved with Severe also. Kid is one of the top scorers in city.
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/156507778767265793
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Xavier offered 2013 Christ the King (NY) SG Jon Severe.
http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/163096617065525248 (http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/163096617065525248)
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Playing on msg now. Christ the king vs xaverian
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2013 Christ the King (NY) SG Jon Severe lists offers from Houston, Xavier & Drexel, with interest from Providence, Rutgers & Florida.
http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/164527870952218624 (http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/164527870952218624)
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http://www.therecruitscoop.com/jon-severe-hearing-from-numerous-schools (http://www.therecruitscoop.com/jon-severe-hearing-from-numerous-schools)
Severe has an excellent shot and can shoot from range. He can dribble well, but needs to improve on that if he wants to have the ball in his hands more often. Severe has the ability to drive to the basket and finish in traffic. He is also a strong defender, who continues to get better in all aspects of his game. The New York native has developed his game into a much more compete ball player, as opposed to just a shooter.
After being hurt over the summer, along with the season before that, Severe has had an unlucky history with injuries. At the same time, he is finally having his breakout year during his junior season. Because of this, the Christ the King star is now hearing from plenty of schools. He has offers from, “Houston, Xavier and Drexel,” with interest from, “Providence, Texas, Rutgers and Florida.” There are a number of other schools who are exploring the option of getting involved as his stock seems to rise every game.
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Florida saw 2013 Christ the King (NY) SG Jon Severe play today. Texas will be in to see him soon.
https://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/169909181434961920
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Averaging 13 points and 5 rebounds.
A great 3 point shooter (31-71), but not very good in 2 pointers (43-113).
http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/f2AeCgPpwkqLxSb6IMerpA/basketball-winter-11-12/stats-jon-severe.htm (http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/f2AeCgPpwkqLxSb6IMerpA/basketball-winter-11-12/stats-jon-severe.htm)
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Kid is legit, sign him up before the other big dogs get wind. Better than Calhoun and Lewis.
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Kid is legit, sign him up before the other big dogs get wind. Better than Calhoun and Lewis.
Have you seen Galan. How would you compare the two if so.
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Severe can do more, galan is bigger though, but not as polished as severe. Both better than Calhoun and Lewis IMO though.
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Severe can do more, galan is bigger though, but not as polished as severe. Both better than Calhoun and Lewis IMO though.
I watched Severe and while everyone keeps talking about his shooting ,, nobody is talking about his athleticism . Kid has got some hops. .. I think a number of big schools are after him already.. Chileb.. I agree I like him better then Lewis and Calhoun.. But not as much as my favorite kid at the moment. Shane Rector of Ray's :)
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Do we have any interest in him?
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Baldi was on this guy early. Youre welcome johnnyjungle.
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He's from Christ the King, my alma mater, so yes, we should totally get this guy.
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Seton Hall will be in to watch Severe tomorrow. I really hope the staff gets involved with this kid.
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I really hope the staff gets involved with this kid.
I hope it too. But in 16 posts nobody has mentioned that we have interest.
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I really hope the staff gets involved with this kid.
I hope it too. But in 16 posts nobody has mentioned that we have interest.
The Carlos Morris thread should be an indication that we can't necessarily worry about what we aren't reading in print or hearing from insiders.
That said, after we fill out our roster in the next two months, recruiting is going to be a waiting game and jigsaw puzzle. If Harrison decides that the NBA won't want him after his sophomore year, then there may not be room for Severe. And if Harrison does leave, who's to say Greene doesn't slide over to full-time shooting guard and we concentrate on a point guard rather than Severe? Severe is probably too good to want to be part of a five-man backcourt.
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I really hope the staff gets involved with this kid.
I hope it too. But in 16 posts nobody has mentioned that we have interest.
The Carlos Morris thread should be an indication that we can't necessarily worry about what we aren't reading in print or hearing from insiders.
That said, after we fill out our roster in the next two months, recruiting is going to be a waiting game and jigsaw puzzle. If Harrison decides that the NBA won't want him after his sophomore year, then there may not be room for Severe. And if Harrison does leave, who's to say Greene doesn't slide over to full-time shooting guard and we concentrate on a point guard rather than Severe? Severe is probably too good to want to be part of a five-man backcourt.
Please don't take this wrong, but that's the mindset of a fanbase that hopes to be "upper half of the Big East" and "Get to the tourney regularly". Steve Lavin didn't come here for that. He came to build a championship program. One that WINS the Big East. One that advances in the Dance. One that will eventually WIN the NCAA title. And you do that with 5 man guard rotations, 5 man forward rotations, and 2-3 man center rotations.
Also, if Severe thinks he's too good for 5 man guard rotation, then that isn't an issue. Kids who think they're good don't believe THEY'LL be the 4th or 5th guard.
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I really hope the staff gets involved with this kid.
I hope it too. But in 16 posts nobody has mentioned that we have interest.
The Carlos Morris thread should be an indication that we can't necessarily worry about what we aren't reading in print or hearing from insiders.
That said, after we fill out our roster in the next two months, recruiting is going to be a waiting game and jigsaw puzzle. If Harrison decides that the NBA won't want him after his sophomore year, then there may not be room for Severe. And if Harrison does leave, who's to say Greene doesn't slide over to full-time shooting guard and we concentrate on a point guard rather than Severe? Severe is probably too good to want to be part of a five-man backcourt.
Please don't take this wrong, but that's the mindset of a fanbase that hopes to be "upper half of the Big East" and "Get to the tourney regularly". Steve Lavin didn't come here for that. He came to build a championship program. One that WINS the Big East. One that advances in the Dance. One that will eventually WIN the NCAA title. And you do that with 5 man guard rotations, 5 man forward rotations, and 2-3 man center rotations.
Also, if Severe thinks he's too good for 5 man guard rotation, then that isn't an issue. Kids who think they're good don't believe THEY'LL be the 4th or 5th guard.
You mentioned 12-13 spots above. Not many teams run more than 10 guys out there, some even less.
How deep were Steve's teams at UCLA?
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I really hope the staff gets involved with this kid.
I hope it too. But in 16 posts nobody has mentioned that we have interest.
The Carlos Morris thread should be an indication that we can't necessarily worry about what we aren't reading in print or hearing from insiders.
That said, after we fill out our roster in the next two months, recruiting is going to be a waiting game and jigsaw puzzle. If Harrison decides that the NBA won't want him after his sophomore year, then there may not be room for Severe. And if Harrison does leave, who's to say Greene doesn't slide over to full-time shooting guard and we concentrate on a point guard rather than Severe? Severe is probably too good to want to be part of a five-man backcourt.
Please don't take this wrong, but that's the mindset of a fanbase that hopes to be "upper half of the Big East" and "Get to the tourney regularly". Steve Lavin didn't come here for that. He came to build a championship program. One that WINS the Big East. One that advances in the Dance. One that will eventually WIN the NCAA title. And you do that with 5 man guard rotations, 5 man forward rotations, and 2-3 man center rotations.
Also, if Severe thinks he's too good for 5 man guard rotation, then that isn't an issue. Kids who think they're good don't believe THEY'LL be the 4th or 5th guard.
You mentioned 12-13 spots above. Not many teams run more than 10 guys out there, some even less.
How deep were Steve's teams at UCLA?
In 1997-98 he signed (1) Baron Davis, (2) Schea Cotton, (3) Earl Watson, (4) Rico Hines, (5) Billy Knight, (6) Travis Reed, and (7) got Hoopscoops #98 player, Todd Ramasar, to walk on.
The following year he brought in (8) Dan Gazuric, (9) JaRon Rush, (10) Jerome Moiso, (11) Ray Young, (12) Matt Barnes, and (13) Moose Bailey. And Holdovers Brandon Lloyd and Sean Farnham were also on the roster. Also during those two years, he brought in transfer Kevin Daley. Kevin is also known as "Special K" - the star performer for the Globetrotters. The teams were very deep.
Of course things shake out. Baron, Rush and Moiso all went pro after their soph seasons. Reed and Daley transferred out after their soph and Jr years respectively. And the NCAA prevented Schea from playing. Also, Rico, Young and Knight all had injury redshirt seasons, and were there 5 years. But Steve RECRUITED to 13 players.
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We have to get Severe. Kid in our own backyard who can shoot?
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We have to get Severe. Kid in our own backyard who can shoot?
I agree.
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Who is better Severe or Brian Bernardi at Xaverian..?
Bernardi is a loca kid with a great stroke and decent size but he is just not a Big East player. Severe has to be able to somewhat defend his position at this Big East level and if he can't, he will get abused.
I know we play mostly zone but a guy who is not a good athlete can be exposed even more in zone if he can't rotate and close out quickly.
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Who is better Severe or Brian Bernardi at Xaverian..?
Bernardi is a loca kid with a great stroke and decent size but he is just not a Big East player. Severe has to be able to somewhat defend his position at this Big East level and if he can't, he will get abused.
I know we play mostly zone but a guy who is not a good athlete can be exposed even more in zone if he can't rotate and close out quickly.
Severe is the better all around player.
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Recruit Scoop: Pittsburgh & Virginia are now recruiting Jon Severe, a 2013 SG from Christ the King (NY). The Panthers saw him today.
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Seton Hall has offered Jon Severe, a 2013 SG from Christ the King (NY) according to Alex Kline.
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“@NYPost_Raimondi: Seton Hall has offered Christ the King's Jon Severe '13 and Dayton has begun showing interest for the scoring guard. #boyshoops”
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“@TheRecruitScoop: Cincinnati has offered Jon Severe, a 2013 SG from Long Island Lightning (NY).”
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“@TheRecruitScoop: Cincinnati has offered Jon Severe, a 2013 SG from Long Island Lightning (NY).”
This kid has Cinci written all over him.
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“@TheRecruitScoop: Cincinnati has offered Jon Severe, a 2013 SG from Long Island Lightning (NY).”
This kid has Cinci written all over him.
i wish it was red storm. kid is legit
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“@TheRecruitScoop: Cincinnati has offered Jon Severe, a 2013 SG from Long Island Lightning (NY).”
This kid has Cinci written all over him.
i wish it was red storm. kid is legit
I agree.
Now Maryland watching him.
http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/192260685969891328 (http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/192260685969891328)
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IMO dont think there is a big need for him. I would think we will get our shooter this year with either Hooper or Marco. At the moment it appears as if we wont have many scholarships and we should target bigger players that fit our system
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IMO dont think there is a big need for him. I would think we will get our shooter this year with either Hooper or Marco. At the moment it appears as if we wont have many scholarships and we should target bigger players that fit our system
He is not just a shooter.. Kid has a good all around game.
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IMO dont think there is a big need for him. I would think we will get our shooter this year with either Hooper or Marco. At the moment it appears as if we wont have many scholarships and we should target bigger players that fit our system
He is not just a shooter.. Kid has a good all around game.
Still if we have only 2 or 3 spots open wouldn't you rather go after guys like Domingo, Lawrence, Jarrell Martin etc. And I know he is good and wouldn't be opposed to see him here if the staff likes him but think there a better players we can get
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IMO dont think there is a big need for him. I would think we will get our shooter this year with either Hooper or Marco. At the moment it appears as if we wont have many scholarships and we should target bigger players that fit our system
He is not just a shooter.. Kid has a good all around game.
Still if we have only 2 or 3 spots open wouldn't you rather go after guys like Domingo, Lawrence, Jarrell Martin etc. And I know he is good and wouldn't be opposed to see him here if the staff likes him but think there a better players we can get
Those guys are great but are all wing/ stretch 4 kind of players. I say add 2 of those guys and throw in a combo guard with range like severe and the class becomes that more appetizing. The staff was already targeting guards like Jordan and sina and the more it seems like those ships are sailing why not add a guy like severe.
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If we have three ships next year as I anticipate, still a need for more size and I would take Hooper and his size over Severe.
I think we target the next starting 2 guard with the 2014 class and that seems to be Whitehead as the guy the staff covets
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Hooper is taller, but being from California he is not being recruited by any California/PAC12 team. Strange.
Severe is being recruited (and in some cases offered) by Big East and ACC teams.
SEVERE.
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If we have three ships next year as I anticipate, still a need for more size and I would take Hooper and his size over Severe.
I think we target the next starting 2 guard with the 2014 class and that seems to be Whitehead as the guy the staff covets
i actually like severe at the point in college and would give the nod to jarred terrell over whitehead at this point in 14'
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If we have three ships next year as I anticipate, still a need for more size and I would take Hooper and his size over Severe.
I think we target the next starting 2 guard with the 2014 class and that seems to be Whitehead as the guy the staff covets
also be mindful hooper might be bigger but outside of shooting is very limited, its not like hes using that size to rebound or use the length to defend. hes a specialist
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nice article on Severe and a tidbit on Carrington.
“@NYPost_Brazille: Boys basketball recruiting notebook: Christ the King's Severe becoming hot commodity http://t.co/CwcQvW2x via @newyorkpost”
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It looks like we are the only Big East team with no interest to Severe.
Villanova is now expressing interest in 2013 Long Island Lightning (NY) SG Jon Severe.
http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/194943892414660608 (http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/194943892414660608)
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It looks like we are the only Big East team with no interest to Severe.
Villanova is now expressing interest in 2013 Long Island Lightning (NY) SG Jon Severe.
http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/194943892414660608 (http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/194943892414660608)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Jon-Severe-136572 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Jon-Severe-136572)
Don't see Uconn, Lville, Syracuse, South Florida, Georgetown, Pitt. I know I've been hard on Severe here but everyone needs to realize that all signs are pointing to Steve using all his ships this year. Which would leave just 1 for 2013. And all signs point to that being Lawrence as the focus. Its unfortunate that there werent more kids like Severe in 2012. 2013 is just a bad timed year. 2014 were hot after Whitehead. Haven't really paid attention to the other NYC players in the mix. 2015 will be our next big all it seems.
Lets not put so much stock into not being after someone when in reality there just isnt much room.
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It looks like we are the only Big East team with no interest to Severe.
Villanova is now expressing interest in 2013 Long Island Lightning (NY) SG Jon Severe.
http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/194943892414660608 (http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/194943892414660608)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Jon-Severe-136572 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Jon-Severe-136572)
Don't see Uconn, Lville, Syracuse, South Florida, Georgetown, Pitt. I know I've been hard on Severe here but everyone needs to realize that all signs are pointing to Steve using all his ships this year. Which would leave just 1 for 2013. And all signs point to that being Lawrence as the focus. Its unfortunate that there werent more kids like Severe in 2012. 2013 is just a bad timed year. 2014 were hot after Whitehead. Haven't really paid attention to the other NYC players in the mix. 2015 will be our next big all it seems.
Lets not put so much stock into not being after someone when in reality there just isnt much room.
Right on point Moose
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Everybody knows already how I feel about severe but try not to see the bias when I say I think he's #1 in NYC 2013. He's the total package.
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Everybody knows already how I feel about severe but try not to see the bias when I say I think he's #1 in NYC 2013. He's the total package.
How did you rank 2013 again? I recall you having Lawrence pretty far down the list.
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Everybody knows already how I feel about severe but try not to see the bias when I say I think he's #1 in NYC 2013. He's the total package.
How did you rank 2013 again? I recall you having Lawrence pretty far down the list.
No your confusing Lawrence for Lewis. Lol, remember we agreed to exclude Lawrence being that he's in NJ now and went with Washington 1. But severe has passed him as well as rector, Samuel and Hassan
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Everybody knows already how I feel about severe but try not to see the bias when I say I think he's #1 in NYC 2013. He's the total package.
How did you rank 2013 again? I recall you having Lawrence pretty far down the list.
No your confusing Lawrence for Lewis. Lol, remember we agreed to exclude Lawrence being that he's in NJ now and went with Washington 1. But severe has passed him as well as rector, Samuel and Hassan
I don't remember excluding Lawrence and I'm definitely not confusing him with the great Isaiah Lewis :)
Lets include Jermaine. Give me your 2013
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Everybody knows already how I feel about severe but try not to see the bias when I say I think he'sEverybody knows already how I feel about severe but try not to see the bias when I say I think he's #1 in NYC 2013. He's the total package.
How did you rank 2013 again? I recall you having Lawrence pretty far down the list.
No your confusing Lawrence for Lewis. Lol, remember we agreed to exclude Lawrence being that he's in NJ now and went with Washington 1. But severe has passed him as well as rector, Samuel and Hassan
I don't remember excluding Lawrence and I'm definitely not confusing him with the great Isaiah Lewis :)
Lets include Jermaine. Give me your 2013
#1 in NYC 2013. He's the total package.
How did you rank 2013 again? I recall you having Lawrence pretty far down the list.
No your confusing Lawrence for Lewis. Lol, remember we agreed to exclude Lawrence being that he's in NJ now and went with Washington 1. But severe has passed him as well as rector, Samuel and Hassan
I don't remember excluding Lawrence and I'm definitely not confusing him with the great Isaiah Lewis :)
Lets include Jermaine. Give me your 2013
Lawrence
1b) severe
Washington
Martin
Rector
Samuel
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Some reason i think we'll have 2 ships available for 2013 unless we land exactly who we want this season like Chandler and Nolan. In addition, sometimes there are attrition issues. I certainly can see a guy like D'Lo taking a stab at the draft if he has a real good year, amongst others.
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If Lavin uses all available scolis, wont be suprised to see someone transfer next year. Cant make everybody happy. Also the possibiliy of Sampson jumping to the NBA. Dont see DLO leaving untill his Jr year at the earliest due to his size.
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Frank Martin really trying to recruit in Big Apple. Hear Pitt likes him a lot as well.
“@TheRecruitScoop: South Carolina has offered 2013 Long Island Lightning (NY) SG Jon Severe.”
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“@EvanDanielsFOX: George Washington has Jon Severe on campus today. Obi Enechionya was on campus this week as well.”
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Chille's main man continues to develop and attract interest.
“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King rising senior Jon Severe hearing the most from Providence, Cincinnati, Seton Hall, GW and Drexel, he says. #
“@NYPost_Brazille: Severe has no favorites and won't take visits until the fall. #boyshoops”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Rhode Island has offered Christ the King's Jon Severe and Missouri is showing interest, he said. #boyshoops”
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Moving up perhaps?
“@NYPost_Brazille: Florida State is looking to get involved with Christ the King rising senior Jon Severe, he said. #boyshoops”
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Can we just offer already..
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Can we just offer already..
No :)
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Can we just offer already..
No :)
Mr. Anti-severe in the flesh. Hey take your pick while your at it Melvin Johnson or severe?
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Can we just offer already..
No :)
Mr. Anti-severe in the flesh. Hey take your pick while your at it Melvin Johnson or severe?
Different classes. Different scenario. I don't think we need a guard next year really.
I would take Severe over Melvin because Melvin would have seen no PT this year. An extra year of separation would make a '13 kid more desirable.
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Can we just offer already..
No :)
Mr. Anti-severe in the flesh. Hey take your pick while your at it Melvin Johnson or severe?
Different classes. Different scenario. I don't think we need a guard next year really.
I would take Severe over Melvin because Melvin would have seen no PT this year. An extra year of separation would make a '13 kid more desirable.
Ok so let's just talk basketball, disregard class and let's focus on talent an skill. Who's your pick
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Can we just offer already..
No :)
Mr. Anti-severe in the flesh. Hey take your pick while your at it Melvin Johnson or severe?
Different classes. Different scenario. I don't think we need a guard next year really.
I would take Severe over Melvin because Melvin would have seen no PT this year. An extra year of separation would make a '13 kid more desirable.
Ok so let's just talk basketball, disregard class and let's focus on talent an skill. Who's your pick
Severe.
You happy?
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Can we just offer already..
No :)
Mr. Anti-severe in the flesh. Hey take your pick while your at it Melvin Johnson or severe?
Different classes. Different scenario. I don't think we need a guard next year really.
I would take Severe over Melvin because Melvin would have seen no PT this year. An extra year of separation would make a '13 kid more desirable.
Ok so let's just talk basketball, disregard class and let's focus on talent an skill. Who's your pick
Severe.
You happy?
Happy is an understatement 8)
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Can we just offer already..
No :)
Mr. Anti-severe in the flesh. Hey take your pick while your at it Melvin Johnson or severe?
Different classes. Different scenario. I don't think we need a guard next year really.
I would take Severe over Melvin because Melvin would have seen no PT this year. An extra year of separation would make a '13 kid more desirable.
Ok so let's just talk basketball, disregard class and let's focus on talent an skill. Who's your pick
Severe.
You happy?
No I am.. And as of right now Melvin is the better player IMO. :)
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“@TheRecruitScoop: Rutgers has offered Jon Severe, a 2013 SG from Christ the King (NY).”
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“@TheRecruitScoop: Rutgers has offered Jon Severe, a 2013 SG from Christ the King (NY).”
Can you name a player that Rutgers HASN'T offered. Probably not !
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“@TheRecruitScoop: Rutgers has offered Jon Severe, a 2013 SG from Christ the King (NY).”
Can you name a player that Rutgers HASN'T offered. Probably not !
Employing Iowa State approach.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Rhode Island will host Christ the King's Jon Severe and Curtis' Hassan Martin for officials this weekend, per a source. #boyshoops”
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“@WillGunter247: 2013 SG Jonathan Severe (Christ the King/NY) has an official visit to Rhode Island this wkend and Rutgers next wkend.”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe plans to attend Rutgers Midnight Madness, I'm told. #boyshoops”
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How come CTK not on top of the heap wit all that talent?
Yeah, it's rhetorical as usual.
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URI is great fit for this kid..
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe will attend Rutgers Midnight Madness, he said. #collegehoops”
Chille's guy staying close to home?
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe will attend Rutgers Midnight Madness, he said. #collegehoops”
Chille's guy staying close to home?
He's good for 30 against us if he lands in the big east
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe will attend Rutgers Midnight Madness, he said. #collegehoops”
Chille's guy staying close to home?
He's good for 30 against us if he lands in the big east
So over four years, figuring we play 'em at least once a season, plus allowing for at least another two games in the tourny or home 'n home, that averages out to 5 a game. Put Dom or Jamal on him and it'll be even less. ;)
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe will attend Rutgers Midnight Madness, he said. #collegehoops”
Chille's guy staying close to home?
He's good for 30 against us if he lands in the big east
So over four years, figuring we play 'em at least once a season, plus allowing for at least another two games in the tourny or home 'n home, that averages out to 5 a game. Put Dom or Jamal on him and it'll be even less. ;)
Ha! , history just has the habit of repeating itself. It's the guys like him who go else where and plays us and gets his career high that night.
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Rutgers will be in the ACC soon, so we'll see him twice.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe will attend Rutgers Midnight Madness, he said. #collegehoops”
Chille's guy staying close to home?
He's good for 30 against us if he lands in the big east
So over four years, figuring we play 'em at least once a season, plus allowing for at least another two games in the tourny or home 'n home, that averages out to 5 a game. Put Dom or Jamal on him and it'll be even less. ;)
Ha! , history just has the habit of repeating itself. It's the guys like him who go else where and plays us and gets his career high that night.
Quincy Douby.
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“@ReggieRankin: Sharp-shooting SF Severe likes three - College Basketball Recruiting Blog - ESPN http://t.co/VZf6dn50 (http://t.co/VZf6dn50)”
Jon Severe (Middle Village, N.Y./Christ the King) spoke about his recruitment on Sunday night, singling out three schools but stopping short of calling it a final list.
“St. Bonaventure, Rhode Island and George Washington are the three I’m focusing on right now,” he said following the Sharette Dixon Memorial Classic.
Severe took official visits to both Rhode Island and George Washington in September and plans to make a trip to St. Bonaventure sometime soon. While he’s focusing on the three programs, he still hasn’t guaranteed a decision in time for November’s early signing period.
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URI is a no brainer for this kid at this point, they will be the best team in that league in a few years.
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URI is a no brainer for this kid at this point, they will be the best team in that league in a few years.
Heard numerous times that he will pick Bonaventure. I do agree that Rhode Island would be the move for him.
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URI is a no brainer for this kid at this point, they will be the best team in that league in a few years.
Agree 100%. And Hurley is an excellent coach. Severe would fit perfectly there.
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URI is a no brainer for this kid at this point, they will be the best team in that league in a few years.
Agree 100%. And Hurley is an excellent coach. Severe would fit perfectly there.
How long do you think hurley stays there? He bails first major that comes calling.
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URI is a no brainer for this kid at this point, they will be the best team in that league in a few years.
Agree 100%. And Hurley is an excellent coach. Severe would fit perfectly there.
How long do you think hurley stays there? He bails first major that comes calling.
Teams came calling when he was coaching high school, and he didn't jump at first offer.
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I highly agree pmg
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Severe is looking at four schools now: St. Bon., Rhode Island, Duquesne and GW.”
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If I ever get to meet Paultzman in person, something tells me I'm going to be disappointed when I see he doesn't have a twitter feed scrolling across his forehead. ;)
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For ChilleB
“@HarlemCW1LL: Heard my young boy John Severe went off today in his first game of the year. 33pts and a W. #Lightningfam”
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For ChilleB
“@HarlemCW1LL: Heard my young boy John Severe went off today in his first game of the year. 33pts and a W. #Lightningfam”
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ChilleB, hope this takes a little bit of sting out of last night's game. Interesting comments about Rutgers leaving BE;
“@AdamZagoria: Severe Leads Christ the King to Win, Talks Schools http://t.co/vliyhNwS (http://t.co/vliyhNwS) @Sevec3”
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can see why he doesn't want him. He makes contested 3s. ???
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Underrated
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“@TheRecruitScoop: 2013 Christ The King (NY) SG Jon Severe is attending the Rutgers Basketball game tonight.”
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Guys don't want severe yet we love Phil Greene, I don't get it
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Guys don't want severe yet we love Phil Greene, I don't get it
It is clear he is developing nicely and IMO could be a solid contributor for us. You have been saying this for some time and may be right. Staff, however, must feel otherwise and I respect that.
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Guys don't want severe yet we love Phil Greene, I don't get it
It is clear he is developing nicely and IMO could be a solid contributor for us. You have been saying this for some time and may be right. Staff, however, must feel otherwise and I respect that.
I am a fan of Severe's game.. But IMO the A-10 is a perfect level for him .. That being said I have no idea what the Big East will look like soon so to say he isn't Big East might not be the case. If this staff wants to go national and get top players then a kid like Jon would be a waste. Not a knock on him .. But a player like him is a dime a dozen. Unless of course you just wanted to keep a local kid home.
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Guys don't want severe yet we love Phil Greene, I don't get it
It is clear he is developing nicely and IMO could be a solid contributor for us. You have been saying this for some time and may be right. Staff, however, must feel otherwise and I respect that.
I am a fan of Severe's game.. But IMO the A-10 is a perfect level for him .. That being said I have no idea what the Big East will look like soon so to say he isn't Big East might not be the case. If this staff wants to go national and get top players then a kid like Jon would be a waste. Not a knock on him .. But a player like him is a dime a dozen. Unless of course you just wanted to keep a local kid home.
On the other hand, if you give him a ship and don't play him and he transfers, it looks bad to the local community
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Guys don't want severe yet we love Phil Greene, I don't get it
It is clear he is developing nicely and IMO could be a solid contributor for us. You have been saying this for some time and may be right. Staff, however, must feel otherwise and I respect that.
I am a fan of Severe's game.. But IMO the A-10 is a perfect level for him .. That being said I have no idea what the Big East will look like soon so to say he isn't Big East might not be the case. If this staff wants to go national and get top players then a kid like Jon would be a waste. Not a knock on him .. But a player like him is a dime a dozen. Unless of course you just wanted to keep a local kid home.
On the other hand, if you give him a ship and don't play him and he transfers, it looks bad to the local community
Ted .. We will never please the local power brokers. NY is the most hating basketball community on the planet and if it had some unity could really help us and kids in general out. One needs to look no further than the fact that there is 200 AAU teams in NY.
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The one game I saw him he looked very impressive. Looked like the best player on CTK with Calhoun on it. Albeit one game
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Guys don't want severe yet we love Phil Greene, I don't get it
It is clear he is developing nicely and IMO could be a solid contributor for us. You have been saying this for some time and may be right. Staff, however, must feel otherwise and I respect that.
I am a fan of Severe's game.. But IMO the A-10 is a perfect level for him .. That being said I have no idea what the Big East will look like soon so to say he isn't Big East might not be the case. If this staff wants to go national and get top players then a kid like Jon would be a waste. Not a knock on him .. But a player like him is a dime a dozen. Unless of course you just wanted to keep a local kid home.
On the other hand, if you give him a ship and don't play him and he transfers, it looks bad to the local community
Ted .. We will never please the local power brokers. NY is the most hating basketball community on the planet and if it had some unity could really help us and kids in general out. One needs to look no further than the fact that there is 200 AAU teams in NY.
No loyalty from the new handlers. None of them are teaching the kids about the history or essence of NYC basketball, there to busy selling out to the out of town powerhouses and preps. I bet you a kid like severe wouldn't know who Dave Edwards was but any local Kentucky kid can write a novel on tony delk. The amount of AAU teams however doesn't bother me because of the talent depth. It's just hard to keep the talent here. Couldn't agree more though about the hate I'm on the scene righ now and unity is the last thing on everyone's mind.
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But back to severe his skill set is a dime a dozen if we're aiming for elite level talent from here on out. ( I would prefer Jordan) but severe is one notch below elite in my book. He shoots it, handles it, nice size, and has a ton of heart. He'd be a stud in the A10 or sec or big 10 dosent matter , whatever team lands this kid there getting a player. And btw are you guys aware that he cracked the 150 rankings? I think that should put the mid-major talk to bed. If he believed he was mid-major good he would have committed to one a year ago. The big fish that shows him the most love is gonna be a happy camper. If rutgers is gonna be the one then hey kudos to Rice.
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Guys don't want severe yet we love Phil Greene, I don't get it
It is clear he is developing nicely and IMO could be a solid contributor for us. You have been saying this for some time and may be right. Staff, however, must feel otherwise and I respect that.
