debate all day and night in here.Nothing to debate. His record speaks for himself. And it’s worse the norm Roberts.
Nothing to debate. His record speaks for himself. And it’s worse the norm Roberts.His record that counts is far superior to Roberts.
His record that counts is far superior to Roberts.
Mullin: 4 seasons - 1 Ncaa tournament
Roberts: 6 seasons - 0 Ncaa tournaments
His record speaks for itself.
The regular season don't mean sh*t except for how it places you in regard to the dance. Everybody knows that.
The only thing that matters here is NCAA tournament appearances. That’s it. Maybe we can enjoy a little success and raise the bar on that in the future.That’s the most absurd thing that you have said in a while. And that’s really saying something.
1/4 years is bare minimum. 2/4 and we’ve got something decent. 3/4 and you’re the best coach in 30 years.
How is it “far” superior?Because percentage wise 1 is more than 0 by like a billion or zillion or google or infinity or an undefined number or such. Wow! That really is far superior. And in less seasons even.
I see what your doing and it’s pretty pathetic. The only thing you can say that is positive about the Mullin regime is his singular lose in the play in game.The only positive thing I can say about any Johnny coach this millennium is that their regime had a singular lose in their opening Ncaa tournament game.
Please point out where I said that Mullin was a great coach. Hint: You've imagined it.
You try your best to make it as if that is the only thing that matters and because of that is what makes him great.
Mullin was handed the keys to a relevant program and crashed it.Two coaches prior the QC guy was 0 for 6. The immediately preceding coach was 2 for 5 and left Mullin with the worst returning roster in the history of the program. Mullin was 1 for 4. Describing St. John's as a "relevant program" in the 2000's is laughable and what exactly was crashed?
only to get embarrassed on Wednesday night not in the final 64, but in Dayton.Roberts would have given his right testicle to get embarrassed such and Hollywood would have traded a healthy prostate for such embarrassment 60% of the time.
Dave, you are letting a handful of guys destroy this board. Who wants to see Carmine debate the same group everyday over Mullin? He’s not even the coach anymore.It'll be better now. We can do it all in this separate thread I've created and those readers with lives or half a brain can avoid it altogether.
A few guys should get short suspensions. I’ll take one for the team and join the group. How many times a day does TonyD have to insult Mullin before something happens? This forum has essentially become his personal diary about how he hates him and it leaves the rest of us with only the option to insult his low intelligence. He has become this generation’s Old Red.
Dave, you are letting a handful of guys destroy this board. Who wants to see Carmine debate the same group everyday over Mullin? He’s not even the coach anymore.
A few guys should get short suspensions. I’ll take one for the team and join the group. How many times a day does TonyD have to insult Mullin before something happens? This forum has essentially become his personal diary about how he hates him and it leaves the rest of us with only the option to insult his low intelligence. He has become this generation’s Old Red.
How is it “far” superior? I see what your doing and it’s pretty pathetic. The only thing you can say that is positive about the Mullin regime is his singular lose in the play in game. You try your best to make it as if that is the only thing that matters and because of that is what makes him great.
Mullin was handed the keys to a relevant program and crashed it.
'Our favored son doctored the most pathetic schedule in school history'Even you probably know that the conference schedule is set by the league. So I'm assuming you're referring to the out of conference schedule.
We had 1 NCAA Tournament appearance (we really should have made it year before too), produced 2/3 NBA players, attendance was up, donors were up
Far from crashing the program.
We had 1 NCAA Tournament appearance (we really should have made it year before too), produced 2/3 NBA players, attendance was up, donors were up
Far from crashing the program.
Roberts would have given his right testicle to get embarrassed such and Hollywood would have traded a healthy prostate for such embarrassment 60% of the time.Agree. Roberts gave a shit and tried his best.
I guess it’s possible. Is that all that mattered to the Mullin faithful? Attendance and donors?No. Ncaa tournament appearances mattered to St. John fans (Mullin faithful).
Who are the 2/3 NBA players? Ponds was there for what 10 days but ill give you that he will probably bounce from time to time.....Who are the other two?Dave is giving Chris mullin credit for Tariq Owens. Simon is in the G league.
we get ZERO credit for Tariq Owens he transferred
we get ZERO credit for Tariq Owens he transferred
He graduated.And mussini and fredenburg travelled thousands of miles to start college then go pro.
He Transferred....Look up players from St. John's playing or to play in NBA he is not associated with us .....dont give me that bs......Lol Foad you would fall that low
Sampson and Harkless.
I don't know how some people of here can bash Lavin and praise Mullin. Lavin was way better and more successful. How can you say oh Mullin Left Anderson Mustapah and LJ two preseason all Big east 2nd team players and then turn around and say Lavin left Mullin with the worst roster in school history when Jordan and Obekpa were actually left here. It has to go both ways here on both sides.
Dave, if you had to choose who would you rather have as the coach of your program Lavin or Mullin? I feel like you are unbiased and honest so I will ask you that.
And blossomed into a much better player at Texas Tech under great coaching vs zero coaching here.
Lavin was a slightly better, albeit sketchier, coach.I was done with this topic. Nudinator 59 described the situation nicely. We should have left it there. This is why this topic will never die.
There really isn’t a ton of difference between our last three coaches in terms of overall effectiveness. When you consider recruiting, philosophy, and in-game coaching it is Anderson-Lavin-Mullin in that order, but we’re talking about the difference in making the tournament and maybe winning a game there. It’s not like we are arguing over a potential Elite Eight. We fired the two guys responsible for that years ago.
The problem, outside of pure delusion, seems to be when coaches raise expectations. Raising expectations here is the first step towards a pink slip.
Would you say he “blossomed into a much better player” at St. John’s vs what he was at Tennessee? He shot 35.3% and averaged far less pts and rebounds per minute with more turnovers per minute there. Of course you wouldn’t say that because it doesn’t fit your narrative, you ridiculous troll.He went from 8 points at St. John’s and now he signed an NBA contract. Anyone who watched him in the tournament knows he got better. Much better. He was faster and stronger also. Those are not opinions, again he just signed a contract.
Owens last season here:
8.4 pts, 5.9 rebs, 2.8 blks, .4 asts
Owens at Texas Tech as a senior with Final Four talent around him:
8.7 pts, 5.8 rbs, 2.4 blks, .7 asts
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tariq-owens-1.html
It would be hard to find someone who played so consistently after switching schools...let alone going from a team that didn’t even make the NIT to a team that made the NCAA tournament championship game.
Would you say he “blossomed into a much better player” at St. John’s vs what he was at Tennessee? He shot 35.3% and averaged far less pts and rebounds per minute with more turnovers per minute there. Of course you wouldn’t say that because it doesn’t fit your narrative, you ridiculous troll.
Owens last season here:
8.4 pts, 5.9 rebs, 2.8 blks, .4 asts
Owens at Texas Tech as a senior with Final Four talent around him:
8.7 pts, 5.8 rbs, 2.4 blks, .7 asts
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tariq-owens-1.html
It would be hard to find someone who played so consistently after switching schools...let alone going from a team that didn’t even make the NIT to a team that made the NCAA tournament championship game.
Of course what you fail to mention there is that Owens essentially matched his output in those categories while playing 13% fewer minutes over the course of the season. That's not an insignificant number. Owens was drastically better at Texas Tech and it wasn't even close.
His offensive rating went from 103.6 to 125.8. Effective FG% from 53.9% to 63%. Those are HUGE differences.
He went from rebounding 5.6% of shots on offense to 10.9%. Nearly double.
His Assist rate was higher, block % was higher and turnover % was lower.
He got to the FT way more and went from a 69% FT shooter to a 78% shooter.
He went from making 54.9% of his two point attempts to 67.6%.
If you think Owens took anything less than a massive leap forward at TTU then you are delusional.
Of course what you fail to mention there is that Owens essentially matched his output in those categories while playing 13% fewer minutes over the course of the season. That's not an insignificant number. Owens was drastically better at Texas Tech and it wasn't even close.
His offensive rating went from 103.6 to 125.8. Effective FG% from 53.9% to 63%. Those are HUGE differences.
He went from rebounding 5.6% of shots on offense to 10.9%. Nearly double.
His Assist rate was higher, block % was higher and turnover % was lower.
He got to the FT way more and went from a 69% FT shooter to a 78% shooter.
He went from making 54.9% of his two point attempts to 67.6%.
If you think Owens took anything less than a massive leap forward at TTU then you are delusional.
I really don’t understand this constant campaign to make Mullins coaching out to be anything more than what his coaching record said it was.
So Mullin developed Owens, ok. That would mean he went 4-14 with two NBA players along with 5 star recruit and eventual DPOY Simon in his starting line up but it’s LoVett’s fault.
Show me one person besides Carmine that has ever said Mullin was even good you f*cking idiot.Can you please call me names also. It makes me feel left out
WTF do you and your three buddies have to prove? Mullin was a disastrous hire. His fate was sealed when Ratt A chased Slide away. You don’t learn on the job in the Big East. Can’t you just leave it at that?
Jesus Christ. We saw awful for six years. It was Norm Roberts. All hope was gone. Just move on you insufferable prick.
Now do the breakdown from Tennessee to St. John’s. It is even bigger. Stop playing things one way.
You constantly say how hard it is for Freshmen big men to be good and now you're trying to compare Owens' jump from his 4th year in college to his 5th year in college to the jump he made from his 1st year to his 3rd year. You know that's comparing apples to razor blades but anything for you to make a point and not look like an idiot I guess.
Owens’ raw stats were nearly identical. Who would you expect Owens to play better next to...a PF that plays on the perimeter like Clark or a 5th-year 250 lb senior who plays down low and averaged almost 20 mpg on his 5-year career at Tech? Whst about the #6 overall draft pick on Culver over an undrsfted G-Leaguer like Ponds? You can go position by position and Tech destroys our 2017-2018 by a wide margin everywhere. Of course he’s going to be more efficient!!!!
Interesting concept. So Anderson doesn’t know how to use Heron and LJ but for Owens supporting cast does play a factor. Go figure.
Who ever said supporting cast doesn’t play a factor? Keep creating strawman arguments to respond to.You realize he left because of the coach right? Not the supporting cast. No other reason. Tariq liked St. John’s
Unlike you and your fellow dummies I don’t have to reduce everything down to binary.
I am not the one who is seeking to credit or discredit a coach. If the poster is going to attempt to credit the third coach of a two-time transfer for improvements without acknowledging the improvements the player made after his first transfer, then that shows obvious bias. How is that debatable?
Nobody on this forum has even suggested Mullin was good...of course he can’t hold Chris Beard’s jockstrap!
Owens’ raw stats were nearly identical. Who would you expect Owens to play better next to...a PF that plays on the perimeter like Clark or a 5th-year 250 lb senior who plays down low and averaged almost 20 mpg on his 5-year career at Tech? Whst about the #6 overall draft pick on Culver over an undrsfted G-Leaguer like Ponds? You can go position by position and Tech destroys our 2017-2018 by a wide margin everywhere. Of course he’s going to be more efficient!!!!
Thank you for admitting you were wrong
I don't know how some people of here can bash Lavin and praise Mullin. Lavin was way better and more successful. How can you say oh Mullin Left Anderson Mustapah and LJ two preseason all Big east 2nd team players and then turn around and say Lavin left Mullin with the worst roster in school history when Jordan and Obekpa were actually left here. It has to go both ways here on both sides.
Dave, if you had to choose who would you rather have as the coach of your program Lavin or Mullin? I feel like you are unbiased and honest so I will ask you that.
What claim did I make and how was it wrong? Reading comprehension errors and a bad memory have become your caing cards.
I don't know how some people of here can bash Lavin and praise Mullin. Lavin was way better and more successful. How can you say oh Mullin Left Anderson Mustapah and LJ two preseason all Big east 2nd team players and then turn around and say Lavin left Mullin with the worst roster in school history when Jordan and Obekpa were actually left here. It has to go both ways here on both sides.
Dave, if you had to choose who would you rather have as the coach of your program Lavin or Mullin? I feel like you are unbiased and honest so I will ask you that.
Ponds - Raptors
Owens- Suns
Simon - Bulls (he's definitely gonna get called up. Playing really well.)
As for a lot of a lot of Owens discussion. I thought his skill development took a large leap at St. John's. If you want credit that purely to maturation I don't think that's fair.
The point still remains Mullin era had some positives. I still firmly believe if the school doubled down on Mullin with an extension and enabled him to expand staff they would have been just fine this year and beyond.
I think there is a good chance they would have been able to convince Simon to have stayed. We would have been top half of conference and dancing.
What do you think his staff would look like this year had he stayed? Just curious
Who ever said supporting cast doesn’t play a factor?
Jordan was not going to be on the roster even if Lavin was here. He was not going to classes and his academics were in shambles. Obekpa was gone too. He never suited up in college again.Lots of great points in your post including recalling that they couldn't even get food for their student athletes but I will add that their coach may have been able to help in that department if he wasn't 3,000 miles away.
Mullin had the worst administration in sju sports history. Atleast Lavin had Orange Man. Mullin had an interim and then they hired Goff, who had no idea what he was doing. They couldn't even retain lower level support staff. They couldn't provide proper transportation or food for their student athletes. It was a joke.
Lav had hit his ceiling with this program. He brought in some great talent, but that well was drying out and his heart wasn't in it anymore. He had marital problems, Cancer, Pops dying.
If Cragg was here for the start of the Mullin era this program would be taking off.
I must have missed you stating that as part of the reason Heron and LJ aren’t performing up to their pre-season billing.
He was left nothing also.It is impossible that anybody believes Lavin was left with nothing.
Hopefully our new coach is better.Reality check. Mark the date. The Honeymoon is over.
Fit your narrative? 20-59 isn’t ok. 20-59 is disgracefulIt's a lot better percentage wise than the coach who's a$$ you've been kissing since April.
Lavin without hesitation
I totally agree with Marillac, the only person on here the thinks Mullin was a good coach is Carmine. I feel that everyone else states the obvious, legendary player, awful coach.
I feel like most of us should try to be more realistic with things. Mullin was a bad coach, and the team this year has been horrible so far. You have to give Anderson time and players for his system but the half court offense has been almost as bad as the Mullins first year team.
I thought Mullin axed the idea of bringing mike rice in.
My position regarding our hero was succinctly stated in the Providence thread:
For languages where "succinct" means repeats the same single thought over and over and over again several times a day with slight variations in language and syntax. Unlike English, where succinct means the opposite.I meant this one time. Not overall obviously.
