Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S

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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #620 on: December 26, 2012, 09:53:00 AM »
How long did it take NCAA to suspend Kanter for entire season last year?

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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #621 on: December 26, 2012, 09:59:29 AM »
Nothing new, but at least someone is referencing this situation. The silence of other hoops scribes speaks volumes IMO. Like many, I feel we are dead in the water on this.

“@AdamZagoria: St. John’s Sanchez Still Awaiting Word from NCAA http://t.co/6VLpddqx #stjbb”
« Last Edit: December 26, 2012, 10:02:55 AM by paultzman »

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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #622 on: December 26, 2012, 10:17:08 AM »
Nothing new, but at least someone is referencing this situation. The silence of other hoops scribes speaks volumes IMO. Like many, I feel we are dead in the water on this.

“@AdamZagoria: St. John’s Sanchez Still Awaiting Word from NCAA http://t.co/6VLpddqx #stjbb”

It's simply amazing that not one of the ESPN guys have chimed in on this unless they know it's a lost cause for a very good reason.

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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #623 on: December 26, 2012, 10:38:00 AM »
Nothing new, but at least someone is referencing this situation. The silence of other hoops scribes speaks volumes IMO. Like many, I feel we are dead in the water on this.

“@AdamZagoria: St. John’s Sanchez Still Awaiting Word from NCAA http://t.co/6VLpddqx #stjbb”

It's simply amazing that not one of the ESPN guys have chimed in on this unless they know it's a lost cause for a very good reason.

I think they must think it is a lost cause. I contacted Bilas, Vitale and host of others with no response. Speaks to my influence! Ha!

Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #624 on: December 26, 2012, 12:08:22 PM »
Not sure what I am missing. Why is it such a big deal that he is 24.

If a HS graduates at 18 then goes to Prep School for 1 year he would be 19 going into College. If the young man Red Shirted 1 year he would be 24 when he is a Sr.

Let the Young Man play already. This is crazy!!


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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #625 on: December 26, 2012, 12:22:12 PM »
Not sure what I am missing. Why is it such a big deal that he is 24.

If a HS graduates at 18 then goes to Prep School for 1 year he would be 19 going into College. If the young man Red Shirted 1 year he would be 24 when he is a Sr.

Let the Young Man play already. This is crazy!!

The problem is the NCAA allows 5 years to play 4.    They're apparently claiming his entering a trade school at age 17 after his parents died to help support the family started his "5 year clock"...Apparently they're "deciding" if A) the "trade school" constituted a College (as opposed to prep school), and whether the family situation mitigates the rule enough to allow an exception.

At least that's what I've been able to put together from all this.  But this is the NCAA.  Could just be pure horse manure.   As it was with Shabazz Muhammad - Decide he's guilty early on, then keep searching to find some proof.    The kids are forced to prove their innocense, rather than the NCAA having to prove their guilt.    Shabazz was cleared because the lead investigators boyfriend got drunk on a plane and made that dirty little secret  public.  NCAa HAD to admit they had fould virtually ZIPPO evidence of wrong-doing, other than the self reported family friends paying for an unooficial visit to Durham/Chapel Hill - which it turned out Shabazz's dad had CHECKED with the NCAA before doing, and been told it was okay.

And there's the sad case of Lavin recruit Schea Cotton - The NCAA jerked him around for almost 3 years before they were forced to allow him to play college ball.   He had a learning disability, certified by multiple doctors/therapists/educators - so he was granted extra time during the SAT's to complete the test.   He passed.  And the NCAA clearinghouse refused to recognize the test.   The Cottton's took it to court, and won THREE times - and the NCAA dragged it out by Appealing the decisions.   Even tho technically allowed by the court decision, no school would allow him to play, because IF the NCAA won the appeal down the road, they could be subject to retroactive sanctions and forfieitures...

NCAA destroyed the kid.   Seems like they're trying to do the same thing to Sanchez.