I am a fan of Severe's game.. But IMO the A-10 is a perfect level for him .. That being said I have no idea what the Big East will look like soon so to say he isn't Big East might not be the case. If this staff wants to go national and get top players then a kid like Jon would be a waste. Not a knock on him .. But a player like him is a dime a dozen. Unless of course you just wanted to keep a local kid home.
On the other hand, if you give him a ship and don't play him and he transfers, it looks bad to the local community
Ted .. We will never please the local power brokers. NY is the most hating basketball community on the planet and if it had some unity could really help us and kids in general out. One needs to look no further than the fact that there is 200 AAU teams in NY.
No loyalty from the new handlers. None of them are teaching the kids about the history or essence of NYC basketball, there to busy selling out to the out of town powerhouses and preps. I bet you a kid like severe wouldn't know who Dave Edwards was but any local Kentucky kid can write a novel on tony delk. The amount of AAU teams however doesn't bother me because of the talent depth. It's just hard to keep the talent here. Couldn't agree more though about the hate I'm on the scene righ now and unity is the last thing on everyone's mind.
Spot on Chilleb. And you hit a nerve with that Dave Edwards comment.. History isn't being taught and loyalty isn't being valued.. In Oakland everyone wants to play for the soldiers .. Can you imagine NY with 2 or 3 great teams? Shane Rector played for the Playaz this summer for goodness sake. Ok back on topic. Jon Severe....
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But back to severe his skill set is a dime a dozen if we're aiming for elite level talent from here on out. ( I would prefer Jordan) but severe is one notch below elite in my book. He shoots it, handles it, nice size, and has a ton of heart. He'd be a stud in the A10 or sec or big 10 dosent matter , whatever team lands this kid there getting a player. And btw are you guys aware that he cracked the 150 rankings? I think that should put the mid-major talk to bed. If he believed he was mid-major good he would have committed to one a year ago. The big fish that shows him the most love is gonna be a happy camper. If rutgers is gonna be the one then hey kudos to Rice.
How does he compare to a player like Sean Kilpatrick? I've never seen Severe play, but just wondering.
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But back to severe his skill set is a dime a dozen if we're aiming for elite level talent from here on out. ( I would prefer Jordan) but severe is one notch below elite in my book. He shoots it, handles it, nice size, and has a ton of heart. He'd be a stud in the A10 or sec or big 10 dosent matter , whatever team lands this kid there getting a player. And btw are you guys aware that he cracked the 150 rankings? I think that should put the mid-major talk to bed. If he believed he was mid-major good he would have committed to one a year ago. The big fish that shows him the most love is gonna be a happy camper. If rutgers is gonna be the one then hey kudos to Rice.
How does he compare to a player like Sean Kilpatrick? I've never seen Severe play, but just wondering.
Different skill sets but same type of player as far as being a great college player by junior year.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King shooting guard Jon Severe has changed his mind and decided he's not ready to pick a school yet, he tells me.”
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Don't know what interest connotes, but Chilleb may have a point about this kid's development.
“@NYPost_Brazille: Indiana has showed interest in Christ the King's Jon Severe per @TheRecruitScoop. Senior starting to blow up.”
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Don't know what interest connotes, but Chilleb may have a point about this kid's development.
“@NYPost_Brazille: Indiana has showed interest in Christ the King's Jon Severe per @TheRecruitScoop. Senior starting to blow up.”
If we don't land Jordan someone get chiles to CTK ASAP!!!
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Don't know what interest connotes, but Chilleb may have a point about this kid's development.
“@NYPost_Brazille: Indiana has showed interest in Christ the King's Jon Severe per @TheRecruitScoop. Senior starting to blow up.”
If we don't land Jordan someone get chiles to CTK ASAP!!!
Really a fan of his game as you know.. But I hope this isn't a case of a kid choosing to sign late and then being over recruited due to the fact that he is one of the best players left in his class . Indiana ? C'mon go to a Rhode Island type school and do damage from day 1.
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Grasso
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“@CNG_Staszewski: Christ the King surging after strong Mass. tournament play http://t.co/U7fthsTj (http://t.co/U7fthsTj) via @TimesLedger”
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Only if..
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“@CNG_Staszewski: Christ the King surging after strong Mass. tournament play http://t.co/U7fthsTj (http://t.co/U7fthsTj) via @TimesLedger”
Is this kid fuchs any good? I see he has a lot of mid major and low high major offers (rivals claims Florida has offered) plus interest from some big boys.
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“@CNG_Staszewski: Christ the King surging after strong Mass. tournament play http://t.co/U7fthsTj (http://t.co/U7fthsTj) via @TimesLedger”
Is this kid fuchs any good? I see he has a lot of mid major and low high major offers (rivals claims Florida has offered) plus interest from some big boys.
He has zero chance of going to a Florida type school to play basketball.. But he could in football.
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“@CNG_Staszewski: Christ the King surging after strong Mass. tournament play http://t.co/U7fthsTj (http://t.co/U7fthsTj) via @TimesLedger”
Is this kid fuchs any good? I see he has a lot of mid major and low high major offers (rivals claims Florida has offered) plus interest from some big boys.
He has zero chance of going to a Florida type school to play basketball.. But he could in football.
+1
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“@CNG_Staszewski: Christ the King surging after strong Mass. tournament play http://t.co/U7fthsTj (http://t.co/U7fthsTj) via @TimesLedger”
Is this kid fuchs any good? I see he has a lot of mid major and low high major offers (rivals claims Florida has offered) plus interest from some big boys.
Gothca, thanks. Haven't heard the name before seeing it in that article.
He has zero chance of going to a Florida type school to play basketball.. But he could in football.
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Just seen him play at Xaverian. Poured in 28.
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Just seen him play at Xaverian. Poured in 28.
How was Latiek Laney for Xaverian ?
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“@Dylan_Butler: Alabama was in Bay Ridge to recruit Severe #msgvrecruit”
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Latiek was in foul trouble all game and couldn't stay on floor. Had 4 points I think.
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“@Dylan_Butler: Alabama was in Bay Ridge to recruit Severe #msgvrecruit”
Let me guess, is he still being over-recruited?
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“@Dylan_Butler: Alabama was in Bay Ridge to recruit Severe #msgvrecruit”
Let me guess, is he still being over-recruited?
Yes
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“@Dylan_Butler: Alabama was in Bay Ridge to recruit Severe #msgvrecruit”
Let me guess, is he still being over-recruited?
Yes
When are you gonna let my boy off the hook, im almost ready to start saying hes better than terrence samuel. 3rd best guard behind whitehead and carrington. Had 25 against xaverian 17 in the first half, did you catch that one?
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“@Dylan_Butler: Alabama was in Bay Ridge to recruit Severe #msgvrecruit”
Let me guess, is he still being over-recruited?
Yes
When are you gonna let my boy off the hook, im almost ready to start saying hes better than terrence samuel. 3rd best guard behind whitehead and carrington. Had 25 against xaverian 17 in the first half, did you catch that one?
He is better than Samuel. I said many times that I like his game a lot.. I also like him better then Carrington. Problem is that he is a 6'2 ( pushing it) shooting guard. He just isn't a point guard and if he was I'd say our staff was nuts for not recruiting him. This is the only reason i say he should go a-10 etc. he could just dominate from day one. If he goes higher he stands the chance of getting over recruited because of size. That's it. Nothing else.
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Think we start showing serious interest?
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“@Dylan_Butler: Alabama was in Bay Ridge to recruit Severe #msgvrecruit”
Let me guess, is he still being over-recruited?
Yes
When are you gonna let my boy off the hook, im almost ready to start saying hes better than terrence samuel. 3rd best guard behind whitehead and carrington. Had 25 against xaverian 17 in the first half, did you catch that one?
He is better than Samuel. I said many times that I like his game a lot.. I also like him better then Carrington. Problem is that he is a 6'2 ( pushing it) shooting guard. He just isn't a point guard and if he was I'd say our staff was nuts for not recruiting him. This is the only reason i say he should go a-10 etc. he could just dominate from day one. If he goes higher he stands the chance of getting over recruited because of size. That's it. Nothing else.
Yea he's better than Samuel , uconn is in for some over recruited talent next year because Kentan is just that. But I believe sever can make the transition to on the ball with the right coaching, he has a great feel and can shoot the ball, think about it when other did Dwight hardy play point up until his senior year?and I think severe is a step quicker and more athletic than hardy, hardy just has balls of steel.
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Any chance he preps? I'd take him in '14
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Any chance he preps? I'd take him in '14
His academics are supposedly very good.
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“@Dylan_Butler: Alabama was in Bay Ridge to recruit Severe #msgvrecruit”
Let me guess, is he still being over-recruited?
Yes
When are you gonna let my boy off the hook, im almost ready to start saying hes better than terrence samuel. 3rd best guard behind whitehead and carrington. Had 25 against xaverian 17 in the first half, did you catch that one?
He is better than Samuel. I said many times that I like his game a lot.. I also like him better then Carrington. Problem is that he is a 6'2 ( pushing it) shooting guard. He just isn't a point guard and if he was I'd say our staff was nuts for not recruiting him. This is the only reason i say he should go a-10 etc. he could just dominate from day one. If he goes higher he stands the chance of getting over recruited because of size. That's it. Nothing else.
Yea he's better than Samuel , uconn is in for some over recruited talent next year because Kentan is just that. But I believe sever can make the transition to on the ball with the right coaching, he has a great feel and can shoot the ball, think about it when other did Dwight hardy play point up until his senior year?and I think severe is a step quicker and more athletic than hardy, hardy just has balls of steel.
Agree to disagree :). It would be better for him to go lower IMO :). But do like the kid .
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Any chance he preps? I'd take him in '14
His academics are supposedly very good.
Then he is off our list
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“@Dylan_Butler: Alabama was in Bay Ridge to recruit Severe #msgvrecruit”
Let me guess, is he still being over-recruited?
Yes
When are you gonna let my boy off the hook, im almost ready to start saying hes better than terrence samuel. 3rd best guard behind whitehead and carrington. Had 25 against xaverian 17 in the first half, did you catch that one?
He is better than Samuel. I said many times that I like his game a lot.. I also like him better then Carrington. Problem is that he is a 6'2 ( pushing it) shooting guard. He just isn't a point guard and if he was I'd say our staff was nuts for not recruiting him. This is the only reason i say he should go a-10 etc. he could just dominate from day one. If he goes higher he stands the chance of getting over recruited because of size. That's it. Nothing else.
Yea he's better than Samuel , uconn is in for some over recruited talent next year because Kentan is just that. But I believe sever can make the transition to on the ball with the right coaching, he has a great feel and can shoot the ball, think about it when other did Dwight hardy play point up until his senior year?and I think severe is a step quicker and more athletic than hardy, hardy just has balls of steel.
Agree to disagree :). It would be better for him to go lower IMO :). But do like the kid .
Think he could be a cj McCullough type if he goes lower?
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“@Dylan_Butler: Alabama was in Bay Ridge to recruit Severe #msgvrecruit”
Let me guess, is he still being over-recruited?
Yes
When are you gonna let my boy off the hook, im almost ready to start saying hes better than terrence samuel. 3rd best guard behind whitehead and carrington. Had 25 against xaverian 17 in the first half, did you catch that one?
He is better than Samuel. I said many times that I like his game a lot.. I also like him better then Carrington. Problem is that he is a 6'2 ( pushing it) shooting guard. He just isn't a point guard and if he was I'd say our staff was nuts for not recruiting him. This is the only reason i say he should go a-10 etc. he could just dominate from day one. If he goes higher he stands the chance of getting over recruited because of size. That's it. Nothing else.
Yea he's better than Samuel , uconn is in for some over recruited talent next year because Kentan is just that. But I believe sever can make the transition to on the ball with the right coaching, he has a great feel and can shoot the ball, think about it when other did Dwight hardy play point up until his senior year?and I think severe is a step quicker and more athletic than hardy, hardy just has balls of steel.
Agree to disagree :). It would be better for him to go lower IMO :). But do like the kid .
Think he could be a cj McCullough type if he goes lower?
It would be wonderful if he had that type of career in college. McCullough did it the right way and now he will be playing for pay for a very long time because of it.
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I have never seen this kid play. But Russ Smith couldn't get a sniff out of Molloy. He was the type of kid labeled as "too small", "not a Big East player". Now he's one of the best guards in the country. If the kid has heart, and the work ethic, you never know what he can turn into. Sounds like this kid can score the ball.
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I have never seen this kid play. But Russ Smith couldn't get a sniff out of Molloy. He was the type of kid labeled as "too small", "not a Big East player". Now he's one of the best guards in the country. If the kid has heart, and the work ethic, you never know what he can turn into. Sounds like this kid can score the ball.
Russ made himself into some type of college player in his senior season. Before that he was making Pitino lose hair :). Severe can play and he can play at Big east level.. Difference between him and Russ though is about 30mph. Holy crap is Russ fast. My argument with Chileb was never about Severe's talent.. I just would hate to see him not get a full opportunity to excel from day one . Things change and if we miss out on Lawrence and Jordan .. Maybe we show interest .. But there are schools who have been recruiting him since his sophmore season and the kid is very loyal .
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I have never seen this kid play. But Russ Smith couldn't get a sniff out of Molloy. He was the type of kid labeled as "too small", "not a Big East player". Now he's one of the best guards in the country. If the kid has heart, and the work ethic, you never know what he can turn into. Sounds like this kid can score the ball.
Russ made himself into some type of college player in his senior season. Before that he was making Pitino lose hair :). Severe can play and he can play at Big east level.. Difference between him and Russ though is about 30mph. Holy crap is Russ fast. My argument with Chileb was never about Severe's talent.. I just would hate to see him not get a full opportunity to excel from day one . Things change and if we miss out on Lawrence and Jordan .. Maybe we show interest .. But there are schools who have been recruiting him since his sophmore season and the kid is very loyal .
Smith is a junior I thought.
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I have never seen this kid play. But Russ Smith couldn't get a sniff out of Molloy. He was the type of kid labeled as "too small", "not a Big East player". Now he's one of the best guards in the country. If the kid has heart, and the work ethic, you never know what he can turn into. Sounds like this kid can score the ball.
Russ made himself into some type of college player in his senior season. Before that he was making Pitino lose hair :). Severe can play and he can play at Big east level.. Difference between him and Russ though is about 30mph. Holy crap is Russ fast. My argument with Chileb was never about Severe's talent.. I just would hate to see him not get a full opportunity to excel from day one . Things change and if we miss out on Lawrence and Jordan .. Maybe we show interest .. But there are schools who have been recruiting him since his sophmore season and the kid is very loyal .
Smith is a junior I thought.
You are right .. Damn I feel like he has been at Louisville forever .
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I have never seen this kid play. But Russ Smith couldn't get a sniff out of Molloy. He was the type of kid labeled as "too small", "not a Big East player". Now he's one of the best guards in the country. If the kid has heart, and the work ethic, you never know what he can turn into. Sounds like this kid can score the ball.
Russ made himself into some type of college player in his senior season. Before that he was making Pitino lose hair :). Severe can play and he can play at Big east level.. Difference between him and Russ though is about 30mph. Holy crap is Russ fast. My argument with Chileb was never about Severe's talent.. I just would hate to see him not get a full opportunity to excel from day one . Things change and if we miss out on Lawrence and Jordan .. Maybe we show interest .. But there are schools who have been recruiting him since his sophmore season and the kid is very loyal .
Smith is a junior I thought.
You are right .. Damn I feel like he has been at Louisville forever .
It sure seems that way huh
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I get on the staff for not going after more targets.. But I guess at least we don't waste time going after kids. I was told tonight that Fordham is throwing everything but the kitchen sink at Severe. Now that's a waste of time .
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Chilleb, why can't he get 40? Ha!
“@CNG_Staszewski: Christ the King beats Mount 77-56. Jon Severe had 39 for the Royals. #boyshoops”
Oops!
“@NYCHoops: Contrary to reports, George Washington still interested in Jon Severe as head coach watched him score 41pts vs. Mt. St. Michael tonight.”
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Chilleb, why can't he get 40? Ha!
“@CNG_Staszewski: Christ the King beats Mount 77-56. Jon Severe had 39 for the Royals. #boyshoops”
Oops!
“@NYCHoops: Contrary to reports, George Washington still interested in Jon Severe as head coach watched him score 41pts vs. Mt. St. Michael tonight.”
I'm trying to tell them paultz, he's better than GW
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Chilleb, why can't he get 40? Ha!
“@CNG_Staszewski: Christ the King beats Mount 77-56. Jon Severe had 39 for the Royals. #boyshoops”
Oops!
“@NYCHoops: Contrary to reports, George Washington still interested in Jon Severe as head coach watched him score 41pts vs. Mt. St. Michael tonight.”
I'm trying to tell them paultz, he's better than GW
The kid is taking about 30 shots a game and turns the ball over way too much. He plays like Russ Smith did at Molloy except Smith had far more basketball skills while Severe is just more athletic than everybody at the hs level. Hes not a big conference player
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Chilleb, why can't he get 40? Ha!
“@CNG_Staszewski: Christ the King beats Mount 77-56. Jon Severe had 39 for the Royals. #boyshoops”
Oops!
“@NYCHoops: Contrary to reports, George Washington still interested in Jon Severe as head coach watched him score 41pts vs. Mt. St. Michael tonight.”
I'm trying to tell them paultz, he's better than GW
The kid is taking about 30 shots a game and turns the ball over way too much. He plays like Russ Smith did at Molloy except Smith had far more basketball skills while Severe is just more athletic than everybody at the hs level. Hes not a big conference player
Ok.. We will see
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Chilleb, why can't he get 40? Ha!
“@CNG_Staszewski: Christ the King beats Mount 77-56. Jon Severe had 39 for the Royals. #boyshoops”
Oops!
“@NYCHoops: Contrary to reports, George Washington still interested in Jon Severe as head coach watched him score 41pts vs. Mt. St. Michael tonight.”
I'm trying to tell them paultz, he's better than GW
The kid is taking about 30 shots a game and turns the ball over way too much. He plays like Russ Smith did at Molloy except Smith had far more basketball skills while Severe is just more athletic than everybody at the hs level. Hes not a big conference player
Ok.. We will see
More athletic than russ smith? Smith is the quickest kid ive seen all year.
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Chilleb, why can't he get 40? Ha!
“@CNG_Staszewski: Christ the King beats Mount 77-56. Jon Severe had 39 for the Royals. #boyshoops”
Oops!
“@NYCHoops: Contrary to reports, George Washington still interested in Jon Severe as head coach watched him score 41pts vs. Mt. St. Michael tonight.”
I'm trying to tell them paultz, he's better than GW
The kid is taking about 30 shots a game and turns the ball over way too much. He plays like Russ Smith did at Molloy except Smith had far more basketball skills while Severe is just more athletic than everybody at the hs level. Hes not a big conference player
Ok.. We will see
More athletic than russ smith? Smith is the quickest kid ive seen all year.
I don't think he meant more athletic than Smith. More athletic than people he plays now I read it as.
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Chilleb, why can't he get 40? Ha!
“@CNG_Staszewski: Christ the King beats Mount 77-56. Jon Severe had 39 for the Royals. #boyshoops”
Oops!
“@NYCHoops: Contrary to reports, George Washington still interested in Jon Severe as head coach watched him score 41pts vs. Mt. St. Michael tonight.”
I'm trying to tell them paultz, he's better than GW
The kid is taking about 30 shots a game and turns the ball over way too much. He plays like Russ Smith did at Molloy except Smith had far more basketball skills while Severe is just more athletic than everybody at the hs level. Hes not a big conference player
Ok.. We will see
More athletic than russ smith? Smith is the quickest kid ive seen all year.
I don't think he meant more athletic than Smith. More athletic than people he plays now I read it as.
Yea I think your right. Still when I saw him play I thought his skills stood out more than his athleticism.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Seton Hall will see Christ the King's Jon Severe @jsevere23 tonight, I'm told. The senior has become very popular.”
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Queensfinest also will be in attendance. First time seeing Severe and want to see the two sophs from St. Rays.
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Queensfinest also will be in attendance. First time seeing Severe and want to see the two sophs from St. Rays.
The two kids on St. Rays are a real treat supposedly.
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Seton Hall with 2 coaches at the CTK - ST Rays game tonight to see Jon.. Also a certain ex St. John's and CTK grad talking to Jon before and after the game.. Could it be a prelude to us recruiting him?? Btw CTK won in overtime.
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Seton Hall with 2 coaches at the CTK - ST Rays game tonight to see Jon.. Also a certain ex St. John's and CTK grad talking to Jon before and after the game.. Could it be a prelude to us recruiting him?? Btw CTK won in overtime.
Maybe as alternative to Rysheed should that not be going our way. Not bad to have a local kid who can shoot.
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Also a certain ex St. John's and CTK grad talking to Jon before and after the game..
Good old Carl Beckett always looking out for us. ;D
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Also a certain ex St. John's and CTK grad talking to Jon before and after the game..
Good old Carl Beckett always looking out for us. ;D
Not Carl.. Think much shorter :)
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Seton Hall with 2 coaches at the CTK - ST Rays game tonight to see Jon.. Also a certain ex St. John's and CTK grad talking to Jon before and after the game.. Could it be a prelude to us recruiting him?? Btw CTK won in overtime.
Boothe?
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Seton Hall with 2 coaches at the CTK - ST Rays game tonight to see Jon.. Also a certain ex St. John's and CTK grad talking to Jon before and after the game.. Could it be a prelude to us recruiting him?? Btw CTK won in overtime.
Boothe?
Thats what I would guess.
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@ctkcoachjarbs
Christ the King 94 St Raymonds 92 in overtime. Jon Severe 35 pts 5 assists, Jordan Fuchs 18 pts 8 reb, Malik Harmon 17 pts, 5 reb,7 assists
BTW, Arbs was one of my history teachers back in the day at King before he was HC. Good guy, funny guy. That's really all I can add.
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Seton Hall with 2 coaches at the CTK - ST Rays game tonight to see Jon.. Also a certain ex St. John's and CTK grad talking to Jon before and after the game.. Could it be a prelude to us recruiting him?? Btw CTK won in overtime.
Boothe?
Yes sir.
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You were there Happy? Man that game was wild!! CTK won in OT 94-92. Got there late (middle of 3rd), Severe is a reckless scorer. He actually missed every outside shot I saw him take (about 4) but you can tell he has a knack for finishing everything at the rim, definitely not just a shooter. Also missed a couple FT including one under two minutes that would have tied it but made up for it when he his drive and finish sent the game to OT.
Obviously a very small sample for me but not sure he's a great fit for us. Talented, but he doesn't even look like a combo to me, straight 2. Even though they lost, the star of the game to me was Jaquan McKennon from St. Rays. Kid has a chance to be really good
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You were there Happy? Man that game was wild!! CTK won in OT 94-92. Got there late (middle of 3rd), Severe is a reckless scorer. He actually missed every outside shot I saw him take (about 4) but you can tell he has a knack for finishing everything at the rim, definitely not just a shooter. Also missed a couple FT including one under two minutes that would have tied it but made up for it when he his drive and finish sent the game to OT.
Obviously a very small sample for me but not sure he's a great fit for us. Talented, but he doesn't even look like a combo to me, straight 2. Even though they lost, the star of the game to me was Jaquan McKennon from St. Rays. Kid has a chance to be really good
Anything on Santos?
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You were there Happy? Man that game was wild!! CTK won in OT 94-92. Got there late (middle of 3rd), Severe is a reckless scorer. He actually missed every outside shot I saw him take (about 4) but you can tell he has a knack for finishing everything at the rim, definitely not just a shooter. Also missed a couple FT including one under two minutes that would have tied it but made up for it when he his drive and finish sent the game to OT.
Obviously a very small sample for me but not sure he's a great fit for us. Talented, but he doesn't even look like a combo to me, straight 2. Even though they lost, the star of the game to me was Jaquan McKennon from St. Rays. Kid has a chance to be really good
Anything on Santos?
Unfortunately I couldn't make it due to work but I literally got play by play by a buddy who said Santos had a off game which surprises me considering how dominant he was against Hayes . He said similar things that Severe was chucking and Mckennon was tough. This kid is the next really good tough NYC guard. Only drawback is he is pretty small.. But he plays like a pitbull on the court. Ray's in a couple of years are going to be silly . They are so young with the exception of Shawn Jones ( who every local mid major should be on ). Friend told me Severe wouldn't stop talking to Malik before and after game.. Not sure if that means anything.. But I do agree with Queensfinest that he while good isn't what we need.
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He obviously did what he had to do to win a tough game that went to OT, c'mon if he had to go 12-25 to win the game then I'm all for it, kid had 35 and 8 can we cut him some slack and look at the positive that he is very very talented. And McKennon is forreal, year after year queens lets the big fish get away.
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Speaking of a Malik Boothe, I can totally see him being in line for a position on the staff in the future.
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Man I don't know what would happen if Severe chose STJ. Chilleb might start posting like every other minute. ;)
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Man I don't know what would happen if Severe chose STJ. Chilleb might start posting like every other minute. ;)
He would appear to be a big east type player, I just don't think there is a need for him. If you are bringing in a guard, I want someone who can play some point guard otherwise wait to the 2014 class.
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If he has a knack for scoring than ill take him.
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Man I don't know what would happen if Severe chose STJ. Chilleb might start posting like every other minute. ;)
Ha! Might be on to something. To be honest I would prefer Jordan.
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Hey Moose, I posted a little something in the Santos recruiting thread also...but like I said I missed a big chunk of the game. He didn't do much scoring from what i saw and was a little quiet overall but its easy to tell he's talented. He's already a big body and is very defined for just being a sophomore. He was pretty active on defense, had a few blocks including a couple clutch ones on Severe and got whistled on a few tough calls and got discouraged.
No offense Chilleb, I think Severe is talented..but hopefully we lock up Rysheed Jordan and its a moot point :)
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Hey Moose, I posted a little something in the Santos recruiting thread also...but like I said I missed a big chunk of the game. He didn't do much scoring from what i saw and was a little quiet overall but its easy to tell he's talented. He's already a big body and is very defined for just being a sophomore. He was pretty active on defense, had a few blocks including a couple clutch ones on Severe and got whistled on a few tough calls and got discouraged.
No offense Chilleb, I think Severe is talented..but hopefully we lock up Rysheed Jordan and its a moot point :)
Ditto, want Jordan more than severe
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This kid will not play for SJU. He is an A10 level player who puts up big numbers because he shoots its non stop...
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This kid will not play for SJU. He is an A10 level player who puts up big numbers because he shoots its non stop...
Bingo
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Russ Smith wasn't good enough to play here either.
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Russ Smith wasn't good enough to play here either.
Disagree.
Russ Smith was good enough.
Norm was just incompetent in recruiting him. And we sucked so bad Russ' dad wouldnt want him coming here.
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The big focus with Lavin is 2014 and 2015 outside of Lawrence and Jordan for 2013.
Things would have to drastically change for someone like Severe to get on the SJU radar for 2013.
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Chilleb's man going south?
“@AdamZagoria: Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello tells @SNYtv Alabama HC Anthony Grant "really likes" 2013 G Jon Severe and "wants him to visit."”
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Had 32 against Molloy today. Scorer!
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Had 32 against Molloy today. Scorer!
alot of guys can score 32 points when they shoot the ball 40 times
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Had 32 against Molloy today. Scorer!
alot of guys can score 32 points when they shoot the ball 40 times
http://www.ctkhoops.com/index.cfm?page=PlayerBio&TeamID=883&SeasonID=1536&ID=20970 (http://www.ctkhoops.com/index.cfm?page=PlayerBio&TeamID=883&SeasonID=1536&ID=20970)
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alot of guys can score 32 points when they shoot the ball 40 times
Kid is a huge chucker
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To tell the truth, I'd rather have shooter/scorers like Severe coming off the bench than guys like Marco who really don't have the skill set nor pace for this level. Ive never seen the kid play, but I know we could use another scorer/ shooter at the guard spots. Obviously Rysheed is the one we want, but a kid like Severe sounds like he could really help us down the road if we didn't land Rysheed. some guys turn out like Russ Smith. Others contribute as the 6th, 7th or 8th man. NYC kids like these can help on the bench, even if they're not initially upper D1 material. I'd venture to guess that when we have needed sme scoring punch this season, if we had a kid like Severe on the bench, we might be able to use him.
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To tell the truth, I'd rather have shooter/scorers like Severe coming off the bench than guys like Marco who really don't have the skill set nor pace for this level. Ive never seen the kid play, but I know we could use another scorer/ shooter at the guard spots. Obviously Rysheed is the one we want, but a kid like Severe sounds like he could really help us down the road if we didn't land Rysheed. some guys turn out like Russ Smith. Others contribute as the 6th, 7th or 8th man. NYC kids like these can help on the bench, even if they're not initially upper D1 material. I'd venture to guess that when we have needed sme scoring punch this season, if we had a kid like Severe on the bench, we might be able to use him.
Seriously - have you seen this kid play..? To compare him to Russ Smith is nuts.
As for Marco - we have no ida what his skills are or are not, he nevers plays.
He is an A10 level player at best and is only getting more attention because he is putting up big numbers.
To keep it in prespective - Mike Cavataio put up huge nunbers his Senior year at St. Francis Prep too and he did it against better competition in the CHSAA.
Severe is a good low major player at best - Lavin wants to recruits kids that are potential pros in his eyes and this kid is not.
There was a reason that schools like URI were all over him in the Fall...
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He would be better served attending Duquesne where he would get a lot of time out of the gate.
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To tell the truth, I'd rather have shooter/scorers like Severe coming off the bench than guys like Marco who really don't have the skill set nor pace for this level. Ive never seen the kid play, but I know we could use another scorer/ shooter at the guard spots. Obviously Rysheed is the one we want, but a kid like Severe sounds like he could really help us down the road if we didn't land Rysheed. some guys turn out like Russ Smith. Others contribute as the 6th, 7th or 8th man. NYC kids like these can help on the bench, even if they're not initially upper D1 material. I'd venture to guess that when we have needed sme scoring punch this season, if we had a kid like Severe on the bench, we might be able to use him.