My position regarding our hero was succinctly stated in the Providence thread:Not a runaway success? How so? No one says "Fxck you" like Coach Mullin
"No, we can agree that Mullin came here a novice coach inheriting the worst roster ever in the history of St. John's and improved his record all four years he was here. The final one was outstanding culminating in an Ncaa tournament bid. His tenure here was not a runaway success.
CFC meanwhile is 1 and 5."
Go to hogville.net and look up the complaints about Anderson. They never changed regardless of the season.
We missed enough shots the last three games where the half court offense stuff can stop. Wasn’t the reason we lost.
Exactly, but it won’t cause it doesn’t fit the trolls narrative.
One of the biggest criticisms of Mullin was his staff.I haven't noticed Anderson look to his staff at all. The younger guy occasionally barks out instructions.
What does everyone think about Anderson’s staff? Obviously it’s Anderson’s team, but is his staff strong to influence Anderson down the road to change the strategy of needed?
One of the biggest criticisms of Mullin was his staff.
What does everyone think about Anderson’s staff? Obviously it’s Anderson’s team, but is his staff strong to influence Anderson down the road to change the strategy of needed?
One of the biggest criticisms of Mullin was his staff.
What does everyone think about Anderson’s staff? Obviously it’s Anderson’s team, but is his staff strong to influence Anderson down the road to change the strategy of needed?
Why are you on this board if you are a D1 head coach Marillac?
I thought Mullin axed the idea of bringing mike rice in. I just don't get why he didn't make Mitch a special advisor and hire a real coach and recruiter.That was stupid. Mullin had zero coaching exp, so who does he hire as his associate head coach , someone also w zero coaching exp. He should have had an experienced coach that was a recruiter also as his first assistant.
I am a lawyer. I went to law school instead of taking that job. There are aspects of being involved with a college athletic program that are disgusting and completely exhausting.Give you a lot of credit for attending camps and clinics. Just wondering if you ran into Chrissy at any of them?
I have many stories as a former student athlete and coach that I can’t share here. In basketball and football it’s something new every single day. Drugs, fights, not going to class, girls, etc. I wanted no part of that.
I came up through the circuit of camps and clinics (and many hours drinking at the bar and hotel rooms after) with a ton of awesome guys who are now head coaches at prep schools, JUCOs and assistants at D-1 and D-2 colleges. JUCO was always seen as just a rung on the ladder — and you often have to switch ladders every year or two keep climbing. An assistant position at a Big East school is on a different planet than any head coaching JUCO position.
That was stupid. Mullin had zero coaching exp, so who does he hire as his associate head coach , someone also w zero coaching exp. He should have had an experienced coach that was a recruiter also as his first assistant.
Give you a lot of credit for attending camps and clinics. Just wondering if you ran into Chrissy at any of them?
Marillac thanks for sharing.What do you think is wrong with the staff? I haven’t agreed with everything he has done. But the guys have responded. Well aware we are losing.
I asked about Anderson’s staff is because since everything is new this is a baseline year. That means limited adjustments will probably be made as CMA staff learns his systems and how he runs things.
It will be interesting if anything can be adjusted or changed in the future. Not expecting major changes because Anderson has his system, but what kind of influence will he Anderson allow his staff to have.
...Some of these games have to go our way...eventually...right?...
What do you think is wrong with the staff? I haven’t agreed with everything he has done. But the guys have responded. Well aware we are losing.
But the guys have responded.The guys have responded? What would the record be if they hadn't responded. 0-7?
We should see steady improvement each year as the offensive talent on the team improves.You've got to be kidding me with this line. That won't be good enough for you. That's what Mullin did and you hate him.
Tony not saying there is anything wrong with the staff. Just trying to compare.
A big critique of Mullin’s tenure was his staff.
What hurt Lavin was when Dunlap left.
Is Anderson and his staff a good pairing, does it make sense. Would there anybody want any upgrades.
Everyone can agree that Norm had to go, but the disagreement (which can be good debate) is with the two previous coaches and our current one.
Anderson is clearly the coach first coach. Where Lavin was recruiting, and Mullin was an all time great that was also learning on the job.
Can it be said that part of the downfall was a weak staff for Lavin and Mullin? Can Anderson stabilize this program with Regis staff?
I think Anderson put together a very complementary and experienced staff. I still believe that recruiting will be biggest question mark.
No, but I’ve chatted up Slice several times.
You've got to be kidding me with this line. That won't be good enough for you. That's what Mullin did and you hate him.
His recruiting philosophy […] was not gonna cut it. […] He had one of the greatest scorers in SJU history playing along with 4 & 5 star recruits
Yeah, recruiting "one of the greatest scorers in SJ history" and various other "4 & 5 star recruits," that sounds like not cutting it. Good point.None of you mullin fans will answer this. But would any of you who had a son who was a high 4 star recruit send your son to play for Chris mullin? Assuming he had other high offers would anyone even consider St. John’s ?
None of you mullin fans will answer this. But would any of you who had a son who was a high 4 star recruit send your son to play for Chris mullin? Assuming he had other high offers would anyone even consider St. John’s ?Mullin did convince Pervous Ellison to send his son to St Johns; Ponds', Yakwe's, LoVett's, Heron's parents all bought in, Clark, Simon...we did get our fair share of highly rated HS talent. Trouble was, on the court, he didn't do anything but set up 3 point shots on offense and relied on shot blocking for defense.
Mullin did convince Pervous Ellison to send his son to St Johns; Ponds', Yakwe's, LoVett's, Heron's parents all bought in, Clark, Simon...we did get our fair share of highly rated HS talent.
Yeah, recruiting "one of the greatest scorers in SJ history" and various other "4 & 5 star recruits," that sounds like not cutting it. Good point.
People don’t want to hear this but Ponds, LoVett, Yakwe, and Mussini came to SJU curtesy of the Lavin regime.
mullin fans
Sure. So when Lavin was at St John's he recruited Joey Delarosa and Amar Alibagowirz and then two years after he left he landed Ponds and Lovett. Thanks for the mind numbingly stupid take.
Sure. So when Lavin was at St John's he recruited Joey Delarosa and Amar Alibagowirz and then two years after he left he landed Ponds and Lovett. Thanks for the mind numbingly stupid take.
We were barely mentioned with Ponds under lavin. To not give mullin credit for signing him is ridiculous.
I thought you called it worse than mullin and norms staff?
People don’t want to hear this but Ponds, LoVett, Yakwe, and Mussini came to SJU curtesy of the Lavin regime. Then look who we began to land out of HS, Trimble, Earlington, Roberts, and Williams. We had no one but Mack committed for the 2019 class. We had one recruiter who didn’t spend much time in HS’s.
Really? How dumb is my take Dave?
People don’t want to hear this but Ponds, LoVett, Yakwe, and Mussini came to SJU curtesy of the Lavin regime.
Trying to argue with me on posts I don't even make. Sheesh
I don’t hate Mullin. Last year was the best he was going to get us. We can be better than losing in the play in game every 4 years. That was our ceiling. His recruiting philosophy and not emphasizing defense and rebounding was not gonna cut it.I don't know. None of us do and we never will. Not withstanding the unusual certainty with which you write about a present that didn't happen and a future that never will.
He had one of the greatest scorers in SJU history playing along with 4 & 5 star recruits and couldn’t generate a .500 record in BE play? He’s not getting another Ponds, mainly because they weren’t recruiting HS kids. This year was gonna be rough regardless of who the coach was.
Do you believe Mullin was going to bring us to the NCAA tournament this year if he was retained?
Lavin deserves some credit for making inroads but Mullin's staff deserves credit for closing.
As for '19 class Mullin and staff were out the door and stopped recruiting. We would have had more commitments if Mullin got an extension.
I don't know. None of us do and we never will. Not withstanding the unusual certainty with which you write about a present that didn't happen and a future that never will.
Uhhh, no. The vast majority of the time players commit to coaches not to schools. Giving Lavin even a little credit for any of those guys is absurd.
You can’t develop and sustain a winning tradition off of transfers alone imo.
Yes, Chiles and Lav were recruiting Ponds. They had a good relationship. Was not a done deal.
Once Mullin was hired, new staff made recruiting him a priority and the Ponds family was in.
Mullin and Co. brought in talent. More talent than Mike Anderson will ever get to Queens. If his teams would've stayed together, especially Lovett and Owens, we would all be signing a different tune. Yes, retaining a full roster was where he failed and led to the lack of depth. We will see if Anderson can do more with less. TBD.
We would be looking at a Curbello and CJ Wilcher backcourt next yr. Not to take anything away from Posh and Wusu, but these guys are a step above.
I thought Mullin was finding his coaching groove at many points last yr. Heron hurt his knee and Ponds broke down end of the season. He won 21 games, should've been 9-9 in conference and 3rd place. I think we all expected more though. We deserved it. Dixon leaving and Keita hurting his knee which he never recovered from also put a dent into things. The fact they didn't add a piece or two in the offseason was confusing.
Mullin really deserved a real AD. The guy bleeds St. John's. His whole family went here. Even his kids. He wasn't devoid of blame. He could've and should've done a few things differently. Would like to have seen him and Cragg elevating the brand together. Oh well.
You're right I did. My statement now just now doesn't eradicate nor contradict that either.
Really? How dumb is my take Dave?
I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid.One of the few things we have agreed on was missini as you named him sucked. I give mullin plenty of credit for bringing him in. Lavin targeted him he deserves blame. They can also share blame for the German. Both recuited him here. And both get blame for amar. Both recruited him here.
I'll field this one, I think Dave's busy. Your take is quite dumb. By the time Lavin left SJU when he wasn't scouring the south of France for program changers like Amar Alibeowitz he was recruiting kids on their way to prison and grinning sociopaths who wore their shorts pulled up over their ears and exchanging transcripts with corrupt academics in darkened parking lots. He was not recruiting at a high level and had not been for several years.
I'd hope that Chiles was recruiting various HS athletes, Ponds and whoever else, in NYC and elsewhere. That was after all his job. If we give Lavin credit for landing them, if some of them committed to some other school after Mullin got hired, does Lavin get credit for not landing them? Probably that's on Mullin, huh. Because Mullin bad. And if instead of hiring Mullin they'd rehired Norm and Ponds committed elsewhere that's probably be on Norm. Because Norm bad.
After SJ beat Syracuse Mullin's first year in a game where Mussini made five threes Mullin went out of his way to credit Louie for Mussini's recruitment. He said something like I don't speak Italian. In the post game classy Steve Lavin dismissed Lou's involvement and took credit for Mussini as "my guy." What might have happened do you think if Mussini had missed those threes. Probably he's Mullin's guy then huh. Because Mullin bad.
Rinse and repeat.
Mussini as a junior and senior playing along side Ponds, Lovett, Simon would have been way better than Bryan Trimble or Mikey Dixon.
The thing with Mussini was he was forced to play too much too soon at PG on a very bad team.
A year later he had a reduced role and his efficiency increased a lot. He played 10 less mpg and averaged 2 less ppg. His 3pt% increased a ton.
He was only a sophomore. Coaching staff should have done more to keep him happy it was an area that they struggled mightily.
Look at a guy like Sean McDermott for Butler or Colin Gillespie for Villanova. Both I wouldn't consider strong defenders or physically imposing but each has made strides as they became upperclassmen.
Mussini as a junior and senior playing along side Ponds, Lovett, Simon would have been way better than Bryan Trimble or Mikey Dixon.
I’m asking what you believe. Such as do you believe in God. None of us know for certain, but it doesn’t prevent you from proclaiming your belief.Ok. I believe we would have made the Ncaa's this year under coach Mullin.
two other things turned off many fans,I don't think even one other thing turned off many fans as they showed up in droves and attendance was through the roof. Unless in today's day and age a characteristic of turned off fans is purchasing tickets to basketball games.
I don't think even one other thing turned off many fans as they showed up in droves and attendance was through the roof. Unless in today's day and age a characteristic of turned off fans is purchasing tickets to basketball games.That’s actually true. For the most part NYC wanted to see Chris mullin. However fans who pay attention besides the 8 left on here knew he was a fraud.
Ok. I believe we would have made the Ncaa's this year under coach Mullin.Thanks for proving the old axiom that it is better to remain silent and have people think you an idiot than to speak up and remove all doubt.
I don't think even one other thing turned off many fans as they showed up in droves and attendance was through the roof. Unless in today's day and age a characteristic of turned off fans is purchasing tickets to basketball games.So you are telling me that you were happy w Mullins staff makeup, his , not Matt’s, recruiting and the time he spent on campus during the summer months ?
Thanks for proving the old axiom that it is better to remain silent and have people think you an idiot than to speak up and remove all doubt.He pressed me for an answer so I gave one. Making predictions about non existing presents and futures not a strong point.
So you are telling me that you were happy w Mullins staff makeup, his , not Matt’s, recruiting and the time he spent on campus during the summer months ?I will answer for carmine. He will tell you neither he nor you are at practice. So who knows what the assistants do. 2 hall of famers are better then one. He will ignore the California part of your post. As of yet carmine has not figured out a way to explain the fact that mullin lives in California.
So you are telling me that you were happy w Mullins staff makeup, his , not Matt’s, recruiting and the time he spent on campus during the summer months ?I don't concern myself much about assistant coaches. I think it's difficult to judge what they do and don't do unless you're really close to and involved with the program which I'm not.
I agree with you about Mussini being an asset, but Gillespie and McDermott are on another planet than Mussini athletically.
I will answer for carmine.Please don't as you and I are polar opposites.
Mussini was 150 pounds. Compared to other big east guards he was to slow, to short, and and not strong enough. The fact that he couldn’t even be a back up PG made recruiting him, whoever you blame for it a huge mistake. Imagine playing him and ponds at the same time, they would give up a 100 points a game.
Look at Marquette, 2 years ago they had Howard and Andrew rousey (who was way better then mussini) they scored plenty but didn’t win many games.
Mussini like Clarke accumulated stats but shouldn’t have been here. Guys like that were the reason we lost. How many big east games did either guy help us win?
Earlington everyone loves (I like him to). He plays hard and smart. But he is a liability. On a good team he isn’t playing. He gets his shot blocked like 3 times every game. How many rebounds would a taller player get? Unlike the other 2 he gets the most out of his ability and competes. It’s just tough to win with a guy like him playing 20 minutes a game.
And he is one of our better players.
I don't concern myself much about assistant coaches. I think it's difficult to judge what they do and don't do unless you're really close to and involved with the program which I'm not.Mitch had no coaching experience. Although, I too am not close to the program, and far from a bb expert, moving him to top assistant coupled w Mullins inexperience was not the smartest move. Regarding the summer months, he wasn’t coaching the players, he wasn’t going to AAU events and he wasn’t recruiting. I do not believe to many people would dispute that.
