6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2012 Class => Topic started by: jumpinjohnny on June 07, 2010, 07:29:15 AM
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It was an offer Norvel Pelle couldn't refuse.
The 6-10 blue-chipper, who will be the star big man at Price High in Los Angeles this coming basketball season, got an invitation about two weeks ago to the shooting and skills camp held at St. John's over the weekend. He'd met coach Steve Lavin before and wanted a firsthand look at a program that is creating so much buzz on the East Coast.
"I've heard about what they're trying to do here," Pelle said during a break Saturday at Taffner Field House on campus. "I'm getting to know Coach Lav. I wanted to see what it's like here. ... Is St. John's on my list? Yes, it is."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2010/06/07/2010-06-07_following_camp_at_st_johns_star_california_recruit_norvel_pelle_says_red_storm_i.html#ixzz0qALB7Rw8 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2010/06/07/2010-06-07_following_camp_at_st_johns_star_california_recruit_norvel_pelle_says_red_storm_i.html#ixzz0qALB7Rw8)
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Norvel-Pelle-99419 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Norvel-Pelle-99419)
http://hscalifornia.scout.com/a.z?s=153&p=8&c=1&nid=3740436 (http://hscalifornia.scout.com/a.z?s=153&p=8&c=1&nid=3740436)
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=61888&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d61888 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=61888&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d61888)
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Sick Dunk - Norvel Pelle Catches An Alley Oop on Defender's Back (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTYPHXYxNpc#ws)
HOOPSCOUT LIVE.com: Norvel Pelle 2011 CA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtaBXA1t1Lc#)
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Lavin is the man. How great is it to have a coach that can recruit ?
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Hoo-yeah!
At the very least, I hope this means that St. John's has some choice/ options of who they recruit - makes it easier when some recruit's swept off of his feet, or a recruit turns out to be a knucklehead... not that I think St. John's will get Pelle, but that will have to get recruits' notice.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1089854 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1089854)
Pelle's gonna be at Rumble in the Bronx: http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1089854 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1089854) A bunch of you guys should go check it out, had a good time last year. See some of these ballers in person.
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Sick Dunk - Norvel Pelle Throws Down Sick Inbounds Oop Dunk For Team Odom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot4jhyeA0EU#ws)
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looks like the kids got some serious god given tools, and a body that could add muscle.
when i see this dunk i see a slimmer amare
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On the AAU circuit, he plays for west coast hitter, Dinos Trigoinis, who ran the Pangos this past weekend in Long Beach. Lavin may be getting some help on this one. They've got some solid players as well on that team with quality offers. I spoke with one father at the event who was impressed that they brought in Hines, but particularly Dunlap. His son has some high-major offers and he called Lavin an "opportunist," but said he didn't mean it in a good or a bad way. The father sitting next to him, who has a son in the 2012 class with elite-level offers, agreed with the opportunist label on Lavin. Both said that he didn't burn any bridges before he left.
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Rivals has a new article on Pelle and St. John's..... Thanks to Moose (and Rivals) via Redmen.com
"It was very good," said Pelle. "The coaches are excellent. It went very good. Overall, it was nice. I liked being there."
Though he did not know much about St. John's new head coach Steve Lavin before the camp, Pelle had nothing but positive feedback on the Red Storm's freshest front man.
"He's a cool coach you can talk to on and off the court," Pelle said.
Outside of the campus life, Pelle appreciated the experience of New York life.
"I love New York," Pelle emphatically expressed,"the whole environment, the fast-paced environment."
Pelle said he is considering St. John's because he likes their "style of play" and also because he has family in New York.
Moose also wrote.... "He likens himself to a more run and gun version of Durant/Garnett. He enjoys playing center. Article mentions how we haven't had one forever."
http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1094767&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid= (http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1094767&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=)
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This kid looks impressive...we are going after top shelf talent for sure.
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Norvel Pelle, C, Compton Magic- Easily one of the most entertaining players of the day, the near 6-foot-10 insider played with great energy. A ridiculously explosive leaper for a guy his size, he totally shut down the lane on the defensive end with his shot blocking. He can run like a wing and just needs strength to be a better finisher. He looked the part of an elite prospect on Thursday.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1105496 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1105496)
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Norvel Pelle (Los Angeles/Price), is about as inconsistent as it gets in terms of effort and productivity, but at 6-9 his physical abilities are off the charts. He gets off the floor as quickly as quick as any big I've seen, which generally leads to spectacular blocks and above the rim finishes.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5404596 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5404596)
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Norvel Pelle might have as much upside as any post player in the country. The long, super athletic lefty is poised to move up the rankings and will be hearing from a bunch of schools.
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1107104 (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1107104)
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There are certain things a player does that are so impressive that even a writer schmo can't help but notice. That happened frequently while I watched Norvel Pelle, a 6-8 jumping jack from Los Angeles. Pelle plays for the Compton Magic and when he wasn't skywalking for ridiculous blocks he was finishing thunderously on the break. He looked to me like a young Amar'e Stoudemire. I had not been alerted about Pelle, and after a few exchanges I asked a prominent head coach who he was. "That's the biggest freak in the class," he said. Seems to me Pelle is better than the No. 55 overall ranking that Scout.com gave him, but we all know the rankings don't mean much anyway.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/seth_davis/07/28/vegas.stars/1.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/seth_davis/07/28/vegas.stars/1.html)
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We need this kid!
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Norvel Pelle - HardwoodElite.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uclxpV1pL4A#ws)
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I believe Pelle's recruitment is definitely gonna pick up....
Norvel Pelle (Compton Magic, 2011)- It looks like Pelle is finding his stride as a basketball player. That is a frightening thing for his future opponents. Pelle is a big time talent with top of the line athleticism for a prospect with his size. He effortlessly blocks shots with either hand, finishes with either hand and runs the floor like a gazelle. The primary task for Pelle in order to put together his talents as a productive and winning basketball player is to crystallize his mental focus.
A number of schools are poised to make a big push for Pelle after witnessing his abilities in July. According to Pelle, the entire Pac-10 has offered along with St. John's, Texas, UNLV, UConn, Miami, Kansas and North Carolina.
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1107455 (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1107455)
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He's already been to campus once... if this happens, damn. Let's get that official visit!
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He's already been to campus once... if this happens, damn. Let's get that official visit!
Exactly, peter! That is the key, if you ask me. I want to get several of these kids to Queens (Pelle being one of 'em) for an official visit, in hopes of 'wowing' 'em.
It's gonna be interesting to see how things pan out during the early signing period.
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Any news?
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Any news?
Haven't seen much, its been pretty quiet this month with his recruitment.
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I know things can change, but I hear he may be a late commitment. If, that's the case then we can wait.
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Per Rivals (via fordham on Redmen.com).... This article is also written with a Texas Longhorn slant.
Texas fans should keep their eye on another player that has spent some time on the Belmont Shore squad - Norvel Pelle. A new five-star addition to the recently updated Rivals150, the 6-8 center prospect comes in at No. 19 overall. The first teams mentioned in Pelle's recruitment by Trigonis were Washington, ST. JOHN'S and Kansas. In addition to UT, Pelle has a lengthy list of offers, and the Longhorns will "probably" be in the mix along with those schools mentioned," Trigonis said.
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1119504&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid= (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1119504&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=)
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http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/140 (http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/140)
These guys are at every WC event and have a very good relationship with Dinos.
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http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/140 (http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/140)
These guys are at every WC event and have a very good relationship with Dinos.
A very good and thorough write-up on Pelle, Sleaveless One.
Every since Pelle came to the Johnnies Skills Camp back in June.... He's the "big man" I've wanted manning the middle for the Johnnies in 2011-2012. Hopefully, it'll come to fruition.
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http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/140 (http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/140)
These guys are at every WC event and have a very good relationship with Dinos.
A very good and thorough write-up on Pelle, Sleaveless One.
Every since Pelle came to the Johnnies Skills Camp back in June.... He's the "big man" I've wanted manning the middle for the Johnnies in 2011-2012. Hopefully, it'll come to fruition.
Me too, but ideally for the four- with a widebody or a 7'er manning the middle.
Glad you liked it.
#9 Kevin Johnson:
http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/137 (http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/137)
#24 Cezar Guerrero:
http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/80 (http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/80)
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http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/140 (http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/140)
These guys are at every WC event and have a very good relationship with Dinos.
A very good and thorough write-up on Pelle, Sleaveless One.
Every since Pelle came to the Johnnies Skills Camp back in June.... He's the "big man" I've wanted manning the middle for the Johnnies in 2011-2012. Hopefully, it'll come to fruition.
Me too, but ideally for the four- with a widebody or a 7'er manning the middle.
Glad you liked it.
#9 Kevin Johnson:
http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/137 (http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/137)
#24 Cezar Guerrero:
http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/80 (http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/80)
I'm not sure a wide body will fit what we are trying to do here. It's not like we are going to slow it down and grind it out. Norm's mistake was that he had a roster split between the two. He had guys like Paris or Ced that excel in a fast paced game and he had guys like Lawrence and Hamilton that were meant to play slow.
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http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/140 (http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/140)
These guys are at every WC event and have a very good relationship with Dinos.
A very good and thorough write-up on Pelle, Sleaveless One.
Every since Pelle came to the Johnnies Skills Camp back in June.... He's the "big man" I've wanted manning the middle for the Johnnies in 2011-2012. Hopefully, it'll come to fruition.
Me too, but ideally for the four- with a widebody or a 7'er manning the middle.
Glad you liked it.
#9 Kevin Johnson:
http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/137 (http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/137)
#24 Cezar Guerrero:
http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/80 (http://www.calihighsports.com/articles/80)
I'm not sure a wide body will fit what we are trying to do here. It's not like we are going to slow it down and grind it out. Norm's mistake was that he had a roster split between the two. He had guys like Paris or Ced that excel in a fast paced game and he had guys like Lawrence and Hamilton that were meant to play slow.
Frankly, I'm not sure what system or even style Lavin is planning on running here. Perhaps, he's mentioned it, but I've been away a lot. I assume he will bring what was generally successful at UCLA (although even there he adapted year-to-year to the personnel) with, perhaps, some concessions to the physical play of the Big East. Even in that Katz interview, they didn't really address it. Based upon the personnel that he's recruited, it certainly looks, long-term, like an uptempo system that takes advantage of wings that can slash and crash the boards, a low-turnover point guard that is looking to push it, yet can competently run a half-court offense and generate his own offense, and bigs that can run.
At his core, I think the strength of Pelle's game is his nearly freakish athleticism for his size. When motivated, he's a match-up problem on both sides. Since both Pelle and Sampson are, at best, lithe, I was hoping, based on his historical success in recruiting, that Coach Lavin might be able to land a mobile 6'10" + (say, Malcolm Gilbert-Pitt or Michael Chandler) or a mobile 6'8+" wide body (say, Kevin Johnson or Tyler Adams-type) in the middle to complement Pelle/Sampson on the low box. Pelle, long-term, is a potential pro 4 and Sampson, who is 6'7," fortunately recognizes that, if he ever becomes a pro, it'll be as a 3. With Harkless on board, either Sampson is out or Lavin can convince JS that he can coexist as a hybrid forward, which he played for the King James program, and get enough touches with Harkless on the opposite wing.
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[tweet]http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/24627938605[/tweet]
http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/09/15/norvel-pelle-taking-home-visits/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/09/15/norvel-pelle-taking-home-visits/)
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I read that his in-house with STJ went "very well"
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where did you read that..?
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where did you read that..?
I saw it on Twitter I think.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/09/15/norvel-pelle-taking-home-visits/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/09/15/norvel-pelle-taking-home-visits/)
Sources said the St. John’s home visit went very well. The Johnnies are involved with a number of West Coast players, including Pelle and wing Amir Garrett.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/09/22/pelle-close-to-taking-officials/#more-39943 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/09/22/pelle-close-to-taking-officials/#more-39943)
In a phone interview Wednesday night, the 6-foot-10, 205-pound Pelle of Los Angeles Price said he was considering St. John’s, UTEP, UConn and “the whole PAC 10 except Arizona.” He specifically mentioned Oregon and Washington from the PAC 10.
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“St. John’s is an uptempo team,” he said. “So is UConn. UConn has history of winning. St. John’s, they’re rebuilding their program with Coach [Steve] Lavin there.”
Both schools recently had home visits with Pelle.
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Norvel Pelle-Best Center on West Coast(Summer Mix) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OnDQr86hFM#ws)
new pelle video..kid is an absolute freak of an athlete
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Damn!!!
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Wow that last video is scary good of Pelle.
We need this kid bad.
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WOW. I am really impressed with how well he can start and finish the fast break. Kids a stud athlete and just the type of big man we need.
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If Lavin pulls this one off, we will be scary good in a few years. Watching that video i couldn't get a young David Robinson out of my head. I realize full well, he's not The Admiral, but defensively he could be damn close.
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Oregon is going to make a strong push for Pelle now.
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Oregon is going to make a strong push for Pelle now.
I mentioned the same on Redmen.com. I also think Washington will do the same.
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Damn!!!
Still think the kid is about the same as Jack? I've never seen a kid as big get eye level with the rim like him. It's absurd how high he gets up.
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May take a trip to "Midnight Madness" in Kansas (not etched in stone).
Per Rivals.... Who has the most important visitors for Midnight Madness?
Meyer: I don't know that any school has more on the line for Midnight Madness than Kansas. With only one 2011 commitment in the fold, Kansas has three of its top 2011 targets - Angelo Chol, Ben McLemore and LeBryan Nash - scheduled to be on campus. Several top underclass recruits will be on campus as well, but the priority is securing another quality recruiting class in 2011.
Bossi: That's a tough question because there are several schools that have massive groups of prospects coming in. The two that stand out to me are Kansas and Indiana. Kansas will have a top-five 2011 guy in LeBryan Nash, another five-star in Ben McLemore and possibly five-star Norvel Pelle (status of visit is still a little up in the air). In addition, the Jayhawks have their primary point guard targets from 2012 in Marcus Paige and Nino Jackson on campus. Then, from the class of 2013, they'll have the nation's top No. 1, 3, and 10 prospects in Andrew Harrison, Julius Randle and Aaron Harrison.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1138840 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1138840)
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Damn!!!
Still think the kid is about the same as Jack? I've never seen a kid as big get eye level with the rim like him. It's absurd how high he gets up.
Seeing more video on him I'm becoming more impressed.
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any news on when/if hes visiting and how likely we are to grab him?
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any news on when/if hes visiting and how likely we are to grab him?
I think our chances are fading, but I trust in Lavin and the kid is Lavin's most connected city. It's just so difficult to fend of schools like Kansas at this point when we haven't made the tournament in eight years.
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any news on when/if hes visiting and how likely we are to grab him?
I think our chances are fading, but I trust in Lavin and the kid is Lavin's most connected city. It's just so difficult to fend of schools like Kansas at this point when we haven't made the tournament in eight years.
I wouldn't say our chances are fading, as there hasn't been much talk about his recruitment on any front (even from the respective schools who are recruiting him). He's still in the midst of setting up officials.
Kansas will be a formidable team to fend off for his services, but it seems we're in a good position to land Pelle.
Some of these kids like to keep things close to the vest before making an announcement. Remember, it seemed like there was a lull with Sampson and then his name resurfaces when he visited Tennessee.
Basically, a week or so later he commits to St. John's. Maybe, Pelle waits until the spring before he decides on a college. I'm sure we'll hear something from Pelle and his camp before this month is over.
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It appears the only two big guys Lavin is recruiting who look to be Big East players are Pelle and God's Gift. FOr that reason i would think he is condfident in landing these players. I have no idea what is in Pelle's head but looking at Lavin's actions regarding his pf/c recruits, ill trust him.
I remember when it didnt look like Nick Johnson or Jabari Brown were coming and wondered who would be recruited as a sg. Then all of a sudden Harrison and Greene show up on our list. Same for PG...as the position was dwinding we wondered why Lavin never contacted Cook in the month of September, went after Mack or offered Guererro and that was b/c he was confident he had Lindsey (which i wish would be official).
Hopefully this is the case with Pelle and God's Gift.
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http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1142395 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1142395)
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^^^
Lavin chasing Pelle
Steve Lavin has been trying to get Norvel Pelle all summer. Do you consider Pelle an impact freshman or a limited offensive player with major shot-blocking ability? Do you think that the positive momentum with the program will benefit Lavin? Thanks.
- Vito from Yonkers
Pelle is an impact freshman because he is a phenomenal shot blocker and all-around athlete. Yes, he is limited offensively, but I don't know of a 2011 big man who can run the floor, rebound, block shots and play above the rim as a finisher like Pelle can.
St. John's has been a prominent player in Pelle's recruitment if not the outright leader. The string of commitments by forwards and guards can only help Lavin's chances of landing this post player and what would be his first 2011 West Coast recruit.
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pelle would be great in lavins system no doubt about it
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Per Zags.... Pretty much what I heard a couple of months ago.
Compton (Calif.) forward Norvel Pelle may wait until the spring to sign, a source with knowledge says
[tweet]http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/28526981050[/tweet]
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It seems we're gonna get a visit before the early signing period is over.... Pelle also recently spoke to Lavin.
Things are moving fast and furious tonight in the world of college hoops recruiting….
**First off, Norvel Pelle told me tonight by phone that he plans to visit St. John’s and Washington, but didn’t have the specific dates nailed down.
“I’m starting visits next week,” he said.
The NCAA early signing period runs Nov. 10-17 and Pelle said he hoped to take “two or three” visits before it ends.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/30/pelle-planning-visits-kabongo-decommits-boatright-likes-uconn/#more-41788 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/30/pelle-planning-visits-kabongo-decommits-boatright-likes-uconn/#more-41788)
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are we the favorite for him?
i would think so since we fit his playing style great but thats just me
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I am not sure the rules, If Pelle or another doesn't sign by NOV. 17 they can't sign until spring. Is that correct?
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I am not sure the rules, If Pelle or another doesn't sign by NOV. 17 they can't sign until spring. Is that correct?
Yes .....see the recruit listing page. http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=1687.0 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=1687.0)
Early Signing Period November 10-17, 2010
Late Signing Period April 13 - May 18, 2011
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Visit next weekend?
[tweet]http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/29310312270[/tweet]
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Visit next weekend?
[tweet]http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/29310312270[/tweet]
That would be awesome to get him to visit before the early signing period and also we have a exhibition game against Westmont College Saturday so he can see the team in action.
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http://johnnyjungle.com/recruiting/calendar/ (http://johnnyjungle.com/recruiting/calendar/)
I have a lot of resources on this site. Be sure to check them out.
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are we the favorite for him?
i would think so since we fit his playing style great but thats just me
can someone answer me please lol -_-
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are we the favorite for him?
i would think so since we fit his playing style great but thats just me
can someone answer me please lol -_-
Someone would've answered your question had they had the answer. No offense, but you can just look around and read the board and find out things, instead of asking the same questions.
Trust me! When there is available info then folk are gonna post it. Relax.
No one really knows who is the favorite for Pelle. We know we are one of his finalists and probably have a good shot at landing him. Had I gone out on a limb then I would say the Johnnies and Washington are probably his leaders at the moment.
Hopefully, we can get an official visit this weekend and seal the deal on him.
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I think Pelle probably has NBA aspirations, and from the video I've seen they're realistic aspirations.
He sees an NBA staff. He sees a chance to be the man in the paint. He sees a half dozen top tier players already on board.
How can he not strongly consider us. I'll see what I can find out tomorrow.
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are we the favorite for him?
i would think so since we fit his playing style great but thats just me
can someone answer me please lol -_-
Someone would've answered your question had they had the answer. No offense, but you can just look around and read the board and find out things, instead of asking the same questions.
Trust me! When there is available info then folk are gonna post it. Relax.
No one really knows who is the favorite for Pelle. We know we are one of his finalists and probably have a good shot at landing him. Had I gone out on a limb then I would say the Johnnies and Washington are probably his leaders at the moment.
Hopefully, we can get an official visit this weekend and seal the deal on him.
iight thanks next time ill ask u directly since u know everything and are master of the forum
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iight thanks next time ill ask u directly since u know everything and are master of the forum
did someone piss in your Cheerios this morning..?
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stjchris128 - this board has many posters who have sources and obtain information on recruits often, usually if there is a breaking story or important information it will be posted on this board first. That being said no one answered your question because no one knows. Pelle has played his recruitment very close to the chest and Pelle being from california it is harder to get reliable information with most of the posters being from the ny area. I agree with you he looks to fit our playing style and like others have said our staffs nba connections and recruits already on board it could be the perfect situation for Pelle. But at this time it is all conjecture, when someone knows something more they will post it
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iight thanks next time ill ask u directly since u know everything and are master of the forum
I really hope you are 14 and not an adult, because you're acting like a little bitch.
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are we the favorite for him?
i would think so since we fit his playing style great but thats just me
can someone answer me please lol -_-
Someone would've answered your question had they had the answer. No offense, but you can just look around and read the board and find out things, instead of asking the same questions.
Trust me! When there is available info then folk are gonna post it. Relax.
No one really knows who is the favorite for Pelle. We know we are one of his finalists and probably have a good shot at landing him. Had I gone out on a limb then I would say the Johnnies and Washington are probably his leaders at the moment.
Hopefully, we can get an official visit this weekend and seal the deal on him.
iight thanks next time ill ask u directly since u know everything and are master of the forum
MJ Dinkins is one of the more knowledgable posters on all the sites and gets good info on a lot of stuff and shares it with the board as he gets it as do others here and he wasnt trying to be condescending to you or anything.
No need to get nasty with him
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iight thanks next time ill ask u directly since u know everything and are master of the forum
I really hope you are 14 and not an adult, because you're acting like a little bitch.
so you have no problem calling a 14 year old a little bitch?
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/11/02/pelle-to-visit-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/11/02/pelle-to-visit-st-johns/)
Looks like he is visiting this weekend, great news.
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U guys think he will b @ the exhibition??..
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U guys think he will b @ the exhibition??..
Seems like he is definitely visiting this weekend and if thats the case I would think he will be there for the exhibition game which is a good thing to see the team in action in my opinion.
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i just want to say sorry for what i said earlier i said that when i was pissed i took what he said the wrong way so i want to apologize. this isnt the place for that we're all st johns fans hope everyone accepts the apology
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That's good enough for me. We all have our bad moments on the computer. Nice job with the apology
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i just want to say sorry for what i said earlier i said that when i was pissed i took what he said the wrong way so i want to apologize. this isnt the place for that we're all st johns fans hope everyone accepts the apology
Appreciate it, chris! No hard feelings. There are more than enough folk on this board (and Redmen.com) who will announce pertinent info when it's available.
It's all good, chris. Thanks! Appreciate it, as well, maherjr and kjd.
@matt: I think Pelle will be at the exhibition, as he'll be on an official visit (which is 48 hours). I'm hoping Lavin "wows" Pelle and his family.
This could be huge, folk. Really HUGE!
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Ok, wow. These guys are really good recruiters.
Any academic problems with Norvel, btw?
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Ok, wow. These guys are really good recruiters.
Any academic problems with Norvel, btw?
I believe that was the supposed reason for him possibly being a spring signee at one point. I heard there might've been some issues with his transcript. But, I believe his academics are in order.
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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/03/parise-the-new-face-of-the-storm/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/03/parise-the-new-face-of-the-storm/)
Center Norvell Pelle from Compton visits this weekend. Pelle loves the staff and school. Don’t be surprised if he commits during or shortly after his visit.
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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/03/parise-the-new-face-of-the-storm/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/03/parise-the-new-face-of-the-storm/)
Center Norvell Pelle from Compton visits this weekend. Pelle loves the staff and school. Don’t be surprised if he commits during or shortly after his visit.
Nice article and good news on Pelle and happy that Lavin seems to love Hardy because with DJ and Hardy we have two very good scorers who can carry us. Hardy needs to play a lot this season in my opinion.
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Hardy needs to start. Not keeping him on the floor enough is the reason Roberts got fired.
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i met him tonight hes rediculously tall
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[tweet]http://twitter.com/JohnnyJungleSTJ/status/1147560601329664[/tweet]
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Great news
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Wow Dave.
The would be the cherry on top for this weekend.
Team looked sharp in the exhibition game and we land the man in the middle we need so badly in this recruiting class. Pelle we need you to be throwing down monster dunks for us next year, like JB2 did last night.
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We need Pelle, if that rumor is true then I will be so happy.
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I really hope this rumor is true hes a perfect fit
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He was walking around Alumni Hall last night, and both he and Garrett seemed comfortable there.
Just about everyone in attendance knew who they were. Didn't hurt that we played really well, and threw the ball down 2 dozen times, or so.
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It seems Pelle is gonna depart New York without committing.... Hopefully, he does in the coming days.
Per Zags.... Spoke briefly with Norvel Pelle Sr.. They leave St. John's at 7 p.m., but no commitment yet. "No, no, no." Will udpate later
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1402364237979648[/tweet]
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Down to STJ and Washington...some good quotes but the UW coach is a good recruiter too.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/11/07/pelle-to-choose-between-st-johns-washington/#more-42178 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/11/07/pelle-to-choose-between-st-johns-washington/#more-42178)
Norvel Pelle, the No. 2 center in the Class of 2011 from Los Angeles Price High School, says he “loved” his official visit to St. John’s and will decide between the Johnnies and Washington after visiting UW next weekend.
“I have Washington next weekend,” Pelle said by phone Sunday night. “I’m just going with an open mind.”
Asked if those were the only two schools he was focusing on at this point, Pelle said, “Yes.”
Asked if he planned to sign in November, he said, “Yes.”
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Down to STJ and Washington...some good quotes but the UW coach is a good recruiter too.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/11/07/pelle-to-choose-between-st-johns-washington/#more-42178 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/11/07/pelle-to-choose-between-st-johns-washington/#more-42178)
Norvel Pelle, the No. 2 center in the Class of 2011 from Los Angeles Price High School, says he “loved” his official visit to St. John’s and will decide between the Johnnies and Washington after visiting UW next weekend.
“I have Washington next weekend,” Pelle said by phone Sunday night. “I’m just going with an open mind.”
Asked if those were the only two schools he was focusing on at this point, Pelle said, “Yes.”
Asked if he planned to sign in November, he said, “Yes.”
You're right, as Romar is a heckuva recruiter in his own right. But, it does seem like (from the article) that he is somewhat leaning towards the Johnnies. Hopefully, he's a part of the Johnnies family in another 10 days.
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Down to STJ and Washington...some good quotes but the UW coach is a good recruiter too.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/11/07/pelle-to-choose-between-st-johns-washington/#more-42178 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/11/07/pelle-to-choose-between-st-johns-washington/#more-42178)
Norvel Pelle, the No. 2 center in the Class of 2011 from Los Angeles Price High School, says he “loved” his official visit to St. John’s and will decide between the Johnnies and Washington after visiting UW next weekend.
“I have Washington next weekend,” Pelle said by phone Sunday night. “I’m just going with an open mind.”
Asked if those were the only two schools he was focusing on at this point, Pelle said, “Yes.”
Asked if he planned to sign in November, he said, “Yes.”
You're right, as Romar is a heckuva recruiter in his own right. But, it does seem like (from the article) that he is somewhat leaning towards the Johnnies. Hopefully, he's a part of the Johnnies family in another 10 days.
I think he is smart to visit Washington. I want him here and I think he will be here but he hasnt been on many visits and if he has interest in Washington he should visit them even if he loved SJU. I think we did all we could to get him and just hope next week that it was enough because we need him.
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i talked to him yesterday at the game he said he was most likely commiting here and he said he loved it to zagoria so i wouldnt be tooo worried but still there is a lil concern
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This trip to UW (if he makes it) is just a formality. We got this kid. I'm beyond confident.
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Well, my inside sources told me that he was wearing an SJU sweatshirt last night.
My inside sources being my eyeballs.
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This trip to UW (if he makes it) is just a formality. We got this kid. I'm beyond confident.
What a difference a year makes. Go look at some old recruiting threads its funny.
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This trip to UW (if he makes it) is just a formality. We got this kid. I'm beyond confident.
What a difference a year makes. Go look at some old recruiting threads its funny.
I know...the last seven-eight years we were the courtesy trip.
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Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
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Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
No , but he plays with his head above the rim. He'll be a defensive stopper like we haven't seen in a long time around here. Not many high school bigs have a back to basket game initially. No need when you can physically dominate at the high school level. I'm sure the top notch coaching staff we have in place is salivating at the thought of coaching this kid. Don't worry Baldi, its ok. :)
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Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
After 3 months with Dunlap, I'd venture to say that he'll have a handful of go-to moves with his back to the basket.
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Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
After 3 months with Dunlap, I'd venture to say that he'll have a handful of go-to moves with his back to the basket.
You think Dunlap can get him to be a solid option in the paint in 3 months? Does Pelle already have back to the basket moves? Love his athleticism, but haven't seen much video of him in the halfcourt.
(And if Dunlap could get Pelle useable post moves, maybe he can get Burrell's post moves to be more effective.)
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Per Neal Nieves (Coast 2 Coast Recruiting)....
http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/11/reports-st-johns-leads-for-pelle/ (http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/11/reports-st-johns-leads-for-pelle/)
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Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
After 3 months with Dunlap, I'd venture to say that he'll have a handful of go-to moves with his back to the basket.
You think Dunlap can get him to be a solid option in the paint in 3 months? Does Pelle already have back to the basket moves? Love his athleticism, but haven't seen much video of him in the halfcourt.
(And if Dunlap could get Pelle useable post moves, maybe he can get Burrell's post moves to be more effective.)
I've never seen him demonstrate a semblance of a back-to-the-basket game. He's not an elite-level scorer, but he's dependent upon on freakish athleticism and his natural height advantage. At this level, he can dominate, but, as he moves up, he'll have to steadily develop his post skills, both low and high. At the next level, initially, I'd anticipate that he'll primarily score off of dish-offs and OR put backs (his primary scoring option now).
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5781447 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5781447)
Early signing period predictions
Adam Finkelstein: St. John's will add to its class, With four ESPNU 100 prospects expected to sign this week, coach Steve Lavin has already accomplished more than anyone could have predicted, but with so much momentum don't be surprised to see him add a fifth signature this week. Norvel Pelle (Long Beach, Calif./Price) is one possibility because he will reportedly pick between St. John's and Washington, but you can bet that isn't the only lead the Red Storm are chasing this week, as they still have plenty of scholarships to hand out in 2011.
Joel Francisco: Pelle visited St. John's this weekend, and after talking to numerous sources it appears the Red Storm were the heavy favorites for his signature. However, if Pelle doesn't sign with St. John's during the early signing period, look for Washington, Kansas and possibly UCLA to go all out during the regular season to get back in the race.
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theyll coach him up good so hes a great back to the basketplayer too and he may be the most important recruit yet he should commit to us but anything really could happen but im extremely confident tho
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Pelle is needed for the defensive end more than anything especially early in his career. We will need his presence inside on both ends as well as his shot blocking and rebounding. He will get more than his fair share of points on put backs and fast breaks. He can really run the floor and like most big men he is raw offensively.
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Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
After 3 months with Dunlap, I'd venture to say that he'll have a handful of go-to moves with his back to the basket.
You think Dunlap can get him to be a solid option in the paint in 3 months? Does Pelle already have back to the basket moves? Love his athleticism, but haven't seen much video of him in the halfcourt.
(And if Dunlap could get Pelle useable post moves, maybe he can get Burrell's post moves to be more effective.)
After 3 months with Dunlap, I'd venture to say that he'll have a handful of go-to moves with his back to the basket.
You think Dunlap can get him to be a solid option in the paint in 3 months? Does Pelle already have back to the basket moves? Love his athleticism, but haven't seen much video of him in the halfcourt.
(And if Dunlap could get Pelle useable post moves, maybe he can get Burrell's post moves to be more effective.)
I don't think he'll be a consistent scorer, but I do think he'll have a few go-to moves to keep defenders honest. Becoming that type of scorer will take him a few years--if it ever happens.
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Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
After 3 months with Dunlap, I'd venture to say that he'll have a handful of go-to moves with his back to the basket.
You think Dunlap can get him to be a solid option in the paint in 3 months? Does Pelle already have back to the basket moves? Love his athleticism, but haven't seen much video of him in the halfcourt.
(And if Dunlap could get Pelle useable post moves, maybe he can get Burrell's post moves to be more effective.)
After 3 months with Dunlap, I'd venture to say that he'll have a handful of go-to moves with his back to the basket.
You think Dunlap can get him to be a solid option in the paint in 3 months? Does Pelle already have back to the basket moves? Love his athleticism, but haven't seen much video of him in the halfcourt.
(And if Dunlap could get Pelle useable post moves, maybe he can get Burrell's post moves to be more effective.)
I don't think he'll be a consistent scorer, but I do think he'll have a few go-to moves to keep defenders honest. Becoming that type of scorer will take him a few years--if it ever happens.
So allow me to play devils advocate. Why is he such a must get if he might never be a consistent scorer. Is he a must get strictly for his defensive prowess?
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A Marcus Camby type?
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:-\major defensive anchor at the basket the likes of whom we have not seen since walter berry. a perfect compliment to the scorers we have been bringing in.
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A Marcus Camby type?
A possibility, Baldi. Not to mention, Pelle supposedly has a tremendous upside.
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Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
After 3 months with Dunlap, I'd venture to say that he'll have a handful of go-to moves with his back to the basket.
You think Dunlap can get him to be a solid option in the paint in 3 months? Does Pelle already have back to the basket moves? Love his athleticism, but haven't seen much video of him in the halfcourt.
(And if Dunlap could get Pelle useable post moves, maybe he can get Burrell's post moves to be more effective.)
After 3 months with Dunlap, I'd venture to say that he'll have a handful of go-to moves with his back to the basket.
You think Dunlap can get him to be a solid option in the paint in 3 months? Does Pelle already have back to the basket moves? Love his athleticism, but haven't seen much video of him in the halfcourt.
(And if Dunlap could get Pelle useable post moves, maybe he can get Burrell's post moves to be more effective.)