Seriously - have you seen this kid play..? To compare him to Russ Smith is nuts.
As for Marco - we have no ida what his skills are or are not, he nevers plays.
He is an A10 level player at best and is only getting more attention because he is putting up big numbers.
To keep it in prespective - Mike Cavataio put up huge nunbers his Senior year at St. Francis Prep too and he did it against better competition in the CHSAA.
Severe is a good low major player at best - Lavin wants to recruits kids that are potential pros in his eyes and this kid is not.
There was a reason that schools like URI were all over him in the Fall...
I didn't compare him to Russ smith. You should read correctly. I just said that once in a while, kids not projected to be playing at this level can offer some help whether as a starter or 10th man. I can see perfectly what Marco offers us. He doesn't have the skill set for this level. His release is slow, and his decision making is slow as well. He doesn't pay because not only can't he get a shot off but he also turns it over almost immediately when pressured. Just don't mind having a NYC kid on the bench with some scoring skills. It doesn't have to be Severe.
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The link Gonzalo posted shows him shooting 52%. How's he a chucker? Never seen him play. Can't comment on how good he is, but his numbers are fairly impressive. CK consistently puts out good players. If he can do it there, I'm sure he will be a good D1 player.
Peolple killed Norm for missing out on locals like Charles Jenkins and the big guy from Andrew Jackson who played well in the NCAAs last year; but we are sure that Severe can't contribute here? Btw, he actually does sound a lot like Russ Smith. I posted that Smith would never see the floor because of Siva and the fact that Pitino would recruit over him. I was wrong. I'm not sure Severe fills our need right now but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to contribute at this level.
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The link Gonzalo posted shows him shooting 52%. How's he a chucker? Never seen him play. Can't comment on how good he is, but his numbers are fairly impressive. CK consistently puts out good players. If he can do it there, I'm sure he will be a good D1 player.
Peolple killed Norm for missing out on locals like Charles Jenkins and the big guy from Andrew Jackson who played well in the NCAAs last year; but we are sure that Severe can't contribute here? Btw, he actually does sound a lot like Russ Smith. I posted that Smith would never see the floor because of Siva and the fact that Pitino would recruit over him. I was wrong. I'm not sure Severe fills our need right now but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to contribute at this level.
Kyle O'Quinn was on nobody's radar at all. Even Norm can't take heat for that.
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The link Gonzalo posted shows him shooting 52%. How's he a chucker? Never seen him play. Can't comment on how good he is, but his numbers are fairly impressive. CK consistently puts out good players. If he can do it there, I'm sure he will be a good D1 player.
Peolple killed Norm for missing out on locals like Charles Jenkins and the big guy from Andrew Jackson who played well in the NCAAs last year; but we are sure that Severe can't contribute here? Btw, he actually does sound a lot like Russ Smith. I posted that Smith would never see the floor because of Siva and the fact that Pitino would recruit over him. I was wrong. I'm not sure Severe fills our need right now but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to contribute at this level.
If Louisville starts recruiting Severe then I'll be impressed and upset with Lavin for not doing so.
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The link Gonzalo posted shows him shooting 52%. How's he a chucker? Never seen him play. Can't comment on how good he is, but his numbers are fairly impressive. CK consistently puts out good players. If he can do it there, I'm sure he will be a good D1 player.
Peolple killed Norm for missing out on locals like Charles Jenkins and the big guy from Andrew Jackson who played well in the NCAAs last year; but we are sure that Severe can't contribute here? Btw, he actually does sound a lot like Russ Smith. I posted that Smith would never see the floor because of Siva and the fact that Pitino would recruit over him. I was wrong. I'm not sure Severe fills our need right now but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to contribute at this level.
If Louisville starts recruiting Severe then I'll be impressed and upset with Lavin for not doing so.
Might be too late then. Lol.
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The link Gonzalo posted shows him shooting 52%. How's he a chucker? Never seen him play. Can't comment on how good he is, but his numbers are fairly impressive. CK consistently puts out good players. If he can do it there, I'm sure he will be a good D1 player.
Peolple killed Norm for missing out on locals like Charles Jenkins and the big guy from Andrew Jackson who played well in the NCAAs last year; but we are sure that Severe can't contribute here? Btw, he actually does sound a lot like Russ Smith. I posted that Smith would never see the floor because of Siva and the fact that Pitino would recruit over him. I was wrong. I'm not sure Severe fills our need right now but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to contribute at this level.
If Louisville starts recruiting Severe then I'll be impressed and upset with Lavin for not doing so.
Might be too late then. Lol.
You are right Lol
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The link Gonzalo posted shows him shooting 52%. How's he a chucker? Never seen him play. Can't comment on how good he is, but his numbers are fairly impressive. CK consistently puts out good players. If he can do it there, I'm sure he will be a good D1 player.
Peolple killed Norm for missing out on locals like Charles Jenkins and the big guy from Andrew Jackson who played well in the NCAAs last year; but we are sure that Severe can't contribute here? Btw, he actually does sound a lot like Russ Smith. I posted that Smith would never see the floor because of Siva and the fact that Pitino would recruit over him. I was wrong. I'm not sure Severe fills our need right now but that doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to contribute at this level.
There is no way those FGA stats are correct. Ive been to a few CK games this year and he took at least 20 shots in a couple of them but his stats show his season high for attempts in a game is 18. This kid is not a big east player. Also look at how many times he turns the ball over a game. He is completely out of control with the ball far too often. He gets away with it alot at the hs level but smart college defenders will have a field day with that
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This guy gets talked about more than the recruits we are actually interested in. Why?
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This guy gets talked about more than the recruits we are actually interested in. Why?
Because talking about the two recruits were after gets boring.
Lets shake it up :)
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Lastly, Jon Severe says St. John's has expressed interest through his AAU coach. #stjbb
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This guy gets talked about more than the recruits we are actually interested in. Why?
because he posts here under the name chilleb :)
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Lastly, Jon Severe says St. John's has expressed interest through his AAU coach. #stjbb
Cue Chilleb..................
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Lastly, Jon Severe says St. John's has expressed interest through his AAU coach. #stjbb
Cue Chilleb..................
I rather Jordan , but if not I wouldn't mind 8)... Look there were a lot of people who saw king last year and said severe was better than Calhoun, now everybody wants to make him out to be a jacker. If your getting 35+ in highschool 9 times out of ten your taking 20 shots. This is highschool were talking about you become an efficient 45 % field goal guy on the next level not when your the man on your highschool varsity. Give credit where credits due. Isn't he still rivals top 150 also?
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Lastly, Jon Severe says St. John's has expressed interest through his AAU coach. #stjbb
Cue Chilleb..................
I rather Jordan , but if not I wouldn't mind 8)... Look there were a lot of people who saw king last year and said severe was better than Calhoun, now everybody wants to make him out to be a jacker. If your getting 35+ in highschool 9 times out of ten your taking 20 shots. This is highschool were talking about you become an efficient 45 % field goal guy on the next level not when your the man on your highschool varsity. Give credit where credits due. Isn't he still rivals top 150 also?
Not in Rivals 150
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I wouldn't put too much stock in this "interest."
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I wouldn't put too much stock in this "interest."
Severe does not provide ability to play the 1. If we don't land Jordan then I would say hold the ship for 2014 class. Even if we lose 2 guys and just land Lawrence. Nothing wrong with having the extra ship for 14 even if we end up having 4 ships if guys leave early.
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Are we showing any intrest in ctk centerdelarosa? Pitt and gtown showing intrest.
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Are we showing any intrest in ctk centerdelarosa? Pitt and gtown showing intrest.
That would be big reach IMO if those schools had serious interest.
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Are we showing any intrest in ctk centerdelarosa? Pitt and gtown showing intrest.
That would be big reach IMO if those schools had serious interest.
Huge reach
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Thanks guys. Rivals had a story saying pitt showing interest rcently. Claiming gtown has offered.
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Severe listed.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Lastly, Jon Severe says St. John's has expressed interest through his AAU coach. #stjbb
Good
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I wouldn't put too much stock in this "interest."
Whether we are interested or "interested," anything that keeps us in the good graces of schools like CtK is OK by me. They may eventually produce another Khalid Reeves, and we'll want to keep him home this time.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Wake Forest calls for Christ the King's Jon Severe @Jsevere23 and St. John's put in another call. New school every day for the senior #stjbb”
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@NYPost_Brazille
Ok, last Jon Severe update of the night. He talked to coaches from West Virginia, St. John's (Tony Chiles) and Tennessee tonight.
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
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Chille, I guess it should be asked at this point, where SJU stands on the kid's scale of interest?
As I said before, I haven't seen a lot of him except Internet stuff, but he looks like a good instinctual shooter/scorer that certainly needs to be guarded.
I just know that we certainly could add another scorer to this roster. Should SJU not land Rysheed, I don't think our roster would be hurt by a scorer like this one, even if he's not currently a top 60 kid.
I think we could do a lot worse than a recruiting class of Lawrence and Severe. Two local kids who could both potentially help us in areas of need.
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There is no way those FGA stats are correct. Ive been to a few CK games this year and he took at least 20 shots in a couple of them but his stats show his season high for attempts in a game is 18.
The FGA and FGM are only from 2 points range. Its like the stats in Europe: you don´t add the 2 and the 3 pointers.
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
The reach ppl referred to was De La Rosa not Severe
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The question in my mind is how important immediate and substantial playing time is to Severe? Chilleb?
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
The reach ppl referred to was De La Rosa not Severe
I know moose, but some people on the board said severe Would be a reach as well and is "clearly" not a big conference player, hence me asking if cuonzo and huggy are sipping the wrong kool aid as well? And there not, severe is and would be a nice addition because he can handle and play make as well.
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The question in my mind is how important immediate and substantial playing time is to Severe? Chilleb?
He plays ahead of Greene right away on my team. But that just me, to be honest I think we need either a pure point with offensive ability preferably able to knock down a 3 or some more size/girth if rysheed elects to go elsewhere. Severe is plan C
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The question in my mind is how important immediate and substantial playing time is to Severe? Chilleb?
He plays ahead of Greene right away on my team. But that just me, to be honest I think we need either a pure point with offensive ability preferably able to knock down a 3 or some more size/girth if rysheed elects to go elsewhere. Severe is plan C
Thanks Chille!
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
The reach ppl referred to was De La Rosa not Severe
I know moose, but some people on the board said severe Would be a reach as well and is "clearly" not a big conference player, hence me asking if cuonzo and huggy are sipping the wrong kool aid as well? And there not, severe is and would be a nice addition because he can handle and play make as well.
Its not a crazy reach. I don't think people thought it was a big reach. I just wanted to make sure you realized me and Happy were mostly talking about De La Rosa. As for Severe he can go to the A-10 and on most teams get to play right away and do well. The jump from A-10 to BE is not huge by any means.
I've said a couple of times if he was 2014 I'd be all over him. If I took him next year he should redshirt IMO.
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
The reach ppl referred to was De La Rosa not Severe
I know moose, but some people on the board said severe Would be a reach as well and is "clearly" not a big conference player, hence me asking if cuonzo and huggy are sipping the wrong kool aid as well? And there not, severe is and would be a nice addition because he can handle and play make as well.
Its not a crazy reach. I don't think people thought it was a big reach. I just wanted to make sure you realized me and Happy were mostly talking about De La Rosa. As for Severe he can go to the A-10 and on most teams get to play right away and do well. The jump from A-10 to BE is not huge by any means.
I've said a couple of times if he was 2014 I'd be all over him. If I took him next year he should redshirt IMO.
Exactly the way I feel Moose. He can play.. But he would play more at a A-10 school .
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Not pushing Severe one way or other, but is he that much worse than Sean Kilpatrick in his senior year at White Plains? Some kids develop and surprise us. Just wondering.
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Not pushing Severe one way or other, but is he that much worse than Sean Kilpatrick in his senior year at White Plains? Some kids develop and surprise us. Just wondering.
Thing is that Kilpatrick is 6'4 and perfect for the 2 guard spot in the big east and severe is 6'2 and unfortunately not a point guard in any way. This thread would be so much different if Severe could play the point. Most would say Phil is a 6'2 kid who has to play the point and you see how that has turned out. Not comparing severe and Phil because Jon shoots it much better.. I just don't know if he can get his shot off against on most nights bigger 2 guards.
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Not pushing Severe one way or other, but is he that much worse than Sean Kilpatrick in his senior year at White Plains? Some kids develop and surprise us. Just wondering.
Thing is that Kilpatrick is 6'4 and perfect for the 2 guard spot in the big east and severe is 6'2 and unfortunately not a point guard in any way. This thread would be so much different if Severe could play the point. Most would say Phil is a 6'2 kid who has to play the point and you see how that has turned out. Not comparing severe and Phil because Jon shoots it much better.. I just don't know if he can get his shot off against on most nights bigger 2 guards.
Thanks Happy. Good point.
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
The reach ppl referred to was De La Rosa not Severe
I know moose, but some people on the board said severe Would be a reach as well and is "clearly" not a big conference player, hence me asking if cuonzo and huggy are sipping the wrong kool aid as well? And there not, severe is and would be a nice addition because he can handle and play make as well.
Its not a crazy reach. I don't think people thought it was a big reach. I just wanted to make sure you realized me and Happy were mostly talking about De La Rosa. As for Severe he can go to the A-10 and on most teams get to play right away and do well. The jump from A-10 to BE is not huge by any means.
I've said a couple of times if he was 2014 I'd be all over him. If I took him next year he should redshirt IMO.
Yeah if Adonis Dosent watch it he could b the next josh smith, and he isn't nearly as talented as him either, but agree with the disparity of the top of the A-10 is very small from the top of the major schools this year. However all the talk of him being a mid major jacker should stop now, the kid is good. You think that with talks of him increasing almost seals the deal with Jordan?
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Not pushing Severe one way or other, but is he that much worse than Sean Kilpatrick in his senior year at White Plains? Some kids develop and surprise us. Just wondering.
Thing is that Kilpatrick is 6'4 and perfect for the 2 guard spot in the big east and severe is 6'2 and unfortunately not a point guard in any way. This thread would be so much different if Severe could play the point. Most would say Phil is a 6'2 kid who has to play the point and you see how that has turned out. Not comparing severe and Phil because Jon shoots it much better.. I just don't know if he can get his shot off against on most nights bigger 2 guards.
I think he can learn to play point for the sole reason , he has handle and playmaking abilities already, Kemba, Erving , tu hollaway,momo, Russ all never played point full time in highschool but with added talent around them on the next level made the transition somewhat
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
Interest doesnt mean anything until you receive that piece of paper thats just waiting for your signature
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
Have you seen their programs recently?...LOL!
Call me when Calipari reaches out to him... :2funny: :2funny:
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
The reach ppl referred to was De La Rosa not Severe
I know moose, but some people on the board said severe Would be a reach as well and is "clearly" not a big conference player, hence me asking if cuonzo and huggy are sipping the wrong kool aid as well? And there not, severe is and would be a nice addition because he can handle and play make as well.
Its not a crazy reach. I don't think people thought it was a big reach. I just wanted to make sure you realized me and Happy were mostly talking about De La Rosa. As for Severe he can go to the A-10 and on most teams get to play right away and do well. The jump from A-10 to BE is not huge by any means.
I've said a couple of times if he was 2014 I'd be all over him. If I took him next year he should redshirt IMO.
Yeah if Adonis Dosent watch it he could b the next josh smith, and he isn't nearly as talented as him either, but agree with the disparity of the top of the A-10 is very small from the top of the major schools this year. However all the talk of him being a mid major jacker should stop now, the kid is good. You think that with talks of him increasing almost seals the deal with Jordan?
Don't think it seals deal with Jordan.
Just think staff took some heat for no backup options and now they might be feeling out the rest of the scene.
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
The reach ppl referred to was De La Rosa not Severe
I know moose, but some people on the board said severe Would be a reach as well and is "clearly" not a big conference player, hence me asking if cuonzo and huggy are sipping the wrong kool aid as well? And there not, severe is and would be a nice addition because he can handle and play make as well.
Its not a crazy reach. I don't think people thought it was a big reach. I just wanted to make sure you realized me and Happy were mostly talking about De La Rosa. As for Severe he can go to the A-10 and on most teams get to play right away and do well. The jump from A-10 to BE is not huge by any means.
I've said a couple of times if he was 2014 I'd be all over him. If I took him next year he should redshirt IMO.
Yeah if Adonis Dosent watch it he could b the next josh smith, and he isn't nearly as talented as him either, but agree with the disparity of the top of the A-10 is very small from the top of the major schools this year. However all the talk of him being a mid major jacker should stop now, the kid is good. You think that with talks of him increasing almost seals the deal with Jordan?
Don't think it seals deal with Jordan.
Just think staff took some heat for no backup options and now they might be feeling out the rest of the scene.
Perhaps some heat deserved. Always need a Plan B.
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Last year we heard the same criticisms. Then Lavin brought in another excellent class. I don't know exactly what is going to happen, but I have the utmost confidence in Lavin's ability to bring in players.
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Last year we heard the same criticisms. Then Lavin brought in another excellent class. I don't know exactly what is going to happen, but I have the utmost confidence in Lavin's ability to bring in players.
Fair point.
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
Have you seen their programs recently?...LOL!
Call me when Calipari reaches out to him... :2funny: :2funny:
There programs recently compared to there track record for eyeing talent is a big difference especially huggy. But Last time I checked West Virginia danced last year and arguably had the big east POY and tennesee finished tied for 2nd in the SEC with a first year head coach and has a potential lotto pick in stokes this year. What basketball are you watching? If there's anything funny its been our program in recent years aside from 2011, those two programs can dance circles around ours if we go by the past decade. Just stop while your ahead.
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Chilleb may have a point. Five assists as well.
“@CBarcaSTJ: Christ The King defeats Holy Cross 96-74 #CHSAA #BoysHoops”
“@CBarcaSTJ: Jon Severe finished with 37 points. #CHSAA #BoysHoops”
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We have one kid in our backcourt who can score and that is Harrison. Anybody who tells me this kid Sever couldn't help us in the scoring department as well as be a hedge to Harrison leaving is not being honest. We could use some extra backcourt scoring. I have no idea what is going to happen with Jordan, but should we not land him, it seems Severe is more than worthy to take a flyer on. Maybe one of those kids who ends up a lot better than many think. If not, he can come off the bench to add scoring punch.
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We have one kid in our backcourt who can score and that is Harrison. Anybody who tells me this kid Sever couldn't help us in the scoring department as well as be a hedge to Harrison leaving is not being honest. We could use some extra backcourt scoring. I have no idea what is going to happen with Jordan, but should we not land him, it seems Severe is more than worthy to take a flyer on. Maybe one of those kids who ends up a lot better than many think. If not, he can come off the bench to add scoring punch.
Alabama agrees with you. Me too!
“@CBarcaSTJ: I don't know if this is known, but Christ The King's Jon Severe just told me he will most likely be going on a visit to Alabama on Feb 16th”
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
Have you seen their programs recently?...LOL!
Call me when Calipari reaches out to him... :2funny: :2funny:
There programs recently compared to there track record for eyeing talent is a big difference especially huggy. But Last time I checked West Virginia danced last year and arguably had the big east POY and tennesee finished tied for 2nd in the SEC with a first year head coach and has a potential lotto pick in stokes this year. What basketball are you watching? If there's anything funny its been our program in recent years aside from 2011, those two programs can dance circles around ours if we go by the past decade. Just stop while your ahead.
You can stop while your behind and lighten up I was half joking.
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
Have you seen their programs recently?...LOL!
Call me when Calipari reaches out to him... :2funny: :2funny:
There programs recently compared to there track record for eyeing talent is a big difference especially huggy. But Last time I checked West Virginia danced last year and arguably had the big east POY and tennesee finished tied for 2nd in the SEC with a first year head coach and has a potential lotto pick in stokes this year. What basketball are you watching? If there's anything funny its been our program in recent years aside from 2011, those two programs can dance circles around ours if we go by the past decade. Just stop while your ahead.
You can stop while your behind and lighten up I was half joking.
The laughing emoticons usually give it away.
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
Have you seen their programs recently?...LOL!
Call me when Calipari reaches out to him... :2funny: :2funny:
There programs recently compared to there track record for eyeing talent is a big difference especially huggy. But Last time I checked West Virginia danced last year and arguably had the big east POY and tennesee finished tied for 2nd in the SEC with a first year head coach and has a potential lotto pick in stokes this year. What basketball are you watching? If there's anything funny its been our program in recent years aside from 2011, those two programs can dance circles around ours if we go by the past decade. Just stop while your ahead.
You can stop while your behind and lighten up I was half joking.
The laughing emoticons usually give it away.
You guys have been giving severe a hard time , I might have been a bit excessive in defending my boy. But back to the matter at hand 37 points tonight. Lets go severe!!
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He has big conference talent written all over him since day 1. Or is huggy and Martin reaching too?
Have you seen their programs recently?...LOL!
Call me when Calipari reaches out to him... :2funny: :2funny:
There programs recently compared to there track record for eyeing talent is a big difference especially huggy. But Last time I checked West Virginia danced last year and arguably had the big east POY and tennesee finished tied for 2nd in the SEC with a first year head coach and has a potential lotto pick in stokes this year. What basketball are you watching? If there's anything funny its been our program in recent years aside from 2011, those two programs can dance circles around ours if we go by the past decade. Just stop while your ahead.
You can stop while your behind and lighten up I was half joking.
The laughing emoticons usually give it away.
You guys have been giving severe a hard time , I might have been a bit excessive in defending my boy. But back to the matter at hand 37 points tonight. Lets go severe!!
I accept your apology.
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Frankly, I'm sold. If we don't get Rysheed, I want Severe.
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"Christ the King guard Jon Severe, the top unsigned senior in the city, has seen his recruitment shoot up. Coaches from West Virginia, Tennessee and St. John’s spoke with the 6-foot-1 standout Thursday night. Fordham recently offered him a scholarship, SMU coach Larry Brown plans to come to the city next weekend to recruit Severe and Alabama head coach Anthony Grant has been to Queens to see him."
In NY POst Recruiting Confidential today.
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Never seen the kid. If he can score we need him. Love the fact he is from NY
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I'm on the bandwagon, if Rysheed doesn't come here I think Severe can help us
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This is the kind of kid that walks in and is averaging next to 20 ppg as a soph at a mid-major, and everyone wonders where he came from. More than half of the top 100 are kids that are there because of potential. This kid can score, but he'll be overlooked for some top 50 kid that can't dribble with his left han but is 6'6 and can dunk the ball between his legs on a fastbreak.
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This is the kind of kid that walks in and is averaging next to 20 ppg as a soph at a mid-major, and everyone wonders where he came from. More than half of the top 100 are kids that are there because of potential. This kid can score, but he'll be overlooked for some top 50 kid that can't dribble with his left han but is 6'6 and can dunk the ball between his legs on a fastbreak.
Yup. +1
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Agree marillac. We need another guard that can score period. If we don't get Rysheed, sign this kid up.
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Just hope he doesn't pop for someone else while we wait for Rysheed....
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“@Dylan_Butler: West Virginia coach Bob Huggins in the house at Christ the King to watch Jon Severe #boyshoops #msgvscores”
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“@Dylan_Butler: CK 72, Loughlin 71: Jon Severe 18 pts 7 assists, Malik Harmon 13 pts 2 steals, Jordan Fuchs 12 pts 8 reb, Adonis DeLaRosa 10 pts 7 reb”
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With Jordan and Owootoah looking doubtful, I really hope our coaching staff is making Severe a priority
We could definitely use a scoring guard with the ability to create his own shot
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With Jordan and Owootoah looking doubtful, I really hope our coaching staff is making Severe a priority
We could definitely use a scoring guard with the ability to create his own shot
Jordan looking doubtful? ???
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“@Dylan_Butler: CK 72, Loughlin 71: Jon Severe 18 pts 7 assists, Malik Harmon 13 pts 2 steals, Jordan Fuchs 12 pts 8 reb, Adonis DeLaRosa 10 pts 7 reb”
Classic WV player under Huggins.
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Johnnies should go all out for this guy now.
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With Jordan and Owootoah looking doubtful, I really hope our coaching staff is making Severe a priority
We could definitely use a scoring guard with the ability to create his own shot
Jordan looking doubtful? ???
I don't have any inside knowledge ... I just have a feeling this is a local kid who wants to stay home
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“@Dylan_Butler: Congrats in order to CK's Jon Severe, who was named CHSAA POY and @stepinacbball coach Tim Philp for being voted COY by the league”
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Which teammate was Severe fighting with in that loss vs Molloy?
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe attended yesterday's Fordham-Butler game. Rams recently offered.”
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“@AdamZagoria: West Va. asst Larry Harrison will watch 2013 G Jon Severe and 2014 G Khadeen Carrington on Wednesday. WVU has offered both NYC players”u
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In the mix?
“@AdamZagoria: 2013 Christ the King G Jon Severe will visit Alabama Feb. 25/26, coach Joe Arbitello tells @SNYtv. Indiana, West Va., Rutgers, #stjbb in mix”
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Zags has a post up this morning if someone wants to paste. Doesn't mention sju in the mix.
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Zags has a post up this morning if someone wants to paste. Doesn't mention sju in the mix.
I am just not interested in Severe, and it appears the staff's interest is lukewarm. Probably a player that we will regret not getting though as he is a scorer. We just need guards that can play the 1 better than a combo guard.
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Zags has a post up this morning if someone wants to paste. Doesn't mention sju in the mix.
We aren't
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Zags has a post up this morning if someone wants to paste. Doesn't mention sju in the mix.
We aren't
I'm getting the feeling that it's Rysheed Jordan or bust for 2013
Doesn't seem like the staff is really interested in any others
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Zags has a post up this morning if someone wants to paste. Doesn't mention sju in the mix.
We aren't
I'm getting the feeling that it's Rysheed Jordan or bust for 2013
Doesn't seem like the staff is really interested in any others
Wait for kids who renege or also 5th year transfer.
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Zags has a post up this morning if someone wants to paste. Doesn't mention sju in the mix.
We aren't
I'm getting the feeling that it's Rysheed Jordan or bust for 2013
Doesn't seem like the staff is really interested in any others
Wait for kids who renege or also 5th year transfer.
Let's hope for Rysheed but I do expect another name to pop up. May not be a Tpp 50 or even Top 100 but need some more help for CO and GG next year at 4/5. Let's hope Jones develops.
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Zags has a post up this morning if someone wants to paste. Doesn't mention sju in the mix.
We aren't
I'm getting the feeling that it's Rysheed Jordan or bust for 2013
Doesn't seem like the staff is really interested in any others
Wait for kids who renege or also 5th year transfer.
I think you are right and also think that talent pool will be large this year.
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Zags has a post up this morning if someone wants to paste. Doesn't mention sju in the mix.
We aren't
I'm getting the feeling that it's Rysheed Jordan or bust for 2013
Doesn't seem like the staff is really interested in any others
Wait for kids who renege or also 5th year transfer.
I think you are right and also think that talent pool will be large this year.
Which one?
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I think the number of kids backing out of pledges will be high.
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I'm hoping Dakari Johnson comes to his senses and dumps UK for us! ;D
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“@NYCHoops: Pittsburgh Head Coach Jamie Dixon has offered Jon Severe according to CTK coach Joe Arbitello. #BigEast #CollegeHoops”
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“@NYCHoops: Pittsburgh Head Coach Jamie Dixon has offered Jon Severe according to CTK coach Joe Arbitello. #BigEast #CollegeHoops”
::) :-X
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“@NYCHoops: Pittsburgh Head Coach Jamie Dixon has offered Jon Severe according to CTK coach Joe Arbitello. #BigEast #CollegeHoops”
I wonder if Severe will follow him when he leaves for USC after the season is over.
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PMG, you don't think Dixon makes it to the ACC? I don't think Rice makes it to Big 10.
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“@NYCHoops: Pittsburgh Head Coach Jamie Dixon has offered Jon Severe according to CTK coach Joe Arbitello. #BigEast #CollegeHoops”
I wonder if Severe will follow him when he leaves for USC after the season is over.
I don't see Dixon leaving for USC. They need a west coast guy at that school. Although Dixon has roots in the area, he has been at Pitt a long time.
That is a very tough job.
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Evan though we are not recruiting him, kudos to Chilleb's man!
The boys finalists for NYS player of the year are:
• Jermaine Crumpton, Niagara Falls -- Averaging 20 points and 11 rebounds for the Wolverines as he prepares for college ball at Canisius.
• Kentan Facey, Long Island Lutheran -- The 6-foot-8 forward is a versatile playmaker for the state's top-ranked Class AA squad who has signed with UConn.
• Terrence Samuel, South Shore -- A UConn recruit averaging 15 points, 6 assists and 5 rebounds in one of the most demanding leagues in NEw York for the state's 20th-ranked team.
• Jon Severe, Christ the King -- Averaging 22.5 points with six 30-point efforts during a season that has dramatically raised his recruiting profile.
• Adam Weir, Canisius -- Leading the way for the state's top-ranked Class A team with 21.3 points and 7.7 rebounds per game.
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http://nycsports.tv/videos/993/jon-severe-scores-26-pts-in-2013-chsaa-brooklyn-queens-championship-game (http://nycsports.tv/videos/993/jon-severe-scores-26-pts-in-2013-chsaa-brooklyn-queens-championship-game)
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Considering DLO may not return next year and Jorden is unlikely, Severe looks awfully attractive.
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Considering DLO may not return next year and Jorden is unlikely, Severe looks awfully attractive.
He shoots too well!
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Considering DLO may not return next year and Jorden is unlikely, Severe looks awfully attractive.
I'd sign that guy in a NY minute. I know that at St.John's our "shooters" have been notoriously awful shooters, but this kid is at least closing his high school career strong.