I give all the credit, and blame, to the head coach as it's warranted. I will say that losing Slice was probably a blow. Seems like a shame that he and Matt couldn't play nicer together in the sandbox.
I don't know what was done and not done by Chris over the summer months.
I don't concern myself much about assistant coaches. I think it's difficult to judge what they do and don't do unless you're really close to and involved with the program which I'm not.
I give all the credit, and blame, to the head coach as it's warranted. I will say that losing Slice was probably a blow. Seems like a shame that he and Matt couldn't play nicer together in the sandbox.
I don't know what was done and not done by Chris over the summer months.
Tony... also to your criticisms of Earlington.We are 1-5 that is the problem. I like earlington, Rutherford, and even caraher as players. They give us everything they have. They play smart.
He's a sophomore off the bench who barely played as a freshman. He's leading the team in FG% and provides a spark nearly all the time.
Through the moon with what he brings to the table and how he's progressing. What is the problem?!?
Marquette won 19 and 21 games respectively and finished 4th and 6th in conference. Sign me up!! Additionally we're comparing Rousey who led them in scoring and minutes vs Mussini who we saying as 3rd guard, 6th man.Had this conversation with Marquette fans at the big east. We all agreed rousey was great player. They were happy he was leaving because they couldn’t stop anyone with him. They expected to do better the following year without him. And the did. 2nd in conference.
I think this further proves my point that he could have been valuable asset as an upperclassmen.
If, if, if. All hypothetical nonsense that you have no way of proving. What we do know is that Mullin had arguably the most talented team in the BE last year and couldn't even finish .500 in conference. Pretty sad and that's a fact. It wasn't confusing that they didn't add a piece. It was lazy garbage on behalf of Mullin for not being able to find one serviceable big. Just one.
I see you're still hanging from my sack. Go cry on twitter again and make a poll. If you want to make it personal, like i told another poster... let's meet at a game.You saw that poll? I voted for you
We are 1-5 that is the problem. I like earlington, Rutherford, and even caraher as players. They give us everything they have. They play smart.
But We are losing because of them. They are not good enough. Maybe if we had one of them. But all 3.
Dunn is one of our best players and he should be a backup.
I am tired of losing.
Transfers alone? In just Mullin’s last season had three high school kids.
Anderson loves transfers. He has two transfers committed already for next year and has offered at least one of Cole’s JUCO teammates. Are we in full blown bizzarro world now? We will almost cetainly grab a grad transfer too and, all told, we may be looking at 4-5 transfers total depending on who leaves.
I wouldn’t say Dunn is bad. I would agree he is inefficient and tries to do too much relative to his skill set.
Dunn is bad more than he is good. Takes bad shots leading to bad % and often drives into too much traffic.
We are 1-5 that is the problem. I like earlington, Rutherford, and even caraher as players. They give us everything they have. They play smart.
But We are losing because of them. They are not good enough. Maybe if we had one of them. But all 3.
Dunn is one of our best players and he should be a backup.
I am tired of losing.
There’s nothing wrong with transfers in general, but it appeared that the staff was looking primarily at transfers then after using HS to fill out the roster. Problem with that strategy is you don’t know who’s going to be in the transfer portal and by that time most of the quality HS talent is off the board and your left with projects like Williams, Roberts, and Earlington.
So now we are losing because of players who are 8th and 9th in minutes played on the team? How about we upgrade players 3 through 5?I wish there was a plus minus stat. We are losing close games. From watching it looks like we are losing with our drive team
I'm not going to include Rutherford in this conversation bc we all know he is stopgap and subpar.
I wish there was a plus minus stat. We are losing close games. From watching it looks like we are losing with our drive team
Yeah I could see SJUBB having 6 newcomers, Cole, Posh, Wusu, Moore, Pickney, and Rand.Plus PG that is hurt.
That would make a bunch of people cry.You're projecting your own feelings about last season under Mullin onto others. ALL posters here want the team to win.
You're projecting your own feelings about last season under Mullin onto others. ALL posters here want the team to win.How come you didn’t contradict Marillac when he said Mullin was a terrible hire and awful coach?
We are 2-5 in conference.I know you struggle mightily with the wins...hyphen...losses format, but we're 2 and 6.
How come you didn’t contradict Marillac when he said Mullin was a terrible hire and awful coach?I must have missed that. If he said he was a terrible hire, I agree with that. Anyone would have been a terrible hire at that point. We should have stayed with Hollywood. I don't agree he was an awful coach. He was a novice coach that improved the team all 4 seasons and had one terrific one in his finale.
I know you struggle mightily with the wins...hyphen...losses format, but we're 2 and 6.20-59 is still correct?
20-59 is still correct?Which is still better than 2-6 percentage wise. Sorry for the advanced mathematics.
Which is still better than 2-6 percentage wise. Sorry for the advanced mathematics.True. But Mullin was 0-8 with 8 knockouts after 8 games
True. But Mullin was 0-8 with 8 knockouts after 8 gamesYou're out of your freakin mind. I don't know what the hell your talking about.
You're projecting your own feelings about last season under Mullin onto others. ALL posters here want the team to win.
What gives you the authority to speak for all posters? Did God tell you that?Carmine speaks the truth
Why is the Nova thread locked, people were actually talking about the game hahaha.
Looks like one of the mods moved and merged some irrelevant conversation from the nova thread to here.
What gives you the authority to speak for all posters? Did God tell you that?Nothing. "I fight authority, but authority always wins."
Nothing. "I fight authority, but authority always wins."Seton hall was a nice crowd. 65-35 St. John’s. Lower deck was full. One side had plenty of people in second deck. Mostly seton hall fans.
I haven't surveyed all posters and I have seen times in the past when purported St. John's fans have rooted for the team to lose. From my daily read of this board I don't get the sense that it's happening now. CFC is in his honeymoon phase where he gets full support. On the interweb only of course. Nobody is going to the games. I'm in a slump myself. I haven't been live since our early season sojourn through the America East
Nothing. "I fight authority, but authority always wins."With the amount of criticism CMA is receiving on this board hard to characterize this as a honeymoon faze.
I haven't surveyed all posters and I have seen times in the past when purported St. John's fans have rooted for the team to lose. From my daily read of this board I don't get the sense that it's happening now. CFC is in his honeymoon phase where he gets full support. On the interweb only of course. Nobody is going to the games. I'm in a slump myself. I haven't been live since our early season sojourn through the America East
With the amount of criticism CMA is receiving on this board hard to characterize this as a honeymoon faze.What criticism? I've seen some very mild questioning of his ability to recruit but that's about it.
What criticism? I've seen some very mild questioning of his ability to recruit but that's about it.Where and at what time will you be appearing? I'd love to catch your act in person because you are hilarious.
Where and at what time will you be appearing? I'd love to catch your act in person because you are hilarious.I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitresses and bartenders.
Where and at what time will you be appearing? I'd love to catch your act in person because you are hilarious.
Everyone is hilarious compared to you.and everyone is a basketball savant compared to you.
One thing between the 2 staffs , it is amazing how much more the collective coaching experience is on Anderson’s staff relative to Mullins.
And you got this perspective from?
From their resumes. There is really no arguing this. We need to learn to concede to objective facts and stipulate to obvious observations.Pure comedy.
So this season is no Ncaa tournament bid. Next season is no tournament bid either as teams don't go from 4 -14 to 9 - 9 in one year depending on so many freshmen. The very BEST we can hope for is that CFC dances in year three, and that's being very wishful, to tie coach Mullins achievement here.
The traitors are going to owe our legend one grand apology.
So this season is no Ncaa tournament bid. Next season is no tournament bid either as teams don't go from 4 -14 to 9 - 9 in one year depending on so many freshmen. The very BEST we can hope for is that CFC dances in year three, and that's being very wishful, to tie coach Mullins achievement here.
The traitors are going to owe our legend one grand apology.
I hope Mullin knows you and appreciates your support. The blind loyalty you show for him admirable as it is annoying.I know you want to say it. Mullin is a bum
I don’t think Mullin really cares anymore one or the other about the basketball program.
He left NYC 40 years ago only to comeback here for five years, just to go back California. He’s a West Coaster born in Brooklyn.
SJU alumni in general acts like a bunch of Uncle Rico’s who only remember the 80s and the would’ve could’ve should’ve of that period.
Mullin wasn’t going to work out here because of the disunion of the AD and him. Mullin went for the power play of going above Cragg’s head and failed. This would have been a tension filled season anyways because those two could not exist in the same organization.
No we wouldn’t. We needed to move on regardless of how Anderson preforms here.
It may very well take Anderson until year three to make the NCAA tournament. That’s what happens when you inherit a program that is in need of rebuilding.
Why did we need to move on?
Because last year's team had the most talented roster in the Big East, in the most down year for the BE in forever, and still finished in 7th place and below .500 in conference. And that was Mullin's best year.
Because last year's team had the most talented roster in the Big East
How was a team that had no depth and no big man the most talented in the Big East? Perhaps you meant to say most talented starting five but even that's questionable. Was SJU's starting five > Howard, the Hauser twins and Theo John? Powell, Cale, McKnight, Nzei and Mamaluke? Booth, Pasquall, Gillespie, Bey?
Last year Villanova had six RSCI top 100 kids, Marquette had five, Creighton had four and Xavier G'town and Seton Hall had three, as did SJU and one of their top 100 is evidently a bum who's singlehandedly responsible for pulling Coach Home Run into the toilet. Stop acting like Mullin was running Murderer's Row out there, because he wasn't. He had Ponds and Simon three other guys and then Bryan Trimble.
Their was a clear plan. Fire mullin, and hire someone who has experience and will do the job professionally and take the position seriously.
They had zero plan to move on from Mullin. You move on when you have an actual target. Cragg got played like an amateur. The process was an absolute joke.
Anderson was an unimpressive hire. His career had been trending downward. His recruiting will leave at lot to be desired. I had no problem with moving on if they made a strong hire. This was not. The program is dead. No buzz anywhere. Look at the recruits at our games... there are none. They aren't making inroads. It will be JUCOs with an imbalanced roster.
Being that the original question that I replied to was "why did we need to move on" from Mullin, your first two comments only further cement why we needed to. No depth and especially no big man were both knocks on the hall of fame player. Further supporting why we needed to move on. We could argue the most talented, or the 2nd most talented or 3rd most talented last year. Bottom line is they're all just more reasons why he wasn't getting the job done.
I don't agree with the "need to move on" proposition for a number of reasons, mostly because firing every coach who makes the NCAA tournament is counterproductive. I think there were minor tweaks - to the system, to the staff - that might have improved things. Still, I understand the reasoning of those that thought Mullin had to go.
What I don't understand is the need to guild the lily. Because if things were that bad you don't need to make things up to make them worse. For example this bit of nonsense:
St John's had the best roster in the league last year, despite the fact that they had no depth and no height, which lack of depth and height was detrimental to the roster and that's on Mullin
How is all of that true? It isn't. It can't be.
And if it is (and it can't be) how are we nine months later rebuilding when 40 percent of the best roster in the league is back?
So we had to move on because Mullin recruited the best roster in the league and made the NCAA tournament? Okay, so if coming in 7th and making the tournament is bad what's good about ninth place? Oh that's right, we're instilling a culture. Which culture you know we're instilling because you're there in the huddle. In the locker room. In the trenches.
Idea: just say Chris Mullin needed to go because I hated Chris Mullin. Be honest. Stop trying to rationalize your emotions. Stop trying to justify them. Hatred is good. It's our friend. Just cop to it. It's liberating. I hated Steve Lavin and was happy when he was fired despite what little success he had. Because I loathed him. Although in retrospect they never should have fired him. Because they fired the next guy and inevitably they'll fire this guy, assuming he makes the tournament obviously.
I don't agree with the "need to move on" proposition for a number of reasons, mostly because firing every coach who makes the NCAA tournament is counterproductive. I think there were minor tweaks - to the system, to the staff - that might have improved things. Still, I understand the reasoning of those that thought Mullin had to go.You are making this complicated. It’s very simple. Was Chris Mullin a good coach? Did he hire a proper staff? Was he working hard enough? Were the results good enough? Did he do everything in his power to do the best job he could do?
What I don't understand is the need to guild the lily. Because if things were that bad you don't need to make things up to make them worse. For example this bit of nonsense:
St John's had the best roster in the league last year, despite the fact that they had no depth and no height, which lack of depth and height was detrimental to the roster and that's on Mullin
How is all of that true? It isn't. It can't be.
And if it is (and it can't be) how are we nine months later rebuilding when 40 percent of the best roster in the league is back?
So we had to move on because Mullin recruited the best roster in the league and made the NCAA tournament? Okay, so if coming in 7th and making the tournament is bad what's good about ninth place? Oh that's right, we're instilling a culture. Which culture you know we're instilling because you're there in the huddle. In the locker room. In the trenches.
Idea: just say Chris Mullin needed to go because I hated Chris Mullin. Be honest. Stop trying to rationalize your emotions. Stop trying to justify them. Hatred is good. It's our friend. Just cop to it. It's liberating. I hated Steve Lavin and was happy when he was fired despite what little success he had. Because I loathed him. Although in retrospect they never should have fired him. Because they fired the next guy and inevitably they'll fire this guy, assuming he makes the tournament obviously.
How is it not true that the lack of depth and lack of big man were not on Mullin last year?
The answer to every question in the first paragraph is no.
Because last year's team had the most talented roster in the Big East, in the most down year for the BE in forever, and still finished in 7th place and below .500 in conference. And that was Mullin's best year.
Why did we need to move on?
What happened to Mullin going through the back doors at local h.s. to see top local kids?
That was all B.S. the sob just wanted to go back to cali in the summer and told lard ass to recruit everyone. Rather play horse with mitch.
Do you know how people recruit these days? Imagine this concept... phone calls,texts and emails.Andre curbello, the guy who you said was coming. Was quoted in a rivals or 24-7 article saying he never once spoke to Chris mullin.
Do you know how people recruit these days? Imagine this concept... phone calls,texts and emails.Is that how you scout the players you want also?
Things are not looking good. Hearing there is likely going to be mass exodus of players at end of year.Explain yourself. Like who? Besides steer who looks un happy? They are losing but playing hard.
Is that how you scout the players you want also?He won’t answer that
Explain yourself. Like who? Besides steer who looks un happy? They are losing but playing hard.
Idk about looking happy or unhappy but as many as 5 players.Like who? Where are the going to go?