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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #626 on: December 26, 2012, 12:31:42 PM »
The NCAA penalizes who they choose to. There are many other schools guilty of actually doing something wrong.

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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #627 on: December 26, 2012, 12:56:34 PM »
40 percent of our games. What a joke
Remember who broke the Slice news

Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #628 on: December 26, 2012, 09:39:24 PM »
Nothing new, but at least someone is referencing this situation. The silence of other hoops scribes speaks volumes IMO. Like many, I feel we are dead in the water on this.

“@AdamZagoria: St. John’s Sanchez Still Awaiting Word from NCAA http://t.co/6VLpddqx #stjbb”

Not sure if it is coincidence but I dropped Zag a note last week re: Sanchez..Don't know him...Just took a chance....Maybe we should hit all of the local writers...get some more attention

This looks like someone reposted Zags blog verbatim....perhaps we can get more attention

http://newyork.sbnation.com/2012/12/26/3805584/st-johns-orlando-sanchez-ncaa
« Last Edit: December 26, 2012, 09:54:45 PM by section3 »

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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #629 on: December 27, 2012, 09:31:37 AM »
If the NCAA deems him ineligible, so be it. Its not fair to him nor his teammates that this remains in limbo. 

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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #630 on: December 27, 2012, 12:21:25 PM »
The waiting is the hardest part.

In the spring, Steve Lavin traveled to Monroe College and beat out a number of suitors for talented 6'9" forward Orlando Sanchez, native of the Dominican Republic [commitment story]. Gifted with speed enough the hang with guards, a producer of good rebounding numbers, and a well-rounded game that co-existed with shot-happy guards.

He was rumored to be a one-year player for St. John's.

Right now, he is a no-year player as St. John's waits for word, two months into the season, from the NCAA about his collegiate eligibility.

The NCAA can move at a glacial pace with respect to eligibility concerns, but Sanchez's case has dragged on longer than the cases of rumored amateurism rules violators Shabazz Muhammad and Myck Kabongo. Initially, the concern was about Sanchez' age. After the Sonoma State exhibition game, head coach Steve Lavin said that "with Orlando['s case], it's related to age and eligibility," while expecting a definitive ruling in early November.

In the broadcast of the St. John's/ South Carolina game at the end of November, ESPN's color commentator Kara Lawson mentioned that part of the issue with Sanchez isn't just his age, but that he spent time working to support his family before going back to school.

One wonders if the NCAA found something that would "compromise" his "amateur status", in theAssociation's language. The length of time the eligibility decision is taking is more reminiscent of issues where the NCAA is determining whether a player played overseas or received extra benefits - or are still collecting more information.

In other countries, playing for youth teams comes with traveling money and some benefits; in the Enes Kanter case, the NCAA struggled to determine whether Kanter had received improper money until his former team told the NCAA he received money (possibly to make an example of him).

Deniz Kilicli of West Virginia was benched for 20 West Virginia games while the NCAA figured out his eligibility status.

NOT SAYING that is the case, but that there is obviously more to Sanchez' eligibility status than meets the eye. Perhaps it's a difficulty in locating birth records or school records, though he was eligible to play in junior college.

The team is 8-4 without Sanchez entering Big East play. The Johnnies have shown some talent, despite losses to decent mid- and low-major teams. But Sanchez was a very good rebounder on the junior college level, and one of the Johnnies' main issues is an inability to own the glass on both ends.

Yes, God`sGift Achiuwa is on the bench redshirting. But in extended time last season, he did not show a gift for rebounding. His 5.8 rebounds in 30 minutes per game is comparable to Chris Obekpa's 5.3 rebounds in 25 minutes per game; neither is enough to turn the Johnnies' fortunes on the glass around.

From our look at Sanchez' on-court stylings in the spring:

Sanchez was the leading rebounder and fourth-leading scorer on the Monroe College Mustangs, averaging 10.2 points per game and 7.7 rebounds (2.3 offensive rebounds per game), and added 1.8 blocks per game. Sanchez averaged 4.2 blocks per game in his freshman year at Monroe, with 9.8 points and 7.7 rebounds.