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Sould put the full court on Severe, especially with D'Lo on the rocks. I certainly want D'Lo back, but that doesn't make him a "sure thing" right now and either way we can use a scoring guard. Greene, Bourgault and Balamou aren't cutting it in that department. Time to move on from Jordan if he's just going to drop us in a month with nobody left on the table.
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Sould put the full court on Severe, especially with D'Lo on the rocks. I certainly want D'Lo back, but that doesn't make him a "sure thing" right now and either way we can use a scoring guard. Greene, Bourgault and Balamou aren't cutting it in that department. Time to move on from Jordan if he's just going to drop us in a month with nobody left on the table.
Balamou hasn't played enough.
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Balamou is a great energy guy that should get more minutes, I agree. However, I don't think he will ever be a "shooter"
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Balamou is a great energy guy that should get more minutes, I agree. However, I don't think he will ever be a "shooter"
He'll probably never be a shooter, but he can shoot. I thin he'll only get better. He had quick trigger at OSNA.
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If your Severe and a school hasn't recruited and all of a sudden puts full court press. What do you do? Personally I would pay no attention because in all likelihood he would get recruited over in a heartbeat.
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If your Severe and a school hasn't recruited and all of a sudden puts full court press. What do you do? Personally I would pay no attention because in all likelihood he would get recruited over in a heartbeat.
You know it doesn't work that way. I agree though, I lot of kids act like 15 year old girls and they love the attention.
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Isn't the point staff has not taken any interest in him, right or wrong? Happy has noted that and it does not appear that will change.
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Isn't the point staff has not taken any interest in him, right or wrong? Happy has noted that and it does not appear that will change.
Correct.
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No, no, and no. No need to panic and this would be panic.
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No, no, and no. No need to panic and this would be panic.
You need to read your site more, Dave.. This place is in complete panic mode. ::)
What do you think Lavin does, assuming Jordan is out of the mix? Best guess.
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No, no, and no. No need to panic and this would be panic.
Lol, you tell us not to panic but you are the one that dropped the news about Rysheed to UCLA. Seeing as how if we don't land another guard we will see Phil Greene for 38 minutes per game next season, I think "urgency" is appropriate even if panic is not.
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No, no, and no. No need to panic and this would be panic.
Shouldn't there be just a hint of panic since our best player was suspended for the season right before the stretch run? I think a little panic is exactly what was created by that decision.
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No, no, and no. No need to panic and this would be panic.
It's unbelievable. Somehow Greene, Marco and Balamou who have been playing together for less then a year all stink now and have no future so what we need to do is bring in an unranked kid who a few months ago was largely being recruited by the likes of Fordham, URI and GW.
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No, no, and no. No need to panic and this would be panic.
Lol, you tell us not to panic but you are the one that dropped the news about Rysheed to UCLA. Seeing as how if we don't land another guard we will see Phil Greene for 38 minutes per game next season, I think "urgency" is appropriate even if panic is not.
Right so we have already determined that Harrison is gone. To replace him we choose not Max Hooper, not Phil Greene, not Marco not Balamou but an unranked kid who is not good enough to play over any of them and you are committing 4 years too after you bashed a kid who was offered 2 years ago by West Virginia back when WVU was actually good.
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No, no, and no. No need to panic and this would be panic.
Lol, you tell us not to panic but you are the one that dropped the news about Rysheed to UCLA. Seeing as how if we don't land another guard we will see Phil Greene for 38 minutes per game next season, I think "urgency" is appropriate even if panic is not.
Why do you need to sign anyone? You'd want to waste a scholarship on a guy who would never play? What sense does that make? Jordan would play, would be a difference maker at this level, so he would be worth it.
Severe doesn't make sense for St. John's as much as St. John's doesn't make sense for Severe. He's not suited for Big East (old or new).
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I understand that SJU has not shot it well this year (as about every Big East schools btw).
I also understand that losing a tough game at PC without Harrison makes people mad. I would argue SJU scored enough points to win that game. PC was not very good from the field and if SJU had a couple more stops then they could have won say 59-57.
But here is where you guys go over the top and also get delusional. Even if you think SJU needs more shooting Severe cannot help them now anyway. And they only have a schollie for him IF Harrison does not come back. And so what you are saying is that with an entire off season and with these kids that are here already and are bigger and stronger and more experienced then Severe won't get better but Severe who probably needs 2 years to develop is worth a schollie even though he can't help them now or quite frankly next year and that ASSUMES Harrison does not come back or else we don't even have this conversation.
No that is big panic move and poor moves get made from panic.
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No, no, and no. No need to panic and this would be panic.
Lol, you tell us not to panic but you are the one that dropped the news about Rysheed to UCLA. Seeing as how if we don't land another guard we will see Phil Greene for 38 minutes per game next season, I think "urgency" is appropriate even if panic is not.
Why do you need to sign anyone? You'd want to waste a scholarship on a guy who would never play? What sense does that make? Jordan would play, would be a difference maker at this level, so he would be worth it.
Severe doesn't make sense for St. John's as much as St. John's doesn't make sense for Severe. He's not suited for Big East (old or new).
BINGO BINGO BINGO. The schools interested in Severe are either mid majors or bigger schools with a bunch of scholarships available. SJU with Harrison has none. You are comparing Phil Greene with guys like Sean Kilpatrick and Russ Smith and Brandon Triche, Severe cannot touch any of those guys anyway.
Why the hell would you offer a scholarship to a kid who not only does not upgrade you but would end up transferring after 1 year anyway.
Let me tell you if you saw Phil Greene at IMG and saw Severe in high school you would laugh at the idea that Severe would be better then him. Laugh.
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I understand that SJU has not shot it well this year (as about every Big East schools btw).
I also understand that losing a tough game at PC without Harrison makes people mad. I would argue SJU scored enough points to win that game. PC was not very good from the field and if SJU had a couple more stops then they could have won say 59-57.
But here is where you guys go over the top and also get delusional. Even if you think SJU needs more shooting Severe cannot help them now anyway. And they only have a schollie for him IF Harrison does not come back. And so what you are saying is that with an entire off season and with these kids that are here already and are bigger and stronger and more experienced then Severe won't get better but Severe who probably needs 2 years to develop is worth a schollie even though he can't help them now or quite frankly next year and that ASSUMES Harrison does not come back or else we don't even have this conversation.
No that is big panic move and poor moves get made from panic.
Good post Fordham..
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No, no, and no. No need to panic and this would be panic.
Lol, you tell us not to panic but you are the one that dropped the news about Rysheed to UCLA. Seeing as how if we don't land another guard we will see Phil Greene for 38 minutes per game next season, I think "urgency" is appropriate even if panic is not.
Why do you need to sign anyone? You'd want to waste a scholarship on a guy who would never play? What sense does that make? Jordan would play, would be a difference maker at this level, so he would be worth it.
Severe doesn't make sense for St. John's as much as St. John's doesn't make sense for Severe. He's not suited for Big East (old or new).
BINGO BINGO BINGO. The schools interested in Severe are either mid majors or bigger schools with a bunch of scholarships available. SJU with Harrison has none. You are comparing Phil Greene with guys like Sean Kilpatrick and Russ Smith and Brandon Triche, Severe cannot touch any of those guys anyway.
Why the hell would you offer a scholarship to a kid who not only does not upgrade you but would end up transferring after 1 year anyway.
Let me tell you if you saw Phil Greene at IMG and saw Severe in high school you would laugh at the idea that Severe would be better then him. Laugh.
Never got to see him play at IMG. Did you Fordham?
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Not sure what his final IMG stats were, but at one point he was averaging 28 ppg and 10 apg. The guy has talent. He just needs to be broken of bad habits.
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@NYPost_Brazille
Ok, last Jon Severe update of the night. He talked to coaches from West Virginia, St. John's (Tony Chiles) and Tennessee tonight.
If we aren't recruiting him I wonder what this was about
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No, no, and no. No need to panic and this would be panic.
Lol, you tell us not to panic but you are the one that dropped the news about Rysheed to UCLA. Seeing as how if we don't land another guard we will see Phil Greene for 38 minutes per game next season, I think "urgency" is appropriate even if panic is not.
Why do you need to sign anyone? You'd want to waste a scholarship on a guy who would never play? What sense does that make? Jordan would play, would be a difference maker at this level, so he would be worth it.
Severe doesn't make sense for St. John's as much as St. John's doesn't make sense for Severe. He's not suited for Big East (old or new).
BINGO BINGO BINGO. The schools interested in Severe are either mid majors or bigger schools with a bunch of scholarships available. SJU with Harrison has none. You are comparing Phil Greene with guys like Sean Kilpatrick and Russ Smith and Brandon Triche, Severe cannot touch any of those guys anyway.
Why the hell would you offer a scholarship to a kid who not only does not upgrade you but would end up transferring after 1 year anyway.
Let me tell you if you saw Phil Greene at IMG and saw Severe in high school you would laugh at the idea that Severe would be better then him. Laugh.
Where were Sean Kilpatrick and Russ Smith ranked coming out of high school?
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@NYPost_Brazille
Ok, last Jon Severe update of the night. He talked to coaches from West Virginia, St. John's (Tony Chiles) and Tennessee tonight.
If we aren't recruiting him I wonder what this was about
The people I talk to have direct line to the HC. I'll take their word.
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@NYPost_Brazille
Ok, last Jon Severe update of the night. He talked to coaches from West Virginia, St. John's (Tony Chiles) and Tennessee tonight.
If we aren't recruiting him I wonder what this was about
The people I talk to have direct line to the HC. I'll take their word.
Wasn't questioning that was literally just wondering what was going on because I think we talked to him several times that week
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Fordham making a lot of sense on this thread.
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
Agree
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
That's pretty nebulous. It's pretty late in the process here. I'm not doubting Lavin's recruiting ability. I know he can recruit. Personally not thrilled going into next season with our backcourt the way it is and Harrison uncertain. Even si Harrison on board I think we could have used an injection of somebody who can actually get to the hoop. That is something that neither Greene nor Harrison can do too well.
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
That's pretty nebulous. It's pretty late in the process here. I'm not doubting Lavin's recruiting ability. I know he can recruit. Personally not thrilled going into next season with our backcourt the way it is and Harrison uncertain. Even si Harrison on board I think we could have used an injection of somebody who can actually get to the hoop. That is something that neither Greene nor Harrison can do too well.
Nebulous?
You don't get high karma for SAT words :)
Was it late in the recruiting season this time last year when we had what? 0 commits? So you want to add another player to a crowded backcourt even WITH Harrison returning. How do you plan on doing that?
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
That's pretty nebulous. It's pretty late in the process here. I'm not doubting Lavin's recruiting ability. I know he can recruit. Personally not thrilled going into next season with our backcourt the way it is and Harrison uncertain. Even si Harrison on board I think we could have used an injection of somebody who can actually get to the hoop. That is something that neither Greene nor Harrison can do too well.
Nebulous?
You don't get high karma for SAT words :)
Was it late in the recruiting season this time last year when we had what? 0 commits? So you want to add another player to a crowded backcourt even WITH Harrison returning. How do you plan on doing that?
Don't ask me. Lavin planned on doing it having offered Jordan...
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
That's pretty nebulous. It's pretty late in the process here. I'm not doubting Lavin's recruiting ability. I know he can recruit. Personally not thrilled going into next season with our backcourt the way it is and Harrison uncertain. Even si Harrison on board I think we could have used an injection of somebody who can actually get to the hoop. That is something that neither Greene nor Harrison can do too well.
Nebulous?
You don't get high karma for SAT words :)
Was it late in the recruiting season this time last year when we had what? 0 commits? So you want to add another player to a crowded backcourt even WITH Harrison returning. How do you plan on doing that?
Don't ask me. Lavin planned on doing it having offered Jordan...
Making room for a Top 30 kid is different than making room for any Tom Dick or Harry who plays guard.
Besides I think we have a ship to play with regardless.
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
That's pretty nebulous. It's pretty late in the process here. I'm not doubting Lavin's recruiting ability. I know he can recruit. Personally not thrilled going into next season with our backcourt the way it is and Harrison uncertain. Even si Harrison on board I think we could have used an injection of somebody who can actually get to the hoop. That is something that neither Greene nor Harrison can do too well.
Nebulous?
You don't get high karma for SAT words :)
Was it late in the recruiting season this time last year when we had what? 0 commits? So you want to add another player to a crowded backcourt even WITH Harrison returning. How do you plan on doing that?
Don't ask me. Lavin planned on doing it having offered Jordan...
Making room for a Top 30 kid is different than making room for any Tom Dick or Harry who plays guard.
Besides I think we have a ship to play with regardless.
Thoughts on Michael Dixon (formerly of Mizzou)? Will have one year of eligibility but had some (serious) problems earlier this year.
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
That's pretty nebulous. It's pretty late in the process here. I'm not doubting Lavin's recruiting ability. I know he can recruit. Personally not thrilled going into next season with our backcourt the way it is and Harrison uncertain. Even si Harrison on board I think we could have used an injection of somebody who can actually get to the hoop. That is something that neither Greene nor Harrison can do too well.
Nebulous?
You don't get high karma for SAT words :)
Was it late in the recruiting season this time last year when we had what? 0 commits? So you want to add another player to a crowded backcourt even WITH Harrison returning. How do you plan on doing that?
Don't ask me. Lavin planned on doing it having offered Jordan...
Making room for a Top 30 kid is different than making room for any Tom Dick or Harry who plays guard.
Besides I think we have a ship to play with regardless.
Thoughts on Michael Dixon (formerly of Mizzou)? Will have one year of eligibility but had some (serious) problems earlier this year.
Nature of allegations, despite being legally cleared, would preclude that, especially in light of the Harrison problems IMO.
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
That's pretty nebulous. It's pretty late in the process here. I'm not doubting Lavin's recruiting ability. I know he can recruit. Personally not thrilled going into next season with our backcourt the way it is and Harrison uncertain. Even si Harrison on board I think we could have used an injection of somebody who can actually get to the hoop. That is something that neither Greene nor Harrison can do too well.
Nebulous?
You don't get high karma for SAT words :)
Was it late in the recruiting season this time last year when we had what? 0 commits? So you want to add another player to a crowded backcourt even WITH Harrison returning. How do you plan on doing that?
Don't ask me. Lavin planned on doing it having offered Jordan...
Making room for a Top 30 kid is different than making room for any Tom Dick or Harry who plays guard.
Besides I think we have a ship to play with regardless.
Thoughts on Michael Dixon (formerly of Mizzou)? Will have one year of eligibility but had some (serious) problems earlier this year.
Nature of allegations, despite being legally cleared, would preclude that, especially in light of the Harrison problems IMO.
shame because a senior PG who can shoot the three and has big game experience would look great next to branch with our front line
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
That's pretty nebulous. It's pretty late in the process here. I'm not doubting Lavin's recruiting ability. I know he can recruit. Personally not thrilled going into next season with our backcourt the way it is and Harrison uncertain. Even si Harrison on board I think we could have used an injection of somebody who can actually get to the hoop. That is something that neither Greene nor Harrison can do too well.
Nebulous?
You don't get high karma for SAT words :)
Was it late in the recruiting season this time last year when we had what? 0 commits? So you want to add another player to a crowded backcourt even WITH Harrison returning. How do you plan on doing that?
Don't ask me. Lavin planned on doing it having offered Jordan...
Making room for a Top 30 kid is different than making room for any Tom Dick or Harry who plays guard.
Besides I think we have a ship to play with regardless.
A guy by he name of Dwight hardy would have been thought of as Tom.dick or harry
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
That's pretty nebulous. It's pretty late in the process here. I'm not doubting Lavin's recruiting ability. I know he can recruit. Personally not thrilled going into next season with our backcourt the way it is and Harrison uncertain. Even si Harrison on board I think we could have used an injection of somebody who can actually get to the hoop. That is something that neither Greene nor Harrison can do too well.
Nebulous?
You don't get high karma for SAT words :)
Was it late in the recruiting season this time last year when we had what? 0 commits? So you want to add another player to a crowded backcourt even WITH Harrison returning. How do you plan on doing that?
Don't ask me. Lavin planned on doing it having offered Jordan...
Making room for a Top 30 kid is different than making room for any Tom Dick or Harry who plays guard.
Besides I think we have a ship to play with regardless.
A guy by he name of Dwight hardy would have been thought of as Tom.dick or harry
So lets bring back Norm to find more Dick's.
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
That's pretty nebulous. It's pretty late in the process here. I'm not doubting Lavin's recruiting ability. I know he can recruit. Personally not thrilled going into next season with our backcourt the way it is and Harrison uncertain. Even si Harrison on board I think we could have used an injection of somebody who can actually get to the hoop. That is something that neither Greene nor Harrison can do too well.
Nebulous?
You don't get high karma for SAT words :)
Was it late in the recruiting season this time last year when we had what? 0 commits? So you want to add another player to a crowded backcourt even WITH Harrison returning. How do you plan on doing that?
Don't ask me. Lavin planned on doing it having offered Jordan...
Making room for a Top 30 kid is different than making room for any Tom Dick or Harry who plays guard.
Besides I think we have a ship to play with regardless.
A guy by he name of Dwight hardy would have been thought of as Tom.dick or harry
So lets bring back Norm to find more Dick's.
If every one of Norms finds was that good I wouldn't mind,
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
That's pretty nebulous. It's pretty late in the process here. I'm not doubting Lavin's recruiting ability. I know he can recruit. Personally not thrilled going into next season with our backcourt the way it is and Harrison uncertain. Even si Harrison on board I think we could have used an injection of somebody who can actually get to the hoop. That is something that neither Greene nor Harrison can do too well.
Nebulous?
You don't get high karma for SAT words :)
Was it late in the recruiting season this time last year when we had what? 0 commits? So you want to add another player to a crowded backcourt even WITH Harrison returning. How do you plan on doing that?
Don't ask me. Lavin planned on doing it having offered Jordan...
Making room for a Top 30 kid is different than making room for any Tom Dick or Harry who plays guard.
Besides I think we have a ship to play with regardless.
A guy by he name of Dwight hardy would have been thought of as Tom.dick or harry
So lets bring back Norm to find more Dick's.
If every one of Norms finds was that good I wouldn't mind,
Hardy was also a JUCO. Out of HS he didnt have much serious interest, no?
If we didn't have other guards collecting dust or in over their head I'd be all for it. But we do. So no go.
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this thread might get longer than Baldi's Iona thread
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this thread might get longer than Baldi's Iona thread
No chance in hell
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If severe can't help us, then so be it. Right now I'm just not exactly confident in our guard situation with Harrison seemingly up in the air and a backcourt that has a ton of difficulty both getting to the hoop and shooting. Sanchez was a victory, but I'd hate to whiff in this recruiting class if we have real needs. If there's nobody JT there that can help us, then so be it.
I watched a Providence team that has Council, Cotton, Dunn and looking forward, even with Harrison we'd only have one guard who can score like those 3. Sanchez was a huge victory because we whiffed on Lawrence and I have no doubt Orlando will suit us better for one season.
My question for those that know is whether it's Jordan or bust this season or are we heading into next season "as is" where we will likely have the same backcourt issues we had this season?
If Harrison doesn't come back you think Lavin would throw the kitchen sink at a guard who can score? Regardless of all the criticism I've given him lately even I know he would go after someone. Not saying Severe but someone
That's pretty nebulous. It's pretty late in the process here. I'm not doubting Lavin's recruiting ability. I know he can recruit. Personally not thrilled going into next season with our backcourt the way it is and Harrison uncertain. Even si Harrison on board I think we could have used an injection of somebody who can actually get to the hoop. That is something that neither Greene nor Harrison can do too well.
Nebulous?
You don't get high karma for SAT words :)
Was it late in the recruiting season this time last year when we had what? 0 commits? So you want to add another player to a crowded backcourt even WITH Harrison returning. How do you plan on doing that?
Don't ask me. Lavin planned on doing it having offered Jordan...
Making room for a Top 30 kid is different than making room for any Tom Dick or Harry who plays guard.
Besides I think we have a ship to play with regardless.
A guy by he name of Dwight hardy would have been thought of as Tom.dick or harry
So lets bring back Norm to find more Dick's.
If every one of Norms finds was that good I wouldn't mind,
Hardy was also a JUCO. Out of HS he didnt have much serious interest, no?
If we didn't have other guards collecting dust or in over their head I'd be all for it. But we do. So no go.
That's the comparison I'm trying to make, underrated coming out of highschool, yet big game. I guess we will see. At this point anything on the wing is an upgrade.
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If we did grab a hardy type it could work.
They'd only be here 2-3 years.
They should be able to penetrate and set up own shot.
Should be able to knock down free throws.
Occasionally crash the boards.
Hit consistent from 3 pt range.
Have a low turnover to assist ratio.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe was at last night's Rutgers-Seton Hall game. Scarlet Knights coming on in his recruitment. #rhoops”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe was at last night's Rutgers-Seton Hall game. Scarlet Knights coming on in his recruitment. #rhoops”
Shane rector, Mack, carter, seagers, severe ... Rutgers turning into guard U
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe was at last night's Rutgers-Seton Hall game. Scarlet Knights coming on in his recruitment. #rhoops”
Shane rector, Mack, carter, seagers, severe ... Rutgers turning into guard U
Just like us.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe was at last night's Rutgers-Seton Hall game. Scarlet Knights coming on in his recruitment. #rhoops”
Shane rector, Mack, carter, seagers, severe ... Rutgers turning into guard U
Just like us.
I wish paultz, Mack running point on our squad would have made a world of difference
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe was at last night's Rutgers-Seton Hall game. Scarlet Knights coming on in his recruitment. #rhoops”
Shane rector, Mack, carter, seagers, severe ... Rutgers turning into guard U
Just like us.
I wish paultz, Mack running point on our squad would have made a world of difference
Sad
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe was at last night's Rutgers-Seton Hall game. Scarlet Knights coming on in his recruitment. #rhoops”
Shane rector, Mack, carter, seagers, severe ... Rutgers turning into guard U
Just like us.
I wish paultz, Mack running point on our squad would have made a world of difference
He can always transfer here if he likes. They are no longer a big east school.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: I was also told don't look for a decision out of Christ the King's Jon Severe before state tournament.”
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Guys I like Mack (and from what I hear of Severe), but let's calm down a bit before we start losing ourselves over Rutgers players/recruits.
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Don't laugh but just heard Fordham is in a strong position for Severe. Pecora needs this in the worst way.
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Don't laugh but just heard Fordham is in a strong position for Severe. Pecora needs this in the worst way.
He should be getting kids like Severe. Wonder what lit a fire under his ass.
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Don't laugh but just heard Fordham is in a strong position for Severe. Pecora needs this in the worst way.
He should be getting kids like Severe. Wonder what lit a fire under his ass.
An unemployment check?
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Don't laugh but just heard Fordham is in a strong position for Severe. Pecora needs this in the worst way.
He should be getting kids like Severe. Wonder what lit a fire under his ass.
An unemployment check?
If they ever fired him I'm sure he would be fine collecting the balance of his contract :)
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Don't laugh but just heard Fordham is in a strong position for Severe. Pecora needs this in the worst way.
Why? Thought this kid had offers from better teams than Fordham.
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Kid should go to URI - perfect for him...
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Cutting his last this weekend:
Severe, the number one NY player in the Class of 2013, already has offers from Boston College, Duquesne, Fordham, George Washington and West Virginia as well as interest from the Big East, A-10 and the SEC. On Thursday, Severe told NYCHoops.net that his most recent offer came from Pittsburgh with new interest from Kansa State.
Asked when he would cut his list down, Severe responded, "Saturday night." By then, Christ the King will know whether or not they are the Federation Tournament of Champions Class AA champions. The senior added that he's not sure how many schools he will shave off his list or when he will make his final decision.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1486204 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1486204)
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If this kid likes to shoot the rock, he knows where to go
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I'm surprised Iona isn't mentioned. Would be a good fit if he wants to stay local. (I'm basing that on the level of schools making offers. I haven't seen him play.)
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Why would he go to Iona off the bat if Pitt, K. St., and URI (among others) are after him. Hell he could go to Fordham, play better comp, and get the same shots he could at Iona.
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Doesn't say Pitt and K-State have offered. If they do, then they might be a more attractive option. Again, it might depend on playing time and whether he wants to stay local.
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Why anyone would go to Fordham is beyond me
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Why anyone would go to Fordham is beyond me
If you have ever been to Fordham road in the summer or to Arthur Avenue at anytime you would have the answer to your question. :)
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Why anyone would go to Fordham is beyond me
If you have ever been to Fordham road in the summer or to Arthur Avenue at anytime you would have the answer to your question. :)
North Ave is better :)
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I'm speaking for hoops
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Why anyone would go to Fordham is beyond me
I agree...Iona guards have had success and gotten some decent publicity...Cluess seems like a good coach to play for if you want to showcase your stuff...
The only thing that points in Fordham's favor is its on point marketing pitch "...college basketball just got exciting with Fordham basketball..." Can't argue with that ;D
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Chris Gaston should have left when the getting gone was good
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Chris Gaston should have left when the getting gone was good
He should have come here.
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Pecora had some success with guards at Hofstra too ...
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Pecora had some success with guards at Hofstra too ...
That's ancient history
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria 7m
I'm told that West Va. is no longer recruiting Jon Severe.
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria 7m
I'm told that West Va. is no longer recruiting Jon Severe.
Scratch that on West Va. and Severe. They are still involved. Sorry for confusion. 22 minutes ago
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He might have a great career at Iona, but the kid is being recruited by Big East, Big 12, and A10 schools. It's not like he is being under recruited. Watch the kid go to Pitt and be the next in the line of NYC guards that had great careers there.
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He can go to a big conference. We'll see him in 2 years
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You think he'll get recruited over, Baldi?
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You think he'll get recruited over, Baldi?
A lot of marginal big conference talent does
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“@CNG_Staszewski: Fordham coach Tom Pecora just walked into the Times Union Center. #BOYSHOOPS”
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I don't follow recruiting like You guys. All I heard is he is the best player in NYC and he can shoot. He plays for the best team in the city. Why are we not recruiting him? And why are we taking chances on Felix and Marco ? Makes no sense to me.
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I don't follow recruiting like You guys. All I heard is he is the best player in NYC and he can shoot. He plays for the best team in the city. Why are we not recruiting him? And why are we taking chances on Felix and Marco ? Makes no sense to me.
You're not alone on that Tony
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I don't follow recruiting like You guys. All I heard is he is the best player in NYC and he can shoot. He plays for the best team in the city. Why are we not recruiting him? And why are we taking chances on Felix and Marco ? Makes no sense to me.
You're not alone on that Tony
I like Felix. I think he could end up being pretty good.
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I don't follow recruiting like You guys. All I heard is he is the best player in NYC and he can shoot. He plays for the best team in the city. Why are we not recruiting him? And why are we taking chances on Felix and Marco ? Makes no sense to me.
You're not alone on that Tony
Did you like Chris?
Maybe having Felix helped.
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I don't follow recruiting like You guys. All I heard is he is the best player in NYC and he can shoot. He plays for the best team in the city. Why are we not recruiting him? And why are we taking chances on Felix and Marco ? Makes no sense to me.
You're not alone on that Tony
Did you like Chris?
Maybe having Felix helped.
Neither helped
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I don't follow recruiting like You guys. All I heard is he is the best player in NYC and he can shoot. He plays for the best team in the city. Why are we not recruiting him? And why are we taking chances on Felix and Marco ? Makes no sense to me.
You're not alone on that Tony
Did you like Chris?
Maybe having Felix helped.
Neither helped
Obekpa didn't?
Um ok.
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Still watching the big boys play on tv
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I don't follow recruiting like You guys. All I heard is he is the best player in NYC and he can shoot. He plays for the best team in the city. Why are we not recruiting him? And why are we taking chances on Felix and Marco ? Makes no sense to me.
You're not alone on that Tony
Did you like Chris?
Maybe having Felix helped.
Neither helped
lol
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I don't follow recruiting like You guys. All I heard is he is the best player in NYC and he can shoot. He plays for the best team in the city. Why are we not recruiting him? And why are we taking chances on Felix and Marco ? Makes no sense to me.
You're not alone on that Tony
Did you like Chris?
Maybe having Felix helped.
Neither helped
Obekpa didn't?
Um ok.
Not as good as Laury :idiot2:
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Still watching the big boys play on tv
Pregaming all day, eh?
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I don't follow recruiting like You guys. All I heard is he is the best player in NYC and he can shoot. He plays for the best team in the city. Why are we not recruiting him? And why are we taking chances on Felix and Marco ? Makes no sense to me.
You're not alone on that Tony
Did you like Chris?
Maybe having Felix helped.
Neither helped
Obekpa didn't?
Um ok.
Not as good as Laury :idiot2:
Nowhere near
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Still watching the big boys play on tv
Pregaming all day, eh?
2 days in
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Felix helped bring in Obekpa and Marco help bring in Sanchez, no? Package deals?
Tough to judge after one season if it will pay off. In Obekpa's case, saying it wasn't worth it is just being completely ignorant. He has the potential be in the same category as Mutombo , Mourning when all is said and done ( defensively).
We need shooters, no doubt. By the looks of a lot of these games, many teams need shooters. Pitt? Cincy? College basketball, in general, can't shoot. This isn't a St. John's only problem. No one can shoot.
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We signed 4 guys. Marco,Felix,CO and Sanchez. 3 out of 4 wasted scholys
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We signed 4 guys. Marco,Felix,CO and Sanchez. 3 out of 4 wasted scholys
That's a ridiculous statement. It's been one year.
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We signed 4 guys. Marco,Felix,CO and Sanchez. 3 out of 4 wasted scholys
That's a ridiculous statement. It's been one year.
Baldi knows that, just busting balls and waiting for the Gaels.
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Even without Marco and Felix Jon Severe would be coming into a backcourt with presumably Harrison, Branch and Greene. Yeah what playing time?
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We signed 4 guys. Marco,Felix,CO and Sanchez. 3 out of 4 wasted scholys
That's a ridiculous statement. It's been one year.