Idk about looking happy or unhappy but as many as 5 players.Are these players that we want to recruit over or are these players we want to stay leaving?
Like who? Where are the going to go?
Essentially everyone not recruited by this staff. Only one I didn't hear was EarlingtonNot exactly shocking news. I hope Williams stays. His father seems happy with his son here.
Essentially everyone not recruited by this staff. Only one I didn't hear was EarlingtonChampaigne is one I wouldn't see as likely to transfer either or Dunn either for that matter.
Is that how you scout the players you want also?
Socuting is done by support staff and assistants. Just like every other sport.This guy was a NY hero. He could have been great here. He choose not to.
Socuting is done by support staff and assistants. Just like every other sport.Even Ole Roy Williams, Coach K and Patrick Ewing are regularly seen scouting HS games. Mullin did it his first year or two before he became a permanent west coaster again. Also absent all off season when NCAA allows for individual instruction for players which is why T. Owens left.
Because last year's team had the most talented roster in the Big East, in the most down year for the BE in forever, and still finished in 7th place and below .500 in conference. And that was Mullin's best year.
Holy sh*t you are stupid. The most talented team? We didn’t have a single big man that could score in the paint. Not a PF and not a center. We didn’t have a single capable secondary ball-handler. We didn’t have a single big man that could defend and rebound.This is confusing, is their depth or not? Simon stinks and had no offensive game? He was a 5 star recruit, Mullin couldn’t have done anything to get him going?
Simon was so bad offensively that some teams literally chose not to defend him!
Oh, and we had no depth.
If you want to blame the staff for poor recruiting and poor roster construction...that is fine. To suggest we had a top roster is ‘tarded and not based in reality.
Holy sh*t you are stupid. The most talented team? We didn’t have a single big man that could score in the paint. Not a PF and not a center. We didn’t have a single capable secondary ball-handler. We didn’t have a single big man that could defend and rebound.
Simon was so bad offensively that some teams literally chose not to defend him!
Oh, and we had no depth.
If you want to blame the staff for poor recruiting and poor roster construction...that is fine. To suggest we had a top roster is ‘tarded and not based in reality.
Even Ole Roy Williams, Coach K and Patrick Ewing are regularly seen scouting HS games. Mullin did it his first year or two before he became a permanent west coaster again. Also absent all off season when NCAA allows for individual instruction for players which is why T. Owens left.
Holy sh*t you are stupid. The most talented team? We didn’t have a single big man that could score in the paint. Not a PF and not a center. We didn’t have a single capable secondary ball-handler. We didn’t have a single big man that could defend and rebound.
Simon was so bad offensively that some teams literally chose not to defend him!
Oh, and we had no depth.
If you want to blame the staff for poor recruiting and poor roster construction...that is fine. To suggest we had a top roster is ‘tarded and not based in reality.
Andre curbello, the guy who you said was coming. Was quoted in a rivals or 24-7 article saying he never once spoke to Chris mullin.
If you are saying that it’s not important to get out and recruit. You are only lying to yourself. Besides being a terrible coach. He couldn’t even be the hero.
Patrick hired a real staff. Patrick recruits. Patrick has relationships with aau and Hs coaches. Patrick actually coaches. Patrick still has a job.
Things are not looking good. Hearing there is likely going to be mass exodus of players at end of year.
Hope Williams and Roberts stay but I’d bet they both go.
It may very well take Anderson until year three to make the NCAA tournament. That’s what happens when you inherit a program that is in need of rebuilding.It may very well take Mullin until year four to make the Ncaa tournament. That's what happens when you inherit a program that is the worst team in the history of the school.
Because last year's team had the most talented roster in the Big EastLast year's team had no size; no depth; Bryan Trimble as it's 6th man with no 7th man; and a power forward who played on the perimeter and committed two fouls in the pregame layup line.
Yes, that is part of the story but only a small insignificant part and your purposely omitting the big picture. Nobody cares about the regular season. It doesn't matter. You either qualify for the Ncaa tournament or you don't. Mullin did.
and still finished in 7th place and below .500 in conference.
Bottom line is they're all just more reasons why he wasn't getting the job done.The Ncaa tournament bid is a reason that he did get the job done.
Patrick hired a real staff. Patrick recruits. Patrick has relationships with aau and Hs coaches. Patrick actually coaches. Patrick still has a job.Patrick didn't make the tournament in either of his first two seasons and won't make it again this season. If he doesn't make it again next season, and he won't, that'll be one coach not as good as coach Mullin. I hope CFC won't be another one.
Curbelo never spoke to Curbelo? Wow what a shocker, just like Femi coming to visit SJU campus and SJU's greatness was in cali getting a nice sun tan on the beach?
What a load of s*. Thank god Chris stepped down.
Femi sure kicked our ass last year.
Not exactly shocking news.It wouldn't be shocking news to you that "transfer U" is not over? I'm sorry, but you are really full of sh*t.
It may very well take Mullin until year four to make the Ncaa tournament. That's what happens when you inherit a program that is the worst team in the history of the school.
So why didn't our legend deserve the same patience and understanding from the traitors?
Last year's team had no size; no depth; Bryan Trimble as it's 6th man with no 7th man; and a power forward who played on the perimeter and committed two fouls
Things are not looking good. Hearing there is likely going to be mass exodus of players at end of year.
It may very well take Mullin until year four to make the Ncaa tournament. That's what happens when you inherit a program that is the worst team in the history of the school.Because he didn’t try.
So why didn't our legend deserve the same patience and understanding from the traitors?
He inherited a team that was a relevant program. Who had post season play in 4 out of 5 years. Back to back 20 win seasons. Back to back over .500 conference record. A team coming off a NCAA birth. He inherited a team who had CO, and Jordan. Who had Samir and Sampson committed. Who was building a European pipeline. Had Ponds gift wrapped.Team 1: Jones, Balamou, Alibagovic
The team Mullin ended up having was the team HE built. He didn’t want CO, Jordan, Samir or Sampson. I gave him year one and two and did not criticize him even though we looked terrible. Was looking forward to year 3 and we started BE play 0-11 with 2 maybe 3 NBA players in the starting line up and Clark coming off the bench.
He didn’t care about defense and rebounding. He didn’t care about recruiting. He didn’t care about building personal connections with his players. He didn’t care that Mitch was dead weight. He didn’t care he wasn’t the one running practices.
Yes last year we made it to the play-in game and lost. It was the first time in four years we had post season play. It was the first time in four years we had a overall winning record. We still hadn’t achieved a winning BE record in four years. We had one player signed for this year who would have left when Matt left.
Unless we brought in Pitino we were going to be terrible this year with Anderson, Mullin or whoever else they were considering for the job. That’s why he deserved to be let go, we were going to be terrible this year, mainly because it was clear he didn’t know how to tuna program.
Because he didn’t try.You mean he was such a great coach that he makes it to the tournament without even trying? That is remarkable.
Why don’t you make the same excuse for Anderson?Because I've never posted even one negative thing about him in my life. I don't need to make excuses for him because I've never put him down or complained about his coaching.
Patrick didn't make the tournament in either of his first two seasons and won't make it again this season. If he doesn't make it again next season, and he won't, that'll be one coach not as good as coach Mullin. I hope CFC won't be another one.I starting to believe that you really believe the non sense that you post.
building a European pipeline.
I've been getting the feeling lately that Anderson doesn't have much of an interest in moving forward with the guys he didn't bring in here. I hope Roberts and Earlington stay as they clearly have much higher upside than Anderson guy Sears but Roberts lack of PT lately is puzzling and a bad sign.
If we're entering the offseason with just Anderson's guys plus Earlington then we're at looking at 4 spots to fill. Anderson is gonna need to pull a rabbit out of his hat or we're looking at 9th or 10th place again next year.
You mean he was such a great coach that he makes it to the tournament without even trying? That is remarkable.20-59 with 40 plus knockouts will be remembered. Losing a game on true tv the day before the tournament isn’t that important. Just another beat down
It certainly looks like he's coaching for, well not next year, we're going toThis can’t be serious?stinkbe rebuilding again next year, but maybe the year after. It also looks like he's trying to give various players reasons to leave, which is a little unseemly. These are after all student athletes who committed to the university on the theory that it would mold them into admirable young men with skills for life. You'd think it didn't matter who recruited them, but it seems to. If so, very classy.
Curbelo was going to be a Johnny. He was at plenty of our games.
Femi wanted a guaranteed startng spot.
Simon was DPOY in the BE so obviously he had talent. You could suck on offense and still be talented, el dopeo! Surely the roster was more talented than a 7th place, below .500 conference finish in a weak Big East. But don't let facts get in the way.
You are fixated on 7th place in the Big East because you are too simple to weigh the season as a whole and then compare to the rest of the conference.
Luckily there was a committee who did that for you. They deemed St. John’s worthy of entry into the field of 68. They only deemed FOUR teams from the conference worthy, and we were one. That should end the conversation for anyone with a triple-digit IQ.
Reaching the tournament is quite an achievement at St. John’s this century.
Anderson would have won 3-4 games with last year’s roster.
Don't forget to mention that SJU was the last team from the Big East, and team #68 selected into the tourney, in a weak conference year that didn't even have one team survive the first weekend of the dance. But keep stretching to support your woefully weak argument.
Mullin refused to play ball with several demands from recruits and players. That is one of the reasons successful guys, especially those with morals, have a hard time cutting it against some of these sleaze ball coaches that dot the college basketball landscape.Successful guys? He didn’t even contact one of the best players in the area in curbello. And he didn’t even show up to on campus meeting with femi.
I starting to believe that you really believe the non sense that you post.I'll just throw it out there to the board because we've already established that you're incapable of understanding the very simple points I make.
I'll just throw it out there to the board because we've already established that you're incapable of understanding the very simple points I make.
After this year Ewing will be 0 for 3 in tournament bids. Next year he'll be 0 for 4. Mullin went 1 for 4. Therefore, it's easily deduced that he's a better coach than Ewing.
Similarly, Mullins 1 for 4 is better than Norm's 0 for 6. Yet, you believe Norm >> Mullin with your twisted no logic.
40 plus knockouts will be remembered.You do realize that the sport you've been watching all these years is not boxing but basketball, don't you. Losing by 1 is the same as losing by 40 if you're not betting on the games. Actually, even if you think you've been watching boxing - losing on points or by TKO is the same as on a knockout if your not betting on the games.
Losing a game on true tv the day before the tournament isn’t that important.That's not true(tv). It wasn't important only to you, and the other traitors, because your twisted hatred of our hero made it so. To fans of perennial losing basketball programs everywhere, like St. John's, it's very important. A virtual measuring stick of a successful season.
You do realize that the sport you've been watching all these years is not boxing but basketball, don't you. Losing by 1 is the same as losing by 40 if you're not betting on the games. Actually, even if you think you've been watching boxing - losing on points or by TKO is the same as on a knockout if your not betting on the games. That's not true(tv). It wasn't important only to you, and the other traitors, because your twisted hatred of our hero made it so. To fans of perennial losing basketball programs everywhere, like St. John's, it's very important. A virtual measuring stick of a successful season.Anderson is losing games. He is not embarrassing himself or the school. You can’t say that about your boy. Even though you have tried over and over again.
Don’t respond to that nitwit. He just questioned whether Mullin was successful when he was hired.You are getting old. You have told us many times that you are not a pussy. But you are not built like Mustapha heron any more. (You probably never were).
A gym teacher who posts on a sports fan site during class just questioned whether a two-time NBA Hall of Fame inductee was successful😂
You do realize that the sport you've been watching all these years is not boxing but basketball, don't you. Losing by 1 is the same as losing by 40 if you're not betting on the games. Actually, even if you think you've been watching boxing - losing on points or by TKO is the same as on a knockout if your not betting on the games. That's not true(tv). It wasn't important only to you, and the other traitors, because your twisted hatred of our hero made it so. To fans of perennial losing basketball programs everywhere, like St. John's, it's very important. A virtual measuring stick of a successful season.So you would rather attend a game and watch your team play like shit and lose by 40 than to watch them play competitively and lose by one. OK
This can’t be serious?
Hot Dog Day Afternoon
Act II Scene 2
<A middle aged balding man dressed Chinese knock off velour track suit and a white polo shirt tucked in so it hugs his love handles sits in front of the remains of his meal: a Dave’s Hot n Juicy 3/4 pound Triple with Cheese, Bacon & Cheese Baked Potato and a large chocolate Frosty. Around his neck is a whistle on a string. The man dabs at a ketchup stain on his shirt with a paper napkin, shrugs, wipes his mouth with his sleeve, retrieves his phone from his sweat pants pocket and dials.>
Hi Ma.
Tony? Is it Tony? Hi hon. Where are you? It's loud.
Wendy's ma. Just had lunch.
Wendy's? What about your diet?
It's okay ma, Tuesday's my cheat day. Plus I just had a salad anyway.
I'm so proud of you hon ... Tony, if you're calling about your laundry I haven't done it yet. I worked a double at the King Kullen today and my dogs are barking. I'll do it in the morning.
That's okay ma, take your time. No worries. Hey ma, remember my friend foady?
Yes hon of course I remember your friend foady, you mention him every time you call ... Tony I have to ask you a question and you have to tell mommy the truth no matter what. Promise?
Sure ma, what is it?
Tony, this foady, is he your boyfriend?
What? Ma. No.
Because it's okay if he is.
Ma I -
No Tony, you let mommy finish. You talk about this foady all the time and you always mention his privates and his bottom. You haven't had a girlfriend in I don't know how long. You spend every day with half naked sweaty teenage boys and I know what teenage boys are like, I had two. Between you and your brother there wasn't a clean sock in the house. And then there was when you was an altar boy with that awful Father Bruttiboni, the one who went to jail like that gym teacher Mister Sandusky. If you're funny Tony, you tell mommy now.
Come on ma. Look. In the first place it's physical education teacher, not gym teacher, okay? In the second place nothing happened that time with Father Bruttiboni in the rectory basement, I told the police that, he just fell on top of me during vespers and we got all tangled up and then Sister Struffoli walked in and found us. I don't have a girlfriend because I don't have time. Like the other night I had to watch parts of twelve college basketball games to learn enough so that someday I can get a coveted jay vee coaching position. So I don't have time for girls. And I don't want to watch teen age boys shower and make sure they soap up their tight glistening torsos and clean their taints ma, I have to. It's my job. I mean ma, I love being a physical education teacher. I love it all. Dodge ball. Floor hockey. Greco Roman wrestling. The feeling I get when I put Butch in my mouth and blow -
Tony! My god!