I don't think he'll be a consistent scorer, but I do think he'll have a few go-to moves to keep defenders honest. Becoming that type of scorer will take him a few years--if it ever happens.
So allow me to play devils advocate. Why is he such a must get if he might never be a consistent scorer. Is he a must get strictly for his defensive prowess?
I was referring to back-to-the-basket scoring ability. I think his athleticism alone will enable him to dominate at the college level in terms of put-backs, alley-oops, finishing on the break, and lob passes inside where he catches/and seals his man. Defensively, he should block a ton of shots. I just think he fits what we are trying to do better than anyone out there.
Imagine for a second the wingspan our defensive players will have if we add Pelle and Garrett...they are both freakishly long players.
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Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
Can this kid play with his back to the basket?
After 3 months with Dunlap, I'd venture to say that he'll have a handful of go-to moves with his back to the basket.
You think Dunlap can get him to be a solid option in the paint in 3 months? Does Pelle already have back to the basket moves? Love his athleticism, but haven't seen much video of him in the halfcourt.
(And if Dunlap could get Pelle useable post moves, maybe he can get Burrell's post moves to be more effective.)
After 3 months with Dunlap, I'd venture to say that he'll have a handful of go-to moves with his back to the basket.
You think Dunlap can get him to be a solid option in the paint in 3 months? Does Pelle already have back to the basket moves? Love his athleticism, but haven't seen much video of him in the halfcourt.
(And if Dunlap could get Pelle useable post moves, maybe he can get Burrell's post moves to be more effective.)
I don't think he'll be a consistent scorer, but I do think he'll have a few go-to moves to keep defenders honest. Becoming that type of scorer will take him a few years--if it ever happens.
So allow me to play devils advocate. Why is he such a must get if he might never be a consistent scorer. Is he a must get strictly for his defensive prowess?
I was referring to back-to-the-basket scoring ability. I think his athleticism alone will enable him to dominate at the college level in terms of put-backs, alley-oops, finishing on the break, and lob passes inside where he catches/and seals his man. Defensively, he should block a ton of shots. I just think he fits what we are trying to do better than anyone out there.
Imagine for a second the wingspan our defensive players will have if we add Pelle and Garrett...they are both freakishly long players.
not to mention harkless sampson and polee all of which are extremely long..its scary marallic
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theyre all perfect for lavins system offensively and defensively the words that come up for pointer, sampson, harkless,harrison, and lindseyare either long,athletic, high scoring,shut down defender, shot blocker if not all of those together. pelle and garrett would only add to that in their own ways theyll all get their minutes itll be fun to see all of them running down the court in transition and in the half court offense but also in the zone defense i predict somewhere in the 2012 season is when theyll really start to begin being the team we expect them to be when these guys are halfway thru their sophmore year and jevon thomas is learning at the point and leading them
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Pelle just announced on ESPNU...coming to St. John's!
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This is incredible, this probably moves us ahead of Arkansas. Did he sign his letter or is he waiting until the Spring?
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He said he was "signing and committing"...I would think we will get the official word in the next day or 2.
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Awesome. This is huge!
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He said he was "signing and committing"...I would think we will get the official word in the next day or 2.
Thanks! The future is looking real bright.
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Welcome to the Red and White
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Great job, once again by the staff.
This is incredible! This is pure nirvana for us.
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manbearpig says welcome norvelle
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Can not say how great of a job the staff has done! Welcome Norvel see you in the paint at the Garden!
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Wow, this guy is exactly what we needed. I would say I can't believe this but Lavin has been so good that I have fully expected Pelle to come here ever since he said he was going to visit us.
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My article on the recruits along with Norvel will be up in a bit...got great quotes, hope you guys enjoy it once it's posted.
Big day for St. John's
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Geez I can't be away from my computer for more than hour. Welcome Pelle!
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Just got the news!! Weclome aboard Pelle!!! Now i know how NY Yankee Fans feel signing the best players!! I'm a Met fan by the way lol.
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i was literally jumping up and down when i herd the news
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We needed a big man and Pelle is a great fit in Lavin's running system.
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Fresh off Wednesday’s bonanza recruiting haul, St. John’s got its biggest commitment in the Steve Lavin Era when prep center/power forward Norvel Pelle of Compton verbally committed to the Red Storm on Thursday.
St. John’s now has the coveted big man to complement the four wings and one combo guard who previously committed.
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With the lack of quality big men in college basketball, securing Pelle is a major coup. He is a unique young man; in addition to basketball, he is seriously interested in art.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/st_john_lands_top_recruit_pelle_ia81uM4Ccv5owKjSnEdcjL#ixzz155CzMmrq (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/st_john_lands_top_recruit_pelle_ia81uM4Ccv5owKjSnEdcjL#ixzz155CzMmrq)
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Per Neal Nieves.... It's from a few days ago.
Heard St Johns Commit Norvel Pelle will not be playing with Price High School for the Pasadena Tournament. No Word on why yet
[tweet]http://twitter.com/C2CRecruiting/status/9715747265708032[/tweet]
Here is a piece on the situation, per the LA Times....
Los Angeles Price center Norvel Pelle won't be playing until late next month, Coach Michael Lynch said. Pelle and Lynch are working out some team issues.
The 6-foot-9 Pelle sat out last season after transferring from Compton Dominguez. He signed with St. John's.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/varsitytimesinsider/2010/11/boys-basketball-pelle-wont-be-playing-until-late-next-month.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/varsitytimesinsider/2010/11/boys-basketball-pelle-wont-be-playing-until-late-next-month.html)
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Had 14 points and 15 rebounds in his first game
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Had 14 points and 15 rebounds in his first game
Where is the link, chris? Do you know how many blocks he had?
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/onthetrail (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/onthetrail)
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Pelle goes for 16 in Price's win on yesterday....
http://www.wavenewspapers.com/sports/Scott-scores-26-Washington-Prep-rolls-112025629.html (http://www.wavenewspapers.com/sports/Scott-scores-26-Washington-Prep-rolls-112025629.html)
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I found a nice interview w Norvelle from the summer- dont think its been posted:
http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/u17/10mdntPelle.html (http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/u17/10mdntPelle.html)
As a member of the 2009-10 USA Basketball Developmental National Team, Pelle has trained with the this very elite group since June 2009.He's back on the court again in his USA practice gear and working to be one of the players selected for either the USA U17 World Championship Team or the USA Youth Olympic Games Team. (He did not make the team)
and http://www.usabasketball.com/bios/pelle_norvel.html (http://www.usabasketball.com/bios/pelle_norvel.html)
The Personal Scoop
Born on Feb. 3, 1993, in St. John, Antigua.
Son of Norvel and Darlene Pelle; has three sisters, Cherisa, Chenelle and Sherrice.
Nickname is Stix.
Would like to finish college with a degree in business.
Favorite sport other than basketball: football.
Favorite food: pizza.
Always at my bedside is: my ball.
Always in my fridge: ice.
One piece of clothing I can't live without: basketball shorts.
Away from basketball I enjoy: hanging out with my friends.
Superstitions: being next to a graveyard right by my grandma's house in Antigua.
Can't live without: my family.
Most people don't know: I wasn't born in America.
This right-hander wears No. 5 because of Kevin Garnett.
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Pelle goes for 23 points on last night....
Price 68, Campolindo 61
St. John’s-bound Norvell Pelle scored 23 points as the Knights held on after letting an 18-point lead slip away
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2010/12/17/1412961/hansen-leads-tigers-to-boys-basketball.html (http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2010/12/17/1412961/hansen-leads-tigers-to-boys-basketball.html)
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Pelle goes for 16 on Saturday in Price's win....
You can see highlights here: http://www1.ksby.com/player/?video_id=7843 (http://www1.ksby.com/player/?video_id=7843) (about 1:20 mark)
edited link
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Pelle finished up with only 6 points before being ejected....
In perhaps the most exciting game in the first round of the Oaks Christian Tournament on Monday, Los Angeles Price rallied from an 11-point halftime deficit to defeat Palisades, 61-57. Jamie Trujeque sank two free throws with 10 seconds left to clinch the victory.
The Knights (8-2) were led by Skylar Spencer's 23 points and won despite only six points by St. John's-bound senior Norvel Pelle, who was ejected with 4:38 left in the fourth quarter after having words with Palisades' Khalil Johnson.
Adam Griffin scored 15 points and four steals for the Dolphins (6-8), who led 33-22 at halftime and clung to a one-point lead after three quarters before succumbing to the defending Division IV state champions.
Price takes on Sacramento in the quarterfinals at 5:30 p.m. and Palisades tips off against Ontario Colony at 11:30 a.m. today.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/varsitytimesinsider/2010/12/boys-basketball-price-wins-at-oaks-christian-tournament.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/varsitytimesinsider/2010/12/boys-basketball-price-wins-at-oaks-christian-tournament.html)
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Clips of Pelle at a recent holiday tournament (Pelle's clip starts around the 2:06 mark)....
http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/mlk-showcase-price-hs (http://www.ballislife.com/profiles/blogs/mlk-showcase-price-hs)
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Price had seven dunks, five by Pelle, who finished with 20 points, eight rebounds and four blocks. Spencer had eight points, four blocks and one dunk. Lutheran's Bruce English had two crowd-pleasing dunks among his team-leading 19 points.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-sondheimer-20110123,0,3614672.story (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-sondheimer-20110123,0,3614672.story)
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Los Angeles Price goto 20 points from Norvel Pelle to defeat Mission Hills Alemany, 66-61. Max Guercy scored 21 points for Alemany.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/varsitytimesinsider/2011/01/boys-basketball-zena-edosomwan-is-rising-prospect.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+VarsityTimesInsider+%28Varsity+Times+Insider%29 (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/varsitytimesinsider/2011/01/boys-basketball-zena-edosomwan-is-rising-prospect.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+VarsityTimesInsider+%28Varsity+Times+Insider%29)
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Game clips on the video, as well....
ESPNLA.COM: Introduction to Norvel Pelle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j65jRX152eA#ws)
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Looks lazy in that video
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Looks lazy in that video
He does seem to do a lot of standing around and just asking for the ball instead of moving and getting himself open. The staff will have to change a lot his bad habits.
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I love the fact that he has the ability to use both hands to finish around the rim.
Norvel is a special talent.
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When I was watching the videoI wasn't thinking he was lazy, I couldn't believe the other team would let him stand so close to the basket without a body on him. Thanks MJ, enjoyed the video
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When I was watching the videoI wasn't thinking he was lazy, I couldn't believe the other team would let him stand so close to the basket without a body on him. Thanks MJ, enjoyed the video
No problem, TONY. I also didn't think he was lazy. No one was bodying him up, so he really didn't have to work to get the ball. He raised his hands a couple of times and that is the most you can ask from a guy in the post. Had he was playing on the perimeter then I would probably say he needs to learn how to move without the ball.
He's very active on the defensive end, so I'd throw the "lazy" term out of the window. I like that he's also ambidextrous.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/preps/post/_/id/5975/prices-norvel-pelle-draws-plenty-of-attention (http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/preps/post/_/id/5975/prices-norvel-pelle-draws-plenty-of-attention)
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Price played last night in the Nike Extraganza in Orange County (CA)They played in a game following the Long Beach Poly Bishop Gorman game which was televised on ESPN. I am in capable of finding stats or writeup on game
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Price played last night in the Nike Extraganza in Orange County (CA)They played in a game following the Long Beach Poly Bishop Gorman game which was televised on ESPN. I am in capable of finding stats or writeup on game
Is this what you're looking for?
http://www.maxpreps.com/news/x5uiSDGlEeCkhgAcxJSkrA/nike-extravaganza-boys--mater-dei-starts,-finishes-fast.htm (http://www.maxpreps.com/news/x5uiSDGlEeCkhgAcxJSkrA/nike-extravaganza-boys--mater-dei-starts,-finishes-fast.htm)
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When the third-seeded Spartans step on the floor of the Anaheim Arena in the championship game of the CIF-Southern Section Division 3AA boys basketball playoffs Thursday, they’ll face not one, but two players headed to big time Division I programs next fall.
There’s 6-foot-10 center Norvel Pelle, a five-star prospect and the No. 2 ranked center in the nation according to Rivals.com. Pelle committed to St. John’s in November. Then there’s the matter of 6-foot shooting guard Askia Booker, a three-star recruit headed to Colorado.
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Phil Greene and Norvel Pelle are participating in Next All-American Classic High School All Star game in Chicago April 3.
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Per ESPN Recruiting (Joel Francisco).... Pelle was listed amongst his top players out west.
Norvel Pelle, PF (Long Beach, Calif./Price)
In terms of size, length and bounce Pelle is at the top of the charts. However, until he decides he wants to be a player (suspensions, missed practices, etc.) all the physical gifts are meaningless at this point.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=6296382 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=6296382)
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Per ESPN Recruiting (Joel Francisco).... Pelle was listed amongst his top players out west.
Norvel Pelle, PF (Long Beach, Calif./Price)
In terms of size, length and bounce Pelle is at the top of the charts. However, until he decides he wants to be a player (suspensions, missed practices, etc.) all the physical gifts are meaningless at this point.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=6296382 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=6296382)
I think Dunlap can straighten him out! All kidding aside I think the coaches will have to address the maturation process of the team very closely. Usually you have older players on a team who can guide the younger players and teach them the ropes. Next year we really won't have that luxury. I actually think it would behoove Lavin to keep a guy like Boothe as a graduate assistant, to have a role model on the team that the players could relate to and learn from.
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I think Dunlap can straighten him out! All kidding aside I think the coaches will have to address the maturation process of the team very closely. Usually you have older players on a team who can guide the younger players and teach them the ropes. Next year we really won't have that luxury. I actually think it would behoove Lavin to keep a guy like Boothe as a graduate assistant, to have a role model on the team that the players could relate to and learn from.
Although, Polee will only be a sophomore.... He could've picked up a few valuable lessons from some of the older guys from this past season. I think Polee could be a sufficient role model to the freshmen. To be honest, maturation isn't always due to being older. Yes, it can help in many cases, but that isn't always the case. Boothe could be a good role model. I don't disagree with you on that one. I just feel we'll be alright with our staff and someone like Polee.
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Per ESPN Recruiting (Joel Francisco).... Pelle was listed amongst his top players out west.
Norvel Pelle, PF (Long Beach, Calif./Price)
In terms of size, length and bounce Pelle is at the top of the charts. However, until he decides he wants to be a player (suspensions, missed practices, etc.) all the physical gifts are meaningless at this point.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=6296382 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=6296382)
Like many others, he's had issues with Pelle's behavior. Joel just hasn't been afraid to call him out on it. Pelle's got all the physical tools. The staff is going to have its hands full with some of the personalities, expectations, and playing time.
Quick, somebody cue up a well-edited YouTube video. ;)
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Interesting you mentioned boothe kjd, bc I've been thinking the same thing regarding DJ. I'm assuming DJ is going to need to rehab his knee and I was guessing he'd be doing it around here. DJ could be a great influence on these young guys and show them the way of the big east.
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Although, Polee will only be a sophomore.... He could've picked up a few valuable lessons from some of the older guys from this past season. I think Polee could be a sufficient role model to the freshmen. To be honest, maturation isn't always due to being older. Yes, it can help in many cases, but that isn't always the case. Boothe could be a good role model. I don't disagree with you on that one. I just feel we'll be alright with our staff and someone like Polee.
I agree Polee should be a help and in an interview after the season he already hinted that he is ready to step up and take this role. I also agree that we have a great staff that will do an excellent job in helping all the new guys. I have no idea how big of an issue this will be but I think it is something we will have to watch and take note of.
Interesting you mentioned boothe kjd, bc I've been thinking the same thing regarding DJ. I'm assuming DJ is going to need to rehab his knee and I was guessing he'd be doing it around here. DJ could be a great influence on these young guys and show them the way of the big east.
I think dj would do a great job as well. I simply chose boothe because he was a good leader and I don't think he has the talent to play any further in his career (although Lawrence is still playing so there are always opportunities).
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Norvel Pelle Message To St Johns Fans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQH-E_Dtjs4#)
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good to see he has an extensive vocabulary. hope he can play better than he can form a complete sentence
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good to see he has an extensive vocabulary. hope he can play better than he can form a complete sentence
You can tell he was just clowning around. He seems like a fairly intelligent kid the other couple of times I've heard him speak. Lighten up.
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good to see he has an extensive vocabulary. hope he can play better than he can form a complete sentence
He was just waiting for Neal to respond ....St. John's so he kept repeating We Are...
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good to see he has an extensive vocabulary. hope he can play better than he can form a complete sentence
Jeez cut the kid some slack. Couldn't you see he was just kidding around.
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Pelle's seemingly lackadaisical attitude is slightly concerning to me. I hope it's a West Coast thing. He reminds me of Zendon Hamilton--lanky and athletic. Zendon never bulked up to bang under the boards, but if Pelle has a similar college career, then he's worth the hype.
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Pelle's seemingly lackadaisical attitude is slightly concerning to me. I hope it's a West Coast thing. He reminds me of Zendon Hamilton--lanky and athletic. Zendon never bulked up to bang under the boards, but if Pelle has a similar college career, then he's worth the hype.
Yup he's tall and thin... must be the same as Zendon. He's black too, maybe that means they are even more alike... ::) Give the kid to get into the college system, practice and play first before you judge a few youtube clips. Kids mature plenty. Our biggest star Chris Mullin was an alcoholic wild-man in his days at SJU. Many others were even worse. Give him time here at SJU before he gets judgement handed down.
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Pelle's seemingly lackadaisical attitude is slightly concerning to me. I hope it's a West Coast thing. He reminds me of Zendon Hamilton--lanky and athletic. Zendon never bulked up to bang under the boards, but if Pelle has a similar college career, then he's worth the hype.
Yup he's tall and thin... must be the same as Zendon. He's black too, maybe that means they are even more alike... ::) Give the kid to get into the college system, practice and play first before you judge a few youtube clips. Kids mature plenty. Our biggest star Chris Mullin was an alcoholic wild-man in his days at SJU. Many others were even worse. Give him time here at SJU before he gets judgement handed down.
Hey, take an anger management pill. Comparing Pelle to Hamilton was meant as a compliment. I just graduated SJU when Zendon was a freshman, and watching the clips of Pelle reminds me of a young Hamilton. At this stage of the game, most of us are commenting on these boards because it's fun to speculate how good these kids will be until the season kicks off.
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Well Zendon wasn't known for being the sharpest tool in the shed so I didn't really read it as a compliment either when you referred to his "lackadaisical attitude"
Perhaps we'll chalk it up to poor phrasing if it wasn't intended to be as critical. The guy who interviewed him, Neal is a fun guy, they were obviously palling around. There are other videos of Pelle out there where he is in a more serious atmosphere.
Regardless I can't wait to see him and Polee catching oops all day. We have to think of a cool nickname for the pair.
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Well Zendon wasn't known for being the sharpest tool in the shed so I didn't really read it as a compliment either when you referred to his "lackadaisical attitude"
Perhaps we'll chalk it up to poor phrasing if it wasn't intended to be as critical. The guy who interviewed him, Neal is a fun guy, they were obviously palling around. There are other videos of Pelle out there where he is in a more serious atmosphere.
Regardless I can't wait to see him and Polee catching oops all day. We have to think of a cool nickname for the pair.
Wasn't commenting on Pelle's intelligence, or Hamilton's for that matter, just their playing style. Pelle's upside seems ridiculous, and I just hope we can see him achieve it. I'll start thinking about a nickname for Pelle/Polee.
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Pelle seems like the type of kid that needs to have a close relationship with a coach that constantly pushes him and I think he and Dunlap are going to hit it off.
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Norvel is the #1 center in the country according to rivals!!!
http://rivals.yahoo.com/stjohns/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2427 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/stjohns/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2427)
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Norvel is the #1 center in the country according to rivals!!!
http://rivals.yahoo.com/stjohns/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2427 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/stjohns/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2427)
Wow Next year is going to be a continuation of uprising of this Program!!!!!
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Norvel Pelle Brings his Hollywood Talent to St. Johns
From the City of Angels hails another shining star who is making his way to the bright lights of New York City.
Norvel Pelle of Price High School (CA) joins Amir Garrett and Dwayne Polee II as the third recruit from the Golden State to come to Queens in Steve Lavin’s one full year with St. John’s.
Pelle began his high school career at Dominguez (CA), famous for alumni like Dallas Mavericks’ center Tyson Chandler and Milwaukee Bucks’ Brandon Jennings, before transferring to Price. The 6’10” Pelle is bringing his long, lanky frame to the Red Storm, a team for which he believes the sky is the limit.
“I picked [St. John’s] because I felt it would be a perfect situation,” said Pelle. “Having a whole new team and a new coaching staff, we would have a chance to rebuild St. John’s.”
Continue Reading Below
http://johnnyjungle.com/columns/over-the-airwaves/norvel-pelle-brings-his-hollywood-talent-to-st-johns/ (http://johnnyjungle.com/columns/over-the-airwaves/norvel-pelle-brings-his-hollywood-talent-to-st-johns/)
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surprised no chatter on Norvel's comments
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pelle is the biggest suprise coming into next season for me. He could really make us a legitimate threat if he can board and block shots at a big east level.
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pelle is the biggest suprise coming into next season for me. He could really make us a legitimate threat if he can board and block shots at a big east level.
A young Patrick Ewing?
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The first thing I thought when I saw his video was Kevin Garnett. Definitely reminds me of a young KG. Hopefully he is half the player Garnett was and we'll have a good one.
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pelle is the biggest suprise coming into next season for me. He could really make us a legitimate threat if he can board and block shots at a big east level.
A young Patrick Ewing?
i dont see ewing as much as i see garnett. Hes got more of that body
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pelle is the biggest suprise coming into next season for me. He could really make us a legitimate threat if he can board and block shots at a big east level.
A young Patrick Ewing?
i dont see ewing as much as i see garnett. Hes got more of that body
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/849/814/pat-ewing-georgetown_display_image.jpg?1302491211)
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haha you got me there baldi
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pelle is the biggest suprise coming into next season for me. He could really make us a legitimate threat if he can board and block shots at a big east level.
A young Patrick Ewing?
i dont see ewing as much as i see garnett. Hes got more of that body
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/849/814/pat-ewing-georgetown_display_image.jpg?1302491211)
At risk of ogling a dude's physique too much... I think Norvel is skinnier in his frame than young Ewing, from the videos and photos that are out there.
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Anyone know what his story is? I read the recent article here and I know he switched high schools. I think I remember hearing part of the reason he committed to St. John's was he wanted to go far away from home because of problems he had there. I've also been following him on twitter and he seems to have some pretty negative comments. For example:
"Alot of fake ppl keep surrounding me man I need to go get out of here"
"If only ppl knew wht is goin on in my life. But its all goid dnt need no one being sorry for me."
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According ti Rivals, Norvel is presently rated as the #1 center in the country over Rakeem Christmas.
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According ti Rivals, Norvel is presently rated as the #1 center in the country over Rakeem Christmas.
Good to see ya here realfan!
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Thanks Marco, but I am sure that is not how everyone else here feels. lol
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Neal Nieves Reporting on twitter Pelle will prep rather than be at St. John's next year. This would be an epic disaster if accurate.
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Neal Nieves Reporting on twitter Pelle will prep rather than be at St. John's next year. This would be an epic disaster if accurate.
Please God don't let this be true. :-\
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Neal Nieves Reporting on twitter Pelle will prep rather than be at St. John's next year. This would be an epic disaster if accurate.
Wow and we thought size up front was an issue before. He isn't our best recruit but he maybe the one we could least afford to lose at this point. We need his size up front because that leaves only GG as our one true big man. If this is true we may need to get another big man somehow or we are in some trouble.
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In serious trouble if this is true. GG is not known as a shot blocker and basically we now have him and Sampson as our big guys and that is it. ANd it's not like Sampson is built to play against BE fours right away.
We better get used to the zone, which isnt great for rebounding anyway. Add in the lack of size, little shotblocking and the trouble well be in when Sampson or GG get in foul trouble makes this a huge loss.
Plus why would Pelle choose to prep now? I just dont see the reason yet, if it's grades that's fine. If not, i doubt he ever steps on campus.
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i hope its not true but like 2 weeks ago there was speculation sampson was gonna prep hope this is B.S too
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True, and we know Steve is good recruiter. Need to have him get in Pelle's ear and persuade him to get to queens next year.
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That effing blows. It seems a grades issue. I hope he stays committed. We're absolutely screwed for this season though, as God's gift is not nearly enough for the 4/5 spots. It's tough enough to try to fill a 10 man class, then losing a top player like this. I hope everything with Harkless ends up ok. In addition, Lavin needs to add somebody up front. We can't enter next season with 9 guys and no real centers on the roster. Monstrous loss.
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With Pelle prepping we're going to have to reach out to a guy like Keith Coleman who's still on the board. Don't think we can go into the big east with our lack of size up front.
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Scratch that, keith Coleman heading to JC.
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norvel just posted on twitter " false info leads to false reports " 14 min ago. hopefully he'll suit up for us this year
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norvel just posted on twitter " false info leads to false reports " 14 min ago. hopefully he'll suit up for us this year
4:00 AM local time?
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norvel just posted on twitter " false info leads to false reports " 14 min ago. hopefully he'll suit up for us this year
Saw that...hope so
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That would be the real first bad news of the Lavin era. Hope it's false.
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norvel just posted on twitter " false info leads to false reports " 14 min ago. hopefully he'll suit up for us this year
I hope so much that he is eligible and can play.
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Although I trust Nieves, Pelle has said some things on social media sites that lead me to believe he'll be on campus. On Facebook just 9 hours ago he is telling a coach of his he has summer school in NY in July. Just a couple days back he contacted Nuri on Twitter just to check in and also conversed with Moe, Amir, Dom and Jakarr. I'm gonna hope Nieves just had a bad source on this one.
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Bad sources can happen to the best of 'em. I trust Neal, but Pelle is shooting this one down himself.
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Although I trust Nieves, Pelle has said some things on social media sites that lead me to believe he'll be on campus. On Facebook just 9 hours ago he is telling a coach of his he has summer school in NY in July. Just a couple days back he contacted Nuri on Twitter just to check in and also conversed with Moe, Amir, Dom and Jakarr. I'm gonna hope Nieves just had a bad source on this one.
I have to say Neal Nieves is one of the better bloggers out there but on this one his source advised that he would transfer to Findley but no play. That did not make much sense to me, he would not be doing himself any favors with a year of inactivity. If he would not qualify, I would think he would just go Juco so he had options for the NBA next year or overseas or a 4 year school
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norvel just posted on twitter " false info leads to false reports " 14 min ago. hopefully he'll suit up for us this year
4:00 AM local time?
Didn't Pelle come to the the east coast for IS8? Imagine he's still here - summer vacationa and all. If so, why WOULD he come cross country to play ball with his future SJU teammates, if he was planning on going prep next year? No offense to New York, but there IS pretty fair summer ball in the LA area he could have played without the expense of an east coast trip.
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CR, I don't believe he ended up making the trip to IS8.
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Why would Pelle go out of his way to deny this? Nieves probably has a bad source here.
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Why would Pelle go out of his way to deny this? Nieves probably has a bad source here.
I'm leaning towards your analogy.
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It should be pointed out that according to Nieves (and I think I'd seen this independently), Polee and Pelle are good friends. For what it's worth.
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It should be pointed out that according to Nieves (and I think I'd seen this independently), Polee and Pelle are good friends. For what it's worth.
Ok but where can Pelle go? He signed an LOI.
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It should be pointed out that according to Nieves (and I think I'd seen this independently), Polee and Pelle are good friends. For what it's worth.
Ok but where can Pelle go? He signed an LOI.
True. But he COULD, theoretically, go prep or JUCO (or transfer after a year). Can't force a kid to make it to school. Not at all saying that could happen.
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It should be pointed out that according to Nieves (and I think I'd seen this independently), Polee and Pelle are good friends. For what it's worth.
Ok but where can Pelle go? He signed an LOI.
True. But he COULD, theoretically, go prep or JUCO (or transfer after a year). Can't force a kid to make it to school. Not at all saying that could happen.
Yeah but I just can't see him being upset over Polee leaving. At least so much so that he doesn't qualify as a result. I know you werent implying that. But either he has the grades or he doesnt. He claims he does.
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IMO, Pelle is a mega-important recruit for us. This kid screams potential, and we have the right staff to get this kid where he's draftable as a lottery pick in a few years. There aren't a lot of centers out there with the size and athleticism Pelle has. I really hope he makes it to campus this fall. His shotblocking alone is worth it's weight. He'll have the chance to come along slowly with GG here and develop better offensive footwork and a back-to-basket game. THis kid at 6'10" moves like a guard on the fast break. If this staff can get him moving at full speed, he's going to be extremely dangerous.
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If he was upset then why would he come out and say that 'false info leads to false reports'...and why would he be in contact with so many of his fellow recruits on twitter if he was upset...wouldn't he just not say anything?
Pelle seems to really relish the opportunity to get away to NY on the big stage at MSG and play in this system in the Big East...All other speculation is pretty irresponsible and reckless IMO
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Gee when was a "reporter" incorrect on a St. John's recruit? Perhaps it was a week ago when it was reported that we had landed Momo. With today's instant messaging often fact is sacrificed for speed. Hopefully, this is the case with Norvel. We need him.
While the involved "reporter" may have a good track record two things lead me to believe that Norvel will be with us for the 2011-2012 season.
The first is Norvel's own words.
The second is the timing. It is at the end of the school year. If some one was going to go the prep route the alarm signals would have gone off much earlier than this.
As an educator I have worked with both high school and college athletes looking to achieve certain grades to either graduate or stay on a team. It generally never comes down to the last second of a school year.
Norvel is a high profile athlete, so I am sure he, his school, and Coach Lavin have been keeping close tabs on Norvel's academic progress. In Coach Lavin's case, if he thought his prime big man would have troubles making the "grade", he would have gone to Plan B much earlier.
Right now all we have is conjecture and a few words from Norvel.
I believe the worst case scenario, from my experience, would be Norvel taking a Summer course or two either in CA or at St. John's.
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Can't afford to lose this kid. He is by far the one kid we can't do without....God it would be ugly next year (pun intended) up front.
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It should be pointed out that according to Nieves (and I think I'd seen this independently), Polee and Pelle are good friends. For what it's worth.
Ok but where can Pelle go? He signed an LOI.
True. But he COULD, theoretically, go prep or JUCO (or transfer after a year). Can't force a kid to make it to school. Not at all saying that could happen.
Yeah but I just can't see him being upset over Polee leaving. At least so much so that he doesn't qualify as a result. I know you werent implying that. But either he has the grades or he doesnt. He claims he does.
I'm in the camp that believes Norvel's tweet but nowhere did Nieves say the prepping was due to grades. That was an assumption made on this board only.
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It should be pointed out that according to Nieves (and I think I'd seen this independently), Polee and Pelle are good friends. For what it's worth.
Ok but where can Pelle go? He signed an LOI.
True. But he COULD, theoretically, go prep or JUCO (or transfer after a year). Can't force a kid to make it to school. Not at all saying that could happen.
Yeah but I just can't see him being upset over Polee leaving. At least so much so that he doesn't qualify as a result. I know you werent implying that. But either he has the grades or he doesnt. He claims he does.
I'm in the camp that believes Norvel's tweet but nowhere did Nieves say the prepping was due to grades. That was an assumption made on this board only.
It's about academics. (as much as it's about anything)
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It should be pointed out that according to Nieves (and I think I'd seen this independently), Polee and Pelle are good friends. For what it's worth.
Ok but where can Pelle go? He signed an LOI.
True. But he COULD, theoretically, go prep or JUCO (or transfer after a year). Can't force a kid to make it to school. Not at all saying that could happen.
Yeah but I just can't see him being upset over Polee leaving. At least so much so that he doesn't qualify as a result. I know you werent implying that. But either he has the grades or he doesnt. He claims he does.
I'm in the camp that believes Norvel's tweet but nowhere did Nieves say the prepping was due to grades. That was an assumption made on this board only.
Usually kids only prep to gain strength, experience, increase their rankings or grades. A kid as highly ranked as him would only prep for grades I think. I think it was mentioned earlier this year he missed some games because of grades.
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i think if he was prepping next year it wouldve came out by now
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Anxiously waiting for Dave to give the "this is a non-issue" post like he did with Harkless!
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Anxiously waiting for Dave to give the "this is a non-issue" post like he did with Harkless!
Non issue
http://johnnyjungle.com/news/latest-on-rumors-of-st-johns-norvel-pelle-being-ineligible/ (http://johnnyjungle.com/news/latest-on-rumors-of-st-johns-norvel-pelle-being-ineligible/)
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Anxiously waiting for Dave to give the "this is a non-issue" post like he did with Harkless!
Non issue
http://johnnyjungle.com/news/latest-on-rumors-of-st-johns-norvel-pelle-being-ineligible/ (http://johnnyjungle.com/news/latest-on-rumors-of-st-johns-norvel-pelle-being-ineligible/)
In addition, Pelle tweeted that he's in class today, so certainly nothing in the way of bad news. I believe Pelle will likely be eligible.
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Just to add about Pelle. I was watching a lot of his video clips. It is mentioned that his defense is ahead of his offense, but one thing that stands our to me is his ability to finish on offense with both hands. He's got a great ability to both finish on offense with the proper hand as well as when on defense. Pelle's limitations are primarily with regards to footwork, coaching and effort. Most "raw" players and especially centers, only go one direction with one hand. If Dunlap works with this kid and gets him to focus, I think he can become an offensive killer in the post as well. He has great hands as well. He has the tools to dominate there if he learns the game better and takes it seriously.
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Anxiously waiting for Dave to give the "this is a non-issue" post like he did with Harkless!
Non issue
http://johnnyjungle.com/news/latest-on-rumors-of-st-johns-norvel-pelle-being-ineligible/ (http://johnnyjungle.com/news/latest-on-rumors-of-st-johns-norvel-pelle-being-ineligible/)
In addition, Pelle tweeted that he's in class today, so certainly nothing in the way of bad news. I believe Pelle will likely be eligible.
I think I heard from someone he tweeted about getting to STJ on July 11th.
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Anxiously waiting for Dave to give the "this is a non-issue" post like he did with Harkless!
Non issue
http://johnnyjungle.com/news/latest-on-rumors-of-st-johns-norvel-pelle-being-ineligible/ (http://johnnyjungle.com/news/latest-on-rumors-of-st-johns-norvel-pelle-being-ineligible/)
In addition, Pelle tweeted that he's in class today, so certainly nothing in the way of bad news. I believe Pelle will likely be eligible.
I think I heard from someone he tweeted about getting to STJ on July 11th.
I looked at his tweets. He certainly did say that. Also said he was finishing up school prior to that. All signs pointing to him being eligible and at SJU in July, which is great news.
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Just to add about Pelle. I was watching a lot of his video clips. It is mentioned that his defense is ahead of his offense, but one thing that stands our to me is his ability to finish on offense with both hands. He's got a great ability to both finish on offense with the proper hand as well as when on defense. Pelle's limitations are primarily with regards to footwork, coaching and effort. Most "raw" players and especially centers, only go one direction with one hand. If Dunlap works with this kid and gets him to focus, I think he can become an offensive killer in the post as well. He has great hands as well. He has the tools to dominate there if he learns the game better and takes it seriously.
He also seems to have the ability to hit shots outside of the paint. It's obviously not his bread and butter, but something he can do and probably will improve on once he gets to St. John's. He could become a very dangerous player, if he continues to hone his short jumper.
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Just to add about Pelle. I was watching a lot of his video clips. It is mentioned that his defense is ahead of his offense, but one thing that stands our to me is his ability to finish on offense with both hands. He's got a great ability to both finish on offense with the proper hand as well as when on defense. Pelle's limitations are primarily with regards to footwork, coaching and effort. Most "raw" players and especially centers, only go one direction with one hand. If Dunlap works with this kid and gets him to focus, I think he can become an offensive killer in the post as well. He has great hands as well. He has the tools to dominate there if he learns the game better and takes it seriously.
He also seems to have the ability to hit shots outside of the paint. It's obviously not his bread and butter, but something he can do and probably will improve on once he gets to St. John's. He could become a very dangerous player, if he continues to hone his short jumper.
He has a nice touch. Can even hit outside shots. I just do not want to see him get enamored of a role on the wing. I like the idea of him being able to take and make 10 footers. He'd be tough to stop if he can do so. He has a nice shooting stroke, so I don't think it will be a problem if he works hard at it.
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Per National Recruiting Spotlight.... Norvel Pelle interview.
http://recruitingspotlight.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/norvel-pelle-st-johns-interview-transcript/ (http://recruitingspotlight.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/norvel-pelle-st-johns-interview-transcript/)
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Norvel sounds like the real deal.
A very good interview! We are lucky to get him.
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Per National Recruiting Spotlight.... Norvel Pelle interview.
http://recruitingspotlight.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/norvel-pelle-st-johns-interview-transcript/ (http://recruitingspotlight.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/norvel-pelle-st-johns-interview-transcript/)
Norvel and Gg may just be enough down low this season - some determined dudes... :knuppel2:
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Per National Recruiting Spotlight.... Norvel Pelle interview.
http://recruitingspotlight.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/norvel-pelle-st-johns-interview-transcript/ (http://recruitingspotlight.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/norvel-pelle-st-johns-interview-transcript/)
Norvel and Gg may just be enough down low this season - some determined dudes... :knuppel2:
"just enough"?? Fwiw it's worth per rivals we have the #1 center recruit in the country and one of the top ranked PF/C 's coming inmwith God's gift. I'd say we're entering the season in decent shape, even though we're young in the post. One tall, slender shot blocker, one tank.
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Per National Recruiting Spotlight.... Norvel Pelle interview.
http://recruitingspotlight.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/norvel-pelle-st-johns-interview-transcript/ (http://recruitingspotlight.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/norvel-pelle-st-johns-interview-transcript/)
Norvel and Gg may just be enough down low this season - some determined dudes... :knuppel2:
"just enough"?? Fwiw it's worth per rivals we have the #1 center recruit in the country and one of the top ranked PF/C 's coming inmwith God's gift. I'd say we're entering the season in decent shape, even though we're young in the post. One tall, slender shot blocker, one tank.
The team will need more than that. Squads like Georgetown and Seton Hall and Rutgers have 4+ man rotations in the post - they'll stay fresh and be physical.
I don't think it'll be enough. If Gathers is actually thinking of coming for 2011, and comes to St. John's, that won't be enough - but it will be much closer.
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The team will need more than that. Squads like Georgetown and Seton Hall and Rutgers have 4+ man rotations in the post - they'll stay fresh and be physical.
I don't think it'll be enough. If Gathers is actually thinking of coming for 2011, and comes to St. John's, that won't be enough - but it will be much closer.
Seton Hall (Pope and Johnson) and Rutgers (Biruta and Jack) may have guys in the post who could cause some trouble, but G'town's post men doesn't do it for me. Not to mention, I don't really four bigs from either Seton Hall or Rutgers seriously being a threat. IMO, two at the most.
IMO, I believe Pelle, GG and to an extent, Sampson, will be able to hold their own. If, we were to add Gathers for 2011 (which, it seems like he's gonna stay in the class of 2012) then that would be enough going forward.
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The team will need more than that. Squads like Georgetown and Seton Hall and Rutgers have 4+ man rotations in the post - they'll stay fresh and be physical.
I don't think it'll be enough. If Gathers is actually thinking of coming for 2011, and comes to St. John's, that won't be enough - but it will be much closer.
Seton Hall (Pope and Johnson) and Rutgers (Biruta and Jack) may have guys in the post who could cause some trouble, but G'town's post men doesn't do it for me. Not to mention, I don't really four bigs from either Seton Hall or Rutgers seriously being a threat. IMO, two at the most.
IMO, I believe Pelle, GG and to an extent, Sampson, will be able to hold their own. If, we were to add Gathers for 2011 (which, it seems like he's gonna stay in the class of 2012) then that would be enough going forward.
It's not about all 4 being a threat. It's about having depth to rotate when there's foul trouble, being able to withstand injuries, et cetera. We'll have our differing opinions on this; to me, the Johnnies had better play some very good perimeter defense and force turnovers to mitigate the lack of bodies in the post. I mentioned squads with okay big men, but deep rotations; Cuse and Connecticut and Louisville will be problems inside, too - but they'll be problems for everyone. And if Mike Brey releases his trio of 6'9" big men...
I think Pelle will be nice. And I hope you're right. But I think Pelle and GG, even if they're a 2 man rotation, will run into trouble with fouls or ineffectiveness.
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The team will need more than that. Squads like Georgetown and Seton Hall and Rutgers have 4+ man rotations in the post - they'll stay fresh and be physical.
I don't think it'll be enough. If Gathers is actually thinking of coming for 2011, and comes to St. John's, that won't be enough - but it will be much closer.
Seton Hall (Pope and Johnson) and Rutgers (Biruta and Jack) may have guys in the post who could cause some trouble, but G'town's post men doesn't do it for me. Not to mention, I don't really four bigs from either Seton Hall or Rutgers seriously being a threat. IMO, two at the most.
IMO, I believe Pelle, GG and to an extent, Sampson, will be able to hold their own. If, we were to add Gathers for 2011 (which, it seems like he's gonna stay in the class of 2012) then that would be enough going forward.
It's not about all 4 being a threat. It's about having depth to rotate when there's foul trouble, being able to withstand injuries, et cetera. We'll have our differing opinions on this; to me, the Johnnies had better play some very good perimeter defense and force turnovers to mitigate the lack of bodies in the post. I mentioned squads with okay big men, but deep rotations; Cuse and Connecticut and Louisville will be problems inside, too - but they'll be problems for everyone. And if Mike Brey releases his trio of 6'9" big men...
I think Pelle will be nice. And I hope you're right. But I think Pelle and GG, even if they're a 2 man rotation, will run into trouble with fouls or ineffectiveness.
In some cases, depth isn't worth looking down the bench. For instance, let's say The Hall's and Rutgers's 3rd and 4th bigs are in the mold of Tomas Jasiulionis and Dele Coker. Would you actually consider it to be depth? I'm just using an example on how depth isn't worth the coach looking down his bench.
I know 'Cuse, UCONN and Louisville will pose threats with their bigs. I'm sure there will be situations where Pelle and GG will encounter foul trouble; be ineffective or both. I also feel confident in saying there will be a few games where we get sufficient play from our frontcourt. Not to mention, we're gonna put a very, long and athletic bunch on the floor. I think our zone will be a bit tougher to deal with with this incoming bunch.
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The team will need more than that. Squads like Georgetown and Seton Hall and Rutgers have 4+ man rotations in the post - they'll stay fresh and be physical.
I don't think it'll be enough. If Gathers is actually thinking of coming for 2011, and comes to St. John's, that won't be enough - but it will be much closer.
Seton Hall (Pope and Johnson) and Rutgers (Biruta and Jack) may have guys in the post who could cause some trouble, but G'town's post men doesn't do it for me. Not to mention, I don't really four bigs from either Seton Hall or Rutgers seriously being a threat. IMO, two at the most.
IMO, I believe Pelle, GG and to an extent, Sampson, will be able to hold their own. If, we were to add Gathers for 2011 (which, it seems like he's gonna stay in the class of 2012) then that would be enough going forward.
It's not about all 4 being a threat. It's about having depth to rotate when there's foul trouble, being able to withstand injuries, et cetera. We'll have our differing opinions on this; to me, the Johnnies had better play some very good perimeter defense and force turnovers to mitigate the lack of bodies in the post. I mentioned squads with okay big men, but deep rotations; Cuse and Connecticut and Louisville will be problems inside, too - but they'll be problems for everyone. And if Mike Brey releases his trio of 6'9" big men...
I think Pelle will be nice. And I hope you're right. But I think Pelle and GG, even if they're a 2 man rotation, will run into trouble with fouls or ineffectiveness.
In some cases, depth isn't worth looking down the bench. For instance, let's say The Hall's and Rutgers's 3rd and 4th bigs are in the mold of Tomas Jasiulionis and Dele Coker. Would you actually consider it to be depth? I'm just using an example on how depth isn't worth the coach looking down his bench.
I know 'Cuse, UCONN and Louisville will pose threats with their bigs. I'm sure there will be situations where Pelle and GG will encounter foul trouble; be ineffective or both. I also feel confident in saying there will be a few games where we get sufficient play from our frontcourt. Not to mention, we're gonna put a very, long and athletic bunch on the floor. I think our zone will be a bit tougher to deal with with this incoming bunch.
Who does Syracuse have in the post if Melo is convicted? Nobody except Keita. Seton Hall? You've got to be kidding me. Pope and Geramipoor...maybe the PF Mobley? Uconn aside from Oriakhi has nobody except some big German named Eunuch Wolf. Not afraid of any Eunuch's. ;) RU has some decent young bigs, but nothing to be scared of. We have Pelle, GG and Jakarr which, while we could use ne more like Gathers, is not bad at all compared to most of our competition.
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Marcus, you forgot Rakeem Christmas on Syracuse but in essence you're right. Big men are hard to come by in college hoops. That said Sampson's supposedly not a true big either so I think what folks are saying is STJ is going into the season with two bigs and that can be tough. Most BE teams have a few 6-7/8 guys like Sampson that can be used as bigs in a pinch and you're not counting them on the other teams.
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When was the last time Syracuse didn't have enough size?
Don't forget they'll probably get that big man from Detroit back from a medical redshift.
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cj fair is gonna be a beast for the cuse
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When was the last time Syracuse didn't have enough size?
Don't forget they'll probably get that big man from Detroit back from a medical redshift.
DaShonte Riley.... He transferred to Eastern Michigan. He followed 'Cuse assistant coach, Rob Murphy, who took the head job at EMU.
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cj fair is gonna be a beast for the cuse
He's one of those guys I was thinking of when I made that comment about Sampson. Unprototypical big guys who don't play the big guy position like him, Roscoe Smith, Kev Jones and Kilicli at WVU, Swopshire, even Jae Crowder and others down the line.
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We will have more quality bigs this year than last year, and we know how last years team performed. This is Lavin's first recruiting class, give him some time, he'll bring in the bigs.
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Marcus, you forgot Rakeem Christmas on Syracuse but in essence you're right. Big men are hard to come by in college hoops. That said Sampson's supposedly not a true big either so I think what folks are saying is STJ is going into the season with two bigs and that can be tough. Most BE teams have a few 6-7/8 guys like Sampson that can be used as bigs in a pinch and you're not counting them on the other teams.
Yank, I have news for you. Jakarr is the same size as Christmas.
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Marcus, you forgot Rakeem Christmas on Syracuse but in essence you're right. Big men are hard to come by in college hoops. That said Sampson's supposedly not a true big either so I think what folks are saying is STJ is going into the season with two bigs and that can be tough. Most BE teams have a few 6-7/8 guys like Sampson that can be used as bigs in a pinch and you're not counting them on the other teams.
Yank, I have news for you. Jakarr is the same size as Christmas.
That would be nice though everything I read has Rakeem 1-2 inches taller and 10-30 pounds heavier. That said everything I read also lists Christmas as a C and Sampson as a SF and that's really the important point.
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Marcus, you forgot Rakeem Christmas on Syracuse but in essence you're right. Big men are hard to come by in college hoops. That said Sampson's supposedly not a true big either so I think what folks are saying is STJ is going into the season with two bigs and that can be tough. Most BE teams have a few 6-7/8 guys like Sampson that can be used as bigs in a pinch and you're not counting them on the other teams.
Yank, I have news for you. Jakarr is the same size as Christmas.
That would be nice though everything I read has Rakeem 1-2 inches taller and 10-30 pounds heavier. That said everything I read also lists Christmas as a C and Sampson as a SF and that's really the important point.
It's not and you're wrong. Christmas is 6'8" and a PF. Jakarr is 6'8" and a SF/PF. I remember at one point I saw Khem birch reported at 6'11 when he first came on the scene, but he too is a PF at about 6'8". I could care less who is 10lbs heavier. Jakarr is the same size but has the ability to drive around guys like Christmas.
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Marcus, you forgot Rakeem Christmas on Syracuse but in essence you're right. Big men are hard to come by in college hoops. That said Sampson's supposedly not a true big either so I think what folks are saying is STJ is going into the season with two bigs and that can be tough. Most BE teams have a few 6-7/8 guys like Sampson that can be used as bigs in a pinch and you're not counting them on the other teams.
Yank, I have news for you. Jakarr is the same size as Christmas.
That would be nice though everything I read has Rakeem 1-2 inches taller and 10-30 pounds heavier. That said everything I read also lists Christmas as a C and Sampson as a SF and that's really the important point.
It's not and you're wrong. Christmas is 6'8" and a PF. Jakarr is 6'8" and a SF/PF. I remember at one point I saw Khem birch reported at 6'11 when he first came on the scene, but he too is a PF at about 6'8". I could care less who is 10lbs heavier. Jakarr is the same size but has the ability to drive around guys like Christmas.
Just an old UCLA fan here - Jakarr is the exact same size as Ed 0'Bannon, and has TWO healthy legs (Ed had his ACL replaced by a tendon from a cadaver prior to his freshman year). All Ed was able to do was carry the Bruins to the NCAA Championship, and win College Player of the year - as a 6'8 205 lb Power Forward. He easily got the better of guys like "Big Nasty" Corliss Williamson in the finals, Shareef Abdur-Rahim in conference. And that was a great year for 4's - Rasheed Wallace, Joe Smith, Antonio McDeyss, Kurt Thomas, Alan Henderson, Antoine Walker, John Wallace, Roy Rodgers, Jerome WIlliams, Malik Rose...
If Jakarr ends up as our PF (I have NO idea how this all shakes out in practice - I think Pelle starts for sure at the 5, but maybe Steve will want Norvell and GG on the court at the same time to get more experience in the lineup), I'm not the least bit worried about a size mismatch. That's one of my greatest peeves - you play the guy with the talent, not the size. If you've got a talented small guy, you don't sit him just cause the opponent is big - you let him take advantage of the bigger, slower, lESS TALENTED body. And of course the same holds true the other way - you don't sit a bigger talented guy because smaller players might take advantage of him with their speed or quickness.
Once upon a time, a huge kid transferred in from JC - a true center. The coach quit that year for an NBA job, and his assistant took over. The new coach refused to play the kid, because, he said, "the smaller centers in the league woul have taken advantage of him with their speed and quickness". Because of that, the Kid, who was healthy all year, was only put into 11 games his senior year, for a TOTAL of 41 minutes. Three years later, 7'4 280 lb Mark Eaton was the NBA Defensive Player of the Year. He'd win that award twice, and be voted All NBA defensive first or 2nd team 5 times in his 10 year NBA career. He'd retire as the NBA's all time leading shot blocker. 18 years later he's still #5 on the all time list, and #1 all time in Blocks per Game.
In his two seasons of College, Mark was allowed to play a total of 196 minutes. It's not like the talent wasn't evident - with what he did in his incredibly limited time on the court (27 blocks, 71 rebs), had he gotten startrs minutes, say 35 a game, that would have worked out to 4.8 blocks per game, and 12.7 rebs per game.
So I always cringe when someone says "too Small" or "too Big" to play a certain position. All I want to know is if he's Talented enuf to play the position.
As big of a Steve Lavin honk as I am, he's not beyond the same kind of prejudice. At UCLA he once passed on a kid who DESPARATELY wanted to come to Westwood - but the kid was only a 6'6 high school center, and Steve didn't think he was big enuf to play PF, let alone center at the high D-1 level. So he never offered the kid, who then signed with Kentucky. If you follow the NBA, in 2010 with Yao Ming injured for the season, the Houston Rockets started Luis Scola for 82 games at PF. started Trevor Ariza for 72 games at SF....and gave all 82 starts as the nominal center to 6'6 Chuck Hayes (he also started 63 game there this past season)....Chuck MAY BE Lav's biggest screw-up in recruiting so far (even tho the move "looked good on paper) - passing on Hayes to sign 7-0 250 Mike Fey....
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Dont worry Lavin Knows to play talent first, if he didnt he would of played Coker more. Good post,however. Its not the size of the dog in the fight , but the size of the fight in the dog.
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Marcus, you forgot Rakeem Christmas on Syracuse but in essence you're right. Big men are hard to come by in college hoops. That said Sampson's supposedly not a true big either so I think what folks are saying is STJ is going into the season with two bigs and that can be tough. Most BE teams have a few 6-7/8 guys like Sampson that can be used as bigs in a pinch and you're not counting them on the other teams.
Yank, I have news for you. Jakarr is the same size as Christmas.
That would be nice though everything I read has Rakeem 1-2 inches taller and 10-30 pounds heavier. That said everything I read also lists Christmas as a C and Sampson as a SF and that's really the important point.
It's not and you're wrong. Christmas is 6'8" and a PF. Jakarr is 6'8" and a SF/PF. I remember at one point I saw Khem birch reported at 6'11 when he first came on the scene, but he too is a PF at about 6'8". I could care less who is 10lbs heavier. Jakarr is the same size but has the ability to drive around guys like Christmas.
First, I'm not wrong. ESPN/Telep, Rivals and Scout are wrong if as you claim Sampson is the same size as Christmas. In my post I said if they were the same size that's great though"cuz Marcus says so" was not necessarily the proof I was looking for.
And what position they play is important even if you think it's not. Jakarr's ability to drive around guys like Christmas is further indication that he's more a 3/4, while Christmas, like his brother, is 4/5. Not evidence supporting your point that they play the same position. FWIW I don't think Christmas could return the favor.
Note I'm not saying that either is better than the other, just that they're different types of players and you can't just throw Sampson in there as proof of SJU's depth at big vs. other teams while ignoring similar guys on other teams that might be forced at times to play big out of position on other teams.
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And now back to Norvel!
Dave and Dan, why do you still have the rumor headline story on Norvel's eligibility on JJ? I believe Norvel will be on campus very soon, so why is that negative stuff still out there? Besides which, the original story said there would be updates. Not to sound flip (or at least too flip), when will be the next update, when he graduates from St. John's or turns pro after this junior year.
I think we are past the point of this ugly rumors being so predominantly displayed on JJ. Time to update, and hopefully, take it down.
I can see why SH and RU posters are spreading the ineligible rumors on our incoming class. They get some of that stuff from our own website.
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Because I don't believe that Norvel has DEFINITELY qualified yet. I hope that's not the case though, but I think it still is.
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Because I don't believe that Norvel has DEFINITELY qualified yet. I hope that's not the case though, but I think it still is.
Dan, so either confirm your rumor or take it off the site. It has been three weeks. Your title states something about updates. Where are the updates? Bring it back once you have followed through.
Norvel's own recruiting history on JJ is a good enough place for eligibility rumors, not main headlines.
I have taught a good number of student-athletes (or is it athlete-students). Any student not making the grade would have been reported to his/her coach by now.
So Norvel's status is known by Coach Lavin. So get a scoop from Coach!
We know that Norvel is not going the prep route, so he is either qualified now, or needs a summer course, which is no big deal. Coach should have that information.
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And now back to Norvel!
Dave and Dan, why do you still have the rumor headline story on Norvel's eligibility on JJ? I believe Norvel will be on campus very soon, so why is that negative stuff still out there? Besides which, the original story said there would be updates. Not to sound flip (or at least too flip), when will be the next update, when he graduates from St. John's or turns pro after this junior year.
I think we are past the point of this ugly rumors being so predominantly displayed on JJ. Time to update, and hopefully, take it down.
I can see why SH and RU posters are spreading the ineligible rumors on our incoming class. They get some of that stuff from our own website.
If you read the article it dispels the rumors with a quote from Norvel. There is nothing negative about it.
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Because I don't believe that Norvel has DEFINITELY qualified yet. I hope that's not the case though, but I think it still is.
Dan, so either confirm your rumor or take it off the site. It has been three weeks. Your title states something about updates. Where are the updates? Bring it back once you have followed through.
Norvel's own recruiting history on JJ is a good enough place for eligibility rumors, not main headlines.
I have taught a good number of student-athletes (or is it athlete-students). Any student not making the grade would have been reported to his/her coach by now.
So Norvel's status is known by Coach Lavin. So get a scoop from Coach!
We know that Norvel is not going the prep route, so he is either qualified now, or needs a summer course, which is no big deal. Coach should have that information.
There is nothing to update on at this point in time. No news is good news.
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Dave,
Please forgive this rather basic question, but should not our SID know the status of Norvel? The dye has been cast, as the grades are in, school is out. Why the mystery?
I do not think there is any privacy issues, as we are not asking for any one's grades. Just who is academically eligible now and who may need some summer help.
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And now back to Norvel!
Dave and Dan, why do you still have the rumor headline story on Norvel's eligibility on JJ? I believe Norvel will be on campus very soon, so why is that negative stuff still out there? Besides which, the original story said there would be updates. Not to sound flip (or at least too flip), when will be the next update, when he graduates from St. John's or turns pro after this junior year.
I think we are past the point of this ugly rumors being so predominantly displayed on JJ. Time to update, and hopefully, take it down.
I can see why SH and RU posters are spreading the ineligible rumors on our incoming class. They get some of that stuff from our own website.
If you read the article it dispels the rumors with a quote from Norvel. There is nothing negative about it.
The title bothers me. So perhaps change the title of the article to "Norvel Pelle squashes rumors of his being ineligible!" Remember, folks tend to read just headlines and not the follow up stories.
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Dave,
Please forgive this rather basic question, but should not our SID know the status of Norvel? The dye has been cast, as the grades are in, school is out. Why the mystery?
I do not think there is any privacy issues, as we are not asking for any one's grades. Just who is academically eligible now and who may need some summer help.
There is a public statement in there from the SID in response to the rumors. The mystery is the NCAA clearinghouse. Some guys need classes, or scores on the boards, and it takes longer to clear them. I wouldn't worry about it.
As for the title. People tend to read articles due to titles in addition to finding them on google. Generally JohnnyJungle.com is #1 or close to #1 result that comes up.
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I'll supplement Dave's info with the fact that SID's rarely give updates on the eligibility of these kids. One statement already made expresses confidence that these kids are/will be eligible, sans curveballs from the NCAA clearinghouse.
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It should be pointed out that according to Nieves (and I think I'd seen this independently), Polee and Pelle are good friends. For what it's worth.
Ok but where can Pelle go? He signed an LOI.
True. But he COULD, theoretically, go prep or JUCO (or transfer after a year). Can't force a kid to make it to school. Not at all saying that could happen.
Yeah but I just can't see him being upset over Polee leaving. At least so much so that he doesn't qualify as a result. I know you werent implying that. But either he has the grades or he doesnt. He claims he does.
I'm in the camp that believes Norvel's tweet but nowhere did Nieves say the prepping was due to grades. That was an assumption made on this board only.
It's about academics. (as much as it's about anything)
FWIW, Nieves said the same thing two weeks ago. He's close with Etop and the Compton Magic (Pelle's AAU team) people. We'll see if he's right. Polee leaving may give Pelle the excuse to head to prep school.
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It should be pointed out that according to Nieves (and I think I'd seen this independently), Polee and Pelle are good friends. For what it's worth.
Ok but where can Pelle go? He signed an LOI.
True. But he COULD, theoretically, go prep or JUCO (or transfer after a year). Can't force a kid to make it to school. Not at all saying that could happen.
Yeah but I just can't see him being upset over Polee leaving. At least so much so that he doesn't qualify as a result. I know you werent implying that. But either he has the grades or he doesnt. He claims he does.
I'm in the camp that believes Norvel's tweet but nowhere did Nieves say the prepping was due to grades. That was an assumption made on this board only.
It's about academics. (as much as it's about anything)
FWIW, Nieves said the same thing two weeks ago. He's close with Etop and the Compton Magic (Pelle's AAU team) people. We'll see if he's right. Polee leaving may give Pelle the excuse to head to prep school.
It's complicated. Everything should work out as both sides are doing everything possible.
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It should be pointed out that according to Nieves (and I think I'd seen this independently), Polee and Pelle are good friends. For what it's worth.
Ok but where can Pelle go? He signed an LOI.
True. But he COULD, theoretically, go prep or JUCO (or transfer after a year). Can't force a kid to make it to school. Not at all saying that could happen.
Yeah but I just can't see him being upset over Polee leaving. At least so much so that he doesn't qualify as a result. I know you werent implying that. But either he has the grades or he doesnt. He claims he does.
I'm in the camp that believes Norvel's tweet but nowhere did Nieves say the prepping was due to grades. That was an assumption made on this board only.
It's about academics. (as much as it's about anything)
FWIW, Nieves said the same thing two weeks ago. He's close with Etop and the Compton Magic (Pelle's AAU team) people. We'll see if he's right. Polee leaving may give Pelle the excuse to head to prep school.
It's complicated. Everything should work out as both sides are doing everything possible.
Well that sure doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.
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It should be pointed out that according to Nieves (and I think I'd seen this independently), Polee and Pelle are good friends. For what it's worth.
Ok but where can Pelle go? He signed an LOI.
True. But he COULD, theoretically, go prep or JUCO (or transfer after a year). Can't force a kid to make it to school. Not at all saying that could happen.
Yeah but I just can't see him being upset over Polee leaving. At least so much so that he doesn't qualify as a result. I know you werent implying that. But either he has the grades or he doesnt. He claims he does.
I'm in the camp that believes Norvel's tweet but nowhere did Nieves say the prepping was due to grades. That was an assumption made on this board only.
It's about academics. (as much as it's about anything)
FWIW, Nieves said the same thing two weeks ago. He's close with Etop and the Compton Magic (Pelle's AAU team) people. We'll see if he's right. Polee leaving may give Pelle the excuse to head to prep school.
It's complicated. Everything should work out as both sides are doing everything possible.
Well that sure doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.
Maybe this is why they want Gathers on campus now?
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Well that sure doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.
Maybe this is why they want Gathers on campus now?
Ditto, Moose. I was thinking the same thing, Baldi.
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This doesn't sound very good at all.
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FWIW, Nieves said the same thing two weeks ago. He's close with Etop and the Compton Magic (Pelle's AAU team) people. We'll see if he's right. Polee leaving may give Pelle the excuse to head to prep school.
How are those 2 (Polee and Pelle) tied together?
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It should be pointed out that according to Nieves (and I think I'd seen this independently), Polee and Pelle are good friends. For what it's worth.
Ok but where can Pelle go? He signed an LOI.
True. But he COULD, theoretically, go prep or JUCO (or transfer after a year). Can't force a kid to make it to school. Not at all saying that could happen.
Yeah but I just can't see him being upset over Polee leaving. At least so much so that he doesn't qualify as a result. I know you werent implying that. But either he has the grades or he doesnt. He claims he does.
I'm in the camp that believes Norvel's tweet but nowhere did Nieves say the prepping was due to grades. That was an assumption made on this board only.
It's about academics. (as much as it's about anything)
FWIW, Nieves said the same thing two weeks ago. He's close with Etop and the Compton Magic (Pelle's AAU team) people. We'll see if he's right. Polee leaving may give Pelle the excuse to head to prep school.
It's complicated. Everything should work out as both sides are doing everything possible.
Well that sure doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.
Maybe this is why they want Gathers on campus now?
Gathers really isn't a substitute for the 6'11" shot-blocking Pelle though. I hope everything works out here.
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Well that sure doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.
Maybe this is why they want Gathers on campus now?
Ditto, Moose. I was thinking the same thing, Baldi.
Gathers has nothing to do with Pelle.
And Polee and Pelle know each other.
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Pelle is still talking about coming July 11 to Queens, if he doesn't arrive on campus then I would worry about it then. He graduated high school and if he did not have a qualifying SAT score, I would assume we would know about it by now.
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Pelle is still talking about coming July 11 to Queens, if he doesn't arrive on campus then I would worry about it then. He graduated high school and if he did not have a qualifying SAT score, I would assume we would know about it by now.
You would be surprised at how many kids are not cleared this early. It happens all the time.
Khem Birch of Pitt is a great example. They are sweating him a bit.
The difference is we never had this type of talent coming in and so we are all paying much closer attention to this then usual. Throw in recent media inventions like Twitter and rumors and innuendo start getting thrown all over the place.
Relax.
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Eric Katenda, a SF/PF going to Notre Dame, is stuck at home because the NCAA is looking into his sophomore transcript. So Fordham is right - let is play out. Other teams are having similar issues (although, on the other hand, it would be great to get Pelle on campus ASAP to let him play in informal pickup games with the guys who are already there or will soon be there - other teams are doing that already, and with a roster filled with new faces, we need all of the time possible to get them to gel).
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Recruit watch 2011...
God's Gift and Harrison on campus. Harkless already here in NY and should be qualified.
Amir, Greene, Pointer headed to NYC tonight.
I guess we're waiting to hear some travel plans for Pelle, Lindsey and Jakarr. Not to look too much into this, but this morning Pelle said he was packing on twitter, but had some cryptic and concerning messages after that which I'd hate to try to interpret. I guess this week we should know about almost all the kids just about.
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Recruit watch 2011...
God's Gift and Harrison on campus. Harkless already here in NY and should be qualified.
Amir, Greene, Pointer headed to NYC tonight.
I guess we're waiting to hear some travel plans for Pelle, Lindsey and Jakarr. Not to look too much into this, but this morning Pelle said he was packing on twitter, but had some cryptic and concerning messages after that which I'd hate to try to interpret. I guess this week we should know about almost all the kids just about.
What did he say?
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Ummmmm, wow:
https://twitter.com/#!/NorvelPelle5 (https://twitter.com/#!/NorvelPelle5)
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hmmm, i wonder what decision he wants to change...and then he has to ask polee a question.
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I wouldnt want to read to much into Pelle"s tweets, last one to Polee, but he don't sound to happy.
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I wouldnt want to read to much into Pelle"s tweets, last one to Polee, but he don't sound to happy.
Could be about a lot of things, that why I don't want to speculate.
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I wouldnt want to read to much into Pelle"s tweets, last one to Polee, but he don't sound to happy.
Could be about a lot of things, that why I don't want to speculate.
"Can Steve Fisher get me qualitized?"
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God I hate twitter
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God I hate twitter
Agree, but it's there. Somebody pointed the Pelle thing out to me earlier in the day so I looked. No idea what it means anyway, but whatever. We'll find out soon enough. Like I said prior, it is quite a feat not only to land the type of class that Lavin did, but having double-digit players qualified and ready to play. Good to hear that most of our guys are on board. Time will tell about the last 3 we haven't heard about in Pelle, Nuri and Jakarr.
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Recruit watch 2011...
God's Gift and Harrison on campus. Harkless already here in NY and should be qualified.
Amir, Greene, Pointer headed to NYC tonight.
I guess we're waiting to hear some travel plans for Pelle, Lindsey and Jakarr. Not to look too much into this, but this morning Pelle said he was packing on twitter, but had some cryptic and concerning messages after that which I'd hate to try to interpret. I guess this week we should know about almost all the kids just about.
Funny but I thought Paccing was PACING haha
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This kids Twitter feed is disturbing, well 6 days and we will know
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Recruit watch 2011...
God's Gift and Harrison on campus. Harkless already here in NY and should be qualified.
Amir, Greene, Pointer headed to NYC tonight.
I guess we're waiting to hear some travel plans for Pelle, Lindsey and Jakarr. Not to look too much into this, but this morning Pelle said he was packing on twitter, but had some cryptic and concerning messages after that which I'd hate to try to interpret. I guess this week we should know about almost all the kids just about.
Funny but I thought Paccing was PACING haha
You've lost all street cred Moose... ;)
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Recruit watch 2011...
God's Gift and Harrison on campus. Harkless already here in NY and should be qualified.
Amir, Greene, Pointer headed to NYC tonight.
I guess we're waiting to hear some travel plans for Pelle, Lindsey and Jakarr. Not to look too much into this, but this morning Pelle said he was packing on twitter, but had some cryptic and concerning messages after that which I'd hate to try to interpret. I guess this week we should know about almost all the kids just about.
Funny but I thought Paccing was PACING haha
You've lost all street cred Moose... ;)
Nah read it again. It could be that ppl had him up early pacing :) Regardless this needs some resolution.
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I bet it's packing...only because he says "Fucc" to mean....well, you know.
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I guess Pelle isnt unflappabble
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I bet it's packing...only because he says "Fucc" to mean....well, you know.
I'm going to be fuccing picced off if he doesn't macc it to campus.
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I guess Pelle isnt unflappabble
Between qualitized and unflappable, you sure love beating certain words to a pulp.
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@AdamZagoria Adam Zagoria
St. John`s signee Norvel Pelle is here at Philadelphia U taking summer classes and is expected to be eligible this year
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@AdamZagoria Adam Zagoria
St. John`s signee Norvel Pelle is here at Philadelphia U taking summer classes and is expected to be eligible this year
Sounds good to me!
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Philadelphia U?
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Seems strange, don't it. Perhaps there is a comma or period missing. There is a tournament or such going on there: http://www.philau.edu/today/headlines/?p=1001 (http://www.philau.edu/today/headlines/?p=1001) ... perhaps he is there for that, and is taking summer classes at StJ?
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Kinda funny:
Norvel Pelle plans to be here at Phila U Rise Academy for a month and a half taking classes B4 going to #stjbb. Video coming
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Kinda funny:
Norvel Pelle plans to be here at Phila U Rise Academy for a month and a half taking classes B4 going to #stjbb. Video coming
That seems strange but maybe its not. Anyone (Dave, MCNPA, Moose, Fordham, Mkrass, Peter, etc.) Have any idea on if this ever happens? I can only assume this might be the reason for some of Novel's tweets
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Ought to be a STJ policy about players and the social media.
Cant cuss in public. Why allow it on the tweet?
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Ought to be a STJ policy about players and the social media.
Cant cuss in public. Why allow it on the tweet?
Pretty sure that once the season starts the players are prohibited from being on twitter/fb
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Ought to be a STJ policy about players and the social media.
Cant cuss in public. Why allow it on the tweet?
Pretty sure that once the season starts the players are prohibited from being on twitter/fb
Im not sure about twitter but the players were on facebook during last season
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Interview with Zags. Looks like he isnt entirely sure what Philly U is either.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/07/06/exclusive-interview-with-st-johns-norvel-pelle/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/07/06/exclusive-interview-with-st-johns-norvel-pelle/)
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Ought to be a STJ policy about players and the social media.
Cant cuss in public. Why allow it on the tweet?
Pretty sure that once the season starts the players are prohibited from being on twitter/fb
Im not sure about twitter but the players were on facebook during last season
About halfway thru the year they stopped tweeting. I remember posting an article where Lav was quoted about STJ Twitter policy.
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Kinda funny:
Norvel Pelle plans to be here at Phila U Rise Academy for a month and a half taking classes B4 going to #stjbb. Video coming
That seems strange but maybe its not. Anyone (Dave, MCNPA, Moose, Fordham, Mkrass, Peter, etc.) Have any idea on if this ever happens? I can only assume this might be the reason for some of Novel's tweets
I'm not surprised. It's pretty much same as an online course or as I mentioned with Nuri him 'catching up' on schoolwork. Its great he's all the way on the east coast. I'm sure he can come up on weekends maybe to run with the guys. Odd interview though from Zags. Especially the 2nd question about specific courseload. Almost set Pelle up there for an bad sounding answer.
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Kinda funny:
Norvel Pelle plans to be here at Phila U Rise Academy for a month and a half taking classes B4 going to #stjbb. Video coming
That seems strange but maybe its not. Anyone (Dave, MCNPA, Moose, Fordham, Mkrass, Peter, etc.) Have any idea on if this ever happens? I can only assume this might be the reason for some of Novel's tweets
I'm not surprised. It's pretty much same as an online course or as I mentioned with Nuri him 'catching up' on schoolwork. Its great he's all the way on the east coast. I'm sure he can come up on weekends maybe to run with the guys. Odd interview though from Zags. Especially the 2nd question about specific courseload. Almost set Pelle up there for an bad sounding answer.
Bottom line is that it is great that our top freshman center is another piece of the puzzle that will be qualified.
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Kinda funny:
Norvel Pelle plans to be here at Phila U Rise Academy for a month and a half taking classes B4 going to #stjbb. Video coming
That seems strange but maybe its not. Anyone (Dave, MCNPA, Moose, Fordham, Mkrass, Peter, etc.) Have any idea on if this ever happens? I can only assume this might be the reason for some of Novel's tweets
I'm not surprised. It's pretty much same as an online course or as I mentioned with Nuri him 'catching up' on schoolwork. Its great he's all the way on the east coast. I'm sure he can come up on weekends maybe to run with the guys. Odd interview though from Zags. Especially the 2nd question about specific courseload. Almost set Pelle up there for an bad sounding answer.
Bottom line is that it is great that our top freshman center is another piece of the puzzle that will be qualified.
No offense but I'll hold off with the qualifying talk until he still steps foot on campus.
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No offense but I'll hold off with the qualifying talk until he still steps foot on campus.
Yea I am actually worried that he is taking summer courses at another school rather than St. John's. My worry is the coaching staff is worried that he won't qualify and thus don't want him to enroll at St. John's quite yet and risk his future eligibility with us.
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No offense but I'll hold off with the qualifying talk until he still steps foot on campus.
Yea I am actually worried that he is taking summer courses at another school rather than St. John's. My worry is the coaching staff is worried that he won't qualify and thus don't want him to enroll at St. John's quite yet and risk his future eligibility with us.
He probably cant enroll until he's qualified. He's probably missing a grade in a class so he can't take a course at SJU just yet. It is "expected" that he will be qualified and usually when these kids are making up a class, they make it through.
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No offense but I'll hold off with the qualifying talk until he still steps foot on campus.
Yea I am actually worried that he is taking summer courses at another school rather than St. John's. My worry is the coaching staff is worried that he won't qualify and thus don't want him to enroll at St. John's quite yet and risk his future eligibility with us.
He probably cant enroll until he's qualified. He's probably missing a grade in a class so he can't take a course at SJU just yet. It is "expected" that he will be qualified and usually when these kids are making up a class, they make it through.
The 6-foot-10 Pelle is taking a six-week program at the Rise Academy here at Philadelphia University and expects to be fully qualified at the end. St. John’s does not offer summer high school classes, thus his presence here.
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No offense but I'll hold off with the qualifying talk until he still steps foot on campus.
Yea I am actually worried that he is taking summer courses at another school rather than St. John's. My worry is the coaching staff is worried that he won't qualify and thus don't want him to enroll at St. John's quite yet and risk his future eligibility with us.
He probably cant enroll until he's qualified. He's probably missing a grade in a class so he can't take a course at SJU just yet. It is "expected" that he will be qualified and usually when these kids are making up a class, they make it through.
The 6-foot-10 Pelle is taking a six-week program at the Rise Academy here at Philadelphia University and expects to be fully qualified at the end. St. John’s does not offer summer high school classes, thus his presence here.
The same Rise Academy?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/25/sports/ncaabasketball/25preps.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/25/sports/ncaabasketball/25preps.html)
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No offense but I'll hold off with the qualifying talk until he still steps foot on campus.
Yea I am actually worried that he is taking summer courses at another school rather than St. John's. My worry is the coaching staff is worried that he won't qualify and thus don't want him to enroll at St. John's quite yet and risk his future eligibility with us.
He probably cant enroll until he's qualified. He's probably missing a grade in a class so he can't take a course at SJU just yet. It is "expected" that he will be qualified and usually when these kids are making up a class, they make it through.
The 6-foot-10 Pelle is taking a six-week program at the Rise Academy here at Philadelphia University and expects to be fully qualified at the end. St. John’s does not offer summer high school classes, thus his presence here.
I think its odd that he came all the way to the east coast to take a HS course when I'm sure there are other options in California. I think this may be done by design inorder for the staff to keep an eye on his progress and make sure he does what needs to be done.
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No offense but I'll hold off with the qualifying talk until he still steps foot on campus.
Yea I am actually worried that he is taking summer courses at another school rather than St. John's. My worry is the coaching staff is worried that he won't qualify and thus don't want him to enroll at St. John's quite yet and risk his future eligibility with us.
He probably cant enroll until he's qualified. He's probably missing a grade in a class so he can't take a course at SJU just yet. It is "expected" that he will be qualified and usually when these kids are making up a class, they make it through.
The 6-foot-10 Pelle is taking a six-week program at the Rise Academy here at Philadelphia University and expects to be fully qualified at the end. St. John’s does not offer summer high school classes, thus his presence here.
The same Rise Academy?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/25/sports/ncaabasketball/25preps.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/25/sports/ncaabasketball/25preps.html)
Probably Moose. Happens all the time and everywhere you go. Even happens at the college level ie. University of Phoenix. Less rigorous courses to get people to their goal. We've had kids going to schools to catch up for decades. Even under Louie, we had plenty of kids who were not great students. Pelle probably came up short in one class and needs this to get him eligible, which is why I say he should likely be eligible. He went to Price hs which is a real HS and not a degree factory. If he's only at RISE for a month, he must have come up just short. Pretty sure he will be able to make it through his one class or so at RISE and gain eligibility.
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No offense but I'll hold off with the qualifying talk until he still steps foot on campus.
Yea I am actually worried that he is taking summer courses at another school rather than St. John's. My worry is the coaching staff is worried that he won't qualify and thus don't want him to enroll at St. John's quite yet and risk his future eligibility with us.
He probably cant enroll until he's qualified. He's probably missing a grade in a class so he can't take a course at SJU just yet. It is "expected" that he will be qualified and usually when these kids are making up a class, they make it through.
The 6-foot-10 Pelle is taking a six-week program at the Rise Academy here at Philadelphia University and expects to be fully qualified at the end. St. John’s does not offer summer high school classes, thus his presence here.
I think its odd that he came all the way to the east coast to take a HS course when I'm sure there are other options in California. I think this may be done by design inorder for the staff to keep an eye on his progress and make sure he does what needs to be done.
Bingo. The good news is that the twitter stuff from yesterday clearly had nothing to do with him being upset at SJU or having second thoughts about going to SJU. Obviously coming all the way east to make up a core class or two is a signal that he wants to go to SJU and wants to be close to all of his future teammates for the summer and probably arranged or helped arranged by the staff so they can keep an eye on his progress as well.
Obviously he still has to qualify but again if he had any doubts about qualifying he probably would not have committed to coming east and would be scouting out prep schools right now probably in Cali. So I am confident on that part as well.
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No offense but I'll hold off with the qualifying talk until he still steps foot on campus.
Yea I am actually worried that he is taking summer courses at another school rather than St. John's. My worry is the coaching staff is worried that he won't qualify and thus don't want him to enroll at St. John's quite yet and risk his future eligibility with us.
He probably cant enroll until he's qualified. He's probably missing a grade in a class so he can't take a course at SJU just yet. It is "expected" that he will be qualified and usually when these kids are making up a class, they make it through.
The 6-foot-10 Pelle is taking a six-week program at the Rise Academy here at Philadelphia University and expects to be fully qualified at the end. St. John’s does not offer summer high school classes, thus his presence here.
I think its odd that he came all the way to the east coast to take a HS course when I'm sure there are other options in California. I think this may be done by design inorder for the staff to keep an eye on his progress and make sure he does what needs to be done.
Bingo. The good news is that the twitter stuff from yesterday clearly had nothing to do with him being upset at SJU or having second thoughts about going to SJU. Obviously coming all the way east to make up a core class or two is a signal that he wants to go to SJU and wants to be close to all of his future teammates for the summer and probably arranged or helped arranged by the staff so they can keep an eye on his progress as well.
Obviously he still has to qualify but again if he had any doubts about qualifying he probably would not have committed to coming east and would be scouting out prep schools right now probably in Cali. So I am confident on that part as well.
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Exactly. Maybe why the Findlay rumors came up. He might have originally thought he was going to come up shorter than he did. The fact that he's taking classes here for a month means he doesnt need an entire extra year, just a class or so. I think Pelle will be ok. Not waiting to hear about Nuri and Jakarr...
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We need this kid!!!!
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No offense but I'll hold off with the qualifying talk until he still steps foot on campus.
Yea I am actually worried that he is taking summer courses at another school rather than St. John's. My worry is the coaching staff is worried that he won't qualify and thus don't want him to enroll at St. John's quite yet and risk his future eligibility with us.
He probably cant enroll until he's qualified. He's probably missing a grade in a class so he can't take a course at SJU just yet. It is "expected" that he will be qualified and usually when these kids are making up a class, they make it through.
The 6-foot-10 Pelle is taking a six-week program at the Rise Academy here at Philadelphia University and expects to be fully qualified at the end. St. John’s does not offer summer high school classes, thus his presence here.
I think its odd that he came all the way to the east coast to take a HS course when I'm sure there are other options in California. I think this may be done by design inorder for the staff to keep an eye on his progress and make sure he does what needs to be done.
Bingo. The good news is that the twitter stuff from yesterday clearly had nothing to do with him being upset at SJU or having second thoughts about going to SJU. Obviously coming all the way east to make up a core class or two is a signal that he wants to go to SJU and wants to be close to all of his future teammates for the summer and probably arranged or helped arranged by the staff so they can keep an eye on his progress as well.
Obviously he still has to qualify but again if he had any doubts about qualifying he probably would not have committed to coming east and would be scouting out prep schools right now probably in Cali. So I am confident on that part as well.
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Exactly. Maybe why the Findlay rumors came up. He might have originally thought he was going to come up shorter than he did. The fact that he's taking classes here for a month means he doesnt need an entire extra year, just a class or so. I think Pelle will be ok. Not waiting to hear about Nuri and Jakarr...
I think JaKarr was set to check in today as well.
I am actually not worried at all about Lindsey. The two that scared me were Pointer and Pelle but more and ore my concerns are being assuaged.
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Good news on Pelle and it's great to have him close by while he finishes up...He's probably mad that he has to spend part of his summer doing this and I wouldn't blame him if he was...The staff will be able to be close to him and help him make sure this gets done
He is a huge part of this class and I can't wait to see him manning the middle for St. John's
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No offense but I'll hold off with the qualifying talk until he still steps foot on campus.
Yea I am actually worried that he is taking summer courses at another school rather than St. John's. My worry is the coaching staff is worried that he won't qualify and thus don't want him to enroll at St. John's quite yet and risk his future eligibility with us.
He probably cant enroll until he's qualified. He's probably missing a grade in a class so he can't take a course at SJU just yet. It is "expected" that he will be qualified and usually when these kids are making up a class, they make it through.
The 6-foot-10 Pelle is taking a six-week program at the Rise Academy here at Philadelphia University and expects to be fully qualified at the end. St. John’s does not offer summer high school classes, thus his presence here.
I think its odd that he came all the way to the east coast to take a HS course when I'm sure there are other options in California. I think this may be done by design inorder for the staff to keep an eye on his progress and make sure he does what needs to be done.
Bingo. The good news is that the twitter stuff from yesterday clearly had nothing to do with him being upset at SJU or having second thoughts about going to SJU. Obviously coming all the way east to make up a core class or two is a signal that he wants to go to SJU and wants to be close to all of his future teammates for the summer and probably arranged or helped arranged by the staff so they can keep an eye on his progress as well.
Obviously he still has to qualify but again if he had any doubts about qualifying he probably would not have committed to coming east and would be scouting out prep schools right now probably in Cali. So I am confident on that part as well.
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Exactly. Maybe why the Findlay rumors came up. He might have originally thought he was going to come up shorter than he did. The fact that he's taking classes here for a month means he doesnt need an entire extra year, just a class or so. I think Pelle will be ok. Not waiting to hear about Nuri and Jakarr...
I think JaKarr was set to check in today as well.
I am actually not worried at all about Lindsey. The two that scared me were Pointer and Pelle but more and ore my concerns are being assuaged.
Great to hear about Jakarr. Pointer is on campus as is everybody else except Pelle and Lindsey. Looks like things are really coming together. It seems like we should have all of our guys here. We will need them.
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Good news on Pelle and it's great to have him close by while he finishes up...He's probably mad that he has to spend part of his summer doing this and I wouldn't blame him if he was...The staff will be able to be close to him and help him make sure this gets done
He is a huge part of this class and I can't wait to see him manning the middle for St. John's
On a bball note, I think that Norvel is one of those guys that will need quite a bit of work and a bit of patience by both the staff and fans. It seems he needs some maturing both on and off the court. He's a heck of a shot-blocker and has amazing athleticism, but he has a lot to learn on the offensive and and needs muscle and footwork. Regardless, he'll be difficult to shoot over and is too athletic for even wings to drive around. Great having a bull like GG to compliment Pelle.
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I just listened to his interview on Zags. Quite an impressive young man. I wish him well while at St. John's. Have we ever had an artist/bb player before?
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Malik Sealy
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I just listened to his interview on Zags. Quite an impressive young man. I wish him well while at St. John's. Have we ever had an artist/bb player before?
From face value, including his tweets, he seems more bored with school than anything else. Doesn't sound like a dumb kid. If the kid majored in Art he'd probably be more successful.
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Of all the kids, I feel like Pelle could have used the summer on campus the most. He's 210 and if he could have opened the season at 220+, we'd be exponentially better down low. It also seems he needs some fine-tuning offensively. A summer banging with GG would have made it clear what he needs to do to be Big East ready.
Wishing him the best, because we haven't had a big man prospect like him in a LONG time.
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I have decided to remove the last couple pages of Norvel's thread because of certain things said and how off topic it became. The posts aren't deleted and when I get some more time I will try to go through all the posts and bring back the posts that were on topic such as the posts comparing Pelle and Zendon. If anyone has any concerns, complaints or suggestions you can pm me
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Pelle reminds me of Mark Blount on Pittsburgh. Hopefully, he'll be better than Blount.
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Pelle reminds me of Mark Blount on Pittsburgh. Hopefully, he'll be better than Blount.
Physically much different players. Blount a legit 7 footer. I remember when he came to play my HS he toyed with the team and the fans. Everyone wanted him to dunk and he would jump up and just lay it in. He had some travels in HS for a variety of reasons.
He played just 1 year at Pitt and averaged 9 and 7 with 2.5 blocks. If you told me Pelle did that in year 1 I think we would all gladly sign.
He also went on to play almost a decade in the NBA. Over 600 games. Made himself over $40 million for his career.
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I have decided to remove the last couple pages of Norvel's thread because of certain things said and how off topic it became. The posts aren't deleted and when I get some more time I will try to go through all the posts and bring back the posts that were on topic such as the posts comparing Pelle and Zendon. If anyone has any concerns, complaints or suggestions you can pm me
Good move and thanks!
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I don't think I saw this one here before.
Norvel Pelle Dunk Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqenV7IEiIU#ws)
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BTW-Apparently according to his twitter Norvel, JaKarr and Amir went to see Harry Potter on Friday.
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BTW-Apparently according to his twitter Norvel, JaKarr and Amir went to see Harry Potter on Friday.
Maybe they have to write a paper on it at Rise?? ::) :2funny: I think it is good they're all together though. Hopefully, they'll be at SJU soon enough.
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BTW-Apparently according to his twitter Norvel, JaKarr and Amir went to see Harry Potter on Friday.
Was it Imax? 3D? Inquiring minds want to know.
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I thaught I would get an update an Pelle by checking the forum. I guess I did, he saw a Harry Potter movie.
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I thaught I would get an update an Pelle by checking the forum. I guess I did, he saw a Harry Potter movie.
He misses home too.
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Moose, is that an Uh Oh!? ???
Hopefully it's just normal and not to make too much of it. BTW...How do you know he "misses home, too"?
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Moose, is that an Uh Oh!? ???
Hopefully it's just normal and not to make too much of it. BTW...How do you know he "misses home, too"?
In addition to his Harry Potter tweets he has also tweeted that he missed home a number of times.
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In addition to his Harry Potter tweets he has also tweeted that he missed home a number of times.
That is a possibility (and a risk) with West Coast players.
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In addition to his Harry Potter tweets he has also tweeted that he missed home a number of times.
That is a possibility (and a risk) with West Coast players.
Certainly... I think it will change a bit when we get him on campus with the rest of the team, and the school year kicks in.
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I always get homesick whenever Im in Philly.
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A lot of college freshman miss home initially.
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I always get homesick whenever Im in Philly.
I just get sick when I'm in Philly :)
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You know when I was given a tour of the Jamaica campus last year I was totally impressed with the changes, particularly as they related to student residences. I thought of a small town campus. My own experience with colleges campuses is rather limited- ASU (looks like a city), UA (nice!), and when I went to the SMC game last year (great campus!). I had a warm feeling about our campus.
Interestingly enough, a number of our recruits have expressed the same feelings about our campus. Once Norvel leaves the city of "Brotherly Love", I have no doubts that he will warm up to our campus life.
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Jeez, maybe once you make some new friends everything will be okay?
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I moved to Philly a year and a half ago for work from Hoboken/NY and the only time i've enjoyed being here is when we beat Nova last year
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Pelle is in the final clips of highlights....
Chosen League Mixtape presented by Dime Magazine ft. Rysheed Jordan, Amir Garrett, SICK DUNKS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3LAcqJqYo#)
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Pelle's going to have so many huge dunks during his time at St. John's. All of the recruits are so athletic, it's going to be a blast to watch them.
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Pelle is in the final clips of highlights....
Chosen League Mixtape presented by Dime Magazine ft. Rysheed Jordan, Amir Garrett, SICK DUNKS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3LAcqJqYo#)
That isn't Pelle! If it was he'd be the first pick in the draft next season. It's Jakkar....I know that for sure.
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It certainly is Jakarr. BTW both Amir and Jakarr look great. Jakarr's first step for a 6'8 forward is unbelievably fast. Kid will be an NBA'er. He's fantastic in the open court. Ceiling is unbelievable.
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It certainly is Jakarr. BTW both Amir and Jakarr look great. Jakarr's first step for a 6'8 forward is unbelievably fast. Kid will be an NBA'er. He's fantastic in the open court. Ceiling is unbelievable.
THIt certainly is Jakarr. BTW both Amir and Jakarr look great. Jakarr's first step for a 6'8 forward is unbelievably fast. Kid will be an NBA'er. He's fantastic in the open court. Ceiling is unbelievable.
The defense is beyond awful, but that move he makes at 6:47 to beat four guys in the open floor and flush it is just insane.
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It certainly is Jakarr. BTW both Amir and Jakarr look great. Jakarr's first step for a 6'8 forward is unbelievably fast. Kid will be an NBA'er. He's fantastic in the open court. Ceiling is unbelievable.
THIt certainly is Jakarr. BTW both Amir and Jakarr look great. Jakarr's first step for a 6'8 forward is unbelievably fast. Kid will be an NBA'er. He's fantastic in the open court. Ceiling is unbelievable.
The defense is beyond awful, but that move he makes at 6:47 to beat four guys in the open floor and flush it is just insane.
I wasn't there obviously, but the comment of the defense being awful. Are you saying that they aren't trying? I mean people don't want to get scored on and/or embarassed. So I don't think people loaf. Its a pride thing, no?
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Pelle is in the final clips of highlights....
Chosen League Mixtape presented by Dime Magazine ft. Rysheed Jordan, Amir Garrett, SICK DUNKS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3LAcqJqYo#)
That isn't Pelle! If it was he'd be the first pick in the draft next season. It's Jakkar....I know that for sure.
You're right, Marillac. That is Jakarr. I was thinking.... Damn! Pelle has a pretty good handle! LOL
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Pelle is in the final clips of highlights....
Chosen League Mixtape presented by Dime Magazine ft. Rysheed Jordan, Amir Garrett, SICK DUNKS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3LAcqJqYo#)
That isn't Pelle! If it was he'd be the first pick in the draft next season. It's Jakkar....I know that for sure.
You're right, Marillac. That is Jakarr. I was thinking.... Damn! Pelle has a pretty good handle! LOL
Good lord if that was Pelle at 6'10 210, I'd buy plane tickets to the Final Four. LOL Regardless, that move by Sampson on four guys was NUTS. There are SF's in the NBA that can't do that.
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Pelle is in the final clips of highlights....
Chosen League Mixtape presented by Dime Magazine ft. Rysheed Jordan, Amir Garrett, SICK DUNKS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3LAcqJqYo#)
That isn't Pelle! If it was he'd be the first pick in the draft next season. It's Jakkar....I know that for sure.
You're right, Marillac. That is Jakarr. I was thinking.... Damn! Pelle has a pretty good handle! LOL
Good lord if that was Pelle at 6'10 210, I'd buy plane tickets to the Final Four. LOL Regardless, that move by Sampson on four guys was NUTS. There are SF's in the NBA that can't do that.
No doubt! He made the move fairly smoothly, as well. He is known, as a slasher, but I wasn't sure he could make a play like the one you initially mentioned. Imagine us in the open court.
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Pelle is in the final clips of highlights....
Chosen League Mixtape presented by Dime Magazine ft. Rysheed Jordan, Amir Garrett, SICK DUNKS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3LAcqJqYo#)
That isn't Pelle! If it was he'd be the first pick in the draft next season. It's Jakkar....I know that for sure.
You're right, Marillac. That is Jakarr. I was thinking.... Damn! Pelle has a pretty good handle! LOL
Good lord if that was Pelle at 6'10 210, I'd buy plane tickets to the Final Four. LOL Regardless, that move by Sampson on four guys was NUTS. There are SF's in the NBA that can't do that.
No doubt! He made the move fairly smoothly, as well. He is known, as a slasher, but I wasn't sure he could make a play like the one you initially mentioned. Imagine us in the open court.
Add a 6'4 PG in Lindsey, Sir'Dom, Mo Harklless, Phil, D'Angelo etc... nasty
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Just realized that Norvel is a natural lefty. Lefty shotblockers are nasty. Difficult for players at the college level to deal with, especially with his elevation. Swat city... Can't wait for this season to start already.
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Just realized that Norvel is a natural lefty. Lefty shotblockers are nasty. Difficult for players at the college level to deal with, especially with his elevation. Swat city... Can't wait for this season to start already.
Ive seen norvel shoot his jumpers rght handed but he definitely does block a majority of his shots with his left.
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I know I'll get heat for this post, but I'm going to say it now: Pelle will transfer at the end of this season. Out of all the recruits he appears to be having the hardest time adjusting to his time in the east coast. He continuously posts about how much he misses home (did again today), and I think Polee leaving has had an affect on him.
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I know I'll get heat for this post, but I'm going to say it now: Pelle will transfer at the end of this season. Out of all the recruits he appears to be having the hardest time adjusting to his time in the east coast. He continuously posts about how much he misses home (did again today), and I think Polee leaving has had an affect on him.
I can see where you get this, but I think it's way too premature for this.
I dormed at SJU and lived like 20 minutes away from the campus, and missed home. Once classes start and the basketball activities kick in for these kids, they won't even have time to miss home.
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I know I'll get heat for this post, but I'm going to say it now: Pelle will transfer at the end of this season. Out of all the recruits he appears to be having the hardest time adjusting to his time in the east coast. He continuously posts about how much he misses home (did again today), and I think Polee leaving has had an affect on him.
Obviously it's possible but I think that's just how he is. He was kind of different before he even came to the east coast already. To predict a transfer before the kid has stepped foot on campus, played a season and had the chance to make new friends is a little premature. For all you know this kid will absolutely fall in love with the bright lights of NYC and MSG and stay here extra, rather then declare for the draft. Let's have the kids all move in first before we anticipate their departures.
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You're absolutely right. And I don't recall reading anything about Polee missing home before his first season (although if it's true I missed that post), so maybe Norvelle will eventually "fit in." But if I were a betting man my feeling is that Norvelle does a good if not great job for us and the only place he'd be leaving to is the NBA. If he DOES wind up coming home (I'm in LA) it would be as a Clipper or Laker. God help him if it's the Clippers! Would he have to sit out a year if he chose, say UCLA? If so, he might just want to stay with the teammates and friends he'll make at SJU and give us two. Hopefully.
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You're absolutely right. And I don't recall reading anything about Polee missing home before his first season (although if it's true I missed that post), so maybe Norvelle will eventually "fit in." But if I were a betting man my feeling is that Norvelle does a good if not great job for us and the only place he'd be leaving to is the NBA. If he DOES wind up coming home (I'm in LA) it would be as a Clipper or Laker. God help him if it's the Clippers! Would he have to sit out a year if he chose, say UCLA? If so, he might just want to stay with the teammates and friends he'll make at SJU and give us two. Hopefully.
I have a pretty good memory, which I'll tap into now to form my opinion. Norvel mentioned how SJ's small campus appealed to him. Imho, that will play a part in him becoming adjusted as a frosh going away to school. Many freshman go through it. It's no big deal for most students, as some have said, once they begin forming new friendships, start hanging with teammates more, etc. We should give these guys time to adjust.
Twitter lets us peek into players' worlds a bit, but we should not read into every typed word. It can be maddening...
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Most freshman miss home the first semester. By the time the second semester comes around you cant even get them to go home. Pelle will make plenty of freinds at SJU
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Pelle has been dorming in some shoddy shack in Philly, not at SJU. To say he'll transfer is waaaay too premature. He's not on campus and not with many friends right now, really just in limbo. Give him time to adjust.
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Pelle is enrolling at Phelps Prep in Pennsylvania.
I take that as a good sign that he is staying east.
Stay tuned.
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Tweeted by Keith Pompey (Keith Pompey is the Temple University men's basketball and football beat writer for The Philadelphia Inquirer. He also covers college recruiting):
Norvel Pelle, who was ruled academically ineligible at St. John's, will enroll at the Phelps School.
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/pompeysgridlock/status/116926236982378496
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Pelle is enrolling at Phelps Prep in Pennsylvania.
I take that as a good sign that he is staying east.
Stay tuned.
Happy that they're getting the ball rolling with him. And it definitely seems like a good sign that he didn't go back out west.
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Pelle is enrolling at Phelps Prep in Pennsylvania.
I take that as a good sign that he is staying east.
Stay tuned.
Happy that they're getting the ball rolling with him. And it definitely seems like a good sign that he didn't go back out west.
Exactly there were a lot of rumors about him going to San Diego St and joining his buddies Skylar Spencer and Polee assuming he later qualified. I think him staying east confirms for now that he still is committed to SJU.
We'll see.
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Happy that they're getting the ball rolling with him. And it definitely seems like a good sign that he didn't go back out west.
I agree! Hopefully, he and Garrett will join the team in December. They could instantaneously become fan favorites, if that happens. I'm really pulling for these two.
It'll show both of 'em stuck it out in the face of adversity. Strong character.
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Exactly there were a lot of rumors about him going to San Diego St and joining his buddies Skylar Spencer and Polee assuming he later qualified. I think him staying east confirms for now that he still is committed to SJU.
We'll see.
There comes a time where you have to split from your friends, at least for a while. Although raw, Pelle is too good for San Diego State.
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The article from Pompey does say he plans on staying the full year. We'll see:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/St-Johns-recruit-to-enroll-at-Phelps-School.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/St-Johns-recruit-to-enroll-at-Phelps-School.html)
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The article from Pompey does say he plans on staying the full year.
Ugggh! I'm hoping that isn't true. I'm sure we'll hear an official report soon.
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Or even worse, enroll at Temple in the spring.
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He's not going to Temple.
The only concern is does he try to enroll by December.
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Forgive my ignorance, but does the Phelps bball team play in a high competition level league, or will Pelle play against 6'3 centers and 5'8 guards? Obviously, I hope Pelle focuses on his studies first and foremost, but if he's going to play bball, it would be good to know that he's keeping his skills sharp for a possible December comeback.
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Guys like I posted before, they won't be eligible til next season should they even want to stay at SJU. NCAA rules wont allow them to play after receiving a scholarship for prep. The only exception is if they pay for the prep school themselves in which Amir would be the only candidate, due to his MLB money.
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Perhaps would like to pay Pelle's tuition for him?
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As the other posters have said, him deciding to stay east is huge and makes you believe that he is still interested in playing for St. Johns. It would be great if we could have him come in December but i'll be happy as long he gets his school work done and remains committed to St. Johns. I think he their are advantages for him enrolling in for 2012 rather this year. From a basketball stand point, this can allow Pelle to get stronger and work on a few go to moves which will only make him that more dangerous
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http://sandiegostate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1269075 (http://sandiegostate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1269075)
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Ugh.
And without having a subscription, I predict he said something like, "I'm still committed to St. John's, but I want to explore all my options."
And then he'll de-commit in the next two weeks.
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@LJSA - he decommitted. Cest la vie.
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@LJSA - he decommitted. Cest la vie.
Is that true that he decommitted? Haven't heard that anywhere else.
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He's not going to Temple.
The only concern is does he try to enroll by December.
What if Temple joins the Beast? :2funny:
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Three members of the class coach Steve recruited for 2011-12 did not qualify. I'm glad 6 did. Lets hope the 2 we have coming for next year make it. Steve can't wait on a maybe. He's going to keep recruiting. Lets hope he gets us another class of 6 as good as this years. If any of the three make it here, it's a gimme. This been a bad week. When does the grieving stop?
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As much as I would love seing him here next year it seems unlikely. Rivals says there is a strong possibility of SDSU.
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It's obvious he's being tugged by people he's close with to head back out west. Hopefully, he sticks with the Johnnies, but I'm not banking on it. I'm starting to get the feeling he won't ever step foot on the court for the Johnnies.
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It's obvious he's being tugged by people he's close with to head back out west. Hopefully, he sticks with the Johnnies, but I'm not banking on it. I'm starting to get the feeling he won't ever step foot on the court for the Johnnies.
This is West Side Story MJ. The Sharks have entered the neighborhood, doing their thing...
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Damn Norvel
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Damn Norvel
blowin' off all tweets except friends...he's closed up on twitter for now.
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Pelle Decommits from St. John’s, Enrolls in Prep School
By Adam Zagoria on September 22, 2011, 5:18PM
Norvel Pelle says he has decommitted from St. John’s and is now considering San Diego State.
He has also enrolled at The Phelps School in Malvern, Pa.
“I’m back on the market, which I just found out,” Pelle told AztecSportsReport.com on Thursday afternoon. “So it’s my opportunity to go to different schools.”
The 6-foot-10 Pelle told the Website he may join former Price (Calif.) High School teammate Skylar Spencer at San Diego State.
“We could turn the program,” Pelle said. “Possibly go to the NCAA Tournament and win it. That would be our main goal next year if everything works out and I decide to go there and what not.”
St. John’s spokesman Mark Fratto said the school could not comment because Pelle is now considered a prospective student-athlete who has not signed a Letter of Intent.
Pelle was one of three St. John’s commits ruled academically ineligible by the NCAA, and he now becomes the second to decommit.
JaKarr Sampson, a 6-8 forward, previously decommitted and is back at Brewster (N.H.) Academy for a postgraduate year.
Amir Garrett, a 6-7 wing, is at Bridgton (Maine) Academy.
A source close to the Phelps School admission process confirmed that Pelle was on campus there Thursday.
“He’s as good as enrolled,” the source told SNY.tv, confirming news first reported by Keith Pompey of Philly.com.
The source said he was still under the impression that Pelle wanted to attend St. John’s, but it was unclear when he might become eligible.
“If something happens between now and January and he can be in college for the second semester we’ll certainly help him get there.”
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/)
I really have zero respect for Norvel and Jakarr for up and leaving us when they were the ones that didn't do what they had to do to be eligible to play in College. It's pathetic.
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How long after the NCAA decision on his eligibility came down do you think it took for Steve Fisher and SDSU to get on the phone and talk to Norvel or his parents.
Unbelievable!!!
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This sucks..We were small to begin with now we're even smaller..
Looks like our rebirth as a program may get pushed back a few years..hoopefully Lavin continues to recruit well players that can play and also past tests in the future..
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How long after the NCAA decision on his eligibility came down do you think it took for Steve Fisher and SDSU to get on the phone and talk to Norvel or his parents.
Unbelievable!!!
And his logic is a little off in the zags article.
Norvel: “We could turn the program,” Pelle said. “Possibly go to the NCAA Tournament and win it. That would be our main goal next year if everything works out and I decide to go there and what not.”
My Repsonse: "I thought Steve Fischer already turned the program around? A 34-2 record plus a sweet 16 confirms it. It’s SJ’s that needs the help to get back to the Sweet 16 and beyond Norvel. So then it would seem SJ’s would be the more desirable choice if you want to go to the tournament and win it. Unlikely you’ll win it all with SDSU – jmtc – just sayin’..."
Norvel just lifting the SJ's selling point and shoe-horning it on SDSU....
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Damn Norvel
blowin' off all tweets except friends...he's closed up on twitter for now.
Nothing wrong with that imho. Let the kid be.
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How long after the NCAA decision on his eligibility came down do you think it took for Steve Fisher and SDSU to get on the phone and talk to Norvel or his parents.
Unbelievable!!!
From the Rivals article it sounds like Bland was talking the whole time.
Pack up and move on. Tired of dealing with situations like this.
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How long after the NCAA decision on his eligibility came down do you think it took for Steve Fisher and SDSU to get on the phone and talk to Norvel or his parents.
Unbelievable!!!
And his logic is a little off in the zags article.
Norvel: “We could turn the program,” Pelle said. “Possibly go to the NCAA Tournament and win it. That would be our main goal next year if everything works out and I decide to go there and what not.”
My Repsonse: "I thought Steve Fischer already turned the program around? A 34-2 record plus a sweet 16 confirms it. It’s SJ’s that needs the help to get back to the Sweet 16 and beyond Norvel. So then it would seem SJ’s would be the more desirable choice if you want to go to the tournament and win it. Unlikely you’ll win it all with SDSU – jmtc – just sayin’..."
Saw that too. Goal is to make the NCAA's??? Huh?
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Damn Norvel
blowin' off all tweets except friends...he's closed up on twitter for now.
Nothing wrong with that imho. Let the kid be.
Exactly. I'm not like that. We were talking about boat shoes one day. I gave support to him with the news and that was it. No sense going any further. Just one note - I was assuming other Storm fans gave him some support too - I could have been wrong.
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Dave: I think its time to take him and Sampson off this and put them on the 2012 recruiting site.
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I have reason to believe that the Rivals story is exaggerated or quite frankly just simply not true.
Stay tuned....
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I have reason to believe that the Rivals story is exaggerated or quite frankly just simply not true.
Stay tuned....
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/#more-58308 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/#more-58308)
Cherisa Pelle, Norvel Pelle’s sister, says a report that her brother decommitted from St. John’s is inaccurate.
“I’m telling you they’re false,” she told SNY.tv by phone. “It’s inaccurate information. He did not decommit from St. John’s.”
She added: “Yes, he does still want to go to St. John’s.”
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I have reason to believe that the Rivals story is exaggerated or quite frankly just simply not true.
Stay tuned....
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/#more-58308 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/#more-58308)
Cherisa Pelle, Norvel Pelle’s sister, says a report that her brother decommitted from St. John’s is inaccurate.
“I’m telling you they’re false,” she told SNY.tv by phone. “It’s inaccurate information. He did not decommit from St. John’s.”
She added: “Yes, he does still want to go to St. John’s.”
IfI have reason to believe that the Rivals story is exaggerated or quite frankly just simply not true.
Stay tuned....
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/#more-58308 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/#more-58308)
Cherisa Pelle, Norvel Pelle’s sister, says a report that her brother decommitted from St. John’s is inaccurate.
“I’m telling you they’re false,” she told SNY.tv by phone. “It’s inaccurate information. He did not decommit from St. John’s.”
She added: “Yes, he does still want to go to St. John’s.”
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where did the comments about wanting to turn san diego state come from then? Did somebody just make that up?
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comment from mo harkless... WOW
moe_harkless Maurice Harkless
Loyalty ? All ya preach it but none of ya livin it
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I have reason to believe that the Rivals story is exaggerated or quite frankly just simply not true.
Stay tuned....
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/#more-58308 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/#more-58308)
Cherisa Pelle, Norvel Pelle’s sister, says a report that her brother decommitted from St. John’s is inaccurate.
“I’m telling you they’re false,” she told SNY.tv by phone. “It’s inaccurate information. He did not decommit from St. John’s.”
She added: “Yes, he does still want to go to St. John’s.”
IfI have reason to believe that the Rivals story is exaggerated or quite frankly just simply not true.
Stay tuned....
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/#more-58308 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/#more-58308)
Cherisa Pelle, Norvel Pelle’s sister, says a report that her brother decommitted from St. John’s is inaccurate.
“I’m telling you they’re false,” she told SNY.tv by phone. “It’s inaccurate information. He did not decommit from St. John’s.”
She added: “Yes, he does still want to go to St. John’s.”
This would connect with the "turn it around" comment making no sense. Heck, we need Norvel over here to get to a Sweet 16 and beyond!
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straight from norvelle
damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
I didn't decommit frm no where I'm focusing on gettn my grades rite wit the ncaa. More so I'm jus focusing on me and my fam.
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That is good news.
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Somebody is lying....
Those quotes did seem a tad bit OVER THE TOP Pro San Diego St for a kid who JUST de-committed. No?
And why would he prep in the east if his intent was to go west???
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Niel Nieves chimes in and if anyone knows Pelle he sure does.
http://bit.ly/n14Ivo (http://bit.ly/n14Ivo)
I read some of those quotes from Pelle and I dont know if its true or false, but that sounds nothing like Norvel.
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If Norvelle is anything it is loyal. He'll be a Johnny.
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If Norvelle is anything it is loyal. He'll be a Johnny.
Yeah, but it's Norvel I'm worried about".... ;)
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comment from mo harkless... WOW
moe_harkless Maurice Harkless
Loyalty ? All ya preach it but none of ya livin it
Have I ever told y'all how much I luv Moe Harkless?
Have I?
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comment from mo harkless... WOW
moe_harkless Maurice Harkless
Loyalty ? All ya preach it but none of ya livin it
Have I ever told y'all how much I luv Moe Harkless?
Have I?
Was Harkless referring to the fans or Pelle?
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comment from mo harkless... WOW
moe_harkless Maurice Harkless
Loyalty ? All ya preach it but none of ya livin it
Have I ever told y'all how much I luv Moe Harkless?
Have I?
Amir is going to be one of my favorite Johnnies and Moe is right after him. I can't wait to see both on campus and obviously Moe first
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Mo Harkless is a man. That's all I have to say about him.
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comment from mo harkless... WOW
moe_harkless Maurice Harkless ñ¢
Loyalty ? All ya preach it but none of ya livin it
Have I ever told y'all how much I luv Moe Harkless?
Have I?
Was Harkless referring to the fans or Pelle?
Which one do you think he was referring to?
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comment from mo harkless... WOW
moe_harkless Maurice Harkless ñ¢
Loyalty ? All ya preach it but none of ya livin it
Have I ever told y'all how much I luv Moe Harkless?
Have I?
Was Harkless referring to the fans or Pelle?
Which one do you think he was referring to?
It has to be Jakarr because no one else has decomitted. Amir and Norvel seem to both be trying to qualify and come back while Jakarr has just totally opened back up. If he wanted to come here a few weeks ago why would the fact that he didn't qualify change his mind, he has no one to blame but himself SJU didn't do this to him.
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comment from mo harkless... WOW
moe_harkless Maurice Harkless ñ¢
Loyalty ? All ya preach it but none of ya livin it
Have I ever told y'all how much I luv Moe Harkless?
Have I?
Was Harkless referring to the fans or Pelle?
Which one do you think he was referring to?
It has to be Jakarr because no one else has decomitted. Amir and Norvel seem to both be trying to qualify and come back while Jakarr has just totally opened back up. If he wanted to come here a few weeks ago why would the fact that he didn't qualify change his mind, he has no one to blame but himself SJU didn't do this to him.
Well, Norvel openly saying he is looking into SDSU is not a good sign for us. Looks like he will decommit fairly soon.
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Just read a Tweet that says he is back on the market.dont know if its true. Why would he say he didnt decommit then shortly after say the opposite? But then again thats what Sampson did.
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Just read a Tweet that says he is back on the market.dont know if its true. Why would he say he didnt decommit then shortly after say the opposite? But then again thats what Sampson did.
Norvel is a flake. De-commit one day and a few hours later SDSU is already on the radar?? Would have loved both Jakarr and Pelle here, but it is their own fault they aren't and now looking for other options. Some reason Pelle strikes me as a kid that might never make it on a college bball court. Oh well...
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That is good news.
I agree - I think this is good news to hear this from Norvel and his sister...Norvel is going to be a difference maker whether it's in December or next year....We have a huge hole at C so he'd get plenty of minutes developing under an NBA level staff, playing in the media capital of the world in NYC, at MSG and in one of the best basketball conferences in America
Seems like a no brainer to me
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comment from mo harkless... WOW
moe_harkless Maurice Harkless ñ¢
Loyalty ? All ya preach it but none of ya livin it
Have I ever told y'all how much I luv Moe Harkless?
Have I?
Was Harkless referring to the fans or Pelle?
Which one do you think he was referring to?
It has to be Jakarr because no one else has decomitted. Amir and Norvel seem to both be trying to qualify and come back while Jakarr has just totally opened back up. If he wanted to come here a few weeks ago why would the fact that he didn't qualify change his mind, he has no one to blame but himself SJU didn't do this to him.
Here we go over analyzing tweets again :)
Probably just a general statement of life, after all Mo did decommitt from UConn
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Listening to all these tweets and rumors I am losing my sense of self! :(
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I believe these young men have the right to decommit and open up their recruitment if they see fit. Its life and they have to do what is best for them, not STJ. We should all respect that right as men. That being said, I want them all here, especially Pelle, and I don't believe the landscape of STJ basketball has changed. What was once attractive for these recruits in 2011, remains the same for 2012. If Lavin still want these recruits on the team, he just needs to recruit them. I believe outside of Sampson (because of the Gathers commitment), these recruits are ours to lose.
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
I agree with you. These kids didn't handle their end of the bargain and now we are feeling the effects of it. It makes no sense at all why these kids would be all excited to be here then because of their own mistakes all of a sudden look elsewhere. They should all make their best effort to be here in December and if not come in the fall. I know loyalty is a fleeting thing these days in athletics but man it would be nice after all the effort Lavin and Co put in with these kids for them to show a little loyalty to SJU.
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
Their LOI was for 2011, not 2012. These kids tried their best to become eligible, it just didn't work out. Until they sign a LOI with another team, lets hold off on the tar and feathers.
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
Their LOI was for 2011, not 2012. These kids tried their best to become eligible, it just didn't work out. Until they sign a LOI with another team, lets hold off on the tar and feathers.
They tried their best? How on earth do we know that?
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
Whats the point of coaches signin a contract if they can leave fo another school?
Two way street.
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
Whats the point of coaches signin a contract if they can leave fo another school?
Two way street.
But choz, coaches do have to honor it unless the other potential suitor or the coach can meet the buyout clause. But similar to LOI, if there a change in status at the SCHOOL such as coaching change or other unforeseen circumstance thrust upon the student athlete, the schools will release them of their LOI. However, for student athletes, it usually is the ill family member type situation where schools will release a player.
That being said, I'm not advocating one side or the other. However, I am a believer in the biggest of recruits NEVER signing an early LOI. The LOI is not an immediate requirement. This helps some players out when the unexpected happens (coach is fired at the end of the season), and now they do not need to have the schools honor a release. Sometimes they don't want to - we saw how Arkansas started to botch the transfer request of Clarke, but realized the bad press was hurting them.
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
Your NLI is null and void if you fail to qualify.
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
Your NLI is null and void if you fail to qualify.
That's why we've heard nothing from admin or AD, etc. - the student-athlete becomes a recruit again. Does that mean the staff has to follow compliance rules all over again too? So no contact with the players unless it's under the guidelines? If so, that means the staff (or any school for that matter) can only speak with Norvel, Amir and JaKarr as recruits through the October 5th contact period?
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
Their LOI was for 2011, not 2012. These kids tried their best to become eligible, it just didn't work out. Until they sign a LOI with another team, lets hold off on the tar and feathers.
They tried their best? How on earth do we know that?
They all got straight A's....... ;)
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
Their LOI was for 2011, not 2012. These kids tried their best to become eligible, it just didn't work out. Until they sign a LOI with another team, lets hold off on the tar and feathers.
They tried their best? How on earth do we know that?
They all got straight A's....... ;)
Yes but they werent qualitized
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
Your NLI is null and void if you fail to qualify.
That's why we've heard nothing from admin or AD, etc. - the student-athlete becomes a recruit again. Does that mean the staff has to follow compliance rules all over again too? So no contact with the players unless it's under the guidelines? If so, that means the staff (or any school for that matter) can only speak with Norvel, Amir and JaKarr as recruits through the October 5th contact period?
Basically but phone calls and calls to family and coaches involved with the recruits can occur during just about any recruiting period.
Also players can call the coaches.
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
Their LOI was for 2011, not 2012. These kids tried their best to become eligible, it just didn't work out. Until they sign a LOI with another team, lets hold off on the tar and feathers.
They tried their best? How on earth do we know that?
They all got straight A's....... ;)
Lol straight A's
I can see how a parent would be extremely mad and disappointed ,if SJU sent them to PA to get qualified and their kids did their parts academically but SJU was incompetent in choosing the right academic setting to get them eligible to attend college at SJU.How can the parent trust the SJU again?
It is a learning situation for all parties involved, live and learn. But I have no ill will if they choose to go somewhere else , if they failed over the summer then my views would change
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What is the point of signing an LOI if you don't have to honor it?
Your NLI is null and void if you fail to qualify.
That's why we've heard nothing from admin or AD, etc. - the student-athlete becomes a recruit again. Does that mean the staff has to follow compliance rules all over again too? So no contact with the players unless it's under the guidelines? If so, that means the staff (or any school for that matter) can only speak with Norvel, Amir and JaKarr as recruits through the October 5th contact period?
Basically but phone calls and calls to family and coaches involved with the recruits can occur during just about any recruiting period.
Also players can call the coaches.
That's good if the lines of communication remain open at least with family and coaches. I hope the guys stay in touch with the staff and compliance advisors.
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Latest from Zags on Pelle: Quotes Pelle directly and he says he did not decommit.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/#more-58308 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/09/22/report-st-johns-pelle-to-prep-school/#more-58308)
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Lol straight A's
I can see how a parent would be extremely mad and disappointed ,if SJU sent them to PA to get qualified and their kids did their parts academically but SJU was incompetent in choosing the right academic setting to get them eligible to attend college at SJU.How can the parent trust the SJU again?
It is a learning situation for all parties involved, live and learn. But I have no ill will if they choose to go somewhere else , if they failed over the summer then my views would change
I'm not sure if you have followed all the threads, but this institution has never had another student fail to qualify. At least that is what I have heard thrown out there on different forums.
So I don't think that blaming SJU for sending them to that school is fair.
The unanswered question is why the NCAA failed to qualify them. I haven't heard any allegations of cheating. So what is the real story? I'm sure some people know, but aren't sharing. Something is rotten in Denmark.
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Lol straight A's
I can see how a parent would be extremely mad and disappointed ,if SJU sent them to PA to get qualified and their kids did their parts academically but SJU was incompetent in choosing the right academic setting to get them eligible to attend college at SJU.How can the parent trust the SJU again?
It is a learning situation for all parties involved, live and learn. But I have no ill will if they choose to go somewhere else , if they failed over the summer then my views would change
I'm not sure if you have followed all the threads, but this institution has never had another student fail to qualify. At least that is what I have heard thrown out there on different forums.
So I don't think that blaming SJU for sending them to that school is fair.
The unanswered question is why the NCAA failed to qualify them. I haven't heard any allegations of cheating. So what is the real story? I'm sure some people know, but aren't sharing. Something is rotten in Denmark.
And it's not the cheese!
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It was the pelle interview on zags where He looked confused on what he was doing at Rise or what was going on seem like bad commutation from the start. But i guess the players , Lavin & the NCAA take blame for this unfortunate situation just call it 33%
Lol straight A's
I can see how a parent would be extremely mad and disappointed ,if SJU sent them to PA to get qualified and their kids did their parts academically but SJU was incompetent in choosing the right academic setting to get them eligible to attend college at SJU.How can the parent trust the SJU again?
It is a learning situation for all parties involved, live and learn. But I have no ill will if they choose to go somewhere else , if they failed over the summer then my views would change
I'm not sure if you have followed all the threads, but this institution has never had another student fail to qualify. At least that is what I have heard thrown out there on different forums.
So I don't think that blaming SJU for sending them to that school is fair.
The unanswered question is why the NCAA failed to qualify them. I haven't heard any allegations of cheating. So what is the real story? I'm sure some people know, but aren't sharing. Something is rotten in Denmark.
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Why Pelle has been moved to 2012 class?
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[Why Pelle has been moved to 2012 class?]
Maybe we should ask Pelle that question 3 months from now?
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Why Pelle has been moved to 2012 class?
Best guess based on available information. Article mentions he will spend all year at prep
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Why Pelle has been moved to 2012 class?
Best guess based on available information. Article mentions he will spend all year at prep
Thanks.
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Why Pelle has been moved to 2012 class?
Best guess based on available information. Article mentions he will spend all year at prep
Is there a 2nd article? The Zags article said:
A source close to the Phelps School admission process confirmed that Pelle was on campus there Thursday.
“He’s as good as enrolled,” the source told SNY.tv, confirming news first reported by Keith Pompey of Philly.com.
The source said he was still under the impression that Pelle wanted to attend St. John’s, but it was unclear when he might become eligible.
“If something happens between now and January and he can be in college for the second semester we’ll certainly help him get there,” the source said.
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Why Pelle has been moved to 2012 class?
Best guess based on available information. Article mentions he will spend all year at prep
Is there a 2nd article? The Zags article said:
A source close to the Phelps School admission process confirmed that Pelle was on campus there Thursday.
“He’s as good as enrolled,” the source told SNY.tv, confirming news first reported by Keith Pompey of Philly.com.
The source said he was still under the impression that Pelle wanted to attend St. John’s, but it was unclear when he might become eligible.
“If something happens between now and January and he can be in college for the second semester we’ll certainly help him get there,” the source said.
Thanks CR. Really hope that Norvel sees this thing out and stays with SJU, whether it be this season or does the entire prep year and suits up in 2012.
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Lol straight A's
I can see how a parent would be extremely mad and disappointed ,if SJU sent them to PA to get qualified and their kids did their parts academically but SJU was incompetent in choosing the right academic setting to get them eligible to attend college at SJU.How can the parent trust the SJU again?
It is a learning situation for all parties involved, live and learn. But I have no ill will if they choose to go somewhere else , if they failed over the summer then my views would change
I'm not sure if you have followed all the threads, but this institution has never had another student fail to qualify. At least that is what I have heard thrown out there on different forums.
So I don't think that blaming SJU for sending them to that school is fair.
The unanswered question is why the NCAA failed to qualify them. I haven't heard any allegations of cheating. So what is the real story? I'm sure some people know, but aren't sharing. Something is rotten in Denmark.
From what I understand, they couldn't produce sufficient evidence that they got the A's, such as graded tests and papers. I am not sure if this is completely accurate because nothing official was released as to the reasons. But I know this is a reason that I have heard a few times. I don't get this part because why wouldn't someone have the tests and such to show the NCAA.
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Lol straight A's
I can see how a parent would be extremely mad and disappointed ,if SJU sent them to PA to get qualified and their kids did their parts academically but SJU was incompetent in choosing the right academic setting to get them eligible to attend college at SJU.How can the parent trust the SJU again?
It is a learning situation for all parties involved, live and learn. But I have no ill will if they choose to go somewhere else , if they failed over the summer then my views would change
I'm not sure if you have followed all the threads, but this institution has never had another student fail to qualify. At least that is what I have heard thrown out there on different forums.
So I don't think that blaming SJU for sending them to that school is fair.
The unanswered question is why the NCAA failed to qualify them. I haven't heard any allegations of cheating. So what is the real story? I'm sure some people know, but aren't sharing. Something is rotten in Denmark.
From what I understand, they couldn't produce sufficient evidence that they got the A's, such as graded tests and papers. I am not sure if this is completely accurate because nothing official was released as to the reasons. But I know this is a reason that I have heard a few times. I don't get this part because why wouldn't someone have the tests and such to show the NCAA.
I know student-athletes don't get too far trying to take on the NCAA, but wouldn't the teachers of those courses at Rise Academy have a decent shot at the NCAA in court? If the above is true, the NCAA has basically just accused all of the instructors who dealt with the three kids of being liars and cheaters, submitting false documents, etc.
Pretty serious accusations, the kind that destroy careers....
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I know student-athletes don't get too far trying to take on the NCAA, but wouldn't the teachers of those courses at Rise Academy have a decent shot at the NCAA in court? If the above is true, the NCAA has basically just accused all of the instructors who dealt with the three kids of being liars and cheaters, submitting false documents, etc.
Pretty serious accusations, the kind that destroy careers....
From what I can tell, Rise isn't a school. It's an academy that works with schools in the area. So it's not Rise, but the underlying schools that have a black eye imo.
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I know student-athletes don't get too far trying to take on the NCAA, but wouldn't the teachers of those courses at Rise Academy have a decent shot at the NCAA in court? If the above is true, the NCAA has basically just accused all of the instructors who dealt with the three kids of being liars and cheaters, submitting false documents, etc.
Pretty serious accusations, the kind that destroy careers....
From what I can tell, Rise isn't a school. It's an academy that works with schools in the area. So it's not Rise, but the underlying schools that have a black eye imo.
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These 3 got some bad advice
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Some one posted a site which claimed that only two courses could be attended in a summer session with an exception for dyslectic students. Implication being St. John's was claiming all three were dyslectic. Does anyone know if there is a truth to this claim?
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Why Pelle has been moved to 2012 class?
Best guess based on available information. Article mentions he will spend all year at prep
Is there a 2nd article? The Zags article said:
A source close to the Phelps School admission process confirmed that Pelle was on campus there Thursday.
“He’s as good as enrolled,” the source told SNY.tv, confirming news first reported by Keith Pompey of Philly.com.
The source said he was still under the impression that Pelle wanted to attend St. John’s, but it was unclear when he might become eligible.
“If something happens between now and January and he can be in college for the second semester we’ll certainly help him get there,” the source said.
I use the term "article" lightly in this case...It was a blurb from philly.com.
"The source said Pelle will spend a year at the boarding school in Malvern and play for its post-graduate team."
Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/St-Johns-recruit-enrolls-at-Phelps-School.html#ixzz1YtWqPYzW (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/St-Johns-recruit-enrolls-at-Phelps-School.html#ixzz1YtWqPYzW)
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We can most likely forget both Pelle & Sampson, what a mistake to recruit both of them (imo) in hindsight because now we're left with a small future lineup with no OTHER bigtime Centers or PF's to secure commitments from that we have a good shot at signing (imo) in regard to the current 2012 class. Lavin and his staff are basically handcuffed going forward (imo) for the next potential two seasons.
Garett sounds like he might come here still though (good chance). To lose one bigtime recruit to NCAA academic requirements hurts let alone potentially two or even perhaps three of them.
Read the latest Pelle article today on "Rivals.com" (not good if your a Johnnies fan), he could be heading eventually to San Diego State.
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Read the latest Pelle article today on "Rivals.com" (not good if your a Johnnies fan), he could be heading eventually to San Diego State.
That article was bogus. Go back and read the more recent Zags article.
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Read the latest Pelle article today on "Rivals.com" (not good if your a Johnnies fan), he could be heading eventually to San Diego State.
That article was bogus. Go back and read the more recent Zags article.
How do we know what article is bogus and what one isn't? This at the very best does not sound too encouraging for S. John's fans that Pelle looking elsewhere too. Lavin needs to get back to work recruiting other Centers/PF's immediately/ASAP in the 2012 class. We can forget this year, I don't think we'll see either Pelle or Sampson on the St. John's BB court playing for the Johnnies.
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Read the latest Pelle article today on "Rivals.com" (not good if your a Johnnies fan), he could be heading eventually to San Diego State.
That article was bogus. Go back and read the more recent Zags article.
How do we know what article is bogus and what one isn't? This at the very best does not sound too encouraging for S. John's fans that Pelle looking elsewhere too. Lavin needs to get back to work recruiting other Centers/PF's immediately/ASAP in the 2012 class. We can forget this year, I don't think we'll see either Pelle or Sampson on the St. John's BB court playing for the Johnnies.
Because if your following the thread the Zags article had quotes from his sister disputing and Pelle on his twitter disputed. In fact the sister called the quotes 'lies'.
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Read the latest Pelle article today on "Rivals.com" (not good if your a Johnnies fan), he could be heading eventually to San Diego State.
That article was bogus. Go back and read the more recent Zags article.
How do we know what article is bogus and what one isn't? This at the very best does not sound too encouraging for S. John's fans that Pelle looking elsewhere too. Lavin needs to get back to work recruiting other Centers/PF's immediately/ASAP in the 2012 class. We can forget this year, I don't think we'll see either Pelle or Sampson on the St. John's BB court playing for the Johnnies.
Go read it and then come back and tell me what you think.
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"The source said Pelle will spend a year at the boarding school in Malvern and play for its post-graduate team."
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I'm not sure if this is accurate. Pelle does not need to do an entire year. All three just needed a few classes, which they can complete in the first semester. I still like our chances of landing Pelle. He has not officially decommited, and he is going to prep school on the east coast. If Pelle was considering SDSU, which has been the rumor, why would he be away from family and friends just to go to prep school on the east coast? Doesn't make sense to me. I believe he, along with Amir, are in the mix to join the team in December.
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Away from family and friends?
I think it's so funny how these recruits get so homesick, and miss their mommy and daddy. It's like their 8, and this ia summer camp for the first time. The kid is at least 18, man up.
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Away from family and friends?
I think it's so funny how these recruits get so homesick, and miss their mommy and daddy. It's like their 8, and this ia summer camp for the first time. The kid is at least 18, man up.
Wow. Just wow
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Away from family and friends?
I think it's so funny how these recruits get so homesick, and miss their mommy and daddy. It's like their 8, and this ia summer camp for the first time. The kid is at least 18, man up.
You are right... homesick my a$$, it's called a better deal just came down the pike.
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Did I miss something, or is Pelle still on board for SJU as far as we know? He's prepping out east. Give him the benefit of the doubt I suppose, until he officially de-commits. I'd still love to see him work his tail off and be here next fall.
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He should work his tail off now, get it here by December.
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He should work his tail off now, get it here by December.
Just because you want him here doesn't mean it is necessarily an option. I'm pretty sure all guys would love to be qualified for this entire season if it was an option.
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Away from family and friends?
I think it's so funny how these recruits get so homesick, and miss their mommy and daddy. It's like their 8, and this ia summer camp for the first time. The kid is at least 18, man up.
You are right... homesick my a$$, it's called a better deal just came down the pike.
You two guys feel a kinship?
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He should work his tail off now, get it here by December.
You act like he owes you someth g. Grow up and if you are a fan of this program get behind the kids that committed to it. It sounds like you are challenging these kids to leave. we need this kid.
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Away from family and friends?
I think it's so funny how these recruits get so homesick, and miss their mommy and daddy. It's like their 8, and this ia summer camp for the first time. The kid is at least 18, man up.
Your missing the point, which is he has other options that may be more favorable. The fact that he choose to prep out east makes me believe that he is still trying to become eligible to suit up for STJ in December. If he needed a full year the staff would not have made him go to Rise in the summer. I think its looking good for him being here in December.
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Away from family and friends?
I think it's so funny how these recruits get so homesick, and miss their mommy and daddy. It's like their 8, and this ia summer camp for the first time. The kid is at least 18, man up.
You are right... homesick my a$$, it's called a better deal just came down the pike.
You don't think they got paper out west? Its called being in a better position where the staff can help him become eligible by December. Much harder to do if he is out West.
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Why was Norvel moved to 2012, while Amir is still listed as 2011.
I thought they are still both equally (but Amir has vocalized SJU more) possible for Dec 2011 ?
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Why was Norvel moved to 2012, while Amir is still listed as 2011.
I thought they are still both equally (but Amir has vocalized SJU more) possible for Dec 2011 ?
Nothing definitive has come out but it sure looks like Amir is intent on being here in December. Mostly based on the blurb in philly.com it appears Pelle will be at the prep school all year.
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I could live with him being in prep school for a year, as long as hes here next year.
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I could live with him being in prep school for a year, as long as hes here next year.
Rather get him in for December.
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I could live with him being in prep school for a year, as long as hes here next year.
Rather get him in for December.
Would love to have him in December!
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a bit of good news...
i saw phil greene and norvel exchange tweets this morning. phil said to norvel, "we need you". to which norvel said "i heard".
also good news from norvel:
damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
Jus finish takin two test and I knw I got a 100% on both
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a bit of good news...
i saw phil greene and norvel exchange tweets this morning. phil said to norvel, "we need you". to which norvel said "i heard".
also good news from norvel:
damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
Jus finish takin two test and I knw I got a 100% on both
Not those A's again! Norvel, just concentrate on being a B student. It just looks better.
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I really hoping that we see Norvel in December.
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a bit of good news...
i saw phil greene and norvel exchange tweets this morning. phil said to norvel, "we need you". to which norvel said "i heard".
also good news from norvel:
damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
Jus finish takin two test and I knw I got a 100% on both
Not those A's again! Norvel, just concentrate on being a B student. It just looks better.
LOL. Yeah, next thing you know the NCAA will be handing down the death penalty! But I want him in Dec, too. C'mon kid, you can do it!
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Norvel has been quiet which I think is a good thing. I hope this means he is committed to getting his work done and coming here either in December or next fall. I just want him here, December would be awesome but adding him for 2012 with Gathers who is a stud and Wood who seems to a real sleeper would be fine also. We have to think ahead and if Norvel can get here by 2012 we will have a hell of a team.
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a bit of good news...
i saw phil greene and norvel exchange tweets this morning. phil said to norvel, "we need you". to which norvel said "i heard".
also good news from norvel:
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damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
Jus finish takin two test and I knw I got a 100% on both
The fact the he thinks he got 100 % is good news because he will qualify if he keeps it up and he is showing responsibility. Saying" I heard" means nothing. I would love him to say is I cant wait to go to SJU.
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a bit of good news...
i saw phil greene and norvel exchange tweets this morning. phil said to norvel, "we need you". to which norvel said "i heard".
also good news from norvel:
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damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
Jus finish takin two test and I knw I got a 100% on both
The fact the he thinks he got 100 % is good news because he will qualify if he keeps it up and he is showing responsibility. Saying" I heard" means nothing. I would love him to say is I cant wait to go to SJU.
i guess, but the fact that he's still communicating with his teammates (which Norvel initiated, btw) has to be a good sign.
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It is good news if he initiated.
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amir is also trying to get pelle to play with him in two weeks at is8 it seems like through twitter..it also seems like pelle is taking the sats this morning
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amir is also trying to get pelle to play with him in two weeks at is8 it seems like through twitter..it also seems like pelle is taking the sats this morning
That is also the weekend of midnight madness, hopefully Pelle attends
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Pelle was headed with Amir, seems to is8 today. All signs indicate Norvel is on board so far. I really want to see this kid succeed and make it here at SJU. Keeping this class together is great for both the kids and team chemistry. As I said before, there aren't a ton of schools that will look out for you the way the people at SJU do. Not many schools who would keep a kid like Rob Thomas on bball scholarship and get a kid like that to finish with a degree, regardless of the fact that he wasn't a real contributor in bball. I think kids like Pelle, Amir and the rest will do well to see it through. Good people here. Pulling for you Norvel.
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At this point I could care less what these guys do on the court. Get it done in the classroom
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At this point I could care less what these guys do on the court. Get it done in the classroom
Baldi, if you were a real fan, you'd be showing support for his recreational activity.
At the very least, you'd be following him around with flash cards.
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At this point I could care less what these guys do on the court. Get it done in the classroom
Baldi, if you were a real fan, you'd be showing support for his recreational activity.
At the very least, you'd be following him around with flash cards.
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At this point I could care less what these guys do on the court. Get it done in the classroom
Baldi, if you were a real fan, you'd be showing support for his recreational activity.
At the very least, you'd be following him around with flash cards.
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At this point I could care less what these guys do on the court. Get it done in the classroom
Baldi, if you were a real fan, you'd be showing support for his recreational activity.
At the very least, you'd be following him around with flash cards.
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You better be smart if you want to play for Nick Saban. Runs the most sophisticated defenses in college football.
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At this point I could care less what these guys do on the court. Get it done in the classroom
Baldi, if you were a real fan, you'd be showing support for his recreational activity.
At the very least, you'd be following him around with flash cards.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd215/dovetr/hahbama.jpg)
You better be smart if you want to play for Nick Saban. Runs the most sophisticated defenses in college football.
I wonder how many of his "smart" players can point out Canada on a map. ... Or even Alabama.
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So maybe geography is not their best subject-doesn't make them bad people. :)
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At this point I could care less what these guys do on the court. Get it done in the classroom
Baldi, if you were a real fan, you'd be showing support for his recreational activity.
At the very least, you'd be following him around with flash cards.
(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd215/dovetr/hahbama.jpg)
You better be smart if you want to play for Nick Saban. Runs the most sophisticated defenses in college football.
I wonder how many of his "smart" players can point out Canada on a map. ... Or even Alabama.
This from a fan of a team with 3 of 10 players academic casualties while Bama has no academically ineligible players on a roster of 85. ??? ::)
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Well Norvel tweets that he's getting A's in his classes. Let's hope that all is on the straight and narrow entering second semester for Pelle to get cleared. I don't believe he needs the entire year, but haven't read any confirmation on that from anybody. We know Jakarr needs the whole year.
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Well Norvel tweets that he's getting A's in his classes. Let's hope that all is on the straight and narrow entering second semester for Pelle to get cleared. I don't believe he needs the entire year, but haven't read any confirmation on that from anybody. We know Jakarr needs the whole year.
JaKarr may just get by even with this year due to all the traveling his squad will be doing.
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Let's hope that all is on the straight and narrow entering second semester for Pelle to get cleared. I don't believe he needs the entire year, but haven't read any confirmation on that from anybody. We know Jakarr needs the whole year.
I don't any of the 3 of them NEED a whole year.
If the 3 (uncredited) classes were done in 6-8 weeks over the summer,
why cant they be completed in a 3 month semester ?
Even Sampson with a trimester (a little harder) @ prep should complete 3 classes ?
Lets not read too much into a blurb on philly.com or a comment from a coach.
I'm an optimist ! I still hope/expect that at least 2 make it here in December.
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Let's hope that all is on the straight and narrow entering second semester for Pelle to get cleared. I don't believe he needs the entire year, but haven't read any confirmation on that from anybody. We know Jakarr needs the whole year.
I don't any of the 3 of them NEED a whole year.
If the 3 (uncredited) classes were done in 6-8 weeks over the summer,
why cant they be completed in a 3 month semester ?
Even Sampson with a trimester (a little harder) @ prep should complete 3 classes ?
Lets not read too much into a blurb on philly.com or a comment from a coach.
I'm an optimist ! I still hope/expect that at least 2 make it here in December.
I'm hoping for the same. I just don't know the specifics about what they need. Amir swears he'll be here in December, so I guess that's not out of the question. Pelle says he's getting A's in his classes at Phelps, so I guess it's another good sign. Keep our fingers crossed and hope to add these two in December.
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the way i read this tweet, it seems like pelle is not planning on playing this season
@damn_Norvel: prayers go out to Coach Lav and his family.. much luv coach good lucc to St. Johns bball this yr.
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I think its a great sign he said much luv coach. Seems to be referring to him as his coach
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I think its a great sign he said much luv coach. Seems to be referring to him as his coach
Yeah but the 2nd line about 'this year' I'm not enamored with.
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I think its a great sign he said much luv coach. Seems to be referring to him as his coach
Yeah but the 2nd line about 'this year' I'm not enamored with.
He very well may need the full year but I don't think he was trying to indicate that one way or the other with that quote.
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The year ends in December. Just saying.
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Would not read too much into the tweet, I think Norvel on board and we could have him back in December. He will be in NY next weekend to play IS8
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I think its a great sign he said much luv coach. Seems to be referring to him as his coach
Yeah but the 2nd line about 'this year' I'm not enamored with.
I guess it depends on how you look at it. He just very well may be wishing his team good luck this year while he is away.
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We really need this kid. Unless he can not get qualified. I see no reason why he would not come in December. Playing time is waiting.
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We really need this kid. Unless he can not get qualified. I see no reason why he would not come in December. Playing time is waiting.
PT will be waiting even if it is next season. The kid has a world of talent and seems like a good kid. We should all be encouraging him to be at SJU regardless of whether it is in December or next fall. He's not out taking visits like Jakarr is, so at this point I assume he's on board for SJU until proven otherwise.
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We really need this kid. Unless he can not get qualified. I see no reason why he would not come in December. Playing time is waiting.
PT will be waiting even if it is next season. The kid has a world of talent and seems like a good kid. We should all be encouraging him to be at SJU regardless of whether it is in December or next fall. He's not out taking visits like Jakarr is, so at this point I assume he's on board for SJU until proven otherwise.
Worst case scenario. One year older/more developed and mature. I wonder where Rivals #1 ranked 2011 center would rank in the class of 2012?
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We really need this kid. Unless he can not get qualified. I see no reason why he would not come in December. Playing time is waiting.
PT will be waiting even if it is next season. The kid has a world of talent and seems like a good kid. We should all be encouraging him to be at SJU regardless of whether it is in December or next fall. He's not out taking visits like Jakarr is, so at this point I assume he's on board for SJU until proven otherwise.
Worst case scenario. One year older/more developed and mature. I wonder where Rivals #1 ranked 2011 center would rank in the class of 2012?
Pelle is top 3 center in that class IMP. Steve Adams might be tops, with Tarcewski up there, but Pelle is a world more athletic than Tarczewski and a better shotblocker. Tarczewski is a Pryzbilla-like player. Adams headed to Pitt is a beast. Some others are listed at center but are really more PF types, like DeJuan Coleman etc. He's big but undersized. I like Pelle better. No center in that class is as good of a shotblocker nor athlete as Pelle. The guy most similar is in 2013 class and his name is Nerlens Noel. He's a defensive animal.
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There isn't a center as athletic as Pelle that I have seen in a long time. He is a must for St Johns when he is eligible.
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There isn't a center as athletic as Pelle that I have seen in a long time. He is a must for St Johns when he is eligible.
It's been mentioned before on here.... Longtime recruiting analyst, Brick Oettinger stated (paraphrased), "Pelle has the quickest first and second leaps that he has seen in many years."
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There isn't a center as athletic as Pelle that I have seen in a long time. He is a must for St Johns when he is eligible.
It's been mentioned before on here.... Longtime recruiting analyst, Brick Oettinger stated (paraphrased), "Pelle has the quickest first and second leaps that he has seen in many years."
When I saw him play twice last year, I simply could not believe how quick he was getting out on the break despite being the rebounder on the defensive end. He is a 5 who plays like a 3 when not in a half court offense.
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I think its a great sign he said much luv coach. Seems to be referring to him as his coach
Yeah but the 2nd line about 'this year' I'm not enamored with.
I guess it depends on how you look at it. He just very well may be wishing his team good luck this year while he is away.
Instead of wishing the team good luck this year or this semester or whatever, I would have felt a whole lot better if he had written something like "till I join you" or "till I get there" (or, given his tweets, grammatical variations thereof). From what I'm seeing, I'm not overly optimistic about Pelle ever coming here, but next to Harkless and maybe Harrison, but he's the guy I wanted the most -- his size, quickness, and presence in the middle would make a major difference. Just wish he'd sound more like Amir in his commitment to this team.
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I have posted this before-since I was a frosh at St J 72'73 I have never seen a big man like Pelle at St J and now I have to worry that I still wont. Come on Norvelle get the grades and come back to the teepee.
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I have posted this before-since I was a frosh at St J 72'73 I have never seen a big man like Pelle at St J and now I have to worry that I still wont. Come on Norvelle get the grades and come back to the teepee.
What about Phil Waite ;D
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I think its a great sign he said much luv coach. Seems to be referring to him as his coach
Yeah but the 2nd line about 'this year' I'm not enamored with.
I guess it depends on how you look at it. He just very well may be wishing his team good luck this year while he is away.
Instead of wishing the team good luck this year or this semester or whatever, I would have felt a whole lot better if he had written something like "till I join you" or "till I get there" (or, given his tweets, grammatical variations thereof). From what I'm seeing, I'm not overly optimistic about Pelle ever coming here, but next to Harkless and maybe Harrison, but he's the guy I wanted the most -- his size, quickness, and presence in the middle would make a major difference. Just wish he'd sound more like Amir in his commitment to this team.
Sure I would like him to sound more like Amir, but why dont we focus more on what he hasn't said, which is that he is opening up his recruitment. He has not decommited from the school. There is a reason why he signed on to play with Lavin and company, that same reason still exist. I am optimistic that not only is Pelle still coming here, but he will be here in December. Everything he has done (or hasn't done) suggests that.
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The kid has been quiet and is back in school, those are good signs to me. We would all love for him to say that he loves SJU and he will be here in December but not every kid is a dedicated as Amir seems to be. The only info that we have now is that he is committed to us and working on getting qualified. We need this kid but to analyze his tweets will drive you nuts, just let it play out and we will know soon enough what he will do.
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Do you think Norvelle knows why he's not eligible?
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Amir tweeted that he'll be at midnight madness this Friday. Shortly afteR, Norvel tweeted "Guess where I'm gonna be this Friday?". I think it is pretty apparent that Norvel is still on board. He's prepping in Philly and seems he'll be at midnight madness this week. He's a very important recruit for us. I think he's a kid that has probably felt that he hasn't needed to re-affirm his commitment as he never had a reason to as he hasn't changes his mind. It would be huge to have rivals #1 center come aboard for the big east schedule.
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Amir tweeted that he'll be at midnight madness this Friday. Shortly afteR, Norvel tweeted "Guess where I'm gonna be this Friday?". I think it is pretty apparent that Norvel is still on board. He's prepping in Philly and seems he'll be at midnight madness this week. He's a very important recruit for us. I think he's a kid that has probably felt that he hasn't needed to re-affirm his commitment as he never had a reason to as he hasn't changes his mind. It would be huge to have rivals #1 center come aboard for the big east schedule.
Agreed. If he shows up for midnight madness it would be a great sign to where his allegiance lies
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Amir tweeted that he'll be at midnight madness this Friday. Shortly afteR, Norvel tweeted "Guess where I'm gonna be this Friday?". I think it is pretty apparent that Norvel is still on board. He's prepping in Philly and seems he'll be at midnight madness this week. He's a very important recruit for us. I think he's a kid that has probably felt that he hasn't needed to re-affirm his commitment as he never had a reason to as he hasn't changes his mind. It would be huge to have rivals #1 center come aboard for the big east schedule.
Agreed. If he shows up for midnight madness it would be a great sign to where his allegiance lies
Hey, who would have thought that the most important recruits at our 2011 midnight madness would be 2011 signees? Lol. Well, McCullough is a big one too...
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Norvelle you da man! Johnnies all the way baby! Hope to see you in the lineup in DEC! :)
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People at MM need to show their support to Norvel and Amir, as well as Rico and Wood if they both attend, we need no further defections from the program. The fans students etc. need to be vocal
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Every time I see Pelle post on twitter or Facebook, he makes it sound like he knows he's not going to be eligible this season. He keeps referring to playing "next year."
From today:
Norvel Pelle It's hard but its only goin to help me get better for nxt yr.
I've already prepared myself to not have Amir, Pelle, or Sampson suit up. I know it's not optimistic, but looks like the most realistic scenario.
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Every time I see Pelle post on twitter or Facebook, he makes it sound like he knows he's not going to be eligible this season. He keeps referring to playing "next year."
From today:
Norvel Pelle It's hard but its only goin to help me get better for nxt yr.
I've already prepared myself to not have Amir, Pelle, or Sampson suit up. I know it's not optimistic, but looks like the most realistic scenario.
I hope that is not the case but if so, let's hope he signs his LOI to stay with St Johns. We really need him more than either Amir or Sampson this year due to his size
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Every time I see Pelle post on twitter or Facebook, he makes it sound like he knows he's not going to be eligible this season. He keeps referring to playing "next year."
From today:
Norvel Pelle It's hard but its only goin to help me get better for nxt yr.
Could he mean it literally? It's possible he maybe referring to next calendar year. I only say this because if he has to do a whole year I don't understand why the staff put him into summer school to try and get qualified if it was not for this year. I also don't believe he would be prepping on the east coast if he had to do a entire school year. We will see, just keep getting those A's Pelle!
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Every time I see Pelle post on twitter or Facebook, he makes it sound like he knows he's not going to be eligible this season. He keeps referring to playing "next year."
From today:
Norvel Pelle It's hard but its only goin to help me get better for nxt yr.
Could he mean it literally? It's possible he maybe referring to next calendar year. I only say this because if he has to do a whole year I don't understand why the staff put him into summer school to try and get qualified if it was not for this year. I also don't believe he would be prepping on the east coast if he had to do a entire school year. We will see, just keep getting those A's Pelle!
Good point, he would likely be at Findlay if he had to do an entire year
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Guys - I am pretty sure its all but impossible for these kids to play this year for St. John's.
There are NCAA rules regarding how you are permitted to go about replacing Core GPA classes and these kids didn't replace their core classes with in the time frame allowed by the NCAA rules. Unless there is a loop hole I don't know about (which certainly can be the case), neither Norvel or Amir will be suiting up for St. John's this season. Sampson has already said he is attending the entire year @ Brewster.
Under normal circumstances a player can replace one core class for his GPA within 3 months of his graduation from high school. If a player is officially "labled" as having having a learning disability, as these three players were, you can replace 3 core classes. All three players were in RISE to replace 3 core classes within the 3 month time frame and didn't get it done or at least the NCAA declared they didn't get it done. The window for these kids to get their grades in order closed and they all now have to do another full year at school getting the needed grades.
I apologize if I am not understanding the rules correctly and please let me know if I am wrong but I think I understand the rules correctly.
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Guys - I am pretty sure its all but impossible for these kids to play this year for St. John's.
There are NCAA rules regarding how you are permitted to go about replacing Core GPA classes and these kids didn't replace their core classes with in the time frame allowed by the NCAA rules. Unless there is a loop hole I don't know about (which certainly can be the case), neither Norvel or Amir will be suiting up for St. John's this season. Sampson has already said he is attending the entire year @ Brewster.
Under normal circumstances a player can replace one core class for his GPA within 3 months of his graduation from high school. If a player is officially "labled" as having having a learning disability, as these three players were, you can replace 3 core classes. All three players were in RISE to replace 3 core classes within the 3 month time frame and didn't get it done or at least the NCAA declared they didn't get it done. The window for these kids to get their grades in order closed and they all now have to do another full year at school getting the needed grades.
I apologize if I am not understanding the rules correctly and please let me know if I am wrong but I think I understand the rules correctly.
The reasons and classes vary for all 3 so it is not fair to lump them in. Lot of misinformation by the media. JaKarr was a bit of a Hail Mary to begin with. It is possible that the other 2 could gain eligiblity by December. They may not but rules do not prohibit this.
And see LaQuinton Ross as evidence. He was declared a non-qualifier by the NCAA at Ohio St. Plans to go home complete I believe 1 or 2 classes and retake his boards in time to enroll and clear by December at Ohio St.
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LaQuinton Ross:
But Ross’ coach the past two years at Life Center Academy in Burlington, N.J., Wilson Arroyo, said the 6-foot-8, 225-pound wing could become eligible after fall quarter ends Dec. 8. Arroyo said his understanding of the rule is that Ross would not have to wait until the start of winter quarter Jan. 3.
“Once you become eligible, you’re eligible,” he said. “School doesn’t have to be in session.”
The best-case scenario, in that case, is Ross would miss eight games.
Ross could become eligible, Arroyo said, in this way:
• He passes online math and English courses similar to those in which his grades were red-flagged by the NCAA this summer;
• He retakes the ACT and SAT college entrance exams;
• His revised cumulative high-school grade-point average, combined with his ACT or SAT score, are sufficient for initial eligibility according to the NCAA’s “sliding scale.”
Upcoming test dates are Oct. 22 and Dec. 10 for the ACT, and Oct. 1 and Nov. 5 for the SAT. Arroyo said Ross will take both tests to maximize his chances for becoming eligible.
Ross’ eligibility has been in question since August, when Bucknuts.com reported that two “D” grades Ross received while in high school in Jackson were registered erroneously as “C” on his official transcript.
Jackson schools changed to a grade scale in 2009 in which previous “D” scores became “C.” But the change was not retroactive, the NCAA ruled Ross’ grades would remain “D,” and that, combined with his test score, made him ineligible on the NCAA’s sliding scale. Ohio State appealed but was denied.
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/09/27/ohio-state-freshman-declared-ineligible.html (http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/09/27/ohio-state-freshman-declared-ineligible.html)
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Fordham - I am not sure how you are understanding the rules but they were explained to me by local Div I head coach. He told me they are very clear cut regarding how players can go about replacing classes that apply to their core GPA.
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Fordham - I am not sure how you are understanding the rules but they were explained to me by local Div I head coach. He told me they are very clear cut regarding how players can go about replacing classes that apply to their core GPA.
I don't understand your point. First off you don't know exactly why they were not cleared and secondly you do not understand what classes they need to finish.
More importantly how do you explain how Shaq Thomas had to leave Cincy to go back and complete classes online during the summer to qualify at Cincy? He literally did that in a few weeks.
LaQuinton Ross is going to try to do that in a couple of months.
I don't care who you talked to.
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LaQuinton Ross:
But Ross’ coach the past two years at Life Center Academy in Burlington, N.J., Wilson Arroyo, said the 6-foot-8, 225-pound wing could become eligible after fall quarter ends Dec. 8. Arroyo said his understanding of the rule is that Ross would not have to wait until the start of winter quarter Jan. 3.
“Once you become eligible, you’re eligible,” he said. “School doesn’t have to be in session.”
The best-case scenario, in that case, is Ross would miss eight games.
Ross could become eligible, Arroyo said, in this way:
• He passes online math and English courses similar to those in which his grades were red-flagged by the NCAA this summer;
• He retakes the ACT and SAT college entrance exams;
• His revised cumulative high-school grade-point average, combined with his ACT or SAT score, are sufficient for initial eligibility according to the NCAA’s “sliding scale.”
Upcoming test dates are Oct. 22 and Dec. 10 for the ACT, and Oct. 1 and Nov. 5 for the SAT. Arroyo said Ross will take both tests to maximize his chances for becoming eligible.
Ross’ eligibility has been in question since August, when Bucknuts.com reported that two “D” grades Ross received while in high school in Jackson were registered erroneously as “C” on his official transcript.
Jackson schools changed to a grade scale in 2009 in which previous “D” scores became “C.” But the change was not retroactive, the NCAA ruled Ross’ grades would remain “D,” and that, combined with his test score, made him ineligible on the NCAA’s sliding scale. Ohio State appealed but was denied.
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/09/27/ohio-state-freshman-declared-ineligible.html (http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/09/27/ohio-state-freshman-declared-ineligible.html)
I think you're on the right track Fordham. Pelle re-took his SAT's a week or two ago... It would see, that is the route he is aiming for. Regardless of the fact that I'd love to get him in December, even if we don't, it is equally imperative at we keep both Amir and Norvel on board and headed to SJU. Both are money players, and regardless of what happens this season, it is extremely important to at least keep them for the 2012 recruiting class. I've left Jakarr out of the equation for now because I'm not counting on him.
If Pelle gets a reasonable score coupled with A's in his classes at Phelps, it seems he has a decent shot to be here in December ala LaQuinton Ross...
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Fordham - I am not sure how you are understanding the rules but they were explained to me by local Div I head coach. He told me they are very clear cut regarding how players can go about replacing classes that apply to their core GPA.
I don't understand your point. First off you don't know exactly why they were not cleared and secondly you do not understand what classes they need to finish.
More importantly how do you explain how Shaq Thomas had to leave Cincy to go back and complete classes online during the summer to qualify at Cincy? He literally did that in a few weeks.
LaQuinton Ross is going to try to do that in a couple of months.
I don't care who you talked to.
He's talking to too many seton hall insiders... ;D. Fwiw, I think he's assuming that all these kids are trying to replace 3 core classes which is likely not the case.
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MCNPA - since I do not know Kevin Willard, that would not be the guy that explained the rules to me, but you your comment was funny. I am friends with four other local head coaches though and yes, it was one of them who explained how it works. Is there a chance they are wrong about the rules, yes. Do I think they understand how the rules apply to high school players, yes. I hope the coach is misunderstanding the rules but somehow I doubt it.
Also - these kids were all trying to replace 3 core classes, why would they have been taking three classes each in RISE if they were not needed.
Someone made a comment that Fordham didn't like and he goes on the attack (shocking).
Also Fordham.. I do know why they were not cleared, do you..?
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Also - these kids were all trying to replace 3 core classes, why would they have been taking three classes each in RISE if they were not needed.
Because they was tryin to move it ahead where the core use to be graded.
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Has an incoming freshman that was not qualified in the fall ever been able to get qualified by December? I guess it has happened but I can't think of any.
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Has an incoming freshman that was not qualified in the fall ever been able to get qualified by December? I guess it has happened but I can't think of any.
Not for us off the top of my head but I'm sure there has. Seems like a lot of possible guys this year for other schools as well.
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PMG...I did some research....I think the 3 month time limit is an old rule. According to NCAA you now have a year to complete one extra course (or 3 extra courses if learning disabled). I was not optimistic but maybe there is a chance they can be ready in December (assuming they meet all the requirements).
Will courses taken after my senior year meet core-course requirements?
For Division I, maybe. Only courses completed in grades nine through 12 will qualify as core
courses for Division I. If you graduate from high school on time (in eight semesters) with your
incoming ninth grade class, you may use one core course completed in the year after
graduation (summer or academic year) prior to full-time collegiate enrollment. You may
complete the core course at a location other than the high school from which you graduated
and may initially enroll full time at a collegiate institution at any time after completion of the
core course.
For students with diagnosed disabilities.
• For Division I only, beginning August 1, 2010, a student must graduate "on time" in order to use
up to three (3) additional approved core courses taken before full-time enrollment in college.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/037d9e804e0b8ac79cf0fc1ad6fc8b25/Initial_Eligibility_FAQ.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=037d9e804e0b8ac79cf0fc1ad6fc8b25 (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/037d9e804e0b8ac79cf0fc1ad6fc8b25/Initial_Eligibility_FAQ.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=037d9e804e0b8ac79cf0fc1ad6fc8b25)
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Also - these kids were all trying to replace 3 core classes, why would they have been taking three classes each in RISE if they were not needed.
Because they was tryin to move it ahead where the core use to be graded.
Bingo.
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BTW-To further the story about possibly getting eligible by December, Kevin Ware of Louisville is in the same boat. Also declared a non-qualifier in September he is trying to get to Louisville to enroll by December:
Since being denied admission at UofL for the fall semester, Ware has been working to improve his academic standing in hopes of enrolling at Louisville in December.
“I speak with Kevin just about daily,” said Emory Walton, an AAU coach for the Atlanta Celtics. “He’s doing the things he needs to do to be at Louisville December 14 or 15. It was a last minute thing and he’ll get it done this time around. It’s killing him sitting at home.”
Walton didn’t want to talk specifically about Ware’s academic status, but it sounds like he’s trying to boost his core grade point average.
http://louisville.scout.com/2/1113792.html (http://louisville.scout.com/2/1113792.html)
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according to below, Pelle doesn't appear to be in school anymore... certainly not a good sign.
damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
San Diego trip wit my main bros @btantTheShooter and @FlightTimeCelly and @bucketsacademy. Let's goo
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according to below, Pelle doesn't appear to be in school anymore... certainly not a good sign.
damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
San Diego trip wit my main bros @btantTheShooter and @FlightTimeCelly and @bucketsacademy. Let's goo
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Not a good sign at all from the looks of it.
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this kid is going to be flipping burgers at in and out for the rest of this life if he doesnt get his head on straight
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Looks like he deleted his twitter account.
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Looks like he deleted his twitter account.
No he didnt.
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Looks like he deleted his twitter account.
He still has a Twitter account, mkras.
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/damn_Norvel
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What if Norvel thought the person was asking why he wasn't at STJ? Something 'did' happen there. Lets not start coming up with negative theories please.
It was clear he was going to Cali after MM from last week and why would he being going to MM if something 'happened'?
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Looks like he deleted his twitter account.
No he didnt.
My bad - when I clicked on his name in some of those threads, said user didn't exist.
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Looks like he deleted his twitter account.
No he didnt.
My bad - when I clicked on his name in some of those threads, said user didn't exist.
Yeah I know what you mean. If these kids change their name and you google their name and Twitter the old results still show and click to page not found.
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What if Norvel thought the person was asking why he wasn't at STJ? Something 'did' happen there. Lets not start coming up with negative theories please.
It was clear he was going to Cali after MM from last week and why would he being going to MM if something 'happened'?
That is exactly what I think he means.
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I think Pelle is still committed to us, but I also think Polee and Spencer are doing everything in their power to make him attend SDSU.
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Could be fall break for the prep school.
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I think Pelle is still committed to us, but I also think Polee and Spencer are doing everything in their power to make him attend SDSU.
Pelle didn't even know where Spencer committed a few weeks ago.
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Could be fall break for the prep school.
Looked at Phelps School site. They actually had no classes on Monday this week. Also saw that they are on trimesters. I'm guessing that means by Thanksgiving we will know where Pelle stands?
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I think Pelle is still committed to us, but I also think Polee and Spencer are doing everything in their power to make him attend SDSU.
Pelle didn't even know where Spencer committed a few weeks ago.
OK, scratch that. But that rat bastard Polee is up to no good. ;D
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I think Pelle is still committed to us, but I also think Polee and Spencer are doing everything in their power to make him attend SDSU.
Pelle didn't even know where Spencer committed a few weeks ago.
OK, scratch that. But that rat bastard Polee is up to no good. ;D
It is really overrated to see how "tight" these guys are with each other.
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Good piece of info to know. Thanks.
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If they are on trimesters he is on a real short leash. I know that was the reason that Jakarr was a no go for December before he decomitted. Is it possible for him to be eligible in December if they are on trimesters?
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the trimester schedule is weird. exams for 1st semester are november 17th. campus then closes on the 18th. 2nd semester classes begin november 29. the 2nd semester ends january 23rd.
does this mean we can know about his eligibility as soon as november 18th?!
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I would guess the only shot of him coming here this year is if he finished his classes in the first trimester. I am really hoping that this is possible. Any one have any idea if this can be done?
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I would hazard a guess they he can be eligible after one trimester otherwise we were sold a bill of goods that he could be eligible to play in Dec 21 game.
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I would hazard a guess they he can be eligible after one trimester otherwise we were sold a bill of goods that he could be eligible to play in Dec 21 game.
I guess we'll really just be waiting for his exams in mid November and if he gets his stuff done, NCAA clearance. He certainly must have been able to complete it in one trimester if the guy quoted at Phelps said he could and that it was up to him.
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I would hazard a guess they he can be eligible after one trimester otherwise we were sold a bill of goods that he could be eligible to play in Dec 21 game.
I guess we'll really just be waiting for his exams in mid November and if he gets his stuff done, NCAA clearance. He certainly must have been able to complete it in one trimester if the guy quoted at Phelps said he could and that it was up to him.
If there's a lesson to be learned for all of us here, it's that we shouldn't be either optimistic or pessimistic about any recruit who INITIALLY fails to qualify. I wouldn't bank on any of the (3) players who didn't qualify from this point forward and I would DEFINITELY exhaust all other options in the meantime of trying to fill those 3 ships in next years St. John's recruiting class/2012.
What amazes me though about this is here we have this super-staff with a Special Adviser etc. hired by St. John's and none of them made sure that these 3 players took the necessary courses to qualify and had no recourse/back-up plan just in case they didn't that was almost as suitable. Now before you get angry that I said that please ask yourselves this question; am I right or wrong or is that true or not true or is that not a current fact? We're going into this upcoming season 3 scholarship players short, that's 25% of our roster short (NOT GOOD) plus no true-Center. It's going to potentially be a long and brutal season my fellow Redmen I'm sorry to have to say.
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If there's a lesson to be learned for all of us here, it's that we shouldn't be either optimistic or pessimistic about any recruit who INITIALLY fails to qualify. I wouldn't bank on any of the (3) players who didn't qualify from this point forward and I would DEFINITELY exhaust all other options in the meantime of trying to fill those 3 ships in next years St. John's recruiting class/2012.
What amazes me though about this is here we have this super-staff with a Special Adviser etc. hired by St. John's and none of them made sure that these 3 players took the necessary courses to qualify and had no recourse/back-up plan just in case they didn't that was almost as suitable. Now before you get angry that I said that please ask yourselves this question; am I right or wrong or is that true or not true or is that not a current fact? We're going into this upcoming season 3 scholarship players short, that's 25% of our roster short (NOT GOOD) plus no true-Center. It's going to potentially be a long and brutal season my fellow Redmen I'm sorry to have to say.
Or we can just wait until December when all the picture is less hazy regarding Garrett and Pelle.
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I would hazard a guess they he can be eligible after one trimester otherwise we were sold a bill of goods that he could be eligible to play in Dec 21 game.
I guess we'll really just be waiting for his exams in mid November and if he gets his stuff done, NCAA clearance. He certainly must have been able to complete it in one trimester if the guy quoted at Phelps said he could and that it was up to him.
If there's a lesson to be learned for all of us here, it's that we shouldn't be either optimistic or pessimistic about any recruit who INITIALLY fails to qualify. I wouldn't bank on any of the (3) players who didn't qualify from this point forward and I would DEFINITELY exhaust all other options in the meantime of trying to fill those 3 ships in next years St. John's recruiting class/2012.
What amazes me though about this is here we have this super-staff with a Special Adviser etc. hired by St. John's and none of them made sure that these 3 players took the necessary courses to qualify and had no recourse/back-up plan just in case they didn't that was almost as suitable. Now before you get angry that I said that please ask yourselves this question; am I right or wrong or is that true or not true or is that not a current fact? We're going into this upcoming season 3 scholarship players short, that's 25% of our roster short (NOT GOOD) plus no true-Center. It's going to potentially be a long and brutal season my fellow Redmen I'm sorry to have to say.
Actually, the staff did monitor the kids, made sure they took and passed the classes needed to qualify. Havn't you been following the boards? All three completed all of their classes with passing grades from an NCAA certified school. Short of holding a gun to the heads of the Clearinghouse review board, there's not much else that COULD have been done by the staff....
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I would hazard a guess they he can be eligible after one trimester otherwise we were sold a bill of goods that he could be eligible to play in Dec 21 game.
I guess we'll really just be waiting for his exams in mid November and if he gets his stuff done, NCAA clearance. He certainly must have been able to complete it in one trimester if the guy quoted at Phelps said he could and that it was up to him.
If there's a lesson to be learned for all of us here, it's that we shouldn't be either optimistic or pessimistic about any recruit who INITIALLY fails to qualify. I wouldn't bank on any of the (3) players who didn't qualify from this point forward and I would DEFINITELY exhaust all other options in the meantime of trying to fill those 3 ships in next years St. John's recruiting class/2012.
What amazes me though about this is here we have this super-staff with a Special Adviser etc. hired by St. John's and none of them made sure that these 3 players took the necessary courses to qualify and had no recourse/back-up plan just in case they didn't that was almost as suitable. Now before you get angry that I said that please ask yourselves this question; am I right or wrong or is that true or not true or is that not a current fact? We're going into this upcoming season 3 scholarship players short, that's 25% of our roster short (NOT GOOD) plus no true-Center. It's going to potentially be a long and brutal season my fellow Redmen I'm sorry to have to say.
Hey Lap, did Steve tell you at any time he was done recruiting players for the 2011 class? I'm glad he got 6 who made it.
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Although I would love to see him in Dec, If he didnt qualify and signs a LOI for next year, I would not be overly dissapointed.
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I would hazard a guess they he can be eligible after one trimester otherwise we were sold a bill of goods that he could be eligible to play in Dec 21 game.
I guess we'll really just be waiting for his exams in mid November and if he gets his stuff done, NCAA clearance. He certainly must have been able to complete it in one trimester if the guy quoted at Phelps said he could and that it was up to him.
If there's a lesson to be learned for all of us here, it's that we shouldn't be either optimistic or pessimistic about any recruit who INITIALLY fails to qualify. I wouldn't bank on any of the (3) players who didn't qualify from this point forward and I would DEFINITELY exhaust all other options in the meantime of trying to fill those 3 ships in next years St. John's recruiting class/2012.
What amazes me though about this is here we have this super-staff with a Special Adviser etc. hired by St. John's and none of them made sure that these 3 players took the necessary courses to qualify and had no recourse/back-up plan just in case they didn't that was almost as suitable. Now before you get angry that I said that please ask yourselves this question; am I right or wrong or is that true or not true or is that not a current fact? We're going into this upcoming season 3 scholarship players short, that's 25% of our roster short (NOT GOOD) plus no true-Center. It's going to potentially be a long and brutal season my fellow Redmen I'm sorry to have to say.
Actually, the staff did monitor the kids, made sure they took and passed the classes needed to qualify. Havn't you been following the boards? All three completed all of their classes with passing grades from an NCAA certified school. Short of holding a gun to the heads of the Clearinghouse review board, there's not much else that COULD have been done by the staff....
Did all 3 take the RIGHT/CORRECT needed courses to qualify? [If the answer is no than maybe the staff should have made sure they took the CORRECT NEEDED COURSES for starters.] EX: What goes is monitoring them and each of these 3 players/recruits doing well in these courses if they were advised to take the WRONG courses? Perhaps that's what is bothering Sampson & Pelle...that they were advised to take the wrong couse(s). I don't know, but think about what I'm saying if that were the case (if it was the case and perhaps that wasn't the case).
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I would hazard a guess they he can be eligible after one trimester otherwise we were sold a bill of goods that he could be eligible to play in Dec 21 game.
I guess we'll really just be waiting for his exams in mid November and if he gets his stuff done, NCAA clearance. He certainly must have been able to complete it in one trimester if the guy quoted at Phelps said he could and that it was up to him.
If there's a lesson to be learned for all of us here, it's that we shouldn't be either optimistic or pessimistic about any recruit who INITIALLY fails to qualify. I wouldn't bank on any of the (3) players who didn't qualify from this point forward and I would DEFINITELY exhaust all other options in the meantime of trying to fill those 3 ships in next years St. John's recruiting class/2012.
What amazes me though about this is here we have this super-staff with a Special Adviser etc. hired by St. John's and none of them made sure that these 3 players took the necessary courses to qualify and had no recourse/back-up plan just in case they didn't that was almost as suitable. Now before you get angry that I said that please ask yourselves this question; am I right or wrong or is that true or not true or is that not a current fact? We're going into this upcoming season 3 scholarship players short, that's 25% of our roster short (NOT GOOD) plus no true-Center. It's going to potentially be a long and brutal season my fellow Redmen I'm sorry to have to say.
Actually, the staff did monitor the kids, made sure they took and passed the classes needed to qualify. Havn't you been following the boards? All three completed all of their classes with passing grades from an NCAA certified school. Short of holding a gun to the heads of the Clearinghouse review board, there's not much else that COULD have been done by the staff....
Did all 3 take the RIGHT/CORRECT needed courses to qualify? [If the answer is no than maybe the staff should have made sure they took the CORRECT NEEDED COURSES for starters.] EX: What goes is monitoring them and each of these 3 players/recruits doing well in these courses if they were advised to take the WRONG courses? Perhaps that's what is bothering Sampson & Pelle...that they were advised to take the wrong couse(s). I don't know, but think about what I'm saying if that were the case (if it was the case and perhaps that wasn't the case).
Its not that. They took the classes. They just didn't get a high enough grade based on the sliding scale of their SAT score.
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I would hazard a guess they he can be eligible after one trimester otherwise we were sold a bill of goods that he could be eligible to play in Dec 21 game.
I guess we'll really just be waiting for his exams in mid November and if he gets his stuff done, NCAA clearance. He certainly must have been able to complete it in one trimester if the guy quoted at Phelps said he could and that it was up to him.
If there's a lesson to be learned for all of us here, it's that we shouldn't be either optimistic or pessimistic about any recruit who INITIALLY fails to qualify. I wouldn't bank on any of the (3) players who didn't qualify from this point forward and I would DEFINITELY exhaust all other options in the meantime of trying to fill those 3 ships in next years St. John's recruiting class/2012.
What amazes me though about this is here we have this super-staff with a Special Adviser etc. hired by St. John's and none of them made sure that these 3 players took the necessary courses to qualify and had no recourse/back-up plan just in case they didn't that was almost as suitable. Now before you get angry that I said that please ask yourselves this question; am I right or wrong or is that true or not true or is that not a current fact? We're going into this upcoming season 3 scholarship players short, that's 25% of our roster short (NOT GOOD) plus no true-Center. It's going to potentially be a long and brutal season my fellow Redmen I'm sorry to have to say.
Actually, the staff did monitor the kids, made sure they took and passed the classes needed to qualify. Havn't you been following the boards? All three completed all of their classes with passing grades from an NCAA certified school. Short of holding a gun to the heads of the Clearinghouse review board, there's not much else that COULD have been done by the staff....
Did all 3 take the RIGHT/CORRECT needed courses to qualify? [If the answer is no than maybe the staff should have made sure they took the CORRECT NEEDED COURSES for starters.] EX: What goes is monitoring them and each of these 3 players/recruits doing well in these courses if they were advised to take the WRONG courses? Perhaps that's what is bothering Sampson & Pelle...that they were advised to take the wrong couse(s). I don't know, but think about what I'm saying if that were the case (if it was the case and perhaps that wasn't the case).
Its not that. They took the classes. They just didn't get a high enough grade based on the sliding scale of their SAT score.
I thought the story was all 3 got 3 As inall 3 of the classes thet took. What did they need all A pluses?
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:knuppel2:ALL THIS THREAD NEEDS IS ANOTHER INANE COMMENT FROM 11CELTICK :knuppel2:
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I could be way off but I think if one of them went to Rise instead of three, there wouldn't have been a problem. Three players from the same program looks a little fishy.
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I could be way off but I think if one of them went to Rise instead of three, there wouldn't have been a problem. Three players from the same program looks a little fishy.
Absolutely right.
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Doesn't sound like Pelle will be here this season.
damn_Norvel
I need to go play basketball
53 minutes ago
BuckkBeeezy
@damn_Norvel You hoopin for anybody?
52 minutes ago
@damn_Norvel
@BuckkBeeezy I'm at this prep school
BuckkBeeezy
@damn_Norvel high scool or College?
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damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
@BuckkBeeezy college nxt yr
49 minutes ago
BuckkBeeezy
@damn_Norvel So you doing a 5th year?
47 minutes ago
damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
@BuckkBeeezy yea I hve too
46 minutes ago
BuckkBeeezy Daryus D. Henderson
@damn_Norvel Shit I don't blame you, I took a year off. But you still in Cali?
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damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
@BuckkBeeezy naw Pennsylvania.
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Norvel also tweeted: "bein home makes me realize y I went to the east coast". If he's not playing this year, it sure looks like Norvel will be at SJU in 2012. I don't have a problem with that at all. Just give me Amir this season and I think we can run. Is anybody really going to be upset if we briing in Pelle, Gathers, Wood and maybe another player or two for 12' plus the guys we have already? We'll be monstrous next year either way...
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Norvel also tweeted: "bein home makes me realize y I went to the east coast". If he's not playing this year, it sure looks like Norvel will be at SJU in 2012. I don't have a problem with that at all. Just give me Amir this season and I think we can run. Is anybody really going to be upset if we briing in Pelle, Gathers, Wood and maybe another player or two for 12' plus the guys we have already? We'll be monstrous next year either way...
Like you said, as long as he suits up for St. John's, whether it's this year or next, I'll be happy with it.
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We really need this kid. Pelle and Gathers are the perfect yin and yang down low.
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We really need this kid. Pelle and Gathers are the perfect yin and yang down low.
Even it's next year, it will be fantastic to bring in 2 big guys like this two to complete some of our weak points this season ie. Post players. I just hope Norvel stays the course and suits up with SJU. I really think he has some amazing tools to work with and with Dunlap and Rico developing him could be fantastic.
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If hes not playing in Dec, lets get his LOI for 2012 so we can have 1 less thing to worry about. Its true things would look good next year with Gathers,Pelle,GG and a 6"8-6"9 Harkless. .
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When I read "bein home makes me realize y I went to the east coast," I'm not coming away feeling optimistic about his being here next year. To me, it's like saying, "What the hell was I thinking, leaving home, which I miss, and going to New York."
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When I read "bein home makes me realize y I went to the east coast," I'm not coming away feeling optimistic about his being here next year. To me, it's like saying, "What the hell was I thinking, leaving home, which I miss, and going to New York."
Huh? First off I plead with you to stop reading so much into these tweets.
But doesn't saying "bein home makes me realize y I went to the east coast" sound like he forgot why he wanted to go away for school then went back home and realized, "Yeah this is why I want to be in NY for school?"
In other words it confirms with him that he made the RIGHT choice originally to go to NY for college.
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I could be way off but I think if one of them went to Rise instead of three, there wouldn't have been a problem. Three players from the same program looks a little fishy.
+1/that too
This was not that well of a thought out plan by the SJU staff (imo). If all 3 got A's and they still didn't qualify than perhaps all 3 needed two courses a piece instead of one etc or three courses insted of 2 etc. etc., plus all 3 players going to the same school to take these classes probably raised the NCAA eyebrows even if it was legit/on the cuff.
I think someone like Sampson might have said to himself (make-believe Sampson) "I did everything that the SJU coaches asked me to do and still didn't qualify so who's fault is that? Not mine" I hope I'm very mistaken about the way I'm perceiving this.
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When I read "bein home makes me realize y I went to the east coast," I'm not coming away feeling optimistic about his being here next year. To me, it's like saying, "What the hell was I thinking, leaving home, which I miss, and going to New York."
Huh? First off I plead with you to stop reading so much into these tweets.
But doesn't saying "bein home makes me realize y I went to the east coast" sound like he forgot why he wanted to go away for school then went back home and realized, "Yeah this is why I want to be in NY for school?"
In other words it confirms with him that he made the RIGHT choice originally to go to NY for college.
Fordham, confession on my part: Didn't grasp the "y" (i.e., "why") in his tweet. Thanks for bringing me back to earth. And yes, these tweets drive me crazy. (Preferred it when people communicated in fully spelled out words and thoughts.)
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Norvel still confirming he needs to leave Cali and see the world. Also tells a friend "get at me in NY". Not sure what that means I. Twitter-speak, but I think we can be fairly comfortable that Norvel is headed to SJU either this season or next.
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someone just asked norvel if he still plans on still going to stjohns and he said to dm him and he'll tell him, not sure what that means
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someone just asked norvel if he still plans on still going to stjohns and he said to dm him and he'll tell him, not sure what that means
It just means he'll tell him privately, not on twitter. Just gotta hope we have him in the fold for 2012. If not, hope Lavin finds another post guy sooner rather than later. I wanna see Norvel here. Not sure why Norvel is so cryptic about his future, but he seems to have been that way all along. Not fun for the SJU fans but hey, gotta let Lavin worry bout that stuff.
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someone just asked norvel if he still plans on still going to stjohns and he said to dm him and he'll tell him, not sure what that means
It just means he'll tell him privately, not on twitter. Just gotta hope we have him in the fold for 2012. If not, hope Lavin finds another post guy sooner rather than later. I wanna see Norvel here. Not sure why Norvel is so cryptic about his future, but he seems to have been that way all along. Not fun for the SJU fans but hey, gotta let Lavin worry bout that stuff.
I'd also love for Pelle to remain committed to St. John's, but I'm certainly not holding my breath. Hopefully, Garrett is able to "work" him and try to keep him committed. I can easily see this not ending in our favor.
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someone just asked norvel if he still plans on still going to stjohns and he said to dm him and he'll tell him, not sure what that means
OK fess up.
What poster asked him?
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Question from the naive/ unconnected here.... Are we certain Norvel would be a 2012 sign at this point if he does stay committed?
Is next semester out of the question?
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Question from the naive/ unconnected here.... Are we certain Norvel would be a 2012 sign at this point if he does stay committed?
Is next semester out of the question?
I think at best he is most likely looking at a fall 2012 enrollment based on what he has said.
All I can say is that he doesn't want to talk about when/where he will go to college.
He came to St Johns tip off and was having a good time. His family wants him at St Johns (as evidenced by sisters interview with Zags). The family wants him away from California. They trust Lavin and the staff.
They trusted the staff enough to allow them to help place him at Phelps rather than go west to a Findlay for example.
I think he is being pulled by people to go to SDSU. He understands what is best for him.
If I were a betting man, I would say it is slim he enrolls at St Johns in Dec.
I would say that 80% chance he comes in Sept 2012 with 20% chance he enrolls at SDSU or another west coast school.
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OK fess up.
What poster asked him?
Whomever it was, hopefully we hear what the answer was.
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OK fess up.
What poster asked him?
Whomever it was, hopefully we hear what the answer was.
The person who asked him was Bryce Cartwright, who plays PG for Iowa, not a poster on this board.
Quincy Roberts just asked if he was going to St. John's too and he said he would direct message him as well. Maybe someone can get Quincy to spill the beans.
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I would like quincy on this team. Always thaught he was under valued.
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OK fess up.
What poster asked him?
Whomever it was, hopefully we hear what the answer was.
The person who asked him was Bryce Cartwright, who plays PG for Iowa, not a poster on this board.
Quincy Roberts just asked if he was going to St. John's too and he said he would direct message him as well. Maybe someone can get Quincy to spill the beans.
My guess would be that Dave knows him.
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damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
Idk where imma b nxt yr?? Jus leaving it in Gods hand
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damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
Idk where imma b nxt yr?? Jus leaving it in Gods hand
So God'sgift is going to decide for Norvel? :2funny:
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damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
Idk where imma b nxt yr?? Jus leaving it in Gods hand
So God'sgift is going to decide for Norvel? :2funny:
If Pelle goes elsewhere, I wouldn't mind seeing God's hands around his throat.:2funny:
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damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
Idk where imma b nxt yr?? Jus leaving it in Gods hand
So God'sgift is going to decide for Norvel? :2funny:
If Pelle goes elsewhere, I wouldn't mind seeing God's hands around his throat.:2funny:
The Sledge Hammer gonna get 'em!
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damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
Idk where imma b nxt yr?? Jus leaving it in Gods hand
So God'sgift is going to decide for Norvel? :2funny:
I think he wants to be at SJU but doesn't want to get his hopes up. I think the "god's hands" means he doesn't know where he's going to make it just yet. The kid thought he was going to be eligible this season. Then December, now next year. If he doesn't get it done he might have to go JUCO next year. He can say he's headed to SJU but I think he doesn't want to say anything prematurely at this point. At least that's how I read it. Let him get qualified, then we'll see.
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damn_Norvel norvel STiX pelle
Idk where imma b nxt yr?? Jus leaving it in Gods hand
So God'sgift is going to decide for Norvel? :2funny:
I think he wants to be at SJU but doesn't want to get his hopes up. I think the "god's hands" means he doesn't know where he's going to make it just yet. The kid thought he was going to be eligible this season. Then December, now next year. If he doesn't get it done he might have to go JUCO next year. He can say he's headed to SJU but I think he doesn't want to say anything prematurely at this point. At least that's how I read it. Let him get qualified, then we'll see.
That is exactly what I was thinking. I believe its clear he still wants to come to STJ, getting qualified is another story. Stay positive Norvel, you can do it.
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Not a good sign, pelle on twitter " imma let them know by monday" in response to a sdsu tweet that said cant wait til mon for you to e an aztec. Guess he reopened his staus without all the neg feelings sampson got from usits fine for a 18 yr old kid to have 2nd thoughts, but it puts us behind the 8 ball for a big man this or next season. Anyway hope he still stays with us we need you norv
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Not a good sign, pelle on twitter " imma let them know by monday" in response to a sdsu tweet that said cant wait til mon for you to e an aztec. Guess he reopened his staus without all the neg feelings sampson got from usits fine for a 18 yr old kid to have 2nd thoughts, but it puts us behind the 8 ball for a big man this or next season. Anyway hope he still stays with us we need you norv
I don't think we can read too much into Norvel's response. That said, I hope his answer to SDSU on Monday is no thanks.
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Just did'nt know he was thinking of or officially offered.
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seems polee and family are official GARBAGE
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i think he's gone. amir tweeted him a couple days ago:
@damn_Norvel thats sign bro, you can't leave me man, lol!!!
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seems polee and family are official GARBAGE
Polee or Pelle? Either way its uncalled for. Stay classy shurina.
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We need more guys like amir, the minute he enters his first game in december at home we should be on our feet and give him a great welcome. Keep your eye on the prize amir, six or so weeks and your here!!!!
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i think he's gone. amir tweeted him a couple days ago:
@damn_Norvel thats sign bro, you can't leave me man, lol!!!
He was jokingly referring to a certain sign.
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Would'nt polee's father panic when sdsu adds another talented big, lol he'll transfer the kid to a bubble.
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i think he's gone. amir tweeted him a couple days ago:
@damn_Norvel thats sign bro, you can't leave me man, lol!!!
He was jokingly referring to a certain sign.
right. the "sign" was a fortune that read "it's not in your character to give up." so i take amir's response to mean that norvel has given up on stj.
anyway, all this is speculation. but i've given up on norvel. seems like a young, indecisive, fragile teenager who appears to have been home sick since the summer. i actually think it's best for him to stay in Cali. i think he needs to have a good support system constantly around him. i hope whatever decision he makes, that it's best for his mental being.
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i think he's gone. amir tweeted him a couple days ago:
@damn_Norvel thats sign bro, you can't leave me man, lol!!!
He was jokingly referring to a certain sign.
right. the "sign" was a fortune that read "it's not in your character to give up." so i take amir's response to mean that norvel has given up on stj.
anyway, all this is speculation. but i've given up on norvel. seems like a young, indecisive, fragile teenager who appears to have been home sick since the summer. i actually think it's best for him to stay in Cali. i think he needs to have a good support system constantly around him. i hope whatever decision he makes, that it's best for his mental being.
Wow...what are you talking about? You are psychoanalyzing his tweets now? Let it go. If he comes great...if not so what? Stop stalking him and you'll live a much happier life.
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i think he's gone. amir tweeted him a couple days ago:
@damn_Norvel thats sign bro, you can't leave me man, lol!!!
He was jokingly referring to a certain sign.
right. the "sign" was a fortune that read "it's not in your character to give up." so i take amir's response to mean that norvel has given up on stj.
anyway, all this is speculation. but i've given up on norvel. seems like a young, indecisive, fragile teenager who appears to have been home sick since the summer. i actually think it's best for him to stay in Cali. i think he needs to have a good support system constantly around him. i hope whatever decision he makes, that it's best for his mental being.
It's silly to psychoanalyze if you aren't going to read all the info. He also has commented recently that he now knows why he left the west coast, and made allusions that leaving was good for his mental well being. That said, nobody knows what he's gong to do. All we can do is hope that he follows his commitments through and attends SJU. In the end, I think that SJU is a place that he'll get a lot of support that he won't at most other places both on and off the court.
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i think he's gone. amir tweeted him a couple days ago:
@damn_Norvel thats sign bro, you can't leave me man, lol!!!
He was jokingly referring to a certain sign.
right. the "sign" was a fortune that read "it's not in your character to give up." so i take amir's response to mean that norvel has given up on stj.
anyway, all this is speculation. but i've given up on norvel. seems like a young, indecisive, fragile teenager who appears to have been home sick since the summer. i actually think it's best for him to stay in Cali. i think he needs to have a good support system constantly around him. i hope whatever decision he makes, that it's best for his mental being.
Wow...what are you talking about? You are psychoanalyzing his tweets now? Let it go. If he comes great...if not so what? Stop stalking him and you'll live a much happier life.
i live an incredibly happy life. thank you very much. and twitter is PUBLIC. so get it right before you accuse anyone of stalking.
like i said in my post, i hope whatever decision he makes it's the right one for him.
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I think if God were to speak directly with Pelle, he'd say:
Put down the iPhone and pick up a book.
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i think he's gone. amir tweeted him a couple days ago:
@damn_Norvel thats sign bro, you can't leave me man, lol!!!
I dont think amir would be joking around with Norvel if he was seriously considering leaving. Loyality seems to be very important to Amir. Thats my take on the tweet. Norvel wants to play in the league, I can't see him choosing SDSU's staff and players over ours just because Polee may want him to.
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I think if God were to speak directly with Pelle, he'd say:
Put down the iPhone and pick up a book.
Yeah, then get over to SJ's next year and pick up another book - a Bible! ;D
Actually, I recall a few occasions when Norvel said he wanted to attend school at not too big a campus. I think he knew he'd do better at a smaller school. This of course contradicts SDSU's 28,000 undergrads. So we're talking a school that's twice as big as SJ's. Not saying this is a determining factor that will keep Norvel wanting to stick with SJ's. But he prolly is thinking about that if he has visited SDSU. Bottom line is I'm not even thinking about it anymore. I hope he makes the best choice for him. We're biased, but we want him to be with his guys.
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Monday is a big day for me. @damn_norvel.
Just a guess, but I'm thinking it's SDSU.
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Monday is a big day for me. @damn_norvel.
Just a guess, but I'm thinking it's SDSU.
Or he gets his grades from the first trimester and finds out whether he will be eligible in December. (Disclaimer: I have no idea what the tweet means just playing devils advocate)
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Monday is a big day for me. @damn_norvel.
Just a guess, but I'm thinking it's SDSU.
I said this about 3 months ago
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Monday is a big day for me. @damn_norvel.
Just a guess, but I'm thinking it's SDSU.
I said this about 3 months ago
Well personally, it's rare that I say "Monday is a big day for me". I'm not a big fan of Mondays.
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I mean couldnt it be something as normal as his birthday or something?
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I think last week Norvel told some people on twitter that he would let them know whether he was going to SDSU on Monday.
One of the posters on RM said he heard from a member of the coaching staff at the St Marys game that Norvel was staying with us. But he didn't say if that meant Dec or 2012.
I have no inside knowledge, but I gotta think that Monday he's announcing whether he's opening his commitment or staying with us. All his comments have said he's gotta prep this year, so I doubt he'll be elidgible in Dec. Hopefully I'm wrong, but several people have said the trimester schedule will make that difficult/impossible.
But who knows, let's hope for the best. Bottom line is I think all of us will be grateful to have Norvel in the lineup next year.
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He's probably excited to hear about how he did on a test.
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Monday is a big day for me. @damn_norvel.
Just a guess, but I'm thinking it's SDSU.
Or he gets his grades from the first trimester and finds out whether he will be eligible in December.
I was thinking that could be the deal, as well.
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Monday is a big day for me. @damn_norvel.
Just a guess, but I'm thinking it's SDSU.
Or he gets his grades from the first trimester and finds out whether he will be eligible in December.
I was thinking that could be the deal, as well.
Whats he worried about, Straight A's!
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Monday is a big day for me. @damn_norvel.
Just a guess, but I'm thinking it's SDSU.
Or he gets his grades from the first trimester and finds out whether he will be eligible in December.
I was thinking that could be the deal, as well.
Whats he worried about, Straight A's!
Norvel's going to study criminology. His concentration will be cryptography! ;D I did send him the school link for criminology. Everyone wants to study that now - all the CSI shows blew it up. Won't be enough jobs for all these students majoring in it!
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me and novel gone be there, we working hard to get jakarr back with us!! - @Amir_Garrett ... Sounds like good stuff.
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I love this kid already!
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In the wild world of Pelle tweets, today he tweeted wondering how many followers he will lose today. Could meant STJ, could mean SDSU people who have been hounding him.
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6-10 Norvel Pelle expected to re-sign with St. John's this week, Phelps School source confirms to SNY.tv.
http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/134283279032532992 (http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/134283279032532992)
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6-10 Norvel Pelle expected to re-sign with St. John's this week, Phelps School source confirms to SNY.tv.
http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/134283279032532992 (http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/134283279032532992)
Great news! Pelle is the most important recruit hands down.
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6-10 Norvel Pelle expected to re-sign with St. John's this week, Phelps School source confirms to SNY.tv.
http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/134283279032532992 (http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/134283279032532992)
I have never wanted to believe Zags more than this post! It would be AWESOME if Norvel re-commits in the wake of Gathers flaking out of his verbal. I think we need this shot in the arm to re-establish recruiting momentum. Fingers crossed!!
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/11/09/pelle-to-st-johns-for-2012/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/11/09/pelle-to-st-johns-for-2012/)
Pelle coming next year...of course would love him here in December but I'll certainly take it.
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This is actually the best news we could've gotten IMO.
Hopefully Norvel has a great prep year, works on his post-moves; and fills out his frame. We'll need him ready to go when he gets here.
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Pelle recommitting would be great. He is a big piece to the puzzle for us and gets to learn a year/ year and a half behind GG.
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If they get Garrett and Pelle back...that's way better than I thought. 2 out of 3 seemed unlikely when the news first broke. Even though it sucks that they will have to wait until 2012 it's still good news...
That being said, the ink isn't dry on the LOI yet, so I won't completely believe it until then.
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Hold your enthusiasm it's not done deal yet
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When will it be resolved, Dave?
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But when I was telling people he would not be here in December I was:
1. A bad fan
2. Had no idea what I was talking about
3. Was an a$$hole
4. Was a real Seton Hall fan
5. I had an agenda against the program.
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Dave: Will garrett be here in Dec? What is the hold up w Pelle?
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Dave: Will garrett be here in Dec? What is the hold up w Pelle?
I think Garrett has to pass the classes he's taking now- he seems confident.
Pelle- read above posts-
Zags and Kline reporting that he will sign SJU but come in Sept 2012.
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Dave: Will garrett be here in Dec? What is the hold up w Pelle?
I think Garrett has to pass the classes he's taking now- he seems confident.
Pelle- read above posts-
Zags and Kline reporting that he will sign SJU but come in Sept 2012.
Dave just stated rather ominously that the Pelle deal is not a done deal
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But when I was telling people he would not be here in December I was:
1. A bad fan
2. Had no idea what I was talking about
3. Was an a$$hole
4. Was a real Seton Hall fan
5. I had an agenda against the program.
Wrong that is not why people question you. You bring up straw man arguments, whereas you make up your own argument and then answer it as if someone else is asking you this or saying this.
You have become the king of the straw man argument and then try to cry crocodile tears after the fact. It is getting real old.
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Fordham - I have to admit I had to look up what "straw man argument" meant.
I stopped caring what people on here, RM or BEB think about me. I have met some great people on the boards and those that know me and have met me know that I am not making stuff up. In fact, I don't post 90% of the things I hear about the program that I know are true.
Its a double edged sword for anyone who has any real connections to the basketball community to post on message boards. You see stuff posted by people, who claim they know they are talking about, that is BLATANTLY false and wrong. You want to correct them and set the record straight but you cant because you don't want to violate the trust of the peoiple that told you exactly what was going on. So you try to post in a way that puts doubt on what they are claiming but they you get attacked.
The best example of this was the Kyle Anderson recruitment. We were out of that at least a week, if not longer, before he announced. Yet there were people on here claiming they had inside information saying SJU was right there until the end and it was just lies.
Like I said, think or say anything you want about me, I don't care. The people that have gotten to know me know that I am not spewing BS on here. I get PMs all the time from people telling me they appreciate my honesty.
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Don't be shocked if Pelle doesn't come. As talented as he is he might poison the well. He isn't doing a lot of things he should be, sometimes you just have to cut ties. Gathers is a much bigger priority at this point.
PMG/Fordham...lets not take over another thread. PM each other if you want to go back and forth. You guys clearly have a difference of opinion, just ignore each other.
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Fordham - I have to admit I had to look up what "straw man argument" meant.
I stopped caring what people on here, RM or BEB think about me. I have met some great people on the boards and those that know me and have met me know that I am not making stuff up. In fact, I don't post 90% of the things I hear about the program that I know are true.
Its a double edged sword for anyone who has any real connections to the basketball community to post on message boards. You see stuff posted by people, who claim they know they are talking about, that is BLATANTLY false and wrong. You want to correct them and set the record straight but you cant because you don't want to violate the trust of the peoiple that told you exactly what was going on. So you try to post in a way that puts doubt on what they are claiming but they you get attacked.
The best example of this was the Kyle Anderson recruitment. We were out of that at least a week, if not longer, before he announced. Yet there were people on here claiming they had inside information saying SJU was right there until the end and it was just lies.
Like I said, think or say anything you want about me, I don't care. The people that have gotten to know me know that I am not spewing BS on here. I get PMs all the time from people telling me they appreciate my honesty.
I addressed this on another thread. You can accept my explanation/apology or choose to pursue this further by arguing with yourself.
I choose to use this board going forward to discuss my multifarious concerns on various other topics regarding SJU basketball.
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No need for us STJ fans to fight amongst ourselves. I've had my disagreement with many of you, but you are all good guys.
Can't wait for the big man to get on campus!
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Don't be shocked if Pelle doesn't come. As talented as he is he might poison the well. He isn't doing a lot of things he should be, sometimes you just have to cut ties. Gathers is a much bigger priority at this point.
PMG/Fordham...lets not take over another thread. PM each other if you want to go back and forth. You guys clearly have a difference of opinion, just ignore each other.
So your saying there is a chance that the staff would withdraw their offer?
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What do you know Dave? The suspense is killing me.
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dave isn't always accurate. let's see how this plays out...and dave, save this thread so you can call me out down the road.
i hope you're wrong, though.
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dave isn't always accurate. let's see how this plays out...and dave, save this thread so you can call me out down the road.
i hope you're wrong, though.
I very well could be. However fact of the matter remains that is the way it's looking now.
Norvel is a nice kid but he doesn't share the same type of passion for the game as Nuri or Moe. He's 6'10 and can jump. Any coach in America is going to try and tap his potential and make him realize his desire to play but he might not have it. It's not dogging him or saying he's a bad kid because he's not.
I'd love to have him here if he wants to be here and work hard but it might not be the case.
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This is our big man. Double-double. Hell really benefit from a coach like Dunlap on and off the court.
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Dave: I cant figure out exactly what you are saying. I will assume he will not be here in Dec and he will play college Hoops in 2012. A couple of days ago reports had him signing for SJU. Has his interest in SJU decreased? Is he thinking about SDSU? Is he going to postpone his LOI untill the spring?
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Dave: I cant figure out exactly what you are saying. I will assume he will not be here in Dec and he will play college Hoops in 2012. A couple of days ago reports had him signing for SJU. Has his interest in SJU decreased? Is he thinking about SDSU? Is he going to postpone his LOI untill the spring?
You think Norvel even know the answer to all this?
He dont and thats the prob.
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It's been my opinion since early summer that Norvel doesn't have the hunger to play ball. If you follow him on twitter, he rarely talks about playing ball or working out.
Would'nt shock me att all if he never winds up pplaying major college ball anywhere.
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dave isn't always accurate. let's see how this plays out...and dave, save this thread so you can call me out down the road.
i hope you're wrong, though.
I very well could be. However fact of the matter remains that is the way it's looking now.
Norvel is a nice kid but he doesn't share the same type of passion for the game as Nuri or Moe. He's 6'10 and can jump. Any coach in America is going to try and tap his potential and make him realize his desire to play but he might not have it. It's not dogging him or saying he's a bad kid because he's not.
I'd love to have him here if he wants to be here and work hard but it might not be the case.
thanks for clarifying.
while i'm here and not to hijack the site...yours really kicks ass big time. to think you started this from scratch at a time the program bit the big one says a lot.
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dave isn't always accurate. let's see how this plays out...and dave, save this thread so you can call me out down the road.
i hope you're wrong, though.
I very well could be. However fact of the matter remains that is the way it's looking now.
Norvel is a nice kid but he doesn't share the same type of passion for the game as Nuri or Moe. He's 6'10 and can jump. Any coach in America is going to try and tap his potential and make him realize his desire to play but he might not have it. It's not dogging him or saying he's a bad kid because he's not.
I'd love to have him here if he wants to be here and work hard but it might not be the case.
I think though Dave, that something must be taken out of the fact that he did travel across the country for Rise Academy and now for Phelps. The kid seems like he's trying to get eligible. The setbacks seem to take some heart out of him and probably would a few kids. I don't know about his passion for the game because I've never spoken to him, but hope that he sticks it out. I would like to see him a bit more emphatic about SJU though. I hope we get his NLI this week. It would be an indicator that he's serious about both SJU and playing hoops next year. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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any word if he signed? is the deadline up until spring if he did not sign?
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I thought he was just on board a few days ao, now decommits... Damn this kid is flakey. Probably better we move on at this point. I love his intangibles, but he doesn't seem like he wants to take this stuff seriously. Oh well. Need some front court help for next year in a big way. Hopefully gathers and one or two more... Tired of his games.
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Lavin and staff need at least two more bigs for next year. I'm assuming we stay in touch will the three decommits (maybe they cut ties w/ Pelle), and focus a lot of attention on Obekpa. I'd be happy if we could get two out of those four, but that may be optimistic. Also will have to identify some juco bigs.
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Pelle is going to end up at SDSU if he passes his prep classes I was told.
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Sorry to see this happen because he has a world of potential, but I'd rather it happen now then get him on campus and have him turn into James Felton 2.0.
At this point, a rotation of Achiuwa, Obekpa, and Gathers for the two power spots would be a dream come true. It's a shame that other guys possibly slipped through our fingers while Sampson and Pelle were wasting the staff's time.
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I thought he was just on board a few days ao, now decommits... Damn this kid is flakey. Probably better we move on at this point. I love his intangibles, but he doesn't seem like he wants to take this stuff seriously. Oh well. Need some front court help for next year in a big way. Hopefully gathers and one or two more... Tired of his games.
Link?
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Forget it.. I saw the link to the Jungle article on Redmen
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Dave: I cant figure out exactly what you are saying. I will assume he will not be here in Dec and he will play college Hoops in 2012. A couple of days ago reports had him signing for SJU. Has his interest in SJU decreased? Is he thinking about SDSU? Is he going to postpone his LOI untill the spring?
You think Norvel even know the answer to all this?
He dont and thats the prob.
What question does Norvel Know the answer to?
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And another chapter in the saga of Norvel Pelle’s recruitment has been written.
The 6’10 California native, who was ruled ineligible by the NCAA this Fall, was thought to be signing this November and joining the Red Storm in 2012.
But that may no longer be the case.
Read More:
http://johnnyjungle.com/recruiting/breaking-norvel-pelle-decommits-from-st-johns-will-open-up-recruitment/ (http://johnnyjungle.com/recruiting/breaking-norvel-pelle-decommits-from-st-johns-will-open-up-recruitment/)
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Could this be a result of the coaches making this happen? You can only put up with so much before you have to move on....
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I wish Norvel the best. His initial selection of SJU helped enhance the buzz around our reinvigorated recruiting efforts last year, and for that, I'm grateful . He seems like a nice kid, but it appears he needs to figure out what he wants to do with his life, and then just do it.
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Could this be a result of the coaches making this happen? You can only put up with so much before you have to move on....
He sounds like a child on Twitter.
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Pelle is going to end up at SDSU if he passes his prep classes I was told.
It wouldn't surprise me at all. Quite frankly, when I didn't hear about him signing his LOI (last week nor this week) then I had a feeling this would happen. He does have a world of potential, as mentioned by LJSA, but we may just sever ties with him altogether.
Put the full-court press on Obekpa and Jefferson (if, he waits 'til spring), and continue to pursue Gathers in hopes he re-commits in the spring. The staff may also comb through JUCO to find a frontcourt player or two. Currently, our frontcourt is looking rather bleak going into next season. But, there is plenty of time to rectify the situation.
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Someone told me he tweeted recently that he decommitted and then the tweet disappeared.
I have no idea where this kid ends up. Neal Nieves tweeted months back that he thinks Pelle lands at a JUCO when it is all said and done.
Would not surprise me.
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BTW-We criticized Maurice Wingate when he tweeted over the spring that he heard JaKarr would need a prep year, and then Neal Nieves tweeted around the same time that Norvel would not qualify and then Zags tweeted that a source told him that 4 incoming SJU players had not gotten NCAA clearance as of that point (this was late spring and as it turned out 3 would fail to qualify). It turns out these tweets were largely correct in retrospect.
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Just my opinion here is that we need to wish this kid well. People have told me hes a decent, creative kid that needs some support hes is likely not getting.
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It is a pity that we didn´t get Kamari Murphy.
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Just my opinion here is that we need to wish this kid well. People have told me hes a decent, creative kid that needs some support hes is likely not getting.
He does come off like a pretty, decent kid. Seems a bit peculiar, but decent, nonetheless. I also liked how he generally conducted himself and spoke whenever he was interviewed.
There was a website (can't recall the name of it now) that showed off some of his art work, so he's certainly creative. He also probably feels bad that he's not with this current bunch. I'd like for him to get things together and be a part of our 2012 class. On the other hand, it could be time to move on.
I guess the spring period is gonna be quite interesting for us.
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Just my opinion here is that we need to wish this kid well. People have told me hes a decent, creative kid that needs some support hes is likely not getting.
Why wish him well? There is no reason at all for him to decommtt, but he did. The only thing I wish for him is that we face him someday and clean his clock.
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why not wish him well...he's a freeken teenager.
you didn't make any misjudgements when you were a teen?
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Just my opinion here is that we need to wish this kid well. People have told me hes a decent, creative kid that needs some support hes is likely not getting.
Bingo. Good kid...everyone needs to relax. Hopefully he ends up here after all is said and done. He's a great talent and fits well into our system.
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why not wish him well...he's a freeken teenager.
you didn't make any misjudgements when you were a teen?
Maybe so, but my mom always taught me the lesson of consequences for my actions. But in todays world, no one seems to be accountable for anything which is why our eductional and legal systems are a farce.
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Once again, when I said this kid would not be here this Decemeber, I was villified...
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SDSU Rivals.com is basically crowing over the decommitment claiming it confirms their report from September. Despite that both Norvel and his sister claimed that he did not decommit then and his sister said the conversation with the guy from Rivals never happened. Strange to say the least. More important why does he not simply make a public statement on this, just odd to begin with:
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1294664 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1294664)
Norvel Pelle told AztecSportsReport.com back in September that he was going to decommit from St. John's and pursue other schools for 2012 when he becomes academically eligible again.
While it took almost two months, he finally officially decommitted, a source close to the situation confirmed to ASR on Tuesday night. The news was first reported by JohnnyJungle.com.
Pelle decommitted "a while back," the source told ASR, but Pelle kept the news under wraps this time. St. John's is still an option for the 6-foot-10, 210-pound five-star center, and according to the source, is his family's preferred option.
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He actually just tweeted it:
Pelle made the news official on his Twitter page Wednesday morning: "Word is out I decommitted which is true I jus want to thnk all the st johns fan for there support and luv yall showed me."
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He actually just tweeted it:
Pelle made the news official on his Twitter page Wednesday morning: "Word is out I decommitted which is true I jus want to thnk all the st johns fan for there support and luv yall showed me."
It almost sounds like he's moving on from St. John's, altogether. I could be reading too much into it, but it sounds that way. Maybe, his family can attempt to steer him back towards St. John's.
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Once again, when I said this kid would not be here this Decemeber, I was villified...
Brilliant prediction.
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SDSU Rivals.com is basically crowing over the decommitment claiming it confirms their report from September. Despite that both Norvel and his sister claimed that he did not decommit then and his sister said the conversation with the guy from Rivals never happened. Strange to say the least. More important why does he not simply make a public statement on this, just odd to begin with:
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1294664 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1294664)
Norvel Pelle told AztecSportsReport.com back in September that he was going to decommit from St. John's and pursue other schools for 2012 when he becomes academically eligible again.
While it took almost two months, he finally officially decommitted, a source close to the situation confirmed to ASR on Tuesday night. The news was first reported by JohnnyJungle.com.
Pelle decommitted "a while back," the source told ASR, but Pelle kept the news under wraps this time. St. John's is still an option for the 6-foot-10, 210-pound five-star center, and according to the source, is his family's preferred option.
That is certainly not false. I sat on it for a bit because I feared he would change his mind again so I didn't want to prematurely report. However once I confirmed he was going to make it public I knew it wassafe to report. I can't say for certain it was in September but it's been for a few weeks now.
I hinted at it back around signing day and not sure where Lenn or Zags got their information from that he was going to sign because that was 100% false.
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Dave,
Much credit to you with the story. Last Wednesday you hinted at it on here, and turned out to be correct going against pretty much what everyone else was reporting (as he would be signing the LOI).
Any news on where they are looking next besides the usual names of the decommits where we still have a chance and Christopher Obekpa?
Thanks!
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Sounds to me like he's kissing SJU goodbye by thanking us for all the love we showed him. I guess it wasn't enough love.
I don't wish him ill- I hope he gets himself together -wherever he plays. I do have different feelings about the Aztecs-not a big fan of theirs right now-not that they give a bleep. Don't care if that's what teams do when they smell blood-in this case they smelled ours and are quite happy to try and lick it up. From what I've read on the board, (may not be true) they have been at the forefront of encouraging Pelle to let us go and join them. Oh well, we would probably jump on a recruit we liked if we thought we could get him if the situation was reversed.
I do think he has some issues (many do) he needs to get cleared up within his own head before he signs with anyone. He has gone through some very heavy shots with school and qualifying, etc. Not always easy to come to grips with that situation. Here's hoping he does soon, for his sake.
Good call on things Dave.
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SDSU Rivals.com is basically crowing over the decommitment claiming it confirms their report from September. Despite that both Norvel and his sister claimed that he did not decommit then and his sister said the conversation with the guy from Rivals never happened. Strange to say the least. More important why does he not simply make a public statement on this, just odd to begin with:
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1294664 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1294664)
Norvel Pelle told AztecSportsReport.com back in September that he was going to decommit from St. John's and pursue other schools for 2012 when he becomes academically eligible again.
While it took almost two months, he finally officially decommitted, a source close to the situation confirmed to ASR on Tuesday night. The news was first reported by JohnnyJungle.com.
Pelle decommitted "a while back," the source told ASR, but Pelle kept the news under wraps this time. St. John's is still an option for the 6-foot-10, 210-pound five-star center, and according to the source, is his family's preferred option.
That is certainly not false. I sat on it for a bit because I feared he would change his mind again so I didn't want to prematurely report. However once I confirmed he was going to make it public I knew it wassafe to report. I can't say for certain it was in September but it's been for a few weeks now.
I hinted at it back around signing day and not sure where Lenn or Zags got their information from that he was going to sign because that was 100% false.
Dave-Zags talked to the coach at Phelps who confirmed last week that Pelle was going to sign. Lenn quoted a source. So we do know the source for Zags. And Zags talked to Pelle's sister who told him that the story by Rivals was false and that Norvel never even talked to the guy. I am not suggesting that the reporter was wrong, in fact I am inclined to believe that he probably did talk to Norvel. But if you remember Norvel tweeted RIGHT after the Rivals story that he did NOT decommit.
And I know Lenn talks directly with the staff, so I assume someone at SJU told him that Norvel was set to sign.
My point is it is not fair to go after either man after the fact since it is clear there was false information being put out by people close to Norvel and others for awhile.
And even you last week wrote this under the NY Post article thread I started:
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Re: NY Post preview-interesting tidbit
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2011, 09:16:59 AM »QuoteLast I heard was that Pelle was signing his LOI and would enroll in the summer. Garrett will be at St. John's come December
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SDSU Rivals.com is basically crowing over the decommitment claiming it confirms their report from September. Despite that both Norvel and his sister claimed that he did not decommit then and his sister said the conversation with the guy from Rivals never happened. Strange to say the least. More important why does he not simply make a public statement on this, just odd to begin with:
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1294664 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1294664)
Norvel Pelle told AztecSportsReport.com back in September that he was going to decommit from St. John's and pursue other schools for 2012 when he becomes academically eligible again.
While it took almost two months, he finally officially decommitted, a source close to the situation confirmed to ASR on Tuesday night. The news was first reported by JohnnyJungle.com.
Pelle decommitted "a while back," the source told ASR, but Pelle kept the news under wraps this time. St. John's is still an option for the 6-foot-10, 210-pound five-star center, and according to the source, is his family's preferred option.
That is certainly not false. I sat on it for a bit because I feared he would change his mind again so I didn't want to prematurely report. However once I confirmed he was going to make it public I knew it wassafe to report. I can't say for certain it was in September but it's been for a few weeks now.
I hinted at it back around signing day and not sure where Lenn or Zags got their information from that he was going to sign because that was 100% false.
Dave-Zags talked to the coach at Phelps who confirmed last week that Pelle was going to sign. Lenn quoted a source. So we do know the source for Zags. And Zags talked to Pelle's sister who told him that the story by Rivals was false and that Norvel never even talked to the guy. I am not suggesting that the reporter was wrong, in fact I am inclined to believe that he probably did talk to Norvel. But if you remember Norvel tweeted RIGHT after the Rivals story that he did NOT decommit.
And I know Lenn talks directly with the staff, so I assume someone at SJU told him that Norvel was set to sign.
My point is it is not fair to go after either man after the fact since it is clear there was false information being put out by people close to Norvel and others for awhile.
And even you last week wrote this under the NY Post article thread I started:
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Re: NY Post preview-interesting tidbit
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2011, 09:16:59 AM »QuoteLast I heard was that Pelle was signing his LOI and would enroll in the summer. Garrett will be at St. John's come December
All I'm saying at the time when they reported that is the same time I found out it wasn't happening. Things change constantly in the recruiting scene
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this kid has some for real issues. im kinda upset at this. he was playing games. im not gonna tell al his buisness but pelle i know u read this u are acting real soft. gathers i still mess with on the simple fact that he wants to be here but other people are forcing him else where. but pelle.........i doubt he ever plays ball
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NY isn't for everyone. A lot of people are afraid of it.
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this kid has some for real issues. im kinda upset at this. he was playing games. im not gonna tell al his buisness but pelle i know u read this u are acting real soft. gathers i still mess with on the simple fact that he wants to be here but other people are forcing him else where. but pelle.........i doubt he ever plays ball
kob- u doubt he ever plays here or college ball period?
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He actually just tweeted it:
Pelle made the news official on his Twitter page Wednesday morning: "Word is out I decommitted which is true I jus want to thnk all the st johns fan for there support and luv yall showed me."
I wouldn't wish any of these kids bad luck, but the luv yall stuff is crap. You coming here to play or your not. The guy he ought to have a word with is the guy who was willing to bring him here and those who time he wasted.
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Like I said earlier and what some people here seem to know is this kid needs some help and hopefully he gets it before he gets too lost because from all who know him he's not a bad kid. Sometimes when your this talented teachers/adults fail to assess these kids and evaluate (life not hoops) them properly and be honest about the kind of help they might need.
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Lay off talking badly about Norvel. It is clear he is at odds with what he wants to do. I do not think we are going to be his destination even if he still lists us. We weren't the right place for him, we need to move on. No one has the right to bash a young kid just for the sake of a basketball team.
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Yea pointless bashing a kid. Honestly despite all the talent it's addition by subtraction anyways. Emotionally he would have added bad chemistry to this team as I noted before. The guys on the team now have passion, real passion and Pelle doesn't. He's a good kid who's a little lost right now. I really hope he figures out what he wants out of life.
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This goes back to the staff needing to recruit kids that can qualify. Are we going to be in the same boat with Woods? Now we have no big men coming next year. Huge hole in the roster. The staff needs to earn their money and hit the recruiting trail hard.
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A few months ago we looked amazing ont he recrutign trail now with these decomitts and most halfway decent 2012 prospects gonw our rebuilding might go on for a few more years and we may have celebrated lavins great sucess prematurely..
let's hope not but its not looking good right now
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Like I said earlier and what some people here seem to know is this kid needs some help and hopefully he gets it before he gets too lost because from all who know him he's not a bad kid. Sometimes when your this talented teachers/adults fail to assess these kids and evaluate (life not hoops) them properly and be honest about the kind of help they might need.
Actually, our staff gave him as much help as they could, trying to get him qualified. The kid takes a year to figure out now in November that he doesn't want to come here? C'mon. We need more kids like Amir, Pointer, Wood who have heart and put in the time. Pelle doesn't seem to want to put in the time knot off the court. In the end he's doing himself a disservice. As I said before, he wasn't going to find a place that would give him the support on and off the court that SJU would. To each his own. I'll take another God's gift if I can find one somewhere.
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You can say addition by subtraction but it was wrong of him, teen or not, to jerk this staff around when they could have been recruiting students who actually wanted to go here.
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we need to chill a little bit. i think we all got spoiled with all the commitments, but now we're getting hit with a dose of reality. even lav said last year that recruiting wise he was surprisingly ahead of schedule. if i remember correctly, i think he said at least 3 or so years before he reached the level recruits that he aspired to get. i still think we're way ahead of schedule with a solid core right now. but consistently signing good players like we did this past year is not the norm (at least not immediately). it will take time.
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You can say addition by subtraction but it was wrong of him, teen or not, to jerk this staff around when they could have been recruiting students who actually wanted to go here.
The staff is very aware of everything. You have to roll the dice in recruiting sometimes if you want to make a quick leap. It worked 7 out of 9 times for the staff. I like those odds.
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we need to chill a little bit. i think we all got spoiled with all the commitments, but now we're getting hit with a dose of reality. even lav said last year that recruiting wise he was surprisingly ahead of schedule. if i remember correctly, i think he said at least 3 or so years before he reached the level recruits that he aspired to get. i still think we're way ahead of schedule with a solid core right now. but consistently signing good players like we did this past year is not the norm (at least not immediately). it will take time.
An understandable post. But, it would be different had we were in the running for these kids and lost out on 'em to another school. The fact that these players committed and then decommited makes the pill tough to swallow.
Lavin seemed to be ahead of schedule, but that can happen in sports (especially, in college basketball). It doesn't take long to get back on track in college hoops and we are still well on our way. We've hit a speed bump, but I see that bump smoothing out in the spring.
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You can say addition by subtraction but it was wrong of him, teen or not, to jerk this staff around when they could have been recruiting students who actually wanted to go here.
The staff is very aware of everything. You have to roll the dice in recruiting sometimes if you want to make a quick leap. It worked 7 out of 9 times for the staff. I like those odds.
To reiterate what Dave is saying, Lavin is one of the best recruiters in the country. He takes risks at times but to be great one must do so. You can also rest assured that he isn't taking this stuff as personally as us fans are. I'm sure this stuff puts him in a bind at times tool, but he knows the nature of the beast as well as any.
I personally would rather see Lavin take some risks and miss on them than settle for lower tier players. We've had lower tier. Been there and done that. We aren't far off from having a really loaded roster. A few setbacks isn't going to stop us from making some high quality additions when all is said and done in the 2012 class.
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Jay- z On to the next one (Lyrics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZy22ZwgetI#)
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NY isn't for everyone. A lot of people are afraid of it.
True.
Perhaps we should recruit more metropolitan players.
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NY isn't for everyone. A lot of people are afraid of it.
True.
Perhaps we should recruit more metropolitan players.
We are recruiting metro area players, and quite successfully but not in the 2012 class.
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NY isn't for everyone. A lot of people are afraid of it.
True.
Perhaps we should recruit more metropolitan players.
We are recruiting metro area players, and quite successfully but not in the 2012 class.
I only see Moe Harkless.
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NY isn't for everyone. A lot of people are afraid of it.
True.
Perhaps we should recruit more metropolitan players.
We are recruiting metro area players, and quite successfully but not in the 2012 class.
I only see Moe Harkless.
We are recruiting some for 12'-15' classes and likely lead for a few. I have no problem recruiting the country. I think it's the best way. Need some NYC talent for sure but we have a nice core of talent, much of which is from outside NY. Our decommits are mainly due to shoddy academics, otherwise those kids would be playing right now at sju. I hope Lavin keeps doing exactly what he's been doing.
I'd love jermaine Lawrence and Wainright in 2013 and think we have a good shot at them. One from NY and one not. Get the best talent that wants to play here.
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It's not a question of where a player is from.
Andy Pettitte is from Texas. Mariano Rivera is from Panama.
I'm talking about having the onions to compete on the big stage.
Some guys have it, and some don't. If Norvel Pelle feels more comfortable
playing under the sunshine in San Diego, than I say go and enjoy it.
We're building something much bigger than that, and we're building it in NY.
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It's not a question of where a player is from.
Andy Pettitte is from Texas. Mariano Rivera is from Panama.
I'm talking about having the onions to compete on the big stage.
Some guys have it, and some don't. If Norvel Pelle feels more comfortable
playing under the sunshine in San Diego, than I say go and enjoy it.
We're building something much bigger than that, and we're building it in NY.
A positive post from you.
Do you have a fever? :)
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TheRecruitScoop Alex Kline
Former St. John's commit Norvel Pelle, a 2012 center from Phelps (PA), is attending the Red Storm's game tonight, per @TheoRabinowitz.
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Think Norvelle was sitting behind bench in a USA hoodie and the 2 student sections at 2 different times chanted We Want Pelle. Anybody know if he had anything to say. Looked like he was tweeting or texting most of game and not watching much of it.
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TheRecruitScoop Alex Kline
Former St. John's commit Norvel Pelle, a 2012 center from Phelps (PA), is attending the Red Storm's game tonight, per @TheoRabinowitz.
Saw him at the game. Why would he attend a game now? He went back to locker room to see the guys after as well, who knows what he is thinking.
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What on Earth is going on?
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TheRecruitScoop Alex Kline
Former St. John's commit Norvel Pelle, a 2012 center from Phelps (PA), is attending the Red Storm's game tonight, per @TheoRabinowitz.
Saw him at the game. Why would he attend a game now? He went back to locker room to see the guys after as well, who knows what he is thinking.
I think we have a good shot with Gathers and Jakarr. I'm not getting my hopes up for Pelle.
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TheRecruitScoop Alex Kline
Former St. John's commit Norvel Pelle, a 2012 center from Phelps (PA), is attending the Red Storm's game tonight, per @TheoRabinowitz.
Saw him at the game. Why would he attend a game now? He went back to locker room to see the guys after as well, who knows what he is thinking.
That is a good sign at least...Pelle would be a monster in this system and with this team
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Think Norvelle was sitting behind bench in a USA hoodie and the 2 student sections at 2 different times chanted We Want Pelle. Anybody know if he had anything to say. Looked like he was tweeting or texting most of game and not watching much of it.
No joke at one point he tweeted he was hungry and either agitated or irritated. Can't remember the exact word.
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Think Norvelle was sitting behind bench in a USA hoodie and the 2 student sections at 2 different times chanted We Want Pelle. Anybody know if he had anything to say. Looked like he was tweeting or texting most of game and not watching much of it.
No joke at one point he tweeted he was hungry and either agitated or irritated. Can't remember the exact word.
I believed it was (paraphrased) "hella irritated," if I'm not mistaken.
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Think Norvelle was sitting behind bench in a USA hoodie and the 2 student sections at 2 different times chanted We Want Pelle. Anybody know if he had anything to say. Looked like he was tweeting or texting most of game and not watching much of it.
No joke at one point he tweeted he was hungry and either agitated or irritated. Can't remember the exact word.
I believed it was (paraphrased) "hella irritated," if I'm not mistaken.
Thats it. He was hungry and that.
Now lets analyze that :)
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He should be "hella irritated". He could've been playing 30+ minutes per game for an ultra-talented young team playing the most difficult schedule in the country. Instead, he's sitting a few rows behind courtside in the student section wearing a hoodie and tweeting about his feelings.
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Well if you read the rest of his tweets from yesterday into today, you might think about analyzing them.
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Well if you read the rest of his tweets from yesterday into today, you might think about analyzing them.
He just never appears happy. Although on the other hand, he looked like he was having a great time at MM. Wish things were just different with him We have such an exciting product and he would really complete the puzzle.
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he was behind me. he was chilling watching the game and went to hang out with guys after. he is just a confused kid. a bit wierd.
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Well it cant be bad that he was at game.
Means he still has a connection/bond w players &/or coaches
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Well it cant be bad that he was at game.
Means he still has a connection/bond w players &/or coaches
Although later after the game he tweets : "fake ass niggas man". One can speculate what he's talking about and what that's all about. Don't know, but the kid is impossible to read and is all over the place emotionally. Love his talent but we need more Sir'dom's and Harrison's who are confident and decisive. We need warriors here. He doesn't strike me as the kid that's going to commit to anything for more than 5 minutes. I'd love for him to prove me wrong. Don't want to see such a talented and seemingly good kid fall by the wayside and letting his immaturity ruin his path.
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he was behind me. he was chilling watching the game and went to hang out with guys after. he is just a confused kid. a bit wierd.
Agree 100% kob. I mean he was there for the game meaning something must still be there with him and SJU.
I have given up trying to figure out what his tweets mean.
Leave the kid alone and see where this ends up next spring.
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he was behind me. he was chilling watching the game and went to hang out with guys after. he is just a confused kid. a bit wierd.
Agree 100% kob. I mean he was there for the game meaning something must still be there with him and SJU.
I have given up trying to figure out what his tweets mean.
Leave the kid alone and see where this ends up next spring.
You mean next fall because he may be in 2 different places from next spring to next fall if not more. :)
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Saw a guy tweet Norvel, asking him why he isn't playing. Norvel said he's waiting on doc to clear him. That's the first I heard that - what did I miss?
https://twitter.com/damn_Norvel/status/139427246669705217
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Kids are different. Norvel is artistic and a free spirit but he strikes me as a fiercely loyal guy. Let's just let him work his stuff out. He'd be AMAZING for us...6'10 jumping jack.
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Kids are different. Norvel is artistic and a free spirit but he strikes me as a fiercely loyal guy. Let's just let him work his stuff out. He'd be AMAZING for us...6'10 jumping jack.
Totally agree. IMO too much emphasis has been placed in other posts that Norvel would "disrupt team chemistry" due to the perception that he is not as competitive as the other freshmen. While that may be the case now, if we were lucky enough to get his services I believe that he would benefit from the aggressive style the others are playing and his talent would take over. I only get worried about team chemistry if the guy is not a "team player" or does not adhere to team rules. Neither of which appears to be the case with Norvel. If Norvel decides to stick with SJU I believe it will be a great decision for both him and our program.
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Kids are different. Norvel is artistic and a free spirit but he strikes me as a fiercely loyal guy. Let's just let him work his stuff out. He'd be AMAZING for us...6'10 jumping jack.
Totally agree. IMO too much emphasis has been placed in other posts that Norvel would "disrupt team chemistry" due to the perception that he is not as competitive as the other freshmen. While that may be the case now, if we were lucky enough to get his services I believe that he would benefit from the aggressive style the others are playing and his talent would take over. I only get worried about team chemistry if the guy is not a "team player" or does not adhere to team rules. Neither of which appears to be the case with Norvel. If Norvel decides to stick with SJU I believe it will be a great decision for both him and our program.
Norvel in my opinion would be happy right now if he were settled in on the St Johns roster and campus. Being in Philly alone makes him think about home and he has people pulling his back to the west coast. His family I believe would prefer him to be on the east coast. This will be a ropller coaster ride until the spring signing period. Thestaff needs to sign a kid to replace himbut hold a ship in case he changes his mind. Its really a shame because he is a special player.
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Norvel came back at a guy on twitter regarding his interest in going to school on the west coast.
Drewster35 Andrew Carrillo
Looks like @damn_Norvel has SERIOUS interest in three west coast schools. He recently de-committed from St Johns.
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@Drewster35 wait wht. Where r u gettn this frm
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@damn_Norvel Why, you are not interested in any westcoast teams!?
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norvel STiX pelle
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@Drewster35 i am im just sayn where u get this info at
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Is it too much to ask Norvelle to put down the iPhone and pick up a book?
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Is it too much to ask Norvelle to put down the iPhone and pick up a book?
I'm probably showing my age and/or social media ineptitude, but sometimes, I just can't follow these twitter exchanges, and I especially have a difficult time following exactly what Pelle is trying to say in his tweets (at least the tweets reposted here).
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Is it too much to ask Norvelle to put down the iPhone and pick up a book?
I'm probably showing my age and/or social media ineptitude, but sometimes, I just can't follow these twitter exchanges, and I especially have a difficult time following exactly what Pelle is trying to say in his tweets (at least the tweets reposted here).
The guy is claiming Pelle has interest in three west coast schools and Pelle is wondering where he received his info.
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Is it too much to ask Norvelle to put down the iPhone and pick up a book?
I'm probably showing my age and/or social media ineptitude, but sometimes, I just can't follow these twitter exchanges, and I especially have a difficult time following exactly what Pelle is trying to say in his tweets (at least the tweets reposted here).
The guy is claiming Pelle has interest in three west coast schools and Pelle is wondering where he received his info.
Thanks. I wasn't sure it was Pelle wondering where the guy received his info.
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He also says he is interesred in west coast teams. Read his first words I Am last sentence.
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Let him go to San Diego St-just heard they have accepted invite to BE for football only and will be playing all their other sports in a lesser conference than they are currently in according to Andy Katz of ESPN. :(
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Let him go to San Diego St-just heard they have accepted invite to BE for football only and will be playing all their other sports in a lesser conference than they are currently in according to Andy Katz of ESPN. :(
BS...we need him HERE!!
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Let him go to San Diego St-just heard they have accepted invite to BE for football only and will be playing all their other sports in a lesser conference than they are currently in according to Andy Katz of ESPN. :(
BS...we need him HERE!!
Newsie is right. I'm am certain Lavin isn't treating his recruitment with nonchalance. Lavs will stay on him which is good.
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Norvel doesnt really know what he wants, we could be back in the picture at some point, who knows. We just cant count on him as a viable option for next year.
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Norvel doesnt really know what he wants, we could be back in the picture at some point, who knows. We just cant count on him as a viable option for next year.
The problem with that is.... many times players of his temperment tend not to stay around long even after they arrive.
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Let him go to San Diego St-just heard they have accepted invite to BE for football only and will be playing all their other sports in a lesser conference than they are currently in according to Andy Katz of ESPN. :(
BS...we need him HERE!!
Newsie is right. I'm am certain Lavin isn't treating his recruitment with nonchalance. Lavs will stay on him which is good.
Did not express myself properly in my original post-have always wanted Pelle here in fact I was the one who called him a young Bill Russell and who would not want someone like that. What I meant to express was with rumors he was interested and might go to SD ST that now it is a less desireable destination. My bad. :(
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Do we want a player with some talent but with some attitude problems (behavior and no too interest in basketball) and with probabilities of homesick?
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Do we want a player with some talent but with some attitude problems (behavior and no too interest in basketball) and with probabilities of homesick?
If his name is Norvel Pelle, yes.
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Do we want a player with some talent but with some attitude problems (behavior and no too interest in basketball) and with probabilities of homesick?
If his name is Norvel Pelle, yes.
Let me play devils advocate. If he is so desirable why aren't other schools mentioned outside of SDSU?
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I'll make a bet if he plays college basketball next year its for a juco.
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I'll make a bet if he plays college basketball next year its for a juco.
Some will also bet he never plays D1 ball.
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Do we want a player with some talent but with some attitude problems (behavior and no too interest in basketball) and with probabilities of homesick?
If his name is Norvel Pelle, yes.
Let me play devils advocate. If he is so desirable why aren't other schools mentioned outside of SDSU?
I have been thinking that for a while now
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I'll make a bet if he plays college basketball next year its for a juco.
Some will also bet he never plays D1 ball.
It looks that way to me too, I hope I am wrong for his sake.
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guys let these kids go. come on. he wasn't built to be here. we have to move on. i love talking basketball like the rest of u. but this shit is now looking like the girl who went out on a date with a guy. the guy liked her but for some reason he decided not to mess with her. and now she keeps calling him and emailing him and looking at him through his house window while sitting in her tinted car with binoculars. #$%^ them in lavin I trust. he will get someone of equal or greater value. if they dint want to be part of this program good #$%^ing bye. WE ARE NEW YORKERS DAMNIT WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO CARE ABOUT SHIT LIKE THIS. on to the next one. and the one after that.
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guys let these kids go. come on. he wasn't built to be here. we have to move on. i love talking basketball like the rest of u. but this shit is now looking like the girl who went out on a date with a guy. the guy liked her but for some reason he decided not to mess with her. and now she keeps calling him and emailing him and looking at him through his house window while sitting in her tinted car with binoculars. #$%^ them in lavin I trust. he will get someone of equal or greater value. if they dint want to be part of this program good #$%^ing bye. WE ARE NEW YORKERS DAMNIT WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO CARE ABOUT SHIT LIKE THIS. on to the next one. and the one after that.
I think a lot of other posters are holding out hope for him because they haven't heard many new names. And the staff of course won't come out and just say they are moving on.
I agree with you though.
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I agree Moose and KOB too but centers like him don't grow on trees. He is exactly what the program needs.
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forget the "we are new yorkers"...
st john's basketball is the abused housewife who finally found mister right. then from kennedy's knee to the health problems to the big east breakup to players decommitting to three ineligibles to losing to mid major dregs, everything seems to be going south again.
so when mr right scrapes the paint off the wall with his fingernails while taking a leak and the housewife finds the penicillin she still believes the needles are for his cold.
it's the result of ten years of desperation.
we want to believe it's a cold if you catch my drift.
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forget the "we are new yorkers"...
st john's basketball is the abused housewife who finally found mister right. then from kennedy's knee to the health problems to the big east breakup to players decommitting to three ineligibles to losing to mid major dregs, everything seems to be going south again.
so when mr right scrapes the paint off the wall with his fingernails while taking a leak and the housewife finds the penicillin she still believes the needles are for his cold.
it's the result of ten years of desperation.
we want to believe it's a cold if you catch my drift.
In the big picture, things aren't that bad, we have a head coach with a proven track record, a nice cast of assistants, better facilities, better basketball budget, and the desire to be big time.
We have taken our lumps since Kennedy went down, Polee transferring, the weird recruitment of Harrow and Anderson, the ineligible players, the decommitments, the losses, the Big East issues, and of course Lavin's health concerns.
In the old days, we would not have known as much as we do now.
We probably got knocked back with our rebuilding plan by about a year assuming Lavin can get this ball moving again . First and foremost we need him healthy and have his tireless work ethic back.
I noticed a very important thing at the Kentucky and Detroit games, not having Lavin and his personality on the sidelines impacts the players and the refs. Dunlap is a great coach but is better suited to draw up the strategy for the games.
I'm not giving up and back to teh topic at hand, I would welcome back Norvel in a heartbeat, if he wants to play he is an extremely unique talent.
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They need to move on...if he comes back great but there have been way too many players showing that they really don't want to be here.
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They need to move on...if he comes back great but there have been way too many players showing that they really don't want to be here.
Strangely, I believe that Norvel really wants to be here. I believe he's frustrated because he's not totally sure he can get here due to various reasons he's currently encountering. that being said, he's going to have to S or get off the potty (don't want misinterpretations by anyone). If he takes full charge of his life, he'll find a way to make it happen. Personally, I think he's a young man who means well, but gets distracted with the world around him, and keeps him from focusing on what's impt. Twitter is a perfect example. It should be a tool, not a crutch. That being said, I see him struggling the rest of this year and still not having his grades up to snuff. Then totally freaking out as he gives up on D1....
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Read a tweet about Pelle going to UNLV but Pelle denies it.
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Read a tweet about Pelle going to UNLV but Pelle denies it.
How much more can possibly be said to this guy to persuade him to come to St Johns? Is it time to move on or what?
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Read a tweet about Pelle going to UNLV but Pelle denies it.
How much more can possibly be said to this guy to persuade him to come to St Johns? Is it time to move on or what?
He's off the radar for St Johns. It appears that he doesn't even want to finish the year At Phelps.
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Read a tweet about Pelle going to UNLV but Pelle denies it.
How much more can possibly be said to this guy to persuade him to come to St Johns? Is it time to move on or what?
He's off the radar for St Johns. It appears that he doesn't even want to finish the year At Phelps.
It definitely seems that way. At least if anyone on the SDSU or UNLV boards who claim to have info are correct. They are saying that he is going to go to UNLV because of the conference change by SDSU. But who knows if these guys are just making up info. Hopefully we are still in the mix but I do not feel to confident about it.
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Time to move on. Maybe we'll get a chance to see Pelle play at 1 AM on ESPN sometime against Long Beach St
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Dude is not worth the time or hassle at this point.
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A bigger problem than him failing to qualify is that he's immature and wishy-washy. Wish I could have seen him here because his potential is off the charts, but UNLV is probably a good spot for him if he can ever get eligible.
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Alex Kline
TheRecruitScoop Alex Kline
As rumors swirled around a few weeks back about Norvel Pelle heading to UNLV, it looks like the 2012 center will not end up in Vegas.
I guess he'll end up at San Diego State.
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As rumors swirled around a few weeks back about Norvel Pelle heading to UNLV, it looks like the 2012 center will not end up in Vegas.
I guess he'll end up at San Diego State.
I would assume this has something to do with Khem Birch committing to UNLV
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It sounds like it may be UNLV backing off. They have one scholarship available and are in the running for Shabazz and Bennett.
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If Pelle