Baldi knows that, just busting balls and waiting for the Gaels.
Doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out for stupidity.
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We signed 4 guys. Marco,Felix,CO and Sanchez. 3 out of 4 wasted scholys
That's a ridiculous statement. It's been one year.
What's so ridiculous about it? Did the other 3 help the team this year?
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We signed 4 guys. Marco,Felix,CO and Sanchez. 3 out of 4 wasted scholys
That's a ridiculous statement. It's been one year.
What's so ridiculous about it? Did the other 3 help the team this year?
Severe wasn't playing for team this year.
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We signed 4 guys. Marco,Felix,CO and Sanchez. 3 out of 4 wasted scholys
That's a ridiculous statement. It's been one year.
What's so ridiculous about it? Did the other 3 help the team this year?
Big difference between "helping this year" and "wasted scholly." If that were the case, then every transfer that sat a year at Iona would be a wasted scholly.
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Id take Severe over both Marco and Felix.
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We signed 4 guys. Marco,Felix,CO and Sanchez. 3 out of 4 wasted scholys
That's a ridiculous statement. It's been one year.
What's so ridiculous about it? Did the other 3 help the team this year?
Big difference between "helping this year" and "wasted scholly." If that were the case, then every transfer that sat a year at Iona would be a wasted scholly.
Transfers don't sit at Iona. See Sledge, Tavon and Jones, Momo.
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Id take Severe over both Marco and Felix.
Have you ever seem him play?
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Id take Severe over both Marco and Felix.
Can't argue that unless they did positively impact getting Sanchez and Obekpa.
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Id take Severe over both Marco and Felix.
Have you ever seem him play?
Nope, but I've seen the other 2 play
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I've never seen Severe but I haven't given up on Marco yet and I love Felix.
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I've never seen Severe but I haven't given up on Marco yet and I love Felix.
+ 1. Though Maybe I would change love to like in regards to Felix.
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I wish Baldi knew that ballbusting before his big game is never a good omen
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We signed 4 guys. Marco,Felix,CO and Sanchez. 3 out of 4 wasted scholys
That's a ridiculous statement. It's been one year.
What's so ridiculous about it? Did the other 3 help the team this year?
No, but that is not what i was responding to or what you said. My point is that to call 3 guys a waste of scholarships after one year is, in fact, ridiculous.
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We signed 4 guys. Marco,Felix,CO and Sanchez. 3 out of 4 wasted scholys
sounds like a radio host baiting an audience
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We signed 4 guys. Marco,Felix,CO and Sanchez. 3 out of 4 wasted scholys
sounds like a radio host baiting an audience
So Baldi is Francesa all this time?
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Other team has Kob's guy Thomas Bryant. Say want you want, Severe can score.
“@Dylan_Butler: Severe has 21 in one of the best 8 minutes I've seen someone have. CK leads Bishop Kearney 30-18 end 1Q”
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“@NYDNHighSchool: Christ the King up 39-28 at halftime over Kearney. Jon Severe has 28 points.”
“@Dylan_Butler: HALFTIME: CK leads Bishop Kearney 39-28. Severe has 28 points and I'm not sure he missed more than one shot!”
“@CNG_Staszewski: Severe (6-2) just challenged Kearney's 6-10 and 6-11 centers, knocked one to the floor and was fouls. His 2 FTs make it 39-28 CK at the half”
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Dropped 40 tonight in win.
“@CNG_Staszewski: Severe has just been named NYS Mr. Basketball. #BOYSHOOPS”
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Dropped 40 tonight in win.
“@CNG_Staszewski: Severe has just been named NYS Mr. Basketball. #BOYSHOOPS”
This kid should be the Jordan back-up plan. Doesn't sound like we are even in the game though, right?
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Dropped 40 tonight in win.
“@CNG_Staszewski: Severe has just been named NYS Mr. Basketball. #BOYSHOOPS”
This kid should be the Jordan back-up plan. Doesn't sound like we are even in the game though, right?
Right
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“@CNG_Staszewski: Severe (6-2) just challenged Kearney's 6-10 and 6-11 centers, knocked one to the floor and was fouls. His 2 FTs make it 39-28 CK at the half”
Sign him up on the basis of balls alone. ;)
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Who is leading for Severe?
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Dropped 40 tonight in win.
“@CNG_Staszewski: Severe has just been named NYS Mr. Basketball. #BOYSHOOPS”
This kid should be the Jordan back-up plan. Doesn't sound like we are even in the game though, right?
Sounds like he should have been the primary target.
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Building a pipeline to Christ the king will also help recruiting long term and that is more important then obekba
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We are not recruiting him, never were
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We are not recruiting him, never were
Why would we? We gotta enough guys who can put the ball in the hole
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We are not recruiting him, never were
Why would we? We gotta enough guys who can put the ball in the hole
Too much skill.
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“@Dylan_Butler: Halftime: CK leads Long Island Lutheran 38-35. Real good one. Severe with 19. Facey with an unofficial 10”
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“@Dylan_Butler: Severe has 28 and Alkins is proving the future is very bright at CK. Royals lead 57-42 end of 3Q. The freshman has 10.”
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Cue , chilleb.
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Chille,
Guess you had a point about Severe! Lol 68 points in two tourney games. Not bad!
“@NYDNHighSchool: MVP Jon Severe scored 28 points and had eight rebounds and three steals. Rawle Alkins had 12 points and seven rebounds.”
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Do we have a coach sitting on his stoop waiting for him to come home?
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Do we have a coach sitting on his stoop waiting for him to come home?
No, when we don't get Jordan, Plan B is a French walk on.
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Do we have a coach sitting on his stoop waiting for him to come home?
No, when we don't get Jordan, Plan B is a French walk on.
everyone loved frenchie when he wasn't getting any run.... now he's the butt of everyone's jokes... gotta love it! ;D
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Do we have a coach sitting on his stoop waiting for him to come home?
No, when we don't get Jordan, Plan B is a French walk on.
everyone loved frenchie when he wasn't getting any run.... now he's the butt of everyone's jokes... gotta love it! ;D
Yet he somehow for 3-4 game stretch was arguably our best player.
What happened?
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Do we have a coach sitting on his stoop waiting for him to come home?
No, when we don't get Jordan, Plan B is a French walk on.
everyone loved frenchie when he wasn't getting any run.... now he's the butt of everyone's jokes... gotta love it! ;D
Yet he somehow for 3-4 game stretch was arguably our best player.
What happened?
Well, i'm not sure I would go that far.. He had a mini hot streak in a blow out( geogetown, i think).
regardless, i think it became clear that Phil Greene> Marco .
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Do we have a coach sitting on his stoop waiting for him to come home?
No, when we don't get Jordan, Plan B is a French walk on.
everyone loved frenchie when he wasn't getting any run.... now he's the butt of everyone's jokes... gotta love it! ;D
Yet he somehow for 3-4 game stretch was arguably our best player.
What happened?
Well, i'm not sure I would go that far.. He had a mini hot streak in a blow out( geogetown, i think).
regardless, i think it became clear that Phil Greene> Marco .
Phil is definitely better. But for that 3-4 game stretch he was on. Gtown game wasn't really in doubt but when Branch went down he came in and was firing. After that however.........
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Do we have a coach sitting on his stoop waiting for him to come home?
No, when we don't get Jordan, Plan B is a French walk on.
everyone loved frenchie when he wasn't getting any run.... now he's the butt of everyone's jokes... gotta love it! ;D
Yet he somehow for 3-4 game stretch was arguably our best player.
What happened?
Best player? I can't think of one game.
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Do we have a coach sitting on his stoop waiting for him to come home?
No, when we don't get Jordan, Plan B is a French walk on.
everyone loved frenchie when he wasn't getting any run.... now he's the butt of everyone's jokes... gotta love it! ;D
Yet he somehow for 3-4 game stretch was arguably our best player.
What happened?
Best player? I can't think of one game.
He was key part of Uconn and USF wins, no? Maybe its the surprise factor that he went from non existent to those two.
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Gotta give Chilleb props because regardless of where he ends up the kid had a great year and Chilleb has been all over him for a long time
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Gotta give Chilleb props because regardless of where he ends up the kid had a great year and Chilleb has been all over him for a long time
Can he play in college first? :)
Nobody ever questioned how good of a HS player he was
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Do we have a coach sitting on his stoop waiting for him to come home?
No, when we don't get Jordan, Plan B is a French walk on.
everyone loved frenchie when he wasn't getting any run.... now he's the butt of everyone's jokes... gotta love it! ;D
Yet he somehow for 3-4 game stretch was arguably our best player.
What happened?
Best player? I can't think of one game.
He was key part of Uconn and USF wins, no? Maybe its the surprise factor that he went from non existent to those two.
He helped but wasn't key and far from our best player. He showed us why lavin wasn't playing him with his performance after those games.
He is a 3 point specialist that shoots 30% and doesn't do anything else well
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Do we have a coach sitting on his stoop waiting for him to come home?
No, when we don't get Jordan, Plan B is a French walk on.
everyone loved frenchie when he wasn't getting any run.... now he's the butt of everyone's jokes... gotta love it! ;D
Yet he somehow for 3-4 game stretch was arguably our best player.
What happened?
Best player? I can't think of one game.
He was key part of Uconn and USF wins, no? Maybe its the surprise factor that he went from non existent to those two.
He helped but wasn't key and far from our best player. He showed us why lavin wasn't playing him with his performance after those games.
He is a 3 point specialist that shoots 30% and doesn't do anything else well
I felt his hot start against Uconn propelled us out to the lead and then actually he didn't get many other looks or touches rest of the way as the lead whittled away.
Whatever though. Plenty of time and threads this summer to debate how bad he is.
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Gotta give Chilleb props because regardless of where he ends up the kid had a great year and Chilleb has been all over him for a long time
Can he play in college first? :)
By then I'd probably forget to give Chilleb props so I'd rather just do it now while it's on my mind :)
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Interesting;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Creighton is looking to get involved with Christ the King's Jon Severe, expected to come to school this week.”
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Interesting;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Creighton is looking to get involved with Christ the King's Jon Severe, expected to come to school this week.”
There a 5 guys I'd have take a hike to bring him.
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Interesting;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Creighton is looking to get involved with Christ the King's Jon Severe, expected to come to school this week.”
There a 5 guys I'd have take a hike to bring him.
Not suggesting we should offer Severe, but chuckle when folks say he is a A10 level player. If so, what are we? Suggest we keep an open mind about folks who may be be solid complimentary players. A lot of Tourney teams I' m watching seem good at that.
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Interesting;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Creighton is looking to get involved with Christ the King's Jon Severe, expected to come to school this week.”
There a 5 guys I'd have take a hike to bring him.
Not suggesting we should offer Severe, but chuckle when folks say he is a A10 level player. If so, what are we? Suggest we keep an open mind about folks who may be at best be complimentary players. A lot of solid Tourney teams I' m watching seem good at that.
If a guy doesn't come in an average 10 a game our fans think he sucks. Problem is thats the position we're in. Living year to year hoping next year brings the magic piece. I'm sure Severe will be a darn good player. Like I said if he prepped based on our schollies it would be ideal. But he's not. Why we haven't recruited someone would have to ask Lavin. By JR year I'm sure Severe will be darn good.
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Interesting;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Creighton is looking to get involved with Christ the King's Jon Severe, expected to come to school this week.”
There a 5 guys I'd have take a hike to bring him.
Not suggesting we should offer Severe, but chuckle when folks say he is a A10 level player. If so, what are we? Suggest we keep an open mind about folks who may be at best be complimentary players. A lot of solid Tourney teams I' m watching seem good at that.
If a guy doesn't come in an average 10 a game our fans think he sucks. Problem is thats the position we're in. Living year to year hoping next year brings the magic piece. I'm sure Severe will be a darn good player. Like I said if he prepped based on our schollies it would be ideal. But he's not. Why we haven't recruited someone would have to ask Lavin. By JR year I'm sure Severe will be darn good.
Just as Felix will.
Cant believe some folks suggest jettisoning that brother. Ridic in the most extreme.
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Interesting;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Creighton is looking to get involved with Christ the King's Jon Severe, expected to come to school this week.”
There a 5 guys I'd have take a hike to bring him.
Not suggesting we should offer Severe, but chuckle when folks say he is a A10 level player. If so, what are we? Suggest we keep an open mind about folks who may be be solid complimentary players. A lot of Tourney teams I' m watching seem good at that.
We are two points better than the 8th best A10 team. So, I'd say we'd finish 7th in the A10. Anyone that says a player like this isn't right for our program doesn't have our best interests in mind. He is exactly what we are missing.
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Interesting;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Creighton is looking to get involved with Christ the King's Jon Severe, expected to come to school this week.”
There a 5 guys I'd have take a hike to bring him.
Not suggesting we should offer Severe, but chuckle when folks say he is a A10 level player. If so, what are we? Suggest we keep an open mind about folks who may be at best be complimentary players. A lot of solid Tourney teams I' m watching seem good at that.
If a guy doesn't come in an average 10 a game our fans think he sucks. Problem is thats the position we're in. Living year to year hoping next year brings the magic piece. I'm sure Severe will be a darn good player. Like I said if he prepped based on our schollies it would be ideal. But he's not. Why we haven't recruited someone would have to ask Lavin. By JR year I'm sure Severe will be darn good.
Just as Felix will.
Cant believe some folks suggest jettisoning that brother. Ridic in the most extreme.
What is ridic is having 10 guys who can't hit a 3. If the same team returns what is the point in buying tickets?
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Interesting;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Creighton is looking to get involved with Christ the King's Jon Severe, expected to come to school this week.”
There a 5 guys I'd have take a hike to bring him.
Not suggesting we should offer Severe, but chuckle when folks say he is a A10 level player. If so, what are we? Suggest we keep an open mind about folks who may be at best be complimentary players. A lot of solid Tourney teams I' m watching seem good at that.
If a guy doesn't come in an average 10 a game our fans think he sucks. Problem is thats the position we're in. Living year to year hoping next year brings the magic piece. I'm sure Severe will be a darn good player. Like I said if he prepped based on our schollies it would be ideal. But he's not. Why we haven't recruited someone would have to ask Lavin. By JR year I'm sure Severe will be darn good.
Just as Felix will.
Cant believe some folks suggest jettisoning that brother. Ridic in the most extreme.
What is ridic is having 10 guys who can't hit a 3. If the same team returns what is the point in buying tickets?
Don't. Who do you want off the team next year? What 5 guys have you seen enough of that you'd like to see them pack their bags?
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Interesting;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Creighton is looking to get involved with Christ the King's Jon Severe, expected to come to school this week.”
There a 5 guys I'd have take a hike to bring him.
Not suggesting we should offer Severe, but chuckle when folks say he is a A10 level player. If so, what are we? Suggest we keep an open mind about folks who may be be solid complimentary players. A lot of Tourney teams I' m watching seem good at that.
We are two points better than the 8th best A10 team. So, I'd say we'd finish 7th in the A10. Anyone that says a player like this isn't right for our program doesn't have our best interests in mind. He is exactly what we are missing.
I tend to agree.
I mean that kid did score 40 the other night in the state championship (semifinal?) game. Dwight hardy was a 6'2 shooting guard who scored a lot of points in NYC high school games, who knows?
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe says he will cut his list tonight ...”
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“@AdamZagoria: Jon Severe has yet to cut his list, with Creighton & K-State trying for a late push.”
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I saw the kid in person at the CHSAA final vs Loughlin. Was there to see Carrington but Severe is just a classic scorer. Tough kid, confident with his jumper, and pretty fearless attacking the rim. Not a bad athlete either. Would he cure all of our problems? No. Is he better than Rysheed Jordan? Probably not. Would he help us? Yes for sure. He can put the ball in the basket. I don't think you can argue that.
Why he isn't being recruited is a head scratcher in my opinion.
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Do we have a coach sitting on his stoop waiting for him to come home?
No, when we don't get Jordan, Plan B is a French walk on.
everyone loved frenchie when he wasn't getting any run.... now he's the butt of everyone's jokes... gotta love it! ;D
Yet he somehow for 3-4 game stretch was arguably our best player.
What happened?
Well, i'm not sure I would go that far.. He had a mini hot streak in a blow out( geogetown, i think).
regardless, i think it became clear that Phil Greene> Marco .
Even clearer: Phil :knuppel2: Marco
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Mark my words, we will refuse to offer Severe, and he will turn into the next Calhoun nailing 3's, penetrating, and just scoring all over the place. He will be exactly what we needed and we will have to be reminded when he plays for another Big East school against us. I don't care about anything else...he knows how to shoot right? Perfect. Offer him asap. We are the most desperate team in the nation for shooting especially 3's.
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Mark my words, we will refuse to offer Severe, and he will turn into the next Calhoun nailing 3's, penetrating, and just scoring all over the place. He will be exactly what we needed and we will have to be reminded when he plays for another Big East school against us. I don't care about anything else...he knows how to shoot right? Perfect. Offer him asap. We are the most desperate team in the nation for shooting especially 3's.
What makes you think offering him he will faint in excitement and come here?
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He'd probably wonder why we ignored him for the past two seasons.
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I really hope the whole Mullin thing is a stupid rumor, but him being coach is only scenario I can envision where Severe is in red.
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I know it may sound crazy to the St.John's faithful, but I really believe that a guy who is really good at the shooting part of basketball is the kind of guy we should be recruiting.
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I know it may sound crazy to the St.John's faithful, but I really believe that a guy who is really good at the shooting part of basketball is the kind of guy we should be recruiting.
Now that is really smart and witty this board would be nowhere without your insightful diagnosis.
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I know it may sound crazy to the St.John's faithful, but I really believe that a guy who is really good at the shooting part of basketball is the kind of guy we should be recruiting.
Now that is really smart and witty this board would be nowhere without your insightful diagnosis.
Yea, that's not a sentence. FWIW, I said the same thing regarding Quincy Douby, but WE didn't offer him a ship, either.
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So he 'cut' his list to 10 schools per Wingate?
http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1487711 (http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1487711)
NYCHoops.net spoke with Severe before he left for Albany to participate in the State Championship and he said he would cut his list down on Saturday night. True to his word, Severe texted us his list of ten schools saying, "Not in order: West Virginia, Pitt, Rutgers, Fordham, Seton Hall, Duquesne, George Washington, Kansas State, Boston College, CREIGHTON."
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Will make his decision on May 22nd
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Looks like we can lock up this thread
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Brutal
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Will make his decision on May 22nd
He won't sign an NLI since that is a full week after the signing period ends.
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
If one team got all the high-major NYC kids and nothing else, they'd be a national title contender every year
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
If one team got all the high-major NYC kids and nothing else, they'd be a national title contender every year
In 1990 maybe. The best players from NY don't even play HS in New York .
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
I don't think it is an anti-St. John's thing. I think kids want to get the hell out of NY, and Happy is right, the majority of high level kids aren't even sticking around NYC for HS
Harkless didn't seem to mind staying home.
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
If one team got all the high-major NYC kids and nothing else, they'd be a national title contender every year
In 1990 maybe. The best players from NY don't even play HS in New York .
if you got the top players from NYC high schools the past 5 years your recruiting classes would look like this:
2012: Omar Calhoun, Daniel Dingle, Thaddeus Hall, Nkereuwem Okoro
2011: Sidiki Johnson, Jermaine Sanders, Ryan Rhoomes, Kadeem Jack
2010: Jayvaughn Pinkston, Shane Southwell
2009: Lance Stephenson, Durand Scott, James Padgett,
2008: Kemba Walker, Sylven Landesberg, Truck Bryant, Erving Walker
So you're saying if one team got all these guys they wouldnt be national championship contenders year in and year out? Not to mention all the talent that is coming in the next few years with Whitehead, Alkins, Santos, McKennon etc.
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There is still plenty of talent out here i.e. Lawrence, McCollough, Severe, etc. but none of them want any part of us. I would send teams of researchers to find out why. It's not like we get a decent amount of good NYC players and just miss a few...literally none of the major top 25 talent in NYC wants to come here. Harkless was in the 40's. My question is when can we finally bag a Lawrence or McCollough? We can't keep losing the best in our backyard.
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
If one team got all the high-major NYC kids and nothing else, they'd be a national title contender every year
In 1990 maybe. The best players from NY don't even play HS in New York .
if you got the top players from NYC high schools the past 5 years your recruiting classes would look like this:
2012: Omar Calhoun, Daniel Dingle, Thaddeus Hall, Nkereuwem Okoro
2011: Sidiki Johnson, Jermaine Sanders, Ryan Rhoomes, Kadeem Jack
2010: Jayvaughn Pinkston, Shane Southwell
2009: Lance Stephenson, Durand Scott, James Padgett,
2008: Kemba Walker, Sylven Landesberg, Truck Bryant, Erving Walker
So you're saying if one team got all these guys they wouldnt be national championship contenders year in and year out? Not to mention all the talent that is coming in the next few years with Whitehead, Alkins, Santos, McKennon etc.
Lamont Jones
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
If one team got all the high-major NYC kids and nothing else, they'd be a national title contender every year
In 1990 maybe. The best players from NY don't even play HS in New York .
if you got the top players from NYC high schools the past 5 years your recruiting classes would look like this:
2012: Omar Calhoun, Daniel Dingle, Thaddeus Hall, Nkereuwem Okoro
2011: Sidiki Johnson, Jermaine Sanders, Ryan Rhoomes, Kadeem Jack
2010: Jayvaughn Pinkston, Shane Southwell
2009: Lance Stephenson, Durand Scott, James Padgett,
2008: Kemba Walker, Sylven Landesberg, Truck Bryant, Erving Walker
So you're saying if one team got all these guys they wouldnt be national championship contenders year in and year out? Not to mention all the talent that is coming in the next few years with Whitehead, Alkins, Santos, McKennon etc.
Lamont Jones
Theres probably a few that I missed. You could also count Russ Smith as he spent his HS years in NYC. NYC is producing a ton of talent year in and year out, maybe not as much as it used to but its still probably the best HS basketball city in the country
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
If one team got all the high-major NYC kids and nothing else, they'd be a national title contender every year
In 1990 maybe. The best players from NY don't even play HS in New York .
if you got the top players from NYC high schools the past 5 years your recruiting classes would look like this:
2012: Omar Calhoun, Daniel Dingle, Thaddeus Hall, Nkereuwem Okoro
2011: Sidiki Johnson, Jermaine Sanders, Ryan Rhoomes, Kadeem Jack
2010: Jayvaughn Pinkston, Shane Southwell
2009: Lance Stephenson, Durand Scott, James Padgett,
2008: Kemba Walker, Sylven Landesberg, Truck Bryant, Erving Walker
So you're saying if one team got all these guys they wouldnt be national championship contenders year in and year out? Not to mention all the talent that is coming in the next few years with Whitehead, Alkins, Santos, McKennon etc.
Lamont Jones
Theres probably a few that I missed. You could also count Russ Smith as he spent his HS years in NYC. NYC is producing a ton of talent year in and year out, maybe not as much as it used to but its still probably the best HS basketball city in the country
We've had this discussion before. Your never going to keep them all. If you keep 1 the one you want then your doing just fine. We've missed on some. Lawrence, McCullough. Pinkston under Norm.
But just remember this kids aren't exactly growing up in Trump Tower. The idea of them getting away to a green campus somewhere else in the country start adding in factors like HOF coaches, top 25 rankings etc and its pretty easy to see why so many leave.
In fact now your seeing them leave DURING HS to play HS ball outside NYC. Times have changes. Most want to leave.
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Agreed Moose... I would want to leave also. You can't make kids stay home.
Wasn't Harkless the best player in NYC?
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
If one team got all the high-major NYC kids and nothing else, they'd be a national title contender every year
In 1990 maybe. The best players from NY don't even play HS in New York .
if you got the top players from NYC high schools the past 5 years your recruiting classes would look like this:
2012: Omar Calhoun, Daniel Dingle, Thaddeus Hall, Nkereuwem Okoro
2011: Sidiki Johnson, Jermaine Sanders, Ryan Rhoomes, Kadeem Jack
2010: Jayvaughn Pinkston, Shane Southwell
2009: Lance Stephenson, Durand Scott, James Padgett,
2008: Kemba Walker, Sylven Landesberg, Truck Bryant, Erving Walker
So you're saying if one team got all these guys they wouldnt be national championship contenders year in and year out? Not to mention all the talent that is coming in the next few years with Whitehead, Alkins, Santos, McKennon etc.
Lamont Jones
Theres probably a few that I missed. You could also count Russ Smith as he spent his HS years in NYC. NYC is producing a ton of talent year in and year out, maybe not as much as it used to but its still probably the best HS basketball city in the country
We've had this discussion before. Your never going to keep them all. If you keep 1 the one you want then your doing just fine. We've missed on some. Lawrence, McCullough. Pinkston under Norm.
But just remember this kids aren't exactly growing up in Trump Tower. The idea of them getting away to a green campus somewhere else in the country start adding in factors like HOF coaches, top 25 rankings etc and its pretty easy to see why so many leave.
In fact now your seeing them leave DURING HS to play HS ball outside NYC. Times have changes. Most want to leave.
Im not arguing that at all. It would be completely unrealistic to get even a quarter of these guys in this day and age. Im just arguing that there is still a ton of talent playing HS ball in NYC and there always will be
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
If one team got all the high-major NYC kids and nothing else, they'd be a national title contender every year
In 1990 maybe. The best players from NY don't even play HS in New York .
if you got the top players from NYC high schools the past 5 years your recruiting classes would look like this:
2012: Omar Calhoun, Daniel Dingle, Thaddeus Hall, Nkereuwem Okoro
2011: Sidiki Johnson, Jermaine Sanders, Ryan Rhoomes, Kadeem Jack
2010: Jayvaughn Pinkston, Shane Southwell
2009: Lance Stephenson, Durand Scott, James Padgett,
2008: Kemba Walker, Sylven Landesberg, Truck Bryant, Erving Walker
So you're saying if one team got all these guys they wouldnt be national championship contenders year in and year out? Not to mention all the talent that is coming in the next few years with Whitehead, Alkins, Santos, McKennon etc.
Ummm no. You are grossly overrating the talent. And I'm not sure where you are going with it because we have never got EVERY Ny kid. Not every kid wants to stay home and by your logic other teams would do the same thing. Do you think Texas gets every Texas kid? We have 2 of them :). Also by your list we would be allocated 42 scholarships :). You focus on the best kid every year and you give it a go. NY is on it's way back I believe . Hopefully we can grab one or 2 from that list .
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
If one team got all the high-major NYC kids and nothing else, they'd be a national title contender every year
In 1990 maybe. The best players from NY don't even play HS in New York .
if you got the top players from NYC high schools the past 5 years your recruiting classes would look like this:
2012: Omar Calhoun, Daniel Dingle, Thaddeus Hall, Nkereuwem Okoro
2011: Sidiki Johnson, Jermaine Sanders, Ryan Rhoomes, Kadeem Jack
2010: Jayvaughn Pinkston, Shane Southwell
2009: Lance Stephenson, Durand Scott, James Padgett,
2008: Kemba Walker, Sylven Landesberg, Truck Bryant, Erving Walker
So you're saying if one team got all these guys they wouldnt be national championship contenders year in and year out? Not to mention all the talent that is coming in the next few years with Whitehead, Alkins, Santos, McKennon etc.
Lamont Jones
Theres probably a few that I missed. You could also count Russ Smith as he spent his HS years in NYC. NYC is producing a ton of talent year in and year out, maybe not as much as it used to but its still probably the best HS basketball city in the country
We've had this discussion before. Your never going to keep them all. If you keep 1 the one you want then your doing just fine. We've missed on some. Lawrence, McCullough. Pinkston under Norm.
But just remember this kids aren't exactly growing up in Trump Tower. The idea of them getting away to a green campus somewhere else in the country start adding in factors like HOF coaches, top 25 rankings etc and its pretty easy to see why so many leave.
In fact now your seeing them leave DURING HS to play HS ball outside NYC. Times have changes. Most want to leave.
Im not arguing that at all. It would be completely unrealistic to get even a quarter of these guys in this day and age. Im just arguing that there is still a ton of talent playing HS ball in NYC and there always will be
Understood. Wouldn't say a ton but regardless. Take this year for example.
21. Jermaine Lawrence- Left Queens for the sticks of NJ ;)
65. Kentan Facey- Long Island
115. Terrance Samuel- City
124. Dayshaun Smith- Left City for Prep School in CT
137. Hassan Martin- City
Rivals doesn't have Severe in their Top 150. The man who seems to be causing all the hubbub. To be honest and I know a couple who would agree with me, we are missing out on Smith and Martin more than Severe. They were both grossly under-recruited. But Lav and staff are seemingly going only after THE best NYC players as Boo mentioned above as well. So 5 NY kids in the Top 150. 1 is Long Island 2 cities kids stayed and 2 picked up and left the city. Just this year and just Rivals 150 as example. If anything the lower ranked kids are more likely to want to stay home. But thats not our strategy it seems.
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
If one team got all the high-major NYC kids and nothing else, they'd be a national title contender every year
In 1990 maybe. The best players from NY don't even play HS in New York .
if you got the top players from NYC high schools the past 5 years your recruiting classes would look like this:
2012: Omar Calhoun, Daniel Dingle, Thaddeus Hall, Nkereuwem Okoro
2011: Sidiki Johnson, Jermaine Sanders, Ryan Rhoomes, Kadeem Jack
2010: Jayvaughn Pinkston, Shane Southwell
2009: Lance Stephenson, Durand Scott, James Padgett,
2008: Kemba Walker, Sylven Landesberg, Truck Bryant, Erving Walker
So you're saying if one team got all these guys they wouldnt be national championship contenders year in and year out? Not to mention all the talent that is coming in the next few years with Whitehead, Alkins, Santos, McKennon etc.
Ummm no. You are grossly overrating the talent. And I'm not sure where you are going with it because we have never got EVERY Ny kid. Not every kid wants to stay home and by your logic other teams would do the same thing. Do you think Texas gets every Texas kid? We have 2 of them :). Also by your list we would be allocated 42 scholarships :). You focus on the best kid every year and you give it a go. NY is on it's way back I believe . Hopefully we can grab one or 2 from that list .
All i said was that if one team got the best players from NYC high schools they'd be national title contenders every year and you said maybe in 1990 but not now. Obviously i know its impossible to get all those guys but you cant look at those guys and tell me they wouldnt compete for national championships if on one team.
It would be very hard to find another city in the country with that much HS hoops talent year in and year out
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
If one team got all the high-major NYC kids and nothing else, they'd be a national title contender every year
In 1990 maybe. The best players from NY don't even play HS in New York .
if you got the top players from NYC high schools the past 5 years your recruiting classes would look like this:
2012: Omar Calhoun, Daniel Dingle, Thaddeus Hall, Nkereuwem Okoro
2011: Sidiki Johnson, Jermaine Sanders, Ryan Rhoomes, Kadeem Jack
2010: Jayvaughn Pinkston, Shane Southwell
2009: Lance Stephenson, Durand Scott, James Padgett,
2008: Kemba Walker, Sylven Landesberg, Truck Bryant, Erving Walker
So you're saying if one team got all these guys they wouldnt be national championship contenders year in and year out? Not to mention all the talent that is coming in the next few years with Whitehead, Alkins, Santos, McKennon etc.
Lamont Jones
Theres probably a few that I missed. You could also count Russ Smith as he spent his HS years in NYC. NYC is producing a ton of talent year in and year out, maybe not as much as it used to but its still probably the best HS basketball city in the country
We've had this discussion before. Your never going to keep them all. If you keep 1 the one you want then your doing just fine. We've missed on some. Lawrence, McCullough. Pinkston under Norm.
But just remember this kids aren't exactly growing up in Trump Tower. The idea of them getting away to a green campus somewhere else in the country start adding in factors like HOF coaches, top 25 rankings etc and its pretty easy to see why so many leave.
In fact now your seeing them leave DURING HS to play HS ball outside NYC. Times have changes. Most want to leave.
Im not arguing that at all. It would be completely unrealistic to get even a quarter of these guys in this day and age. Im just arguing that there is still a ton of talent playing HS ball in NYC and there always will be
Understood. Wouldn't say a ton but regardless. Take this year for example.
21. Jermaine Lawrence- Left Queens for the sticks of NJ ;)
65. Kentan Facey- Long Island
115. Terrance Samuel- City
124. Dayshaun Smith- Left City for Prep School in CT
137. Hassan Martin- City
Rivals doesn't have Severe in their Top 150. The man who seems to be causing all the hubbub. To be honest and I know a couple who would agree with me, we are missing out on Smith and Martin more than Severe. They were both grossly under-recruited. But Lav and staff are seemingly going only after THE best NYC players as Boo mentioned above as well. So 5 NY kids in the Top 150. 1 is Long Island 2 cities kids stayed and 2 picked up and left the city. Just this year and just Rivals 150 as example. If anything the lower ranked kids are more likely to want to stay home. But thats not our strategy it seems.
Maybe that strategy should be modified. Interesting related article;
“@YahooForde: New column: The Sweet 16 is a 3-star playground and a 5-star ghost town this year. http://yhoo.it/YdVXQS (http://yhoo.it/YdVXQS)”
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One thing is certain: NYC players do not want to play here by in large.
How many high-major-level kids does NYC produce these days?
If one team got all the high-major NYC kids and nothing else, they'd be a national title contender every year
In 1990 maybe. The best players from NY don't even play HS in New York .
if you got the top players from NYC high schools the past 5 years your recruiting classes would look like this:
2012: Omar Calhoun, Daniel Dingle, Thaddeus Hall, Nkereuwem Okoro
2011: Sidiki Johnson, Jermaine Sanders, Ryan Rhoomes, Kadeem Jack
2010: Jayvaughn Pinkston, Shane Southwell
2009: Lance Stephenson, Durand Scott, James Padgett,
2008: Kemba Walker, Sylven Landesberg, Truck Bryant, Erving Walker
So you're saying if one team got all these guys they wouldnt be national championship contenders year in and year out? Not to mention all the talent that is coming in the next few years with Whitehead, Alkins, Santos, McKennon etc.
Ummm no. You are grossly overrating the talent. And I'm not sure where you are going with it because we have never got EVERY Ny kid. Not every kid wants to stay home and by your logic other teams would do the same thing. Do you think Texas gets every Texas kid? We have 2 of them :). Also by your list we would be allocated 42 scholarships :). You focus on the best kid every year and you give it a go. NY is on it's way back I believe . Hopefully we can grab one or 2 from that list .
All i said was that if one team got the best players from NYC high schools they'd be national title contenders every year and you said maybe in 1990 but not now. Obviously i know its impossible to get all those guys but you cant look at those guys and tell me they wouldnt compete for national championships if on one team.
It would be very hard to find another city in the country with that much HS hoops talent year in and year out
Do you know how good Rutgers would be if they kept every NJ kid? Hard to find ? Pick any city up and down the east coast at the present. Jersey and Philly for example have better talent year in and out. Like I said NY isn't what it used to be and I said 1990 because that was the real boom in AAU ball. Before that kids would want to stay home because they didn't know anything different. The traveling AAU team introduced these kids to different cities , different girls and a different way of life.
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I can't tell because of the damn quote function.. But whoever posted that we are missing out on Scoochie and Martin more than Severe has it dead on. As far as need a slippery point guard and active motor forward who dunks everything would be just what we need.
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I can't tell because of the damn quote function.. But whoever posted that we are missing out on Scoochie and Martin more than Severe has it dead on. As far as need a slippery point guard and active motor forward who dunks everything would be just what we need.
Plus scoochie is a pretty damn cool nick name :)
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For purposes of Lavin and Co., you can only focus on the 2011 and 2012 classes, plus anyone who backed out of a commitment or was not signed when he took over in 2010.
2011 - We got Harkless, who was the best player IMO. No one had a problem with the guys we signed that year.
2012 - We got Obekpa. I think that either him or Calhoun will end up being the best out of that group. I would have loved Calhoun too, but he picked UCONN. We also picked up Felix who might be a nice 4 year player. Jack couldn't come here because of Hicks. And we lost out on MoMo as a transfer because of Hicks.
2013 -- We missed on Lawrence, who probably will be the best player.
2014 - We missed on CM, but that could change. Hopefully we get Carrington.
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Nice layout there PrJohnnies... With that it is pretty clear that the recruiting has been very good since Steve took over the reigns. The results on the court may not have been optimum to this point, but NO ONE was second guessing any of theses kids when they signed on, quite the opposite as a matter of fact.
Now the roster needs to be fined tuned, which I hope is the objective.
Criticize the in-game coaching, the execution of the players ( insert joke), and the lack of offensive scheme all you want, it's all fair game. To criticize the recruiting is , IMO, a huge instance of monday morning quarterbacking..
Severe isn't even a top 150? I didn't even know that. That is nuts. Everyone is sweating him like he's Marbury or something. He may very well turn out to be a great player, but the staff decided to focus their efforts on a top 15 kid ( Jordan). Should we really be killing them for choosing a 5 star recruit over a top 150 ?
Lawrence chose Cincy over STJ. Can anyone explain that one?
McCullough chose Cuse. What are you going to do? They are one of the best programs in the country with a HOF coach and you get to play in front of 30k on the regular basis. Oh well..
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Nice layout there PrJohnnies... With that it is pretty clear that the recruiting has been very good since Steve took over the reigns. The results on the court may not have been optimum to this point, but NO ONE was second guessing any of theses kids when they signed on, quite the opposite as a matter of fact.
Now the roster needs to be fined tuned, which I hope is the objective.
Criticize the in-game coaching, the execution of the players ( insert joke), and the lack of offensive scheme all you want, it's all fair game. To criticize the recruiting is , IMO, a huge instance of monday morning quarterbacking..
Severe isn't even a top 150? I didn't even know that. That is nuts. Everyone is sweating him like he's Marbury or something. He may very well turn out to be a great player, but the staff decided to focus their efforts on a top 15 kid ( Jordan). Should we really be killing them for choosing a 5 star recruit over a top 150 ?
Lawrence chose Cincy over STJ. Can anyone explain that one?
McCullough chose Cuse. What are you going to do? They are one of the best programs in the country with a HOF coach and you get to play in front of 30k on the regular basis. Oh well..
Good post
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Just wanna say how boo has become the authoritative voice of reason on this here board.
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There is still plenty of talent out here i.e. Lawrence, McCollough, Severe, etc. but none of them want any part of us. I would send teams of researchers to find out why. It's not like we get a decent amount of good NYC players and just miss a few...literally none of the major top 25 talent in NYC wants to come here. Harkless was in the 40's. My question is when can we finally bag a Lawrence or McCollough? We can't keep losing the best in our backyard.
You really need researchers to tell you that we haven't been winning, therefore...?
It is especially easy for locals to view us as irrelevant because they are here and are reminded of the losses from local sports coverage. Look at the s hools listed by the top 25 kids. They all have the same 7-8 programs, with maybe a local program listed. They seldom go to the local schools unless they are one of the elite schools. EVERY top kid lists Kentucky, whether they've been contacted or not.
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There is still plenty of talent out here i.e. Lawrence, McCollough, Severe, etc. but none of them want any part of us. I would send teams of researchers to find out why. It's not like we get a decent amount of good NYC players and just miss a few...literally none of the major top 25 talent in NYC wants to come here. Harkless was in the 40's. My question is when can we finally bag a Lawrence or McCollough? We can't keep losing the best in our backyard.
You really need researchers to tell you that we haven't been winning, therefore...?
It is especially easy for locals to view us as irrelevant because they are here and are reminded of the losses from local sports coverage. Look at the s hools listed by the top 25 kids. They all have the same 7-8 programs, with maybe a local program listed. They seldom go to the local schools unless they are one of the elite schools. EVERY top kid lists Kentucky, whether they've been contacted or not.
Not every recruit cares if they go to the most winningest program...exhibit A is Jermaine Lawrence. Even in a terrible year we finished about the same as them. They are only going to get worse next year losing Wright who is probably their best player, then Kilpatrick will be gone after that.
So unless Lawrence is a 1 and done he will be on a bad Cincy team his soph year. I would argue that our roster is more stacked than Cincy's for next year assuming everyone is back and we would have been ready to win now when he came here. He joins Cincy when they are falling. From Sweet 16 last year, to ranked #14, to falling apart, barely making the tourney unranked and losing 1st round to Creighton. Now they lose a huge piece in Wright. We have the more talented squad and we should do better than them next year. Look at Aquille Carr...he was a beast of a recruit and he committed to Seton Hall before everything went downhill for him. Great local players DO stay loyal sometimes.
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There is still plenty of talent out here i.e. Lawrence, McCollough, Severe, etc. but none of them want any part of us. I would send teams of researchers to find out why. It's not like we get a decent amount of good NYC players and just miss a few...literally none of the major top 25 talent in NYC wants to come here. Harkless was in the 40's. My question is when can we finally bag a Lawrence or McCollough? We can't keep losing the best in our backyard.
You really need researchers to tell you that we haven't been winning, therefore...?
It is especially easy for locals to view us as irrelevant because they are here and are reminded of the losses from local sports coverage. Look at the s hools listed by the top 25 kids. They all have the same 7-8 programs, with maybe a local program listed. They seldom go to the local schools unless they are one of the elite schools. EVERY top kid lists Kentucky, whether they've been contacted or not.
Not every recruit cares if they go to the most winningest program...exhibit A is Jermaine Lawrence. Even in a terrible year we finished about the same as them. They are only going to get worse next year losing Wright who is probably their best player, then Kilpatrick will be gone after that.
So unless Lawrence is a 1 and done he will be on a bad Cincy team his soph year. I would argue that our roster is more stacked than Cincy's for next year assuming everyone is back and we would have been ready to win now when he came here. He joins Cincy when they are falling. From Sweet 16 last year, to ranked #14, to falling apart, barely making the tourney unranked and losing 1st round to Creighton. Now they lose a huge piece in Wright. We have the more talented squad and we should do better than them next year. Look at Aquille Carr...he was a beast of a recruit and he committed to Seton Hall before everything went downhill for him. Great local players DO stay loyal sometimes.
They danced. We didn't. That isn't 'about' the same, no matter how you skin the cat.
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nice to come back after 2 days and see you guys stirring the pot on the NYC talent , and discussing how good my boy severe is. gotta love it! and shoutout to moose for killing my 15 seconds of fame before it even begun. the kid is gonna be dynamite in college.
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nice to come back after 2 days and see you guys stirring the pot on the NYC talent , and discussing how good my boy severe is. gotta love it! and shoutout to moose for killing my 15 seconds of fame before it even begun. the kid is gonna be dynamite in college.
Depending where he goes I think he can be good in college but it won't be likely until Jr year if its high level school
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Having only seen him a few times, I agree it will take time for him to become a solid college player. Expect same learning curve with Carrington if we get him. Hopefully Carrington's shooting improves. Not there now IMO.
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Look at Aquille Carr...he was a beast of a recruit and he committed to Seton Hall before everything went downhill for him. Great local players DO stay loyal sometimes.
What does Aquille Carr verballing to SHU have to do with this conversation. He was a Baltimore kid who committed to an NJ school..?
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Look at Aquille Carr...he was a beast of a recruit and he committed to Seton Hall before everything went downhill for him. Great local players DO stay loyal sometimes.
What does Aquille Carr verballing to SHU have to do with this conversation. He was a Baltimore kid who committed to an NJ school..?
...knowing that his academics left him few choices. What big schools offered Aquille?
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As far as Jermaine Lawrence, I'm not sure he just picked Cinci over us because he felt it was a better fit. There's more to the story than that---and there are already romors that he may do a year of prep (not because he needs it academically).
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nice to come back after 2 days and see you guys stirring the pot on the NYC talent , and discussing how good my boy severe is. gotta love it! and shoutout to moose for killing my 15 seconds of fame before it even begun. the kid is gonna be dynamite in college.
Depending where he goes I think he can be good in college but it won't be likely until Jr year if its high level school
Touché
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Just wanna say how boo has become the authoritative voice of reason on this here board.
While I appreciate the compliment, it doesn't say much for the overall mental stability of the board...
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“@ctkcoachjarbs: Congratulations to @Jsevere23 for being named TRI-STATE POY. Well deserved and first one in school history.”
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“@nydnmabramson: Christ the King senior Jon Severe and Jr. big man Adonis Delarosa are currently meeting with Pitt coach Jamie Dixon at school, per Severe.”
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“@nydnmabramson: Christ the King senior Jon Severe and Jr. big man Adonis Delarosa are currently meeting with Pitt coach Jamie Dixon at school, per Severe.”
Awesome a 3 for 1 package deal :)
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Where is Lavin?
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“@nydnmabramson: Christ the King senior Jon Severe and Jr. big man Adonis Delarosa are currently meeting with Pitt coach Jamie Dixon at school, per Severe.”
Awesome a 3 for 1 package deal :)
Ha! Adonis is a house!
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Where is Lavin?
Not recruiting this kid..
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Saw severe tonight, I change my mind he should go A-10 and be a 14-18 ppg player from day one. Going to a big school will slow the process down, with that said this kid is big time.
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Saw severe tonight, I change my mind he should go A-10 and be a 14-18 ppg player from day one. Going to a big school will slow the process down, with that said this kid is big time.
I've been saying that for months man. :). Saying that he should go A 10 was never a slight on his ability .
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Saw severe tonight, I change my mind he should go A-10 and be a 14-18 ppg player from day one. Going to a big school will slow the process down, with that said this kid is big time.
I've been saying that for months man. :). Saying that he should go A 10 was never a slight on his ability .
Stood next to him , him being more close to 6'0 even then the listed 6'3 was the mind changer.
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Man this kid would have a huge green light in New Ro
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I don't follow recruiting like You guys. All I heard is he is the best player in NYC and he can shoot. He plays for the best team in the city. Why are we not recruiting him? And why are we taking chances on Felix and Marco ? Makes no sense to me.
There were 6 rides available when they were recruiting Felix and Marco, there are 0 rides available now if Dlo comes back.
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I have not, and still do not see what Marco brings to the table.
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Marco may have been a package deal w Sanchez. I too,however dont see Marcp contributing much next year w Hooper aboard.
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guys we cant say what hooper is gonna do if we never seen him play
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I have not, and still do not see what Marco brings to the table.
French cuisine?
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guys we cant say what hooper is gonna do if we never seen him play
What do you mean? He is the next great shooter for the program! Everyone will sit for him!
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Assume you're talking about the long time fans. They sit for everybody. ;)
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Man this kid would have a huge green light in New Ro
Has had a huge green light. I never watch HS ball, but this is what I heard. Guys game is to hang and break, and build up his scoring stats. If true and ok with his coach thats fine. If true, and your looking him over, not so fine. Those who have seen him play, does he do it all, or part of it?
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“@TheRecruitScoop: 2013 Christ the King (NY) SG Jon Severe is on the Seton Hall campus today.”
Was heading to visit Rutgers, but made a U turn. Kidding
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Man this kid would have a huge green light in New Ro
Has had a huge green light. I never watch HS ball, but this is what I heard. Guys game is to hang and break, and build up his scoring stats. If true and ok with his coach thats fine. If true, and your looking him over, not so fine. Those who have seen him play, does he do it all, or part of it?
The Green light that Severe had was no more or less than any kid who's the best player on his high school team has, and he did not abuse the privilege with bad shots. Omar Calhoun hunted his shot much more the year before and assimilated at the college level just fine. There's every reason to think Jon will do the same. Also, the notion that he's a basket hanger and doesn't play defense is ridiculous, he makes winning plays at both ends of the floor and while, like all freshman he'll need time for the game to slow down for him, he'll be very good no matter the level he plays at
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Man this kid would have a huge green light in New Ro
Has had a huge green light. I never watch HS ball, but this is what I heard. Guys game is to hang and break, and build up his scoring stats. If true and ok with his coach thats fine. If true, and your looking him over, not so fine. Those who have seen him play, does he do it all, or part of it?
The Green light that Severe had was no more or less than any kid who's the best player on his high school team has, and he did not abuse the privilege with bad shots. Omar Calhoun hunted his shot much more the year before and assimilated at the college level just fine. There's every reason to think Jon will do the same. Also, the notion that he's a basket hanger and doesn't play defense is ridiculous, he makes winning plays at both ends of the floor and while, like all freshman he'll need time for the game to slow down for him, he'll be very good no matter the level he plays at
The question remains, why are we not recruiting him?
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All I hear are rave reviews about his shooting ability. What's our biggest weakness? Shooting ability. So it makes perfect sense to ignore him right? Mark my words he will be the next Calhoun to leave NYC then scorch us in a game. I hope fans can't recruit better than a head coach. I think Lavin has lost some trust after losing out on the can't miss NYC guys. He now needs to prove he can get pure shooters who can make shots outside of just practice.
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All I hear are rave reviews about his shooting ability. What's our biggest weakness? Shooting ability. So it makes perfect sense to ignore him right? Mark my words he will be the next Calhoun to leave NYC then scorch us in a game. I hope fans can't recruit better than a head coach. I think Lavin has lost some trust after losing out on the can't miss NYC guys. He now needs to prove he can get pure shooters who can make shots outside of just practice.
Better yet, another Russ Smith type owning
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The problem is we are chasing top tier talent with a losers pedigree
one and dones don't help programs they help coaches!
Move onto bigger and better
:coolsmiley:
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All I hear are rave reviews about his shooting ability. What's our biggest weakness? Shooting ability. So it makes perfect sense to ignore him right? Mark my words he will be the next Calhoun to leave NYC then scorch us in a game. I hope fans can't recruit better than a head coach. I think Lavin has lost some trust after losing out on the can't miss NYC guys. He now needs to prove he can get pure shooters who can make shots outside of just practice.
Joe, he's not in top 100. Make up your mind. You want it both ways. You just enjoy complaining.
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First of all, he probably will be by the time he actually commits somewhere. He is definitely heating up like an NFL prospect that just had an impressive combine. Either way though, all I hear from every writer or just from people that saw him play is that he is the best shooter in NY. Remind me, what's our biggest need again?
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First of all, he probably will be by the time he actually commits somewhere. He is definitely heating up like an NFL prospect that just had an impressive combine. Either way though, all I hear from every writer or just from people that saw him play is that he is the best shooter in NY. Remind me, what's our biggest need again?
I thought you wanted top 25, top 10?
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We get Severe, he struggles for a few games as a freshman shooting the ball, and then certain clowns on hear complain about how we settle for mid-level recruits instead of going for top players.
It is clear we are not interested in this kid. That may be a mistake on the staff's part, but only time will tell. Lots of people seem to have mixed feelings on him. Only certain high majors have become interested recently, so it isn't like we are the only ones. It may be that a few years down the line though this is one of those city kids we wished we had, especially with our shooting woes. But if we land Jordan it becomes a moot point, no?
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Would rather make a mistake on the best player from NY. From the best team in NY. Then some of the guys we have taken a chance on.
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Decent choices, know Fordham is desperately trying.
“@TheRecruitScoop: 2013 Christ the King (NY) SG Jon Severe cut his list to Pittsburgh, Fordham, Wake Forest, Seton Hall, West Virginia, Duquesne.
Quite a mouthful "Jonny Boy"!
“@JonRothstein: The next Bryce Cotton @TheRecruitScoop: 2013 CTK SG Jon Severe cut his list to Pittsburgh, Fordham, Wake Forest, Seton Hall & West Virginia.”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Pittsburgh really coming on in Jon Severe sweepstakes he may visit after Jordan Classic this weekend Fordham, Wake Forest calling a ton too”
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We get Severe, he struggles for a few games as a freshman shooting the ball, and then certain clowns on hear complain about how we settle for mid-level recruits instead of going for top players.
It is clear we are not interested in this kid. That may be a mistake on the staff's part, but only time will tell. Lots of people seem to have mixed feelings on him. Only certain high majors have become interested recently, so it isn't like we are the only ones. It may be that a few years down the line though this is one of those city kids we wished we had, especially with our shooting woes. But if we land Jordan it becomes a moot point, no?
Yeah cause only clowns complain about a program that has been in the crapper for the past decade save for one season. For all the posters who complain about negative posters let me say just one thing-for the past 10 years every off season and pre season many laud how good of a team we have and what a good season we are going to have and you have been right exactly one time in the last 10 years. By my calculations the so called negative posters have been right to be critical 90 freakin percent of the time and lead the overly optimistic posters 9-1 over the past decade. Hard to argue with the results,
record or the math. That is why so called negative posters don't get under my skin like it seems to do to the keepers of the flame.
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We get Severe, he struggles for a few games as a freshman shooting the ball, and then certain clowns on hear complain about how we settle for mid-level recruits instead of going for top players.
It is clear we are not interested in this kid. That may be a mistake on the staff's part, but only time will tell. Lots of people seem to have mixed feelings on him. Only certain high majors have become interested recently, so it isn't like we are the only ones. It may be that a few years down the line though this is one of those city kids we wished we had, especially with our shooting woes. But if we land Jordan it becomes a moot point, no?
Yeah cause only clowns complain about a program that has been in the crapper for the past decade save for one season. For all the posters who complain about negative posters let me say just one thing-for the past 10 years every off season and pre season many laud how good of a team we have and what a good season we are going to have and you have been right exactly one time in the last 10 years. By my calculations the so called negative posters have been right to be critical 90 freakin percent of the time and lead the overly optimistic posters 9-1 over the past decade. Hard to argue with the results,
record or the math. That is why so called negative posters don't get under my skin like it seems to do to the keepers of the flame.
I thought we all 'root' for the same team?
Yet I keep seeing these two teams mentioned.
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We get Severe, he struggles for a few games as a freshman shooting the ball, and then certain clowns on hear complain about how we settle for mid-level recruits instead of going for top players.
It is clear we are not interested in this kid. That may be a mistake on the staff's part, but only time will tell. Lots of people seem to have mixed feelings on him. Only certain high majors have become interested recently, so it isn't like we are the only ones. It may be that a few years down the line though this is one of those city kids we wished we had, especially with our shooting woes. But if we land Jordan it becomes a moot point, no?
Yeah cause only clowns complain about a program that has been in the crapper for the past decade save for one season. For all the posters who complain about negative posters let me say just one thing-for the past 10 years every off season and pre season many laud how good of a team we have and what a good season we are going to have and you have been right exactly one time in the last 10 years. By my calculations the so called negative posters have been right to be critical 90 freakin percent of the time and lead the overly optimistic posters 9-1 over the past decade. Hard to argue with the results,
record or the math. That is why so called negative posters don't get under my skin like it seems to do to the keepers of the flame.
I thought we all 'root' for the same team?
Yet I keep seeing these two teams mentioned.
Agree Moose. It just seems that when someone disagrees with a positive post they more often stick to topic in their disagreement while when someone is critical and is disagreed with it often times comes after the poster calls out the original poster for being negative and often after stating he should refrain from posting. For example I have chided in good nature with Marillac for stating pre season that Amir was going to be "incredible" for us but I never even intimated that he was not entitled to his opinion. More tolerance for each others opinions all the way around and less vitriole between all posters would be nice because as you stated we all root for the same team (yes, even the so called negative posters. Not saying Baldi is or is not one but he has been accused as not rooting for St J's but I doubt he would spend as much time on this board if he didn't). Even the notorios Realfan roots for St. J's unless he is hoping to get the coach fired and the only time that happened was under Norm.
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We get Severe, he struggles for a few games as a freshman shooting the ball, and then certain clowns on hear complain about how we settle for mid-level recruits instead of going for top players.
It is clear we are not interested in this kid. That may be a mistake on the staff's part, but only time will tell. Lots of people seem to have mixed feelings on him. Only certain high majors have become interested recently, so it isn't like we are the only ones. It may be that a few years down the line though this is one of those city kids we wished we had, especially with our shooting woes. But if we land Jordan it becomes a moot point, no?
Yeah cause only clowns complain about a program that has been in the crapper for the past decade save for one season. For all the posters who complain about negative posters let me say just one thing-for the past 10 years every off season and pre season many laud how good of a team we have and what a good season we are going to have and you have been right exactly one time in the last 10 years. By my calculations the so called negative posters have been right to be critical 90 freakin percent of the time and lead the overly optimistic posters 9-1 over the past decade. Hard to argue with the results,
record or the math. That is why so called negative posters don't get under my skin like it seems to do to the keepers of the flame.
I thought we all 'root' for the same team?
Yet I keep seeing these two teams mentioned.
Agree Moose. It just seems that when someone disagrees with a positive post they more often stick to topic in their disagreement while when someone is critical and is disagreed with it often times comes after the poster calls out the original poster for being negative and often after stating he should refrain from posting. For example I have chided in good nature with Marillac for stating pre season that Amir was going to be "incredible" for us but I never even intimated that he was not entitled to his opinion. More tolerance for each others opinions all the way around and less vitriole between all posters would be nice because as you stated we all root for the same team (yes, even the so called negative posters. Not saying Baldi is or is not one but he has been accused as not rooting for St J's but I doubt he would spend as much time on this board if he didn't). Even the notorios Realfan roots for St. J's unless he is hoping to get the coach fired and the only time that happened was under Norm.
While this is true, the relentless negativity by the same handful of posters pollutes the community. Your last few posts are great examples of insightful counter arguments that truly add to the board. A perma-bear tone combined with a schizophrenic posting frequency is trolling and, in my opinion, need to be eradicated.
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Celts -- I have no issue with those who make objective, logical, sensible, rationale statements that criticize Coach Lavin, the staff, and the players. I've been critical of them myself.
But illogical, inciteful, irrational and blatantly contradictory statements that smack of one trying to stir the pot or fulfilling some misplaced agenda bring nothing to the table, and ultimately discourage many posters from returning to a message board. I do not frequent many boards, but was a longtime reader of redmen.com until recently. After some of the nonsense being spewed on that board, I've found that it is not worthwhile for me to spend time reading up on content about a team I love to follow and root for. St. John's is unlike the Yankees, Giants or Knicks, for which a significant amount of content is available in the mainstream media (local and national). Those of us who follow this team rely upon boards like this one, and we don't appreciate it when certain posters start launching agenda-filled critiques that even a blind man could see through.
Unfortunately, Celts, I disagree with you that everyone who comes to this site is actually a fan of the program. Even casual readers can see through the posters who are so contradicting or hypocritical in their statements that they clearly have some type of agenda. I don't know why one would waste their precious time posting nonsense on the message board of a team they don't follow, but their are a lot of odd people in this world.
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Perfect example, Celts: There are posters on here who would kill Lavin for not going after a kid like Jordan hard enough, or other top 50-100 recruits, and instead making a play for Severe. Yet if Lavin goes after Jordan, and loses Severe as a result, they'll Lavin for not going after Severe in the first place if he ends up being a good player. And it becomes annoying after a while to continue reading that type of stuff. That is a far cry from legit criticism, which frankly I find interesting and worthwhile to read.
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Many posters feel Lavin should have gone after Severe as well as Jorden, in the event Jorden doesnt sign w us, especilly if DLO is not a sure thing for next year.
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We get Severe, he struggles for a few games as a freshman shooting the ball, and then certain clowns on hear complain about how we settle for mid-level recruits instead of going for top players.
It is clear we are not interested in this kid. That may be a mistake on the staff's part, but only time will tell. Lots of people seem to have mixed feelings on him. Only certain high majors have become interested recently, so it isn't like we are the only ones. It may be that a few years down the line though this is one of those city kids we wished we had, especially with our shooting woes. But if we land Jordan it becomes a moot point, no?
Yeah cause only clowns complain about a program that has been in the crapper for the past decade save for one season. For all the posters who complain about negative posters let me say just one thing-for the past 10 years every off season and pre season many laud how good of a team we have and what a good season we are going to have and you have been right exactly one time in the last 10 years. By my calculations the so called negative posters have been right to be critical 90 freakin percent of the time and lead the overly optimistic posters 9-1 over the past decade. Hard to argue with the results,
record or the math. That is why so called negative posters don't get under my skin like it seems to do to the keepers of the flame.
Nail on head. I'm a numbers guy and hard to believe when we just don't put them up. Look at our FG%, 3PT%, PPG, NCAA appearances, etc. over the past decade. You can't call it negative when it's true.
Celtics was very fair in his point. Essentially (and tell me if I'm wrong) he is saying that there shouldn't be 1 right view and 1 wrong view on here. As long as you can give reasons, have at it. This board is EXTREMELY intolerant. You should see some of the PM's I receive and ignore because they contain threats. We all root for the same team but there is a "defend the honor and be insanely optimistic at all costs" crowd and a "realist/grounded" crowd. If you notice, I'm never personally attacking people on here. The only side personally attacking are the ones who are overly optimistic. The one's who make personal attacks, and demand that you not post, and fill your PM box with threats. Maybe that's just me.
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Joe, please post the threatening pms. Thanks.
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Many posters feel Lavin should have gone after Severe as well as Jorden, in the event Jorden doesnt sign w us, especilly if DLO is not a sure thing for next year.
If Lavin is going to take this program to the next level, he needs to go after the best players. And he is. Not going after Severe probably means that he expects Harrison to return. If he didn't yes, he'd have to replace him.
But for now, if a guy like Marco is staying put, there isn't room for Severe, regardless of whether or not Marco is making a wise choice by staying with the program to wave a towel.
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Agree with Poison. And anyone who reads this board regularly knows that he could never be plausibly characterized as a Lavin-apologist or a "kool aid" drinker.
I know there isn't one "right" or "wrong" answer with respect to many of these issues, and that most of what is posted is subjective in nature. That's not what I'm referring to. What I'm speaking to, and what ultimately ruins these boards for real fans, are posters who have an agenda to speak nonsense at all times.
Back to Severe, he may very well turn out to be a good player. I have no issue with anyone who expresses an opinion of that nature, or who believes that we should have addressed our roster balance differently so as to leave room for being able to bring in multiple freshman next year. We clearly aren't interested, and I hope that doesn't come back to bite us.
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Would just like to make one more point. Fans may want a certain recruit or draft choice at the pro level and say they get the player and he turns out to be a disappointment. Many will maintain that that person has no right to complain but i maintain that he does because we are fans and not the professionals getting paid millions of dollars to make these evaluations. I have no opinion on Severe-never have seen him play but i can understand those wanting a back-up plan to Jordan. Maybe coach has evaluated him and doesn't think he measures up and that is fine to. It is just that the pro better be right more times than not-just ask former Jet GM Mike Tannenbaum-fans no so affected by being wrong. Anyway, hope we're getting R Jordan and the Severe controversey is a moot point. Now if jordan proves to be a disappointment... :)
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I heard Severe suffered a major knee injury over the weekend.
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Wasn't he brought out in ambulance?
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I really hope that isn't true for the kid, particularly since he has not yet signed anywhere.
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Hopefully the teams recruiting him tell him that they still want him and he can redshirt.
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Hopefully the teams recruiting him tell him that they still want him and he can redshirt.
He's ok. Playing this weekend in the regional Jordan game
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Hopefully the teams recruiting him tell him that they still want him and he can redshirt.
He's ok. Playing this weekend in the regional Jordan game
Pecora should have immediately sent a text saying that he loves him and still wants him even with a major injury -- even if he knew it was just a rumor and that Severe did not suffer one.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe is now down to Fordham, West Virginia, Pitt and Wake Forest, he says.”
Sensing Fordham
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe is now down to Fordham, West Virginia, Pitt and Wake Forest, he says.”
I'm guessing Pitt
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Had an in home visit today, not sure with who though.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King's Jon Severe is now down to Fordham, West Virginia, Pitt and Wake Forest, he says.”
Sensing Fordham
Been hearing Pitt and Fordham.
Pecora going all out for him. Would be a signature recruit for him.
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If Pecora got him that sounds like the mother of all steals for him.
Pitt does such a great job with their players. Pecora does a great job with guards and sounds like he could be a big impact at that level right away
Agudio,Jenkins etc
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He's one that should skip Fordham and go to a Big East school. He could play at Xavier who is rebuilding, DePaul etc and get good minutes in a better conference. Fordham is a black hole for showcasing talent.
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He's one that should skip Fordham and go to a Big East school. He could play at Xavier who is rebuilding, DePaul etc and get good minutes in a better conference. Fordham is a black hole for showcasing talent.
When has it ever been a mistake for a basketball player to go to Fordham?
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He's one that should skip Fordham and go to a Big East school. He could play at Xavier who is rebuilding, DePaul etc and get good minutes in a better conference. Fordham is a black hole for showcasing talent.
When has it ever been a mistake for a basketball player to go to Fordham?
Is that a rhetorical question?
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“@NYDNHighSchool: Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello says Rutgers is back on Severe's list with hiring of Eddie Jordan...
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/rutgers-severe-commitment-article-1.1320469 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/rutgers-severe-commitment-article-1.1320469)”
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“@NYDNHighSchool: Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello says Rutgers is back on Severe's list with hiring of Eddie Jordan...
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/rutgers-severe-commitment-article-1.1320469 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/rutgers-severe-commitment-article-1.1320469)”
Well they are back on his list because half the team wants out.
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“@NYDNHighSchool: Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello says Rutgers is back on Severe's list with hiring of Eddie Jordan...
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/rutgers-severe-commitment-article-1.1320469 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/rutgers-severe-commitment-article-1.1320469)”
Well they are back on his list because half the team wants out.
Not considering RU according to Zach B. of Post. Pick a school kid!
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
I don't think Pecora lasts past this year unless something drastically changes.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
I don't think Pecora lasts past this year unless something drastically changes.
Pat Forde agrees with you;
Fordham: Current coach: Tom Pecora. The problem: He's lost 64 games in three years. Rick Pitino might not be able to win at Fordham, where the Rams have endured six straight losing seasons. But if there is any urgency to climb up from the nether reaches of the A-10, Pecora probably needs to show some improvement next year.
“@YahooForde: New column: grading the college hoops coaching hires -- and looking at which schools are on the clock next season: http://yhoo.it/11n7Scz (http://yhoo.it/11n7Scz)”
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
I don't think Pecora lasts past this year unless something drastically changes.
The key word is improvement, that is subjective. This year he needs to turn the corner a bit.
But trust me barring a complete disaster 5-25 type he won't be fired.
But he needs to start making strides say 7-11 in A-10 with some key recruits.
Forde just made my case nobody would have Fordham much better off now.
Remember SJU gave Norm 6 years at more money and with a more impatient fan base.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
I don't think Pecora lasts past this year unless something drastically changes.
The key word is improvement, that is subjective. This year he needs to turn the corner a bit.
But trust me barring a complete disaster 5-25 type he won't be fired.
But he needs to start making strides say 7-11 in A-10 with some key recruits.
Forde just made my case nobody would have Fordham much better off now.
Remember SJU gave Norm 6 years at more money and with a more impatient fan base.
I thought Pecora was more than 600k which at worst the same if not more than Norm was getting.
If he puts up another 10 win season with a new regime above him you think he's safe?
Easy answer is to say there has to be someone to do a better job than him. Again the job baffles me. I'm not expecting world beaters but they have to be better than they are.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
I don't think Pecora lasts past this year unless something drastically changes.
The key word is improvement, that is subjective. This year he needs to turn the corner a bit.
But trust me barring a complete disaster 5-25 type he won't be fired.
But he needs to start making strides say 7-11 in A-10 with some key recruits.
Forde just made my case nobody would have Fordham much better off now.
Remember SJU gave Norm 6 years at more money and with a more impatient fan base.
I thought Pecora was more than 600k which at worst the same if not more than Norm was getting.
If he puts up another 10 win season with a new regime above him you think he's safe?
Easy answer is to say there has to be someone to do a better job than him. Again the job baffles me. I'm not expecting world beaters but they have to be better than they are.
Maybe it's the institution? They have a culture of losing.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
I don't think Pecora lasts past this year unless something drastically changes.
The key word is improvement, that is subjective. This year he needs to turn the corner a bit.
But trust me barring a complete disaster 5-25 type he won't be fired.
But he needs to start making strides say 7-11 in A-10 with some key recruits.
Forde just made my case nobody would have Fordham much better off now.
Remember SJU gave Norm 6 years at more money and with a more impatient fan base.
I thought Pecora was more than 600k which at worst the same if not more than Norm was getting.
If he puts up another 10 win season with a new regime above him you think he's safe?
Easy answer is to say there has to be someone to do a better job than him. Again the job baffles me. I'm not expecting world beaters but they have to be better than they are.
Maybe it's the institution? They have a culture of losing.
What do you have more disdain for? Fordham or the city of Cincinnati?
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Fordham should be getting a lot of these local transfers that Iona has scooped up. I understand that the academics are probably an issue, but the conference was/is superior, and Pecora had some success at Hofstra.
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Fordham should be getting a lot of these local transfers that Iona has scooped up. I understand that the academics are probably an issue, but the conference was/is superior, and Pecora had some success at Hofstra.
They should also be grabbing the locals who want to stick around that we aren't looking at anymore since were national or the 2nd level NY'ers.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
I don't think Pecora lasts past this year unless something drastically changes.
The key word is improvement, that is subjective. This year he needs to turn the corner a bit.
But trust me barring a complete disaster 5-25 type he won't be fired.
But he needs to start making strides say 7-11 in A-10 with some key recruits.
Forde just made my case nobody would have Fordham much better off now.
Remember SJU gave Norm 6 years at more money and with a more impatient fan base.
I thought Pecora was more than 600k which at worst the same if not more than Norm was getting.
If he puts up another 10 win season with a new regime above him you think he's safe?
Easy answer is to say there has to be someone to do a better job than him. Again the job baffles me. I'm not expecting world beaters but they have to be better than they are.
Norm made close to a $1 mil.
And barring a disaster yes he comes back. It is always easy to say someone. But even Forde admits half jokingly a future Hall of Famer probably wouldn't have Fordham much better now let alone someone they can afford.
Bottom line is he inherited a difficult job on top of coming off back to back horrible seasons. Again I would never say under no circumstance but he is going to get a lot of leeway. As he should.
He is starting to make footprints among the second tier recruits in the city that he needs to win.
Remember this about Pecora and Hofstra. Most people think because of Jay's success that Tom inherited a great situation. He actually inherited a bit of a mess that got worse. I think his first 3 years were plain bad including an 8-21 second season. Of course he had to deal with the step up in conference to CAA.
What followed was a slow build towards 3 straight 20 win seasons and 3 NIT bids and a near at large NCAA in 2006 when he was offered the SHU job.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
I don't think Pecora lasts past this year unless something drastically changes.
The key word is improvement, that is subjective. This year he needs to turn the corner a bit.
But trust me barring a complete disaster 5-25 type he won't be fired.
But he needs to start making strides say 7-11 in A-10 with some key recruits.
Forde just made my case nobody would have Fordham much better off now.
Remember SJU gave Norm 6 years at more money and with a more impatient fan base.
I thought Pecora was more than 600k which at worst the same if not more than Norm was getting.
If he puts up another 10 win season with a new regime above him you think he's safe?
Easy answer is to say there has to be someone to do a better job than him. Again the job baffles me. I'm not expecting world beaters but they have to be better than they are.
Norm made close to a $1 mil.
And barring a disaster yes he comes back. It is always easy to say someone. But even Forde admits half jokingly a future Hall of Famer probably wouldn't have Fordham much better now let alone someone they can afford.
Bottom line is he inherited a difficult job on top of coming off back to back horrible seasons. Again I would never say under no circumstance but he is going to get a lot of leeway. As he should.
He is starting to make footprints among the second tier recruits in the city that he needs to win.
Remember this about Pecora and Hofstra. Most people think because of Jay's success that Tom inherited a great situation. He actually inherited a bit of a mess that got worse. I think his first 3 years were plain bad including an 8-21 second season. Of course he had to deal with the step up in conference to CAA.
What followed was a slow build towards 3 straight 20 win seasons and 3 NIT bids and a near at large NCAA in 2006 when he was offered the SHU job.
I don't know where you got that Norm figure from. I saw a recent # during some of the Chang stuff where salaries were published of 800k but that was balance on his buyout was my understanding.
I was never a fan of Pecora at Hofstra. The timing for Fordham is now with all the shuffling going on in the A-10. Get the right guy there. I still don't think its him.
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Why did I think Norm made like $450?
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
I don't think Pecora lasts past this year unless something drastically changes.
The key word is improvement, that is subjective. This year he needs to turn the corner a bit.
But trust me barring a complete disaster 5-25 type he won't be fired.
But he needs to start making strides say 7-11 in A-10 with some key recruits.
Forde just made my case nobody would have Fordham much better off now.
Remember SJU gave Norm 6 years at more money and with a more impatient fan base.
I thought Pecora was more than 600k which at worst the same if not more than Norm was getting.
If he puts up another 10 win season with a new regime above him you think he's safe?
Easy answer is to say there has to be someone to do a better job than him. Again the job baffles me. I'm not expecting world beaters but they have to be better than they are.
Norm made close to a $1 mil.
And barring a disaster yes he comes back. It is always easy to say someone. But even Forde admits half jokingly a future Hall of Famer probably wouldn't have Fordham much better now let alone someone they can afford.
Bottom line is he inherited a difficult job on top of coming off back to back horrible seasons. Again I would never say under no circumstance but he is going to get a lot of leeway. As he should.
He is starting to make footprints among the second tier recruits in the city that he needs to win.
Remember this about Pecora and Hofstra. Most people think because of Jay's success that Tom inherited a great situation. He actually inherited a bit of a mess that got worse. I think his first 3 years were plain bad including an 8-21 second season. Of course he had to deal with the step up in conference to CAA.
What followed was a slow build towards 3 straight 20 win seasons and 3 NIT bids and a near at large NCAA in 2006 when he was offered the SHU job.
I don't know where you got that Norm figure from. I saw a recent # during some of the Chang stuff where salaries were published of 800k but that was balance on his buyout was my understanding.
I was never a fan of Pecora at Hofstra. The timing for Fordham is now with all the shuffling going on in the A-10. Get the right guy there. I still don't think its him.
Norm's was pretty high.
But my point about Pecora is not to suggest he is definitely the right man or the wrong man. Just like being fair to Norm after 3 years I would never say definitively he was the right man or the wrong man.
But at this point with what he inherited there is no way you can give him less then 5 years, no way. Same way with Norm. He needs a lot of time to make a fair judgement.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
I don't think Pecora lasts past this year unless something drastically changes.
The key word is improvement, that is subjective. This year he needs to turn the corner a bit.
But trust me barring a complete disaster 5-25 type he won't be fired.
But he needs to start making strides say 7-11 in A-10 with some key recruits.
Forde just made my case nobody would have Fordham much better off now.
Remember SJU gave Norm 6 years at more money and with a more impatient fan base.
I thought Pecora was more than 600k which at worst the same if not more than Norm was getting.
If he puts up another 10 win season with a new regime above him you think he's safe?
Easy answer is to say there has to be someone to do a better job than him. Again the job baffles me. I'm not expecting world beaters but they have to be better than they are.
Their whole basketball organization needs a re-do. I don't mean the coach but how about a new court. I know Rose Hill is iconic to them but how about a new 5 - 6000 seat arena. If Hofstra and Stoney Brook can do it, why not Fordham
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
I don't think Pecora lasts past this year unless something drastically changes.
The key word is improvement, that is subjective. This year he needs to turn the corner a bit.
But trust me barring a complete disaster 5-25 type he won't be fired.
But he needs to start making strides say 7-11 in A-10 with some key recruits.
Forde just made my case nobody would have Fordham much better off now.
Remember SJU gave Norm 6 years at more money and with a more impatient fan base.
I thought Pecora was more than 600k which at worst the same if not more than Norm was getting.
If he puts up another 10 win season with a new regime above him you think he's safe?
Easy answer is to say there has to be someone to do a better job than him. Again the job baffles me. I'm not expecting world beaters but they have to be better than they are.
Your right Moose. They got to be looking for more the 6 A10 wins out of tommy coached team and have not been close yet. Tom should get JS. with his record with guards. if he don't come up with JS and is a minus 500 this year, even he would expect he's done there, That might make next time that of assistant if he want to keep working. Seem trend today is go with the young guy.
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Wake, Pitt and WV are all fine choices. Wake may be rebuilding, but he can beca part of that. Pitt is already a good program, and I expect WV to bounce back. Kid has high major options.
To even consider Fordham is insanity.
Agree. Not to mention that CYO gym.
Their gym has a better atmosphere than ours.
I grew up in that gym in a sense and do enjoy watching a game there, but it is time to develop an alternative. Regarding CA, it's clear we missed the boat with that chintzy upgrade. At least MSG is attractive to recruits. Rose Hill is not and limited capacity can't help monetarily.
Correct Rose Hill isn't the reason a kid picks Fordham. But if they want to play a notch below the big conferences kids should go there. Me thinks maybe academics comes into play there sometimes unfortunately.
Mediocre leadership at AD level especially hindered program. Joining Patriot League years ago hurt program and destroyed local rivalries. Adding football made no sense as well. All these arid years have minimized attraction of Fordham Basketball IMO. The A10 is too tough for them and frankly they are better suited for MAAC level play. As a grad school alum, it pains me to say that. That said, it is only fair to see what TP can accomplish over next few years before making final conclusion. Your point about academics is fair, but one factor IMO.
I don't think Pecora lasts past this year unless something drastically changes.
The key word is improvement, that is subjective. This year he needs to turn the corner a bit.
But trust me barring a complete disaster 5-25 type he won't be fired.
But he needs to start making strides say 7-11 in A-10 with some key recruits.
Forde just made my case nobody would have Fordham much better off now.
Remember SJU gave Norm 6 years at more money and with a more impatient fan base.
I thought Pecora was more than 600k which at worst the same if not more than Norm was getting.
If he puts up another 10 win season with a new regime above him you think he's safe?
Easy answer is to say there has to be someone to do a better job than him. Again the job baffles me. I'm not expecting world beaters but they have to be better than they are.
Maybe it's the institution? They have a culture of losing.
What do you have more disdain for? Fordham or the city of Cincinnati?
I don't hate Fordham. I pity them like you would a person with a mental handicap. They are NY, so I support them, but I'm pretty relieved that I have no othe affiliation that University. I meant what I said, and I think it's spot on. There is a culture of losing there that needs to change before anything will change on the court.
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Fordham should be getting a lot of these local transfers that Iona has scooped up. I understand that the academics are probably an issue, but the conference was/is superior, and Pecora had some success at Hofstra.
Pecora has always been overrated...never won anything at Hofstra...not ever going to put a dent in A10
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Fordham should be getting a lot of these local transfers that Iona has scooped up. I understand that the academics are probably an issue, but the conference was/is superior, and Pecora had some success at Hofstra.
Pecora has always been overrated...never won anything at Hofstra...not ever going to put a dent in A10
I don't think that's fair or accurate. He had very good seasons at Hofstra.
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Fordham should be getting a lot of these local transfers that Iona has scooped up. I understand that the academics are probably an issue, but the conference was/is superior, and Pecora had some success at Hofstra.
Pecora has always been overrated...never won anything at Hofstra...not ever going to put a dent in A10
I don't think that's fair or accurate. He had very good seasons at Hofstra.
9 seasons with 154 wins - 125 losses in a weak league... a couple of good seasons...in a league like that should have produced a lot more than that. . .just my opinion. . .admittedly I am a bit negative on him because I think local press seem to make him out to be something special and I don't think that is remotely the case
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Fordham should be getting a lot of these local transfers that Iona has scooped up. I understand that the academics are probably an issue, but the conference was/is superior, and Pecora had some success at Hofstra.
Pecora has always been overrated...never won anything at Hofstra...not ever going to put a dent in A10
I don't think that's fair or accurate. He had very good seasons at Hofstra.
9 seasons with 154 wins - 125 losses in a weak league... a couple of good seasons...in a league like that should have produced a lot more than that. . .just my opinion. . .admittedly I am a bit negative on him because I think local press seem to make him out to be something special and I don't think that is remotely the case
What's his record versus St John's?
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Fordham should be getting a lot of these local transfers that Iona has scooped up. I understand that the academics are probably an issue, but the conference was/is superior, and Pecora had some success at Hofstra.
Pecora has always been overrated...never won anything at Hofstra...not ever going to put a dent in A10
I don't think that's fair or accurate. He had very good seasons at Hofstra.
9 seasons with 154 wins - 125 losses in a weak league... a couple of good seasons...in a league like that should have produced a lot more than that. . .just my opinion. . .admittedly I am a bit negative on him because I think local press seem to make him out to be something special and I don't think that is remotely the case
What's his record versus St John's?
Too bad that doesn't pay the bills
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We make Pecora look like Bobby Knight when we have played them.
I said a prayer each day that he didn't get the job when Norm got fired. Hopefully he lands Severe. I'd like to see fordham get competitive
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Fordham should be getting a lot of these local transfers that Iona has scooped up. I understand that the academics are probably an issue, but the conference was/is superior, and Pecora had some success at Hofstra.
Pecora has always been overrated...never won anything at Hofstra...not ever going to put a dent in A10
I don't think that's fair or accurate. He had very good seasons at Hofstra.
9 seasons with 154 wins - 125 losses in a weak league... a couple of good seasons...in a league like that should have produced a lot more than that. . .just my opinion. . .admittedly I am a bit negative on him because I think local press seem to make him out to be something special and I don't think that is remotely the case
What's his record versus St John's?
Too bad that doesn't pay the bills
No - but it ruined more than a few of our nights.
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Fordham should be getting a lot of these local transfers that Iona has scooped up. I understand that the academics are probably an issue, but the conference was/is superior, and Pecora had some success at Hofstra.
Pecora has always been overrated...never won anything at Hofstra...not ever going to put a dent in A10
I don't think that's fair or accurate. He had very good seasons at Hofstra.
9 seasons with 154 wins - 125 losses in a weak league... a couple of good seasons...in a league like that should have produced a lot more than that. . .just my opinion. . .admittedly I am a bit negative on him because I think local press seem to make him out to be something special and I don't think that is remotely the case
What's his record versus St John's?
Too bad that doesn't pay the bills
No - but it ruined more than a few of our nights.
All it proved was he was a better coach than Norm possibly. The Lavin loss I could care less about as it definitely impacted the rest of the season and we danced regardless.
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If I were Severe I would strongly consider Rutgers and team up with Mack. New regime and a perfect spot to chuck 20 shots a game from jump street.
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“@AdamZagoria: Jon Severe will announce April 24, per Joe Arbitello”
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Feeling like it will be Fordham;
“@NYPost_Brazille: CK's Joe Arbitello on Severe: "Fordham has recruited him the hardest. Their head coach has made himself more visible than anyone else"”
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Feeling like it will be Fordham;
“@NYPost_Brazille: CK's Joe Arbitello on Severe: "Fordham has recruited him the hardest. Their head coach has made himself more visible than anyone else"”
Heard last week that Fordham likes its chances
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Coming to finish line. Dixon is a hard working guy for sure.
“@NYPost_Brazille: Pittsburgh head coach Jamie Dixon at Christ the King today for Jon Severe I'm told.”
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I think Severe is the most talked about player who we never really recruited. Pretty funny actually.
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I think Severe is the most talked about player who we never really recruited. Pretty funny actually.
It's interesting because he is being recruited by some strong programs. From the video I've seen, he does a lot of things that we don't do well. I have a hard time believing that he couldn't help us.
That said, we need Jordan more, and unless someone leaves, there is no room for him.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Rutgers may be back in play for Christ the King's Jon Severe. Eddie Jordan coming to Brooklyn for an In-home visit tonight #rhoops”
Tom Pecora must be anxious to close this out.
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@NYPost_Brazille 3m
From story I just posted: Hearing from sources it's Rutgers or Fordham for Jon Severe. But he said all five schools still an option
How the heck did Rutgers go from being completely out of it to in the final 2 in the days leading up to his decision
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Rutgers might not be a terrible option. He'll get a starting job in the Big10, and be able to play close to home.
Fordham can offer him playing time, and Pitt offers a major conference. But neither have both.
Pitt also has the added benefit of the chance to win. Rutgers (and probably Fordham) aren't going to contend for a couple of years.
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The next Quincy Douby.
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The next Quincy Douby.
Quincy Douby was Top 50 recruit.
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The next Quincy Douby.
Quincy Douby was Top 50 recruit.
I see that, but remember he was a late bloomer, too.
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I wish Severe was from anywhere but NY.
Because nobody would give a rats ass about him here.
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I wish Severe was from anywhere but NY.
Because nobody would give a rats ass about him here.
Whether we care or not will come down to how we perform as a team, and how he performs as a player.
It's one thing when a local guy leaves, but when we choose not recruit him, it's another.
I think we made the clear and completely obvious choice going hard after Jordan. That doesn't mean we couldn't have used Severe too.
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Quincy was not a top 50 recruit in 2002 He ranked 25th at the SG spot.
25 Quincy Douby
(William E. Grady HS)
Brooklyn, NY 6-3/180/17.0 Scout
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Quincy was not a top 50 recruit in 2002 He ranked 25th at the SG spot.
25 Quincy Douby
(William E. Grady HS)
Brooklyn, NY 6-3/180/17.0 Scout
6th best SG
52 overall
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Quincy-Douby-339 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Quincy-Douby-339)
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Quincy was not a top 50 recruit in 2002 He ranked 25th at the SG spot.
25 Quincy Douby
(William E. Grady HS)
Brooklyn, NY 6-3/180/17.0 Scout
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Quincy-Douby-339 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Quincy-Douby-339)
52nd overall player ranked by Rivals. Can't seem to find a Scout link. Can you link me to that?
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Apparently it's ignore-the-facts day on the Jungle... 8)
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Apparently it's ignore-the-facts day on the Jungle... 8)
Isn't everyday? :)
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Apparently it's ignore-the-facts day on the Jungle... 8)
Isn't everyday? :)
Apparently it's ignore-the-facts day on the Jungle... 8)
Sort of like working at the Kremlin. Facts don't matter. The "Party" comes first.
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Douby didn't make the RSCI top 100 so you're both right.
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Hoping it's Fordham. For one thing, Rutgers should rot forever at or near the bottom of the Big 10; for another, don't want Eddie Jordan getting a foothold recruiting NYC players.
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Confident it is Fordham.
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Hoping it's Fordham. For one thing, Rutgers should rot forever at or near the bottom of the Big 10; for another, don't want Eddie Jordan getting a foothold recruiting NYC players.
I think it's pretty mean spirited to hope this kid goes to Fordham. He didn't hurt anyone. He doesn't deserve that. In all seriousness, why on earth would he go there?
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Hoping it's Fordham. For one thing, Rutgers should rot forever at or near the bottom of the Big 10; for another, don't want Eddie Jordan getting a foothold recruiting NYC players.
I think it's pretty mean spirited to hope this kid goes to Fordham. He didn't hurt anyone. He doesn't deserve that. In all seriousness, why on earth would he go there?
He was raised by Jesuits.
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Hoping it's Fordham. For one thing, Rutgers should rot forever at or near the bottom of the Big 10; for another, don't want Eddie Jordan getting a foothold recruiting NYC players.
I think it's pretty mean spirited to hope this kid goes to Fordham. He didn't hurt anyone. He doesn't deserve that. In all seriousness, why on earth would he go there?
He was raised by Jesuits.
That doesn't mean he should be forced to suffer with them.
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Hoping it's Fordham. For one thing, Rutgers should rot forever at or near the bottom of the Big 10; for another, don't want Eddie Jordan getting a foothold recruiting NYC players.
I think it's pretty mean spirited to hope this kid goes to Fordham. He didn't hurt anyone. He doesn't deserve that. In all seriousness, why on earth would he go there?
He was raised by Jesuits.
That doesn't mean he should be forced to suffer with them.
Ha!
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Hoping it's Fordham. For one thing, Rutgers should rot forever at or near the bottom of the Big 10; for another, don't want Eddie Jordan getting a foothold recruiting NYC players.
I think it's pretty mean spirited to hope this kid goes to Fordham. He didn't hurt anyone. He doesn't deserve that. In all seriousness, why on earth would he go there?
I don't get it
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Hoping it's Fordham. For one thing, Rutgers should rot forever at or near the bottom of the Big 10; for another, don't want Eddie Jordan getting a foothold recruiting NYC players.
I think it's pretty mean spirited to hope this kid goes to Fordham. He didn't hurt anyone. He doesn't deserve that. In all seriousness, why on earth would he go there?
I don't get it
Poison has a disdain for Fordham. And the city of Cincy. And Omaha. And Indianapolis. And pretty much anywhere not NYC ;)
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Hoping it's Fordham. For one thing, Rutgers should rot forever at or near the bottom of the Big 10; for another, don't want Eddie Jordan getting a foothold recruiting NYC players.
I think it's pretty mean spirited to hope this kid goes to Fordham. He didn't hurt anyone. He doesn't deserve that. In all seriousness, why on earth would he go there?
I don't get it
Poison has a disdain for Fordham. And the city of Cincy. And Omaha. And Indianapolis. And pretty much anywhere not NYC ;)
Not true. I root for every NY team. I just think that Fordham is a trash bag, and that you'd have to be pretty stupid to go there for basketball if you have other options. And in this case, very good options. Am I wrong? If so, tell me how playing for a team with no talent is a better choice than Pitt or WV?
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Hoping it's Fordham. For one thing, Rutgers should rot forever at or near the bottom of the Big 10; for another, don't want Eddie Jordan getting a foothold recruiting NYC players.
I think it's pretty mean spirited to hope this kid goes to Fordham. He didn't hurt anyone. He doesn't deserve that. In all seriousness, why on earth would he go there?
I don't get it
Poison has a disdain for Fordham. And the city of Cincy. And Omaha. And Indianapolis. And pretty much anywhere not NYC ;)
Not true. I root for every NY team. I just think that Fordham is a trash bag, and that you'd have to be pretty stupid to go there for basketball if you have other options. And in this case, very good options. Am I wrong? If so, tell me how playing for a team with no talent is a better choice than Pitt or WV?
You don't talk like you have much support for Fordham.
You know the game to know how quickly he would get recruited over at those schools. How did it work out for higher ranked Hines at WVU
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Hoping it's Fordham. For one thing, Rutgers should rot forever at or near the bottom of the Big 10; for another, don't want Eddie Jordan getting a foothold recruiting NYC players.
I think it's pretty mean spirited to hope this kid goes to Fordham. He didn't hurt anyone. He doesn't deserve that. In all seriousness, why on earth would he go there?
I don't get it
Poison has a disdain for Fordham. And the city of Cincy. And Omaha. And Indianapolis. And pretty much anywhere not NYC ;)
Not true. I root for every NY team. I just think that Fordham is a trash bag, and that you'd have to be pretty stupid to go there for basketball if you have other options. And in this case, very good options. Am I wrong? If so, tell me how playing for a team with no talent is a better choice than Pitt or WV?
You don't talk like you have much support for Fordham.
You know the game to know how quickly he would get recruited over at those schools. How did it work out for higher ranked Hines at WVU
Support and respect are different. I support them, and I'd like to see them to do better, but Pecora needed to be fired. They didn't fire him. So, it will take even longer.
As far as Severe, we don't know that he can't play in the ACC or in the Big 12. I don't know who Hines is. Do you mean Hinds? Kid from Mount Vernon?
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Agree;
“@NYPost_Brazille: As promised, it's prediction time. Really think it's a toss-up, but I think Jon Severe picks Fordham over Rutgers.”
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I'd pick Rutgers. Big 10, playing time...
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http://msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/live-jon-severe-college-commitment-1.1456442 (http://msgvarsity.com/brooklyn-bronx/live-jon-severe-college-commitment-1.1456442)
Going on now.
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Decided on Fordham. Done.
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That was a bit embarrassing but good pickup for Pecora.
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Hahaha spurns Rutgers for Fordham! Personally I love it. Good for him. Rutgers back to square one. Maybe square zero...
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That was a bit embarrassing but good pickup for Pecora.
What was embarrassing about it for those who didn't see it.
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He was very nervous. Not to be unexpected. Kept looking like he was trying to hide under the table while vigorously scratching the top of his head. I wasn't expecting him to be a trained public speaker or anything but I just found it hard to watch. He and his family looked very happy with their decision. Good luck to him. He'll play right away and certainly won't have any lack of transfer options if his skills translate better than expected to Div 1 hoops.
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That was a bit embarrassing but good pickup for Pecora.
What was embarrassing about it for those who didn't see it.
I don't know if it was embarrassing but he was clearly breaking down and crying at various points having trouble finishing his thoughts before he finally decided on Fordham.
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Nice job by Pecora. Best recruit Fordham has landed in a long time.
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Good for Fordham. Hopefully, he helps them turn it around.
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Happy to hear it. It's good to see NYC kids staying home. (And now I don't have to read and listen to all the "Eddie Jordan's a genius" rantings from Rutgers fans that would have followed had Severe picked the Scarlet Knights.)
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Praise.... that this thread will be over.
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Praise.... that this thread will be over.
Will be combined with Iona thread and sent to Smithsonian.
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What happened to Grasso on this one? Not a transfer?
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What happened to Grasso on this one? Not a transfer?
Would be 3rd guard off bench
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What happened to Grasso on this one? Not a transfer?
Would be 3rd guard off bench
ha he'd be your best scorer when armand graduates. if iona got him you'd be gloating
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This is the type of recruit Fordham needs to get.
If this were the 80's, 90's, early 2000's NYC Catholic League days Jon would be sort of the second tier of recruits behind a Ron Artest, Erick Barkley, Kenny Anderson, Andre Barrett etc.
That is the kid Fordham needs to get to compete in the A-10. And Pecora has good footprints in NYC and he can get those kids.
He isn't getting the Whitehead's or the McCullough's obviously. He knows that.
But the high mid-major kid from NY who has a choice between trying to develop at a Major program like Pitt (or risk transferring in a few years) or go to a school/conference below that such as Fordham but with the chance to play and excel immediately is the type of kid Tom needs to convince on a consistent basis to Fordham to turn things around.
This is a good start.
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Last post of thread should be from this Manhattan grad who says: "FU FU."
Actually, Severe must have strength of conviction, and will need a strong stomach from losing quite a bit. He better help Pecora recuit NYC some more, because w/o it, they're still in trouble.
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This is the type of recruit Fordham needs to get.
If this were the 80's, 90's, early 2000's NYC Catholic League days Jon would be sort of the second tier of recruits behind a Ron Artest, Erick Barkley, Kenny Anderson, Andre Barrett etc.
That is the kid Fordham needs to get to compete in the A-10. And Pecora has good footprints in NYC and he can get those kids.
He isn't getting the Whitehead's or the McCullough's obviously. He knows that.
But the high mid-major kid from NY who has a choice between trying to develop at a Major program like Pitt (or risk transferring in a few years) or go to a school/conference below that such as Fordham but with the chance to play and excel immediately is the type of kid Tom needs to convince on a consistent basis to Fordham to turn things around.
This is a good start.
Agreed. Pecora has paid his dues. He deserves some success and hopefully a kid like Severe can be his Speedy.
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First game of the season: 28 points, 7/10 on three pointers.
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First game of the season: 28 points, 7/10 on three pointers.
What would we possibly do with a prolific 3 pt shooter?
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Instead of Rysheed?
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He will be great for Fordham. He'd be ok at another level up.
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Kid made correct choice, right level and better school academically.
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It amazes me how people never seem to factor the level of play into analyzing a player. Does anyone think MoMo Jones would have led the world in scoring if he had stayed at Arizona, or even ended up at SJU?
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Fordham plays SU in a few days. Let's see how Severe does then.
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It amazes me how people never seem to factor the level of play into analyzing a player. Does anyone think MoMo Jones would have led the world in scoring if he had stayed at Arizona, or even ended up at SJU?
No, I don´t think so.
But do you really see Greene, Bourgault, Branch (all backcourt players) shooting 7/10 on three pointers in one of our games?
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I saw Marco drain a bunch of 3's in like 12 minutes against G-town last year. I have no doubt that if you put Phil Greene in the MAAC, he would score 20 on many occasions. Branch tore up Depaul last year.
I'm not saying Severe isn't good. Majors miss on guys like him all the time who end up being really good players. And if he scores 25 against Cuse, Poison, it still won't demonstrate to me that this is a guy who is a must for our team or necessarily better than what we have. We've had guys drop points on Cuse (like Mase a few years back) who weren't good scorers.
My only point is that just because a guy puts up big numbers in a lower conference doesn't mean he would be anywhere near that caliber a player when going up against top flight competition and bigger/quicker athletes every game.
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Unless you are willing to say that Severe should have been recruited over Jordan, than this discussion is stupid..
We got Jordan... End of story.
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Severe would certainly not get the playing time here that he will get at Fordham. I'm sure he would rather be in the rotation/start there than be the 10th man here. Nonetheless, I agree with Boo3: We got Jordan...End of story.
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He also looked dreadful in their exhibition game a few days earlier.
Oh and Avery Patterson once hit 7 or 8 in a game too.
Like was pointed out if anyone wants Severe ask yourself if you want him in place of Jordan. Because that's the question. Nothing about Phil or Marco or anyone else.
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I bet a ten dollar beer that he scores 15 points plus against us. Any takers
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I bet a ten dollar beer that he scores 15 points plus against us. Any takers
Considering our deficiencies in defending the 3, one would have to be a fool to take that bet. It still doesn't make him a better recruit than the #3 pg in the class---a position we more desperately needed to fill.
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If Fordham played Wisconsin last night in SD they would have lost by 25+ and Bo Ryan would have emptied his bench with 5 minutes to play. And nobody would have cared what Jon did.
Jon is a perfect fit for Fordham.
You can play this game all day by simply perusing the roster of mid major schools all around our area and cherry pick a kid here or there who is playing well perhaps at a need position and claim, Why didn't we sign him?
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It's a stupid debate . Please stop. We have Jordan, thankfully. The woulda, coulda, shoulda crowd sounds nice personic on this one.
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Where are all the kadeem Jack posts?
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Like was pointed out if anyone wants Severe ask yourself if you want him in place of Jordan. Because that's the question. Nothing about Phil or Marco or anyone else.
OK. This will be my last post on this thread. I would not choose Severe over Jordan. But I would have chosen both.
Why? Because last season was evident that we needed shooters.
How? Very easy: not redshirting Achiuwa last season. I didn´t understand it. And, please, don´t tell me because the Sánchez situation because this season Sánchez, Sampson, Obepka and Achiuwa are playing together.
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Like was pointed out if anyone wants Severe ask yourself if you want him in place of Jordan. Because that's the question. Nothing about Phil or Marco or anyone else.
OK. This will be my last post on this thread. I would not choose Severe over Jordan. But I would have chosen both.
Why? Because last season was evident that we needed shooters.
How? Very easy: not redshirting Achiuwa last season. I didn´t understand it. And, please, don´t tell me because the Sánchez situation because this season Sánchez, Sampson, Obepka and Achiuwa are playing together.
Pretty sure you can go back and find posts where I questioned the move as well. If Sanchez played last year then we might have room for Severe. But guess what there are just as many people complaining we can't find a frontcourt guy. It's pretty interesting to see how all over our fan base is.
Some want NYC players only
Some want a frontcourt player
Some want higher IQ less highly rated players
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Like was pointed out if anyone wants Severe ask yourself if you want him in place of Jordan. Because that's the question. Nothing about Phil or Marco or anyone else.
OK. This will be my last post on this thread. I would not choose Severe over Jordan. But I would have chosen both.
Why? Because last season was evident that we needed shooters.
How? Very easy: not redshirting Achiuwa last season. I didn´t understand it. And, please, don´t tell me because the Sánchez situation because this season Sánchez, Sampson, Obepka and Achiuwa are playing together.
Pretty sure you can go back and find posts where I questioned the move as well. If Sanchez played last year then we might have room for Severe. But guess what there are just as many people complaining we can't find a frontcourt guy. It's pretty interesting to see how all over our fan base is.
Some want NYC players only
Some want a frontcourt player
Some want higher IQ less highly rated players
Like was pointed out if anyone wants Severe ask yourself if you want him in place of Jordan. Because that's the question. Nothing about Phil or Marco or anyone else.
OK. This will be my last post on this thread. I would not choose Severe over Jordan. But I would have chosen both.
Why? Because last season was evident that we needed shooters.
How? Very easy: not redshirting Achiuwa last season. I didn´t understand it. And, please, don´t tell me because the Sánchez situation because this season Sánchez, Sampson, Obepka and Achiuwa are playing together.
Jon Severe would be sitting the bench now at SJU. He would not have gotten 10 shots last night against Wisconsin. And if he did he wouldn't have made 7 and it would only be because it was garbage time.
You cannot translate a game performance against a nobody team in a home gym against a Big 10 power in the middle of nowhere.
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First game of the season: 28 points, 7/10 on three pointers.
What would we possibly do with a prolific 3 pt shooter?
We have one and he played 5 minutes in the first game...
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I never wanted him over Jordan. Would have taken him over gift, Marco, or max. Norm used to make players leave all the time
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One way to guarantee idiotic, unsubstantiated, incoherent, ridiculous opinions pawned off as if they are facts is have SJU lose a game.
Guaranteed.
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Jon severe isnt a prolific 3 point shooter
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19 points 4/10 from 3 vs Cuse.
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19 points 4/10 from 3 vs Cuse.
Well, he's better than Elijah Ingram.
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22 points at halftime vs manhattan
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22 points at halftime vs manhattan
Don't worry. We got two other threads with it mentioned already :)
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22 points at halftime vs manhattan
Don't worry. We got two other threads with it mentioned already :)
When it gets to 40 sell....
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This is the kind of kid that walks in and is averaging next to 20 ppg as a soph at a mid-major, and everyone wonders where he came from. More than half of the top 100 are kids that are there because of potential. This kid can score, but he'll be overlooked for some top 50 kid that can't dribble with his left han but is 6'6 and can dunk the ball between his legs on a fastbreak.
Would have been nice if someone on the staff shared these thoughts.
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This is the kind of kid that walks in and is averaging next to 20 ppg as a soph at a mid-major, and everyone wonders where he came from. More than half of the top 100 are kids that are there because of potential. This kid can score, but he'll be overlooked for some top 50 kid that can't dribble with his left han but is 6'6 and can dunk the ball between his legs on a fastbreak.
Would have been nice if someone on the staff shared these thoughts.
Modest much?
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Let's see how Fordham does this season. If he's really that good, he'll probably consider transferring out after realizing that will finish towards the bottom in the A10 even if they are improved. He could sit out a year, and replace Harrison.
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I'd hsve liked him here... Chris Fouch too... We have a hard time scoring. Anybody who thinks we cant use more scorers is crazy, regardless of league. We need shooters and scorers, period! We are missing PG's, SG's and SF's that can shoot. If we had em, Lavin's offense would never even have been questioned. I hope Lavin looks to add these types over next few years. We don't have them now. Congrats to Severe who is pplaying very well.
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I'd hsve liked him here... Chris Fouch too... We have a hard time scoring. Anybody who thinks we cant use more scorers is crazy, regardless of league. We need shooters and scorers, period! We are missing PG's, SG's and SF's that can shoot. If we had em, Lavin's offense would never even have been questioned. I hope Lavin looks to add these types over next few years. We don't have them now. Congrats to Severe who is pplaying very well.
Who hacked into MCNPA"s computer? :)
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I'd hsve liked him here... Chris Fouch too... We have a hard time scoring. Anybody who thinks we cant use more scorers is crazy, regardless of league. We need shooters and scorers, period! We are missing PG's, SG's and SF's that can shoot. If we had em, Lavin's offense would never even have been questioned. I hope Lavin looks to add these types over next few years. We don't have them now. Congrats to Severe who is pplaying very well.
Who hacked into MCNPA"s computer? :)
I always thought Severe would have been a good addition because we needed extra shooting/scoring. Not in lieu of Jordan of course, but would have been nice to have another shooter/scorer. This is nothing new from me.
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Its great to see a NYC kid doing well but lets not get out of control on the praise here...
The knock on the kid in high school was that he was a chucker and scored in bunches because he took such a large quantity of shots.. nothing has changed in college... multiple high levels kids looked him over and over and over - and passed on offering him a scholarship.
He is not doing anything different at Fordham... 38.8 minutes per game and in 5 games and is shooting 40% from the field....
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Its great to see a NYC kid doing well but lets not get out of control on the praise here...
The knock on the kid in high school was that he was a chucker and scored in bunches because he took such a large quantity of shots.. nothing has changed in college... multiple high levels kids looked him over and over and over - and passed on offering him a scholarship.
He is not doing anything different at Fordham... 38.8 minutes per game and in 5 games and is shooting 40% from the field....
You've just described Harrison. Nicely done.
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Was there this kind of uproar on this board when we didn't recruit Jimmer?
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Was there this kind of uproar on this board when we didn't recruit Jimmer?
I don't see the "uproar". Plain and simple, Severe made the right choice going to Fordham. He is getting more immediate playing time than here, gets to attend a better school and is and will be a big fish in a small pond. Why waste time on this? I hope he does well, but not against us.
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Was there this kind of uproar on this board when we didn't recruit Jimmer?
I don't see the "uproar". Plain and simple, Severe made the right choice going to Fordham. He is getting more immediate playing time than here, gets to attend a better school and is and will be a big fish in a small pond. Why waste time on this? I hope he does well, but not against us.
I just see posters saying we made a mistake not recruiting him. Maybe they are right, but all other high majors made the same mistake. I agree, he made the right choice. Maybe we could have used him, but not sure we could even guarantee him PT anyway. I hope he continues his great play. Glad to see him do well. And good job by Chilleb recognizing his talent.
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Was there this kind of uproar on this board when we didn't recruit Jimmer?
I don't see the "uproar". Plain and simple, Severe made the right choice going to Fordham. He is getting more immediate playing time than here, gets to attend a better school and is and will be a big fish in a small pond. Why waste time on this? I hope he does well, but not against us.
I just see posters saying we made a mistake not recruiting him. Maybe they are right, but all other high majors made the same mistake. I agree, he made the right choice. Maybe we could have used him, but not sure we could even guarantee him PT anyway. I hope he continues his great play. Glad to see him do well. And good job by Chilleb recognizing his talent.
Agree Chilleb did call his potential early. If folks are concerned about getting a super local player, look no further than Donovan Mitchell, currently in class of 15. Looks like the Queens resident is open to staying home & would benefit SJU greatly. He is developing in leaps and bounds. Time for Chiles & Lavin to work their tails off to get him.
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Was there this kind of uproar on this board when we didn't recruit Jimmer?
I don't see the "uproar". Plain and simple, Severe made the right choice going to Fordham. He is getting more immediate playing time than here, gets to attend a better school and is and will be a big fish in a small pond. Why waste time on this? I hope he does well, but not against us.
I just see posters saying we made a mistake not recruiting him. Maybe they are right, but all other high majors made the same mistake. I agree, he made the right choice. Maybe we could have used him, but not sure we could even guarantee him PT anyway. I hope he continues his great play. Glad to see him do well. And good job by Chilleb recognizing his talent.
We have two slow "shooters" coming off the bench for us. Combined in 5 games, they've made one 3 pointer. They drawn zero fouls. It's a pretty terrible start. If this continues, then yes, you'd have be delusional to think we couldn't used this kid.
As for those suggesting that he couldn't play at the BE level, Hooper and Bourgault haven't shown that they can play at a D1 level, so your point doesn't hold up at all.
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Was there this kind of uproar on this board when we didn't recruit Jimmer?
I don't see the "uproar". Plain and simple, Severe made the right choice going to Fordham. He is getting more immediate playing time than here, gets to attend a better school and is and will be a big fish in a small pond. Why waste time on this? I hope he does well, but not against us.
I just see posters saying we made a mistake not recruiting him. Maybe they are right, but all other high majors made the same mistake. I agree, he made the right choice. Maybe we could have used him, but not sure we could even guarantee him PT anyway. I hope he continues his great play. Glad to see him do well. And good job by Chilleb recognizing his talent.
We have two slow "shooters" coming off the bench for us. Combined in 5 games, they've made one 3 pointer. They drawn zero fouls. It's a pretty terrible start. If this continues, then yes, you'd have be delusional to think we couldn't used this kid.
As for those suggesting that he couldn't play at the BE level, Hooper and Bourgault haven't shown that they can play at a D1 level, so your point doesn't hold up at all.
He'd be on the bench on this team like the rest of our "shooters."
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Was there this kind of uproar on this board when we didn't recruit Jimmer?
I don't see the "uproar". Plain and simple, Severe made the right choice going to Fordham. He is getting more immediate playing time than here, gets to attend a better school and is and will be a big fish in a small pond. Why waste time on this? I hope he does well, but not against us.
I just see posters saying we made a mistake not recruiting him. Maybe they are right, but all other high majors made the same mistake. I agree, he made the right choice. Maybe we could have used him, but not sure we could even guarantee him PT anyway. I hope he continues his great play. Glad to see him do well. And good job by Chilleb recognizing his talent.
We have two slow "shooters" coming off the bench for us. Combined in 5 games, they've made one 3 pointer. They drawn zero fouls. It's a pretty terrible start. If this continues, then yes, you'd have be delusional to think we couldn't used this kid.
As for those suggesting that he couldn't play at the BE level, Hooper and Bourgault haven't shown that they can play at a D1 level, so your point doesn't hold up at all.
He'd be on the bench on this team like the rest of our "shooters."
So far, he's played better than any of our guards. Harrison included. And if he doesn't play defense, he'd be no different than just about every player we have. The only way this doesn't torn out to be an oversight is if Hooper turns out to be a good shooter.
And I mean a good shooter in actual games. Not just on Twitter.
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Was there this kind of uproar on this board when we didn't recruit Jimmer?
I don't see the "uproar". Plain and simple, Severe made the right choice going to Fordham. He is getting more immediate playing time than here, gets to attend a better school and is and will be a big fish in a small pond. Why waste time on this? I hope he does well, but not against us.
I just see posters saying we made a mistake not recruiting him. Maybe they are right, but all other high majors made the same mistake. I agree, he made the right choice. Maybe we could have used him, but not sure we could even guarantee him PT anyway. I hope he continues his great play. Glad to see him do well. And good job by Chilleb recognizing his talent.
We have two slow "shooters" coming off the bench for us. Combined in 5 games, they've made one 3 pointer. They drawn zero fouls. It's a pretty terrible start. If this continues, then yes, you'd have be delusional to think we couldn't used this kid.
As for those suggesting that he couldn't play at the BE level, Hooper and Bourgault haven't shown that they can play at a D1 level, so your point doesn't hold up at all.
He'd be on the bench on this team like the rest of our "shooters."
So far, he's played better than any of our guards. Harrison included. And if he doesn't play defense, he'd be no different than just about every player we have. The only way this doesn't torn out to be an oversight is if Hooper turns out to be a good shooter.
And I mean a good shooter in actual games. Not just on Twitter.
Is everyone sure he would have come here if really offered? Would he have not considered PT offered by Fordham over SJU opportunity?
I just think many of us are just frustrated by our poor shooting/showing so far & OD on the "what ifs". I too am concerned & have lived with SJU mediocrity more than most. That said, I am resolved to let this year play out & judge Lavin accordingly. Time to deliver!
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There have always been, and will always be, Jon Severe-type players who high majors will pass on in favor of higher upside guys. I'm beyond content with this year's roster - problem is execution and coaching, not a missing piece.
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Was there this kind of uproar on this board when we didn't recruit Jimmer?
I don't see the "uproar". Plain and simple, Severe made the right choice going to Fordham. He is getting more immediate playing time than here, gets to attend a better school and is and will be a big fish in a small pond. Why waste time on this? I hope he does well, but not against us.
I just see posters saying we made a mistake not recruiting him. Maybe they are right, but all other high majors made the same mistake. I agree, he made the right choice. Maybe we could have used him, but not sure we could even guarantee him PT anyway. I hope he continues his great play. Glad to see him do well. And good job by Chilleb recognizing his talent.
We have two slow "shooters" coming off the bench for us. Combined in 5 games, they've made one 3 pointer. They drawn zero fouls. It's a pretty terrible start. If this continues, then yes, you'd have be delusional to think we couldn't used this kid.
As for those suggesting that he couldn't play at the BE level, Hooper and Bourgault haven't shown that they can play at a D1 level, so your point doesn't hold up at all.
He'd be on the bench on this team like the rest of our "shooters."
So far, he's played better than any of our guards. Harrison included. And if he doesn't play defense, he'd be no different than just about every player we have. The only way this doesn't torn out to be an oversight is if Hooper turns out to be a good shooter.
And I mean a good shooter in actual games. Not just on Twitter.
Is everyone sure he would have come here if really offered? Would he have not considered PT offered by Fordham over SJU opportunity?
I just think many of us are just frustrated by our poor shooting/showing so far & OD on the "what ifs". I too am concerned & have lived with SJU mediocrity more than most. That said, I am resolved to let this year play out & judge Lavin accordingly. Time to deliver!
Didn't he choose Fordham over Rutgers and Pitt?
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There have always been, and will always be, Jon Severe-type players who high majors will pass on in favor of higher upside guys. I'm beyond content with this year's roster - problem is execution and coaching, not a missing piece.
I'm confused as to how you've determined that Severe is a "mid major" player? Don't get me wrong, I'm content w our roster as well. I think we 'll get better. I'm fine with some of our pieces sitting and watching. 12 guys weren't going to play every game.
That said, Lavin has made it a point to recruit "shooters" in Hooper and Bourgault etc. what level are they if Severe comes into college ball putting up 25 points per game against Syracuse and a tough Manhattan team, and he's a "mid major" player?
Severe has taken advantage of his opportunity. At this point, I think it's fair to ask how many games will coach let Hooper use to get comfortable? This is his 3rd year of college. Marco was up and down last year, and mostly down, but at least he had moments. He torched Uconn. Maybe it's time to change the record.
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There have always been, and will always be, Jon Severe-type players who high majors will pass on in favor of higher upside guys. I'm beyond content with this year's roster - problem is execution and coaching, not a missing piece.
I'm confused as to how you've determined that Severe is a "mid major" player? Don't get me wrong, I'm content w our roster as well. I think we 'll get better. I'm fine with some of our pieces sitting and watching. 12 guys weren't going to play every game.
That said, Lavin has made it a point to recruit "shooters" in Hooper and Bourgault etc. what level are they if Severe comes into college ball putting up 25 points per game against Syracuse and a tough Manhattan team, and he's a "mid major" player?
Severe has taken advantage of his opportunity. At this point, I think it's fair to ask how many games will coach let Hooper use to get comfortable? This is his 3rd year of college. Marco was up and down last year, and mostly down, but at least he had moments. He torched Uconn. Maybe it's time to change the record.
I didn't say he was anything other than a guy who signed with a low end A10 team after local high majors took a pass. My point was that there will always be guys who are borderline HM out of high school who will perform at the college level somewhere else. I could see being upset about it if we didn't have a 9 man rotation flush with highest level talent. He'd be our 5th guard and would probably not impact our team that much due to limited opportunity.
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He is playing in the A-10, so it's not that much of a drop off in competition.
Severe would have made a good 6-8th man on a top 25 team. Severe would have made a good 6-7th man on SJ's roster too.
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He is playing in the A-10, so it's not that much of a drop off in competition.
Severe would have made a good 6-8th man on a top 25 team. Severe would have made a good 6-7th man on SJ's roster too.
The nice part of this thread is that we'll all have some answers on Dec 7th.
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He is playing in the A-10, so it's not that much of a drop off in competition.
Severe would have made a good 6-8th man on a top 25 team. Severe would have made a good 6-7th man on SJ's roster too.
The nice part of this thread is that we'll all have some answers on Dec 7th.
That's right. At least a lot of us get a look up close and personal. I won't be at the game, but look forward to the analysis of Severe's game/skill level.
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Was there this kind of uproar on this board when we didn't recruit Jimmer?
I don't see the "uproar". Plain and simple, Severe made the right choice going to Fordham. He is getting more immediate playing time than here, gets to attend a better school and is and will be a big fish in a small pond. Why waste time on this? I hope he does well, but not against us.
I just see posters saying we made a mistake not recruiting him. Maybe they are right, but all other high majors made the same mistake. I agree, he made the right choice. Maybe we could have used him, but not sure we could even guarantee him PT anyway. I hope he continues his great play. Glad to see him do well. And good job by Chilleb recognizing his talent.
We have two slow "shooters" coming off the bench for us. Combined in 5 games, they've made one 3 pointer. They drawn zero fouls. It's a pretty terrible start. If this continues, then yes, you'd have be delusional to think we couldn't used this kid.
As for those suggesting that he couldn't play at the BE level, Hooper and Bourgault haven't shown that they can play at a D1 level, so your point doesn't hold up at all.
He'd be on the bench on this team like the rest of our "shooters."
Disagree. Like the shooters from Wisconsin, he can do the other stuff well enough to stay on the court. He would not get the same time of minutes he's getting at Fordham, but I think this kid transfers by the end of next year.
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Was there this kind of uproar on this board when we didn't recruit Jimmer?
I don't see the "uproar". Plain and simple, Severe made the right choice going to Fordham. He is getting more immediate playing time than here, gets to attend a better school and is and will be a big fish in a small pond. Why waste time on this? I hope he does well, but not against us.
I just see posters saying we made a mistake not recruiting him. Maybe they are right, but all other high majors made the same mistake. I agree, he made the right choice. Maybe we could have used him, but not sure we could even guarantee him PT anyway. I hope he continues his great play. Glad to see him do well. And good job by Chilleb recognizing his talent.
We have two slow "shooters" coming off the bench for us. Combined in 5 games, they've made one 3 pointer. They drawn zero fouls. It's a pretty terrible start. If this continues, then yes, you'd have be delusional to think we couldn't used this kid.
As for those suggesting that he couldn't play at the BE level, Hooper and Bourgault haven't shown that they can play at a D1 level, so your point doesn't hold up at all.
He'd be on the bench on this team like the rest of our "shooters."
Disagree. Like the shooters from Wisconsin, he can do the other stuff well enough to stay on the court. He would not get the same time of minutes he's getting at Fordham, but I think this kid transfers by the end of next year.
Could be a transfer type of player like Luke Hancock.
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Eli carter type?
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Eli carter type?
Yep, Carter too. I guess I did the dreaded "oreo" comparison that much of the board (Moose?) says we avoid - lol
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Hmm. Not enough shots, lol?
@Jsevere23: I will be making a hard decision soon. So much on my mind.
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Hmm. Not enough shots, lol?
@Jsevere23: I will be making a hard decision soon. So much on my mind.
Saw this coming. I don't think his teammates enjoying plAying with him
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Hmm. Not enough shots, lol?
@Jsevere23: I will be making a hard decision soon. So much on my mind.
Saw this coming. I don't think his teammates enjoying plAying with him
Some chatter out there that Eric Paschall is not happy he committed there. Just rumors, but we'll see. Tom P is in a challenging position.
I went to Fordham/VCU game. The other guards didn't even want to look at Severe
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Did he sign his LOI? Does he have an outside shot?
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Pitt?
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@NYPost_Brazille: I'm told the Jon Severe tweet was not about basketball. Some come off the ledge, Fordham fans.
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@NYPost_Brazille: I'm told the Jon Severe tweet was not about basketball. Some come off the ledge, Fordham fans.
This might put some Fordham fans on the ledge
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A lot of chatter out there that he will leave Fordham.