Ma, Butch is what I call my favorite whistle, after my childhood idol Butch Carter. Ma, when I put Butch in my mouth and blow and everyone stops what they're doing and looks at me, it's like magical! It's the best feeling ever. Not to mention I get summer's off so I can go to the beach. That's why I'm dieting, so that next summer I can take my shirt off when I go to Fire Island.
Okay Tony okay. Enough already. Maybe stop protesting so much. I just wanted you to know that your father and I discussed it and if you ever have anything you want to get off your chest you can come to us whatever it is and we'll still love you. So tell mommy what's up with your friend foady anyway.
Oh nothing ma, sometimes he just acts so superior because he knows how to spell words used in nursery rhymes and what parts of speeches are called and how to use questioning marks and ejaculation points. Just because I dont have enough words to make peoples understands me the way they understands his doesn't mean I don't know things he doesn't know I knows. But he treats me a like a mamaluke. And I'm not! I'm smart! Not like everybody says, like dumb. I'm smart and I want respect!
Now Tony stop, don't get overheated. You have a temper like your father. Maybe you should forget this foady and find someone else to play with.
Maybe I will ma. Say how's pop anyway.
Madonna mia! your father's gonna be the death of me. The other day I made a beautiful chicken picatta before my shift at the King Kullen and I told your father I said Petey, put it in the oven on bake 45 minutes before dinner and he said yeah yeah yeah. Well he must have been distracted watching that tramp Bret Somer on Ten Thousand Dollar Pyramid because he put the chicken in the oven all right but he forgot to turn the oven on and he ended up eating the chicken raw! Two helpings! Now he has the squirts something awful. Back and forth to the toilet for three days now. You should say hi, I'll call him.
I can't now ma, I have to get back to school. I'll talk to him Saturday when I pick up my laundry. Do you think it'll be done by then? I only have a couple pair of clean underwears left.
I don't know if you'll have too many more clean pair when I'm done, for the life of me I can't get these stains out. You need to do a better job when you wipe hon.
I'm careful ma, I am, it's just that sometimes when I'm on the train it's swaying and there's all those stops and starts and I get jostled around. It's hard to do a good job.
Okay hon okay don't get exercised. I'll presoak them in bleach and Oxy 10, that's how I do your fathers.
Okay ma, I gotta run, love you. Say hi to poop for me. Did I say poop? I meant pop obviously.
Okay Tony, love you, bye.
Bye.
<and scene>
Hot Dog Day Afternoon
Act II Scene 2
<A middle aged balding man dressed Chinese knock off velour track suit and a white polo shirt tucked in so it hugs his love handles sits in front of the remains of his meal: a Dave’s Hot n Juicy 3/4 pound Triple with Cheese, Bacon & Cheese Baked Potato and a large chocolate Frosty. Around his neck is a whistle on a string. The man dabs at a ketchup stain on his shirt with a paper napkin, shrugs, wipes his mouth with his sleeve, retrieves his phone from his sweat pants pocket and dials.>
Hi Ma.
Tony? Is it Tony? Hi hon. Where are you? It's loud.
Wendy's ma. Just had lunch.
Wendy's? What about your diet?
It's okay ma, Tuesday's my cheat day. Plus I just had a salad anyway.
I'm so proud of you hon ... Tony, if you're calling about your laundry I haven't done it yet. I worked a double at the King Kullen today and my dogs are barking. I'll do it in the morning.
That's okay ma, take your time. No worries. Hey ma, remember my friend foady?
Yes hon of course I remember your friend foady, you mention him every time you call ... Tony I have to ask you a question and you have to tell mommy the truth no matter what. Promise?
Sure ma, what is it?
Tony, this foady, is he your boyfriend?
What? Ma. No.
Because it's okay if he is.
Ma I -
No Tony, you let mommy finish. You talk about this foady all the time and you always mention his privates and his bottom. You haven't had a girlfriend in I don't know how long. You spend every day with half naked sweaty teenage boys and I know what teenage boys are like, I had two. Between you and your brother there wasn't a clean sock in the house. And then there was when you was an altar boy with that awful Father Bruttiboni, the one who went to jail like that gym teacher Mister Sandusky. If you're funny Tony, you tell mommy now.
Come on ma. Look. In the first place it's physical education teacher, not gym teacher, okay? In the second place nothing happened that time with Father Bruttiboni in the rectory basement, I told the police that, he just fell on top of me during vespers and we got all tangled up and then Sister Struffoli walked in and found us. I don't have a girlfriend because I don't have time. Like the other night I had to watch parts of twelve college basketball games to learn enough so that someday I can get a coveted jay vee coaching position. So I don't have time for girls. And I don't want to watch teen age boys shower and make sure they soap up their tight glistening torsos and clean their taints ma, I have to. It's my job. I mean ma, I love being a physical education teacher. I love it all. Dodge ball. Floor hockey. Greco Roman wrestling. The feeling I get when I put Butch in my mouth and blow -
Tony! My god!
Ma, Butch is what I call my favorite whistle, after my childhood idol Butch Carter. Ma, when I put Butch in my mouth and blow and everyone stops what they're doing and looks at me, it's like magical! It's the best feeling ever. Not to mention I get summer's off so I can go to the beach. That's why I'm dieting, so that next summer I can take my shirt off when I go to Fire Island.
Okay Tony okay. Enough already. Maybe stop protesting so much. I just wanted you to know that your father and I discussed it and if you ever have anything you want to get off your chest you can come to us whatever it is and we'll still love you. So tell mommy what's up with your friend foady anyway.
Oh nothing ma, sometimes he just acts so superior because he knows how to spell words used in nursery rhymes and what parts of speeches are called and how to use questioning marks and ejaculation points. Just because I dont have enough words to make peoples understands me the way they understands his doesn't mean I don't know things he doesn't know I knows. But he treats me a like a mamaluke. And I'm not! I'm smart! Not like everybody says, like dumb. I'm smart and I want respect!
Now Tony stop, don't get overheated. You have a temper like your father. Maybe you should forget this foady and find someone else to play with.
Maybe I will ma. Say how's pop anyway.
Madonna mia! your father's gonna be the death of me. The other day I made a beautiful chicken picatta before my shift at the King Kullen and I told your father I said Petey, put it in the oven on bake 45 minutes before dinner and he said yeah yeah yeah. Well he must have been distracted watching that tramp Bret Somer on Ten Thousand Dollar Pyramid because he put the chicken in the oven all right but he forgot to turn the oven on and he ended up eating the chicken raw! Two helpings! Now he has the squirts something awful. Back and forth to the toilet for three days now. You should say hi, I'll call him.
I can't now ma, I have to get back to school. I'll talk to him Saturday when I pick up my laundry. Do you think it'll be done by then? I only have a couple pair of clean underwears left.
I don't know if you'll have too many more clean pair when I'm done, for the life of me I can't get these stains out. You need to do a better job when you wipe hon.
I'm careful ma, I am, it's just that sometimes when I'm on the train it's swaying and there's all those stops and starts and I get jostled around. It's hard to do a good job.
Okay hon okay don't get exercised. I'll presoak them in bleach and Oxy 10, that's how I do your fathers.
Okay ma, I gotta run, love you. Say hi to poop for me. Did I say poop? I meant pop obviously.
Okay Tony, love you, bye.
Bye.
<and scene>
#40KOsRead your last two posts and I'm the one with the poor sense of humor? Also Musslehead whom you deify as a coach is 4-6 in the league (Arkansas/SEC) and is down right now at 13-10 Tennessee by 17 in the second half.
Don’t respond to that nitwit. He just questioned whether Mullin was successful when he was hired.
A gym teacher who posts on a sports fan site during class just questioned whether a two-time NBA Hall of Fame inductee was successful😂
So you would rather attend a game and watch your team play like shit and lose by 40 than to watch them play competitively and lose by one. OKNo. Don't put words in my mouth.
No. Don't put words in my mouth.First of all they do to my knowledge differentiate between wins of less than 10 vs more than 10 but to me I really don't give a load about that stuff. As far as I'm concerned they can take their Quad whatever and shove it. I'm talking about wanting your team to be and play as good and as well as possible at all times be it in a win or a loss so my point was I'd rather be competitive and lose by one than get blown out and lose by 40. When they announce the field for the NCAA I accept it I really don't give a rat's patootie about the metrics used to arrive at THEIR decision since I have no control over it.
If I'm attending a game live I'm obviously there to be entertained. I know that close games are more entertaining then blowouts. But when it comes to pre and post season tournament advancement, losing by 1 is the same as losing by 40. When pundits are punditing about post season tournament berths, they speak of quality wins and quality losses. Not quality losses or wins by 1 or 40. When the tournament committee looks at quad 1, 2 etc. wins and losses, they are not looking at quad wins or losses by 1 or 40.
Make sense?
First of all they do to my knowledge differentiate between wins of less than 10 vs more than 10I did not know that. If so, I change my position to there's no difference between wins or losses of 10 or 40.
In other news...the great Eric Musselman, having inherited the SEC leading scorer, has opened up conference play to an outstanding 4-7 record.
Spot on.Got home late last night and this is what I found. Foady is an old guy just trying to participate. Don’t know why he is here. He doesn’t seem to like St. John’s basketball. I read a bit of his story. The whistle part was a funny.
The pressure of hiding his true sexuality from his family must be unbearable if he needs to come here and drop so many breadcrumbs for posters to follow.
The over/under on trannies he’s been with is 40. I’ll take the over on that bet, but I have a feeling he prefers the under in those rendezvous. #powerbottom
https://twitter.com/LuHiBasketball/status/1228352805842378755I retweeted that!
https://twitter.com/LuHiBasketball/status/1228352805842378755
Wait, but according to Crackerllac, Musselman is an elite coach. Between Mullin and Musselman they sure have a funny definition of elite. At least have a winning conference record just once.
Give Marillac a break...At times he speaks without thinking and makes outlandish comments that are not well thought out....with that said, I do think he wants what is best for Johnnies. He just has an awkward approach....
Wait, but according to Crackerllac, Musselman is an elite coach. Between Mullin and Musselman they sure have a funny definition of elite. At least have a winning conference record just once.
Agreed. You just can't unteach stupid.
Don’t let that stop you from trying babe.
But you loser. You think you made me cry?
I was crying laughing
You make so many great points on this board and you are one of the few that I really enjoy reading...why not take the hit on the chin, get up and just admit that some of your posts (musselman being a savior) were a bit premature...at least will save you some dignity...
I never said Musselman was a savior. I said he was better than Anderson and was a tremendous hire.
Arkansas was 15-5 before Isaiah Joe, a likely first round pick, got hurt. They’ve lost 5 straight without him. I think that tells you all you need to know about what he means to that team.
Cmon man....he is a stud and def hurt the team in in terms of wins and losses, but on this site we talk facts and the fact is Arkansas is about as bad as St. John’s right now....and you right, you didn’t call him the savior, my bad and my apologies for miss quoting you..
I never said Musselman was a savior. I said he was better than Anderson and was a tremendous hire.
lol would you rather he put exactly what you said?
Savior is a very strong word and a program like Arkansas doesn’t need a savior. Musselman is twice the coach Anderson is but I could see him leaving for greener pastures.And Mullin is a broken down tricycle.
In terms of cars, he’s not a Bentley but maybe a Mercedes. Anderson is a Toyota.
And Mullin is a broken down tricycle.
Why do you harbor such animosity towards Chris Mullin? Let it go.
And Mullin is a broken down tricycle.
It’s not Anderson’s fault Mullin was let go. The over the top criticism he has received thus far is causing this especially since there was little to no criticism made towards the previous regime when they deserved it.
The over the top criticism he has received thus far is causing this especially since there was little to no criticism made towards the previous regime when they deserved it.
You realize the criticism comes because idiots like you can’t help yourselves from heaping unreasonable praise on him while sh*tting on Mullin, right?
Not one poster would pushback on the notion that he is as good of a coach as we can get in 2019-2020 or that he is an improvement over Mullin. Not one goddamn poster. But that’s not enough for you simpletons.
No, you have to make Anderson out to be some bulletproof savior and post things like “night and day from Mullin,” “thank God for Anderson,” and “it’s amazing what a good coach can do [with a poor roster].”
How could you not see what was going to happen? At our highest point I said we would still finish in last place “unless DePaul shits the bed.”
This isn’t Missouri or Arkansas. Those are borderline blue bloods. He doesn’t have anymore nephews coming to help him. This is a graveyard for coaches. Lavin and Jarvis made Elite Eights and had a combined 7 Sweet Sixteen appearances and they couldn’t survive here.
Why do you harbor such animosity towards Chris Mullin? Let it go.Sorry Dave just messing with nice persons. It’s not me who should let anything go. We finally have a coach. We are on the right track. A complete rebuild is annoying at times. We are all tired of losing. One Wednesday night on true TV isn’t enough for some us.
In what #$%^ing world is Missouri a blue blood or close to being one? :2funny: Just stop there before you embarrass yourself further.I hope he cries again!
Sorry Dave just messing with nice persons. It’s not me who should let anything go. We finally have a coach. We are on the right track. A complete rebuild is annoying at times. We are all tired of losing. One Wednesday night on true TV isn’t enough for some us.
9 years ago yesterday was the hardy game. That’s where are program can be. You guys should go over to YouTube and take a look.
In what #$%^ing world is Missouri a blue blood or close to being one? :2funny: Just stop there before you embarrass yourself further.
This isn't a complete rebuild at all. Keep telling yourself that though to justify things.What happened 5 years ago was a SELF imposed death sentence. For the 5000th time that never should have happened.
This isn't a complete rebuild at all. Keep telling yourself that though to justify things.
What happened 5 years ago was a SELF imposed death sentence. For the 5000th time that never should have happened.
Honestly not sure what else to say to you. It’s obvious that this team has little to no talent. Besides LJ do any of our players start for another big east team?
Um, see Carmine.
Not one poster would pushback on the notion that he is as good of a coach as we can get in 2019-2020 or that he is an improvement over Mullin. Not one goddamn poster. But that’s not enough for you simpletons.
Bielin is looking for a job
Heron was a 5* top 25 recruit that led both a mediocre team and a 26-win team in scoring on his way to being named second team all-conference twice. He’s the most accomplished returning player we’ve had in decades. The coaches in the league thought enough of him to collectively vote him one of the best 12 players in the conference.
Heron was a 5* top 25 recruit that led both a mediocre team and a 26-win team in scoring on his way to being named second team all-conference twice. He’s the most accomplished returning player we’ve had in decades. The coaches in the league thought enough of him to collectively vote him one of the best 12 players in the conference.And he will never play again for St. John’s, so your point is? By the way he doesn’t look miserable at all. He is very much into the game. Even though he didn’t have a great season. He proved to be a great kid.
You realize the criticism comes because idiots like you can’t help yourselves from heaping unreasonable praise on him while sh*tting on Mullin
No, you have to make Anderson out to be some bulletproof savior and post things like “night and day from Mullin,” “thank God for Anderson,” and “it’s amazing what a good coach can do [with a poor roster].”
That is clear to all but the four horsemen of stupidity. Tony D doesn’t know the difference between site and cite. Johnny23 and SJUFan can’t know how to use contractions. The fourth has privately acknowledged his mental disability and asked that I go easy on him.
The common denominator among the most ardent Anderson supporters is a clear lack of intelligence. It would be quite sad if they weren’t so easy to dislike.
How is saying night and day or thank god for Anderson unreasonable praise or bulletproof?
You and your crew post ten times a day with the same two themes: Anderson is great and Mullin sucks.
You’ve been walking back your early claims out of necessity after this gross conference performance, but you still won’t admit you were wrong in any way shape or form. You are like Donald Trump. You have a hundred posts about how great his offense is! He’s damn near ‘tarded in the half court on offense and everyone but the four of you can see it—even his other supporters concede to this.
Like I wrote earlier, the four of you are the reason why every poster that knocks Anderson so vigorously does so. That is why I accused you of hating Anderson. It’s the only thing that makes sense.
You keep saying I’ve been walking back on earlier claims. Your confusing me with others. I made no predictions. I’ve always believed this roster was poor and never once stated where we’ll finish by seasons end. In fact I agreed with you when you stated we may still finish last after the Arizona win, and I posted such. The only thing I said that came remotely close to making a prediction was stating that if both Heron and LJ play well we could surprise this year. But I had my doubts as I’m not as high on LJ and Heron as many of you. They’re good role players but can’t carry a team. Their skill set is too limited.
You are the most prolific troll on either site...there is no confusing you. Several times I have quoted you and even provided links on occassion. It does nothing to slow down your stupidity.
If you hate Anderson with a passion then well played. Seriously. Your posts have been so insufferable that you’ve forced several posters to attack him. E.g., I think he’ll make the tournament next year and your posts force me to be negative towards him.
Um, see Carmine.You rang.
You keep saying I’ve been walking back on earlier claims. Your confusing me with others. I made no predictions. I’ve always believed this roster was poor and never once stated where we’ll finish by seasons end. In fact I agreed with you when you stated we may still finish last after the Arizona win, and I posted such. The only thing I said that came remotely close to making a prediction was stating that if both Heron and LJ play well we could surprise this year. But I had my doubts as I’m not as high on LJ and Heron as many of you. They’re good role players but can’t carry a team. Their skill set is too limited.
Thanks for the homework assignment. Your 100 posts a week are in two topics. You could not post for a year and not one person would wonder what your opinion would be on anything.
Heron is as proven and as accomplished of a player as we’ve had in decades. To blame him instead of a coach that can’t utilize his abilities is absurd. What about not blaming anyone and just acknowledging that he isn’t a good fit? Is that so hard? Our second best player is playing poorly too. That is called supporting evidence. Everyone wanted LJ after last season. He could play at any school in the country.
Arkansas fans told us he didn’t know how to use Daniel Gafford, the #38 pick in the 2019 NBA Draft, well last year either. It seems to be a pattern. The converse also seems to be true, though. He can get production from lesser players.
Concede that Anderson struggles in the half court right now or nobody will ever take you seriously.
Any objective measurement would support that statement.Wins are objective and can be measured:
Last years team was deeper.Oh brother. Last years team had Bryan Trimble as a 6th man and no 7th man. Some depth.
How is saying night and day or thank god for Anderson unreasonable praise or means he’s bulletproof?
The problem is you believe Mullin was a average coach with the potential to be good. So saying Anderson is better must mean he’s great and anything short of that is open to ridicule. The truth is Anderson is a good coach, Mullin was terrible. Any objective measurement would support that statement.
So yes Anderson picking up his 2nd victory over a top 25 team in his first season prior to conference play with the worst roster in the BE is what good coaching looks like. Especially when comparing it to Mullin who didn’t pick up his 2nd victory against a top 25 team until his 3rd season.
It doesn’t mean Anderson can walk on water, it just means we are better off regardless of how this season has turned out. Let’s judge Anderson after his 3rd season.
I love how you say that the win over a top 25 team in Arizona is because of Anderson, but when they blow leads to Seton Hall, Xavier, and others down the stretch of the game its on on the players because they don't have much talent. I just do not get it.
Wins are objective and can be measured:
1st season 8-24
2nd season 14-19
3rd season 16-17
4th season 21-13*
*Ncaa tournament bid
Take note of the upward trajectory and the * footnote.
Oh brother. Last years team had Bryan Trimble as a 6th man and no 7th man. Some depth.Take note of 2 last places out of 3. 3 of the worst seasons in school history. Take note of multiple players every year running away from coach mugggggglws. And take note of our amazing special season where our hero against all curses, and where coaches end up in graves took us to the night before the tournament. It was a 7th place magical season that will be remembered forever. I for one can’t understand why mullin was shit canned after it. Their was clear upward trajectory.
I love how you say that the win over a top 25 team in Arizona is because of Anderson, but when they blow leads to Seton Hall, Xavier, and others down the stretch of the game its on on the players because they don't have much talent. I just do not get it.I don’t understand what you don’t get. I was screaming at my TV against Arizona and was thrilled that we got the win. It was obvious that they had better players. 2/3 will be first round picks.
Oh brother. Last years team had Bryan Trimble as a 6th man and no 7th man. Some depth.You could make an argument they also had Roberts and Earlington, but they weren’t given enough preseason minutes against patsies to develop.
You could make an argument they also had Roberts and Earlington, but they weren’t given enough preseason minutes against patsies to develop.Yes you could.
You could make an argument they also had Roberts and Earlington, but they weren’t given enough preseason minutes against patsies to develop.
Yes you could.
Or you could make the argument that these freshmen just weren't ready as Duke didn't know the difference between a field goal and a pick and roll at that point and Dr. Roberts weighed less than me and I'm way, way short of 6'. Additionally, you could argue that the patient way they were allowed to develop last season has led to the nothing short of a revelation that Earlington has been this season.
'I for one can’t understand why mullin was shit canned after it. Their was clear upward trajectory.I knew that you were a reasonable man and that I could bring you around using patience, facts and logic.
I admit I was a little nervous at first, He seemed much better.
Year 4 - Clear upward trajectory.'
Wins are objective and can be measured:
1st season 8-24
2nd season 14-19
3rd season 16-17
4th season 21-13*
*Ncaa tournament bid
Take note of the upward trajectory and the * footnote.
I love how you say that the win over a top 25 team in Arizona is because of Anderson, but when they blow leads to Seton Hall, Xavier, and others down the stretch of the game its on on the players because they don't have much talent. I just do not get it.
Bottom line is we were deeper last year.
In what universe is a overall record of 59-73 (20-52 BE record) not terrible?
Take note of the 3rd season. 16-17 (4-14) with 3 NBA players in the starting lineup and we couldn’t muster a .500 record or qualify for the NIT. How is that not anything less than terrible? You believe that was a good season because we improved over the previous year?
Not argue, they did. Roberts, Earlington, Williams, and 4* big Keita.Keita was unplayably bad last season and you know it.
Bottom line is we were deeper last year."There are none so blind than those that will not see".
Keita was unplayably bad last season and you know it.And you me boy gave him 2 years of scholarship. Hysterical! You think you are arguing in favor of mullin.
Would you have fired Kevin Willard after 4 seasons? 66-65Kevin Williard was working his ass off. Those guys get a little more leeway. He is also competent. Not the same thing.
After 5 seasons 82-80?
You're delusional.
And you me boy gave him 2 years of scholarship. Hysterical! You think you are arguing in favor of mullin.I'm not arguing for Chris and against CFC - I'm stating facts. You've admitted that you are unable to comprehend my very simple points. Let's leave it at that.
I'm not arguing for Chris and against CFC - I'm stating facts. You've admitted that you are unable to comprehend my very simple points. Let's leave it at that.Keita sucked and he is a terrible person. And your boy gave him 2 years of scholarship. A normal person would see that as a red flag against the coach. Not you. Just more bad luck for coach mullin.
Would you have fired Kevin Willard after 4 seasons? 66-65
After 5 seasons 82-80?
Keita was unplayably bad last season and you know it.
In what universe is a overall record of 59-73 (20-52 BE record) not terrible?In no universe. It's an awful record for St. Johns.
He’s a big body who can bang down low and run the floor. He wasn’t afraid of contact. He played over Roberts for a reason.He had no positive attributes. Unplayable.
Roberts was third string last year, this year he’s our starter. It’s not because he’s improved so much year over year.
You postulate that SJU was "deeper last year" than this. Last year SJU played five guys 30 plus minutes a game. The sixth most minutes went to Mikey Dixon, who left mid year, and the seventh to Brian Trimble. Your proof that last year's team had more depth than this is that Josh Roberts, who played six minutes a game last year starts on this years team and plays nearly 20 minutes a game among eight players who play more than 15 minutes a game and nine who play double figure minutes.Hey I like that. Go right to a comparison of minutes played as proof of depth. Who could argue with that?
I'd say I don't like to call people stupid but that woud be a lie. I love to call people names, especially people who oblige me by demonstrating how appropriate the names I call tham are. Like you've just done.
He played over Roberts for a reason.
Yes you could.You second argument has some validity. The problem was we had no depth . I believe the players were worn out by the end of the year playing so many minutes. That is why we tanked at the end of the season.
Or you could make the argument that these freshmen just weren't ready as Duke didn't know the difference between a field goal and a pick and roll at that point and Dr. Roberts weighed less than me and I'm way, way short of 6'. Additionally, you could argue that the patient way they were allowed to develop last season has led to the nothing short of a revelation that Earlington has been this season.
You second argument has some validity. The problem was we had no depth . I believe the players were worn out by the end of the year playing so many minutes. That is why we tanked at the end of the season.There's no question we had no depth. Ridiculous posts immediately proceeding this to the contrary aside. You could be right.
The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round, the wheels on the bus go round and round, so early in the morning. Carry on on your fools errand. Anybody ever going to learn everyone is entrenched in their positions and further arguing is both futile and redundant? ::)It reminds me of today's political landscape.
Hey I like that. Go right to a comparison of minutes played as proof of depth. Who could argue with that?
In no universe. It's an awful record for St. Johns.
Yet following down that path, what incentive, other than money of course, would there be for any coach to accept a complete rebuild/overhaul only to be criticized eventually on your overall record when the reality is there was absolutely no chance in hell to have anything but a horrendous record your first two seasons?
Would this be the same Roberts who just two posts ago you cited as proof of why SJ had such great depth last year? Or was that another Roberts you were referring to? Julia Roberts maybe? Doris? Oral? Pernell? They were all such great ball players. Do tell.
Yes you could.
Or you could make the argument that these freshmen just weren't ready as Duke didn't know the difference between a field goal and a pick and roll at that point and Dr. Roberts weighed less than me and I'm way, way short of 6'. Additionally, you could argue that the patient way they were allowed to develop last season has led to the nothing short of a revelation that Earlington has been this season.
He didn’t inherit a complete rebuild. He created one. He inherited a team coming off back to back 20 win seasons and a NCAA tournament apearance. Two top 100 kids signed. Most coaches would have excelled in that situation. Open ships, opportunity to bring in their own players. Mullin going 4-14 in year 3 with 3 NBA players in the starting line up. If Anderson does that fire him immediately.
This is complete utter nonsense. He didn't inherit two top 100 kids. Those kids hadn't even stepped one foot on campus yet. Samir wasn't top 100 either. Those kids commited to Steve Lavin period. Rysheed had stopped going to class and wasn't going to be eligble. When he decided he wanted to come play for Mullin it was too late.
How has Anderson excelled with open schollies? He filled them with McGriff, Sears,Rutherford, and Champiagne (who looks like he will be ok). He hasn't brought in a top 100 kid yet.
Wins are objective and can be measured:
1st season 8-24
2nd season 14-19
3rd season 16-17
4th season 21-13*
*Ncaa tournament bid
Take note of the upward trajectory and the * footnote.
It's somewhat surprising that the traitors are not appreciative of the upward trajectory that Mullin's coaching career exemplified as it's exactly the same one followed by two semi-recent fan favorite player classes:Norm Roberts didn’t have a chance. He was unable to compete. The other teams were that much better. I was around during his days. From memory he wasn’t constantly bashed. It was understood he was in over his head. Maybe in the early years people stuck up for him. By the end their was no debate. Lavin’s 1st year was amazing. He proved that you can win here.
The Paris Horne class was hammered unmercifully on this board for three years until they finally broke through in their senior season with an opening game Ncaa tournament loss. Now Hilton, DJ, JB1, Malik2, Evans et all are remembered fondly due solely to their final season.
The Phil Greene class met the same derogatory treatment here for three years until they finally broke through in their senior season with an opening game Ncaa tournament loss.
Now the Rectangle, 3'lo and Sir Dom are widely revered.
Why did the most important figure in the history of the program not get justified recognition and appreciation from some for the same departing triumph?
I was referring to Jordan and CO. Jordan never went to class. Didn’t stop him from being eligible before. Mullin didn’t care for the drama and didn’t want to babysit. That’s his choice. He could have had Jordan and CO if he wanted them.Obekpa had just committed the cardinal sin of getting suspended from an Ncaa tournament bid for smoking the ganj and Jordan was in federal prison on felony charges a short while after. You think it would have been easy to keep these two on the roster?
You’ll see next year how Anderson has done.
Obekpa had just committed the cardinal sin of getting suspended from an Ncaa tournament bid for smoking the ganj and Jordan was in federal prison on felony charges a short while after. You think it would have been easy to keep these two on the roster?
News flash: Mullin found to be responsible for climate change. Story at 11.
This thread is like Groundhog DayHow can you say that?
Again he was left with two top 100 players, one being the highest rated player the school got in a very long time. He could have had them on the team IF he wanted them. It would have required a hands on approach. He didn’t want to do that fine that’s his choice. The roster he ended up with was HIS doing. He continued to reap the benefits of Lavin’s recruiting after Lavin left. That is not a program needing to be rebuilt. Who are the players that Mullin and company had real interest in the school? Mack? The program was on life support and Anderson is being tasked with bringing it out of comatose.When coaching changes are made - roster change typically accompanies it. While CFC deserves credit for retaining most of the talent from the previous regime - Mullin doesn't deserve blame for not being able to keep all of them. It's an unpredictably dicey situation in general made dicier by a player facing suspension/disciplinary action for smoking cheeba and a player who had ceased going to class, was driving to Philly constantly and was a hop skip and a jump from the penitentiary.
No he is just the worst coach in sports history. I think that’s enough
I love Mullin and always will so you won’t get the piling on from me.
But I see progress this year with the limited roster. If we pulled out Gtown and X the narrative is different. I’m pleased with the development of certain kids and attribute that to Anderson and the staff.
There are no moral victories but losing many close games is better than the number of absolute blowouts we saw too often in the past.
I think once Anderson increases the talent level, maintains stability/continuity and brings in more kids to fit his system, we are going to be a solid perennial program again. It’s up to them to recruit smart and well enough to make that happen.
I love Mullin and always will so you won’t get the piling on from me.
But I see progress this year with the limited roster. If we pulled out Gtown and X the narrative is different. I’m pleased with the development of certain kids and attribute that to Anderson and the staff.
There are no moral victories but losing many close games is better than the number of absolute blowouts we saw too often in the past.
I think once Anderson increases the talent level, maintains stability/continuity and brings in more kids to fit his system, we are going to be a solid perennial program again. It’s up to them to recruit smart and well enough to make that happen.
As to whether his system plays in the BE, doesn’t that depend on the types of kids we get. An upgrade at the PG slot for late game stability, even minor, and/or another kid that can score a bit more on the wing/guard slot probably gives us a few more W’s in BE play minimum. His system has caused problems for many in-conference opponents, it’s just a matter of having a more balanced team with another playmaker or two (even not of any significant level) to close out those games.
As to whether his system plays in the BE, doesn’t that depend on the types of kids we get. An upgrade at the PG slot for late game stability, even minor, and/or another kid that can score a bit more on the wing/guard slot probably gives us a few more W’s in BE play minimum. His system has caused problems for many in-conference opponents, it’s just a matter of having a more balanced team with another playmaker or two (even not of any significant level) to close out those games.
It's takes like this I just don't get. I'm not saying he was the best but he was improving. St. John's is far from a juggernaut either. What did you expect within 4 years?You asked me why I hate him. I just told you. If someone just read your post about him they would think he was ok.
There are things that needed to be fixed but imo they were correctable.
Season 1 was a throw away.
Season 2 you saw the building blocks.
Season 3 was disappointing because of Lovett.
Season 4 we danced. Could have been better sure.
Continuity creates stability. We took a step back to try and take 2 steps forward but we might not take one step forward.
Those who say we are not rebuilding have a agenda.Team 1: Jones, Balamou, Alibagovic
News flash: Mullin found to be responsible for climate change. Story at 11.Which one of the traitors said something to the effect of 'just wait and see the havoc CFC's defense plays on some of these lazy ass Be teams'. Was that you?
No he is just the worst coach in sports history. I think that’s enough
Which one of the traitors said something to the effect of 'just wait and see the havoc CFC's defense plays on some of these lazy ass Be teams'. Was that you?I said soft big east teams. No team has ever been lazy except Mullin. This big East is much less soft then the last few.
You asked me why I hate him. I just told you. If someone just read your post about him they would think he was ok.
Year 1- why would I or anyone be ok with a throw away season. We just came off of 5 years of relevance. Only to be awful.
Year 2- building blocks to what? Last place?
Year 3- last Place AGAIN! 0-11 to start the conference.
Year 4- we dance
Year 5- COMPLETE rebuild needed.
I expected way better then 20-59. For the 1000th time more then half of those losses weren’t even competitive. The experiment was an absolute failure.
Do any of you think we finish in 8th or lower if Lavin stayed for another 4 years even 1 time?
The Spelling of his last name is just as childish as Carmine with his CFC for Anderson....if we going to go after one go after Carmine to.
I said soft big east teams. No team has ever been lazy except Mullin. This big East is much less soft then the last few.My bad.
The Spelling of his last name is just as childish as Carmine with his CFC for Anderson....if we going to go after one go after Carmine to.That comparison doesn't fly.
Carmine makes nicknames for every player. It's not singled out. He's not trying to be demeaning using an intentional misspelling of his name.Instead what if I suggested other posters had sex with she males? Would that be more appropriate? What if my name was fxck off and die? What if I called other posters cunts? Coach 4th choice is just as childish as coach Mullin.
It started with Tony intentionally misspelling his name which I autocorrected in the banned words and that triggered him using demeaning word that resembles his name. There has been 12+ words added to ban list due to Tony. It's blatant and intentional
I am de ownwy one being wepwimanded
Speaking of butt hurt.Not butt hurt at all. I think it’s hysterical when you guys get mad. Write another play loser. 60 year old man named himself fxck off and die. Even after all these years it’s hysterical.
Team 1: Jones, Balamou, Alibagovic
Team 2: LJ, Heron, Earlington, Williams, Roberts, Caraher, Steere
Question: Which coach inherited the worst team in the history of St. John's university? An utter, complete and total rebuild! A team Dean Smith couldn't win with.
Which coach inherited a team with far more functional parts in general, and two inarguably high level talents deemed so precocious that they were pre-season 2nd team all-conference selections in particular? One of whom even looked like a star player this very day on the road against the best team in the conference. The games leading scorer against a D solely designed to stop him. Not a rebuild!
question for you Why do I have to have Chris Mullin on this pedestal when I never saw him play once? As a younger generation fan the only Mullin memories I have is how he was an awful Coach. That's my memory. I was not even born when he was playing. Yes he is the schools best player and I will respect that and cheer for him whenever he is back at MSG but he played in the 80's and has ZERO relevance to my St. John's Rooting years.....awesome he was hell of a player a legend at st. johns but he was a AWFUL coach and will be forever linked to that also......Get out of the 80's we are in 2020. We are not talking about playing years we are talking about his Coaching.
Carmine makes nicknames for every player.I just thought of a new one I want to start using for Champagnie.
Nobody forever links Ted Williams to being a mediocre manager, they remember him as the greatest hitter in baseball history.
question for you Why do I have to have Chris Mullin on this pedestal when I never saw him play once? As a younger generation fan the only Mullin memories I have is how he was an awful Coach. That's my memory. I was not even born when he was playing. Yes he is the schools best player and I will respect that and cheer for him whenever he is back at MSG but he played in the 80's and has ZERO relevance to my St. John's Rooting years.....awesome he was hell of a player a legend at st. johns but he was a AWFUL coach and will be forever linked to that also......Get out of the 80's we are in 2020. We are not talking about playing years we are talking about his Coaching.I apologize in advance for climbing a soap box and for the two old guy responses in one day. I saw Doc's screed.
I just thought of a new one I want to start using for Champagnie.
Dom P, get it? It works on two levels. It's like Dominic Pointer - but champagne.
I just thought of a new one I want to start using for Champagnie.
Dom P, get it? It works on two levels. It's like Dominic Pointer - but champagne.
Anderson is a bad strategist and in-game coach that can be very successful if he recruits enough good players that fit his unique style.Welcome back, great post. Plenty of new info. Mike Dunlap is probably better on a dry erase board, as is Greg St. Jean. Neither is or will ever be as accomplished as our home run hire Mike Anderson. No delusions just google it.
What part of that is debatable? You’ve got four guys trying to convince the whole forum that he has it all as a coach. Spoiler alert: he was just fired. Another spoiler alert: we will never attract a coach who isn’t deeply flawed in one area or another.
I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he know what he wants in a recruit and can attract the type of player he needs here. That’s not enough for some guys who feel the need to hammer their point through ten posts a day acting like he’s also Mike Dunlap on the dry erase board. That’s pure delusion. Accept him for what he is and shut up.
Anderson is a bad strategist and in-game coach that can be very successful if he recruits enough good players that fit his unique style.
What part of that is debatable? You’ve got four guys trying to convince the whole forum that he has it all as a coach. Spoiler alert: he was just fired. Another spoiler alert: we will never attract a coach who isn’t deeply flawed in one area or another.
I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he know what he wants in a recruit and can attract the type of player he needs here. That’s not enough for some guys who feel the need to hammer their point through ten posts a day acting like he’s also Mike Dunlap on the dry erase board. That’s pure delusion. Accept him for what he is and shut up.
It’s stupid on multiple levels. Pointer and Champagnie are polar oppostites. Dom was all athletic talent and Champagnie is all skill.Ok. How about Moet?
Saying Anderson is a good coach does not mean he is absent of flaw. No one is saying this. He can have flaws and still be good for the program similar to Lavin.
Everyone is flawed you f*cking mongoloid. That statement has no relevance to any conversation on any topic. Ever. That Charles Manson, he’s not without flaws.What’s wrong with you?
I just hope for your sake that you are not actually this stupid, and you are actually just a prolific troll that pretends to be stupid to piss people off. I could get behind the latter.
What’s wrong with you?He's just a happy go lucky guy.
He's just a happy go lucky guy.It is kind of funny
Everyone is flawed you f*cking mongoloid. That statement has no relevance to any conversation on any topic. Ever. That Charles Manson, he’s not without flaws.
I just hope for your sake that you are not actually this stupid, and you are actually just a prolific troll that pretends to be stupid to piss people off. I could get behind the latter.
Everyone is flawed you f*cking mongoloid. That statement has no relevance to any conversation on any topic. Ever. That Charles Manson, he’s not without flaws.
I just hope for your sake that you are not actually this stupid, and you are actually just a prolific troll that pretends to be stupid to piss people off. I could get behind the latter.
This is crazy bro. Just take a step back.
You are the latter.
What part of that is debatable?Every part.
Neither is or will ever be as accomplished as our home run hire Mike Anderson. No delusions just google it.Home runs at other programs quickly turn into ground out double plays in Queens. No delusions just google it.
Everyone is flawed you f*cking mongoloid. That statement has no relevance to any conversation on any topic. Ever. That Charles Manson, he’s not without flaws.
I just hope for your sake that you are not actually this stupid, and you are actually just a prolific troll that pretends to be stupid to piss people off. I could get behind the latter.
Welcome back, great post. Plenty of new info. Mike Dunlap is probably better on a dry erase board, as is Greg St. Jean. Neither is or will ever be as accomplished as our home run hire Mike Anderson. No delusions just google it.
Dunlap has 1 winning season in 6 at Loyola Marymount. His record is 80-105. Mike Anderson will win his 400th game next year and is 170 games over .500
Home runs at other programs quickly turn into ground out double plays in Queens. No delusions just google it.It takes time to clean up after an absentee head coach.
I wouldn't call it a home run hire at all. The hiring process was a joke, and the jury is still very much out on Anderson.Why was the hiring process a joke? Because you read that on the internet from the mullin faithful. Our AD did his due diligence and hired us a real coach. Of course the jury is out on him, but his work ethic that he has shown here and his resume should give him the benefit of the doubt.
I hope he succeeds her and isn't like another Mullin, but in all honestly nothing this year has shown me that anything will be different at St. John's in the future. The braintrust is still in charge and that makes me very pessimistic.
I hope the class coming in next year surprise and play well together as a unit. I just don't get how so many of you have bought all the way in when nothing has been proven yet. Once he starts proving that he can win here, then he deserves the praise. Past records are impressive yes but do nothing for us here at St. John's.
Welcome back, great post. Plenty of new info. Mike Dunlap is probably better on a dry erase board, as is Greg St. Jean. Neither is or will ever be as accomplished as our home run hire Mike Anderson. No delusions just google it.
Dunlap has 1 winning season in 6 at Loyola Marymount. His record is 80-105. Mike Anderson will win his 400th game next year and is 170 games over .500
I expect next year to be better. I can’t imagine why someone would choose to think otherwise.Because we're losing our best two players and will be relying heavily on freshmen to handle the ball.
Over the course of his career Dunlap's won more games (405) than Coach Home Run (383), has lost fewer games (202) than CHR (213), and has a higher winning percentage (203 games over .500 = .667) than CHR (170 over = .643). He's also won two national championships, whereas CHR is one game over .500 in post season invitational tournaments and only if you count the NIT, which who does. Hmm mmm.You are counting division 2? The lengths you pathetic losers are going to win some imaginary argument is beyond comical. You and your ilk were going to hate on whatever coach came after the hero just because you are sad butt hurt losers. Your boy was shit canned for cause, you can lie and say you don’t care but you are only lying to yourself.
Because we're losing our best two players and will be relying heavily on freshmen to handle the ball.Those guys were leaving after this year anyway. So again I don’t understand your point. Posh won’t be a liability.
You are counting division 2?
Yes. Your experience consists of teaching 7th grade girls dodge ball and unsuccessfully interviewing for coveted JV coaching positions and that you think qualifies you as an expert witness on coaching so I'm counting winning multiple DII national championships as an accomplishment. Or do you figure Coach HR is more accomplished than Bob Hurley because Hurley's 25 state championships pale in comparison to HR's .500 NCAA tournament record.Winning multiple national championships is a great accomplishment. Dunlap is supposed to be a great teacher. But what does that have to with Mike Anderson? Dunlap hasn’t gotten a head coaching position in a major conference, why? He did get a job in the NBA, how did that turnout?
<shopworn rehash of sling blade's single thought hosed>
Winning multiple national championships is a great accomplishment. Dunlap is supposed to be a great teacher. But what does that have to with Mike Anderson?
What it has to do with Mike Anderson is you said "Mike Dunlap … will [n]ever be as accomplished as our home run hire Mike Anderson. No delusions just google it."Again I can’t compete in your made up arguments. You win. Mike Dunlap coaching at metro state from the Rocky Mountain athletic conference is more prestigious then mike Anderson winning in the big 12 and SEC.
So I googled it and it turns out that you're delusional.
<remainder hosed>
I can’t compete
You win.
Mike Dunlap coaching at metro state from the Rocky Mountain athletic conference is more prestigious then mike Anderson winning in the big 12 and SEC.
Did you not say, “You’ve got four guys trying to convince the whole forum that he has it all as a coach“?
This goes way deeper than you being a fraud. You have something personal against this Old Red fella you keep accusing me of being.
What happened? Did he...touch you? Did he make you do things? It wasn’t your fault. Marillac...it wasn’t your FAULT!
Why was the hiring process a joke? Because you read that on the internet from the mullin faithful. Our AD did his due diligence and hired us a real coach. Of course the jury is out on him, but his work ethic that he has shown here and his resume should give him the benefit of the doubt.
Our coach is the furthest thing from mullin on the planet. Honestly how many games did you expect to win this season? I wanted to be on the NIT bubble, does t look like we will get there. But their is still a chance.
I expect our coach to do his job. Why is that a bad thing? I only used (home run) to Antagonize the mongoloids.
I expect the next class to be good. I expect that Anderson and his staff will work hard with our current players. I expect next year to be better. I can’t imagine why someone would choose to think otherwise.
You must live under a rock. The college basketball world laughed at St. John's throughout the entire process. Mike Cragg looked an amateur (which he is). Hurley, Moser, & Odom all publicly turned down the job after offers. Tim Cluess pulled his name out of consideration. They then hired Anderson in a 24 hr period after it was reported that James Jones was going to get the job. If you don't believe me, Google it if your memory is that shot from Mullin's nuts smacking your forehead.I remember it very well. I would have been ok with any of the guys up for the job. Yes Hurley said no. As did porter moser. How is that embarrassing?
Mike Anderson
9-9 NCAA tournament
4-3 NIT
Greg McDermott
3-8 NCAA tournament
2-1 nit
3-2 CBI
Ed Cooley
1-5 tournament NCAA tournament
3-3 nit
1-1 cit
Kevin Willard
1-4 NCAA
1-1 nit
Great points Foady.
You must live under a rock. The college basketball world laughed at St. John's throughout the entire process. Mike Cragg looked an amateur (which he is). Hurley, Moser, & Odom all publicly turned down the job after offers. Tim Cluess pulled his name out of consideration. They then hired Anderson in a 24 hr period after it was reported that James Jones was going to get the job. If you don't believe me, Google it if your memory is that shot from Mullin's nuts smacking your forehead.
So again I don’t understand your point.“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Tim cluess didn’t pull his name out of anything. If he was offered he would have taken the job.
The college basketball world laughed at St. John's throughout the entire process.
I know you are world class in stupidity, but how is it possible for even you to not get my clear point?
Saying someone is “not absent flaw” or is not perfect isn’t a concession of any kind. It literally describes every human being that has ever lived.
It does nothing to differentiate anyone. Let’s have it your way...Mullin was not absent flaw. Anderson is not absent flaw. Let’s never compare them again. Case closed. Cheers.
I remember it very well. I would have been ok with any of the guys up for the job. Yes Hurley said no. As did porter moser. How is that embarrassing?
Within 10 days we made a great hire. Basically anyone would have been an upgrade. But lucky for me. We got someone that I like.
Tim cluess didn’t pull his name out of anything. If he was offered he would have taken the job. At that point no one in the basketball world was laughing.
Totally agree with Redy2Rumble. How is it not embarrassing? Moser and Odom coach at 2 mid major schools and they did not want to take a job in the Big East......Tim Cluess who attended St. John's took his name out of consideration when he coaches at Iona....None of these coaches wanted to take a job at a Big east school in new york who plays home games at the worlds most famous arena, that my friend is a joke.Embarrassing is getting killed in the big east tournament. Embarrassing is giving up 100 points. Embarrassing is watching your coach curse at people while the game is going around without him. The day we hired mike Anderson people stopped laughing at us.
Embarrassing is getting killed in the big east tournament. Embarrassing is giving up 100 points. Embarrassing is watching your coach curse at people while the game is going around without him.Embarrassing is 3 and 15 with two 2nd team all BE selections.
Embarrassing is getting killed in the big east tournament. Embarrassing is giving up 100 points. Embarrassing is watching your coach curse at people while the game is going around without him. The day we hired mike Anderson people stopped laughing at us.
Some of you should have discussions about basketball with others. The entire basketball world knew he was an empty suit. Did anyone of you here John Goodman the basketball reporter talk about mullin? He says the same as me.
Ready2rumble thinks mullin should have been given an extension. Carmine would say post something stupid like that. But he really knows.
John Goodman was great in The Big Lebowski
Cut him some slack. He obviously meant basketball writer Jeff Goldblum.
Embarrassing is getting killed in the big east tournament. Embarrassing is giving up 100 points. Embarrassing is watching your coach curse at people while the game is going around without him. The day we hired mike Anderson people stopped laughing at us.
Some of you should have discussions about basketball with others. The entire basketball world knew he was an empty suit. Did anyone of you here John Goodman the basketball reporter talk about mullin? He says the same as me.
Ready2rumble thinks mullin should have been given an extension. Carmine would say post something stupid like that. But he really knows.
I mean yeah all of that is embarrassing as well, but what does that have to do with the coaching search being embarrassing?If watched the game last night and saw the team as a joke, I feel bad for you.
The sad thing is Dave is right.....we were a joke under Mullin and still a joke so far under Anderson. Will that change? Time will tell.
John Goodman was great in The Big LebowskiJeff Goodman. Once again Dave, you observed the same things I did. Unless you are blind and deaf.
Hate to break it to you people laughed at St. John's with Mullin and Anderson.
Embarrassing is 3 and 15 with two 2nd team all BE selections.
Also, our biggest donor and alumni, Mike Repole openly blasted the coaching search on WFAN. I think he would know more than anyone. He even stated that it was a debate and a total joke, and that he didn't want to be involved anymore.It’s all perspective. I was cheering in my car listening to that. I felt no shame. I felt relief. Either you believe in Cragg or you don’t. Cragg believes we can win here. The repole interview was great. The only thing he didn’t do was put blame on the hero. I don’t remember the date of the I interview. But from memory we got a new coach close to it.
Embarrassing is 3 and 15 with two 2nd team all BE selections.Your a liar. We have 0 all big east selections on the team.
Embarrassing is 3 and 15 with two 2nd team all BE selections.Continue to maintain you never take a shot at Anderson. Doctors say there is no medicine like a good hearty laugh and you provide multiple ones on a daily basis. 2 all BE selections? Hahahaha! Pre season-guess they should just hand out the trophies before the season plays out. One of them has been injury riddled all season but then you knew that. You were just providing us with a good healthy hearty laugh. Hahahaha.
Your a liar. We have 0 all big east selections on the team.
At the beginning of the year both Figueroa and Heron were selected as 2nd team all BE players.Neither player achieved or will achieve all big East anything.
At the beginning of the year both Figueroa and Heron were selected as 2nd team all BE players.
And that means exactly what now after the real games were played? Nada, zilch. Neither are getting any mention unless there's a biggest disappointment team.That’s not fair either. LJ is getting abused on Twitter. He hasn’t stopped playing hard. Yes he is taking bad shots. It’s not like their are better options. Heron is still involved. Both are good players and great kids. Neither is as good as we would have hoped. Neither regressed.
That’s not fair either. LJ is getting abused on Twitter. He hasn’t stopped playing hard. Yes he is taking bad shots. It’s not like their are better options. Heron is still involved. Both are good players and great kids. Neither is as good as we would have hoped. Neither regressed.
Neither player achieved or will achieve all big East anything.
And that means exactly what now after the real games were played? Nada, zilch. Neither are getting any mention unless there's a biggest disappointment team.
Ready2rumble thinks mullin should have been given an extension. Carmine would say post something stupid like that.Yes, Mullin should have been given an extension. Hollywood should have received one before him. Only Norm should have been shown the door after year 5 when his record stopped improving.
Embarrassing is going 4-14 with 3 NBA players. Going 3-15 with the worst roster in the BE is called rebuilding. One of the announcers last night stated “this is the roster Anderson inherited, help is on the way next year”.Yes, there were embarrassing seasons under Mullin. That's what made the 4th season triumph all the more sweeter. Who was the last coach we had no embarrassing seasons under. Fran?
Your a liar. We have 0 all big east selections on the team.My bad. I said preseason selections the other 50 times I posted this. I forgot this once.
Continue to maintain you never take a shot at Anderson. Doctors say there is no medicine like a good hearty laugh and you provide multiple ones on a daily basis. 2 all BE selections? Hahahaha! Pre season-guess they should just hand out the trophies before the season plays out. One of them has been injury riddled all season but then you knew that. You were just providing us with a good healthy hearty laugh. Hahahaha.That's not a shot. It's the truth. I bet if you asked CFC he would say that he's embarrassed by 3-15 and his first career below .500 finish.
Neither player achieved or will achieve all big East anything.Yeah, that's fractionally on the coach. You decide how much.
Heron achieved All-SEC twice. He and LJ were named two of the top 12 players in the league based off of their play the year before. The people who voted them there coached against them 2-3 games last season and coach basketball for a living.
Just because Anderson can’t use them effectively doesn’t mean they aren’t good players or worthy of those honors.
According to the Arkansas posters, Anderson has struggled with top tier players in the past including last year with Daniel Gafford—who was the 38th pick in the draft and is averaging 5 and 2.5 for the bulls.
What are the odds that our two best returning players and the #38 pick in the 2019 NBA draft were all underachievers in the span of two seasons?
Neither regressed.Both regressed. A lot. And that's rare in a Johnny. Only Reggie Jessie comes to mind.
That's not a shot. It's the truth. I bet if you asked CFC he would say that he's embarrassed by 3-15 and his first career below .500 finish.I bet you he would be. Our coach is trying and he is a competitor. Did coach muggggggles ever seem embarrassed?
Both regressed. A lot. And that's rare in a Johnny. Only Reggie Jessie comes to mind.You have nothing against the kid but you just called him a quitter. All to win an argument. Your boy was (not is) a bum.
I've got nothing against the kid and don't know the details but Gil Scott didn't, or couldn't, try to rehab and make it back for the end of the season stint against ranked teams and the BE tournament. Outwardly it appears like he might have pulled a "Lovett".
Both regressed. A lot. And that's rare in a Johnny. Only Reggie Jessie comes to mind.If Gil Scott is Heron he recently under went ankle surgery so no LoVett comparison is in order.
I've got nothing against the kid and don't know the details but Gil Scott didn't, or couldn't, try to rehab and make it back for the end of the season stint against ranked teams and the BE tournament. Outwardly it appears like he might have pulled a "Lovett".
That’s not fair either. LJ is getting abused on Twitter. He hasn’t stopped playing hard. Yes he is taking bad shots. It’s not like their are better options. Heron is still involved. Both are good players and great kids. Neither is as good as we would have hoped. Neither regressed.
And who do you think would be voted the coach of that team?
It would be unanimous. Anderson has done as poorly with this team as any coach in SJU history would have done. It’s completely and udderly indefensible. Creighton and Butler were voted just ahead of us at 7th and 8th, respectively, and both teams are in the top 25 of the NET and have been top 10 in the polls. Georgetown, bites #6 when they had All-League Akinjo and a full roster, swept us with 7 scholarship players.
Looking at next year and arguing why that will be different when he gets more guys he can use effectively is where the energy should be focused. Learn to concede sh*t points.
Yes, there were embarrassing seasons under Mullin. That's what made the 4th season triumph all the more sweeter. Who was the last coach we had no embarrassing seasons under. Fran?Only mullin
Yes, there were embarrassing seasons under Mullin. That's what made the 4th season triumph all the more sweeter. Who was the last coach we had no embarrassing seasons under. Fran?Triumph?? You are being silly. Last year was an epic fold with good talent.
Anderson has done as poorly with this team as any coach in SJU history would have done.
Your a liar. We have 0 all big east selections on the team.
The team hustles and produces good stats consistently but just cant score.
Yeah, no. SJ is
10th in PF per game
10th in D reb allowed
8th in 3 pt FG allowed
7th in points allowed
6th in eFG allowed
and that's the defense, which is allegedly their strength. Not saying the offense isn't as bad, because it is. They absolutely stink on both sides of the ball. But they're not losing because they can't shoot, they're losing because the defense is atrocious.
Triumph?? You are being silly. Last year was an epic fold with good talent.
You have nothing against the kid but you just called him a quitter.Already established that you don't understand my points. So, I'm not surprised that the use of caveats, disclaimers or the slightest nuance such as: "I've got nothing against the kid and don't know the details"; "didn't, or couldn't" ; and "outwardly" he "might' went sailing clear over your head.
If Gil Scott is Heron he recently under went ankle surgery so no LoVett comparison is in order.I hadn't heard that. Surprised it wasn't on the board. I wish him well and a speedy recovery.
Triumph?? You are being silly. Last year was an epic fold with good talent.Are you telling me that you can't see the triumph on Union of Utopia of an Ncaa tournament bid season while as we speak we're mired in the midst of a 3-15 no tournament bid disaster?
Also, our biggest donor and alumni, Mike Repole openly blasted the coaching search on WFAN. I think he would know more than anyone. He even stated that it was a debate and a total joke, and that he didn't want to be involved anymore.
Probably our biggest potential donor, but not the biggest to date. Think he talks more than he contributes.
Are you telling me that you can't see the triumph on Union of Utopia of an Ncaa tournament bid season while as we speak we're mired in the midst of a 3-15 no tournament bid disaster?
love mullin and had great hopes for his tenure but he disappointed as a coach. And the team did fold horribly. if you can’t see that you’re blind
Mind boggling the mental contortions and gymnastics you guys will go through just to hate on my favorite programs Babe Ruth.
THis team will forever in my mind be the gang who couldn't shoot straight. Herons health hurt leaving only LJ as a consistent threat and opponents key on him and he is forced to take bad shots. It is not on the coach, he cant shoot it for them. The team hustles and produces good stats consistently but just cant score. At the end of the game you have two choices, Dunn or LJ trying to force something with no point guard to set them up. Too bad McGriff got hurt, I think he would have helped and will next year.
So it’s the roster and not the coach. Thanks for playing numnuts.
Do you really think “numnuts” looks correct? You spell phonetically like a small child. Try harder, numbskull.
Your a fraud
You're.
Take your pocket protector and your playboy book and hide out in the bushes and play with yourself. Your a fraud who pretends to know something about basketball.
Playboy is a magazine.
Yooooo y’all are a bunch of bitchesssss!!!!! Tight ass...ass holes!!!! Non-athletic, no game havin geeks!!!!! lol
Dave, can we put this on the homepage?
Dave, can we put this on the homepage?
Running to your daddy I see, dweeb.
I haven’t had a daddy or grandparent since 8th grade. I run to my mommy.
I’m sure you will, but tough to find anything negative today....team played well all around and sealed the deal late, which we have had a chance to do a number of times, but haven’t...go johnnies!!!
Don't forget James Jones at Yale.good call, totally forgot he interviewed.
23-7 in Ivy...1st place
good call, totally forgot he interviewed."CSC"?
James Jones: if he wins the Ivy tournament (forgot they started playing one), he would make his 3rd NCAA tournament in 20 years at Yale.
"CSC"?