Seven percent of his shots are from outside the arc; he's hit 4/18 from the perimeter and is shooting 57.4% from the free throw line, so his perimeter shooting doesn't appear to be a strength at this time.

Inside the arc, he connected on 58% of his two-pointers and assisting on 15.8% of his team's shots - not the rate of a point guard, but the rate of a conscientious wing.

Sanchez is grabbing 22.8% of available defensive rebounds when he's on the floor, and 9.6% of his own team's misses.

Like Jamal Branch, Orlando Sanchez' talents might not be the cure for what "ails" the Red Storm; he might nit be the salve for the Red Storm's deficiencies. But it's hard to imagine that he wouldn't help with a rotation that lacks an impact big man who can end possessions and help facilitate half-court offense.

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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #631 on: December 27, 2012, 02:29:35 PM »

Yes, God`sGift Achiuwa is on the bench redshirting. But in extended time last season, he did not show a gift for rebounding. His 5.8 rebounds in 30 minutes per game is comparable to Chris Obekpa's 5.3 rebounds in 25 minutes per game; neither is enough to turn the Johnnies' fortunes on the glass around.                                                                                                                                                                                             

We need Gift now. 
JaKarr should not be playing the 5. But with CO averaging 25.4 min, Jakarr is the Ctr for 14 min/g

Gift's rebounding #'s dropped during BE play to 4.8 per 28 min.
But I expect Chris's Rebs to drop during league play too.
Having a true center 40 min/game will help Jakarr's game & #'s
Molloy '71

Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #632 on: December 27, 2012, 09:26:56 PM »
Posted over a month ago that the NCAA is looking for all sorts of paperwork from Sanchez

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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #633 on: December 28, 2012, 02:26:10 AM »
Posted over a month ago that the NCAA is looking for all sorts of paperwork from Sanchez

Hey, maybe the Dominican Government can pressure them thru the State Department.    I mean this is a foreign country - what happens if the paperwork the NCAA  wants doesn't actually exist?   Not every nations school system has the same "paper trail" as US schools...

Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #634 on: December 28, 2012, 03:04:14 AM »
Posted over a month ago that the NCAA is looking for all sorts of paperwork from Sanchez

Hey, maybe the Dominican Government can pressure them thru the State Department.    I mean this is a foreign country - what happens if the paperwork the NCAA  wants doesn't actually exist?   Not every nations school system has the same "paper trail" as US schools...

Nail on head. NCAA wants everything, bullseye on his back because of his age

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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #635 on: December 28, 2012, 08:03:25 AM »
Posted over a month ago that the NCAA is looking for all sorts of paperwork from Sanchez

Hey, maybe the Dominican Government can pressure them thru the State Department.    I mean this is a foreign country - what happens if the paperwork the NCAA  wants doesn't actually exist?   Not every nations school system has the same "paper trail" as US schools...

I really don't care how we pressure them, as long as we do.

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Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #636 on: December 28, 2012, 08:16:03 PM »
Marco they want him because they think he got paid for playing basketball

Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #637 on: December 28, 2012, 08:54:57 PM »
Marco they want him because they think he got paid for playing basketball

Of course. He is a big east player

Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #638 on: December 30, 2012, 09:01:17 PM »
Well, he's back in NY. Someone on his Facebook asked him why he came back.  His response, "to be with my team."  Sounds like he's going to stick this out to the end.

Re: Orlando Sanchez - PF - Monroe CC - Nagua, DR - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #639 on: December 30, 2012, 09:06:24 PM »
Well, he's back in NY. Someone on his Facebook asked him why he came back.  His response, "to be with my team."  Sounds like he's going to stick this out to the end.


Good for him. Maybe good for us
*wipes ketchup from his eyes* - I guess Heinz sight isn’t 20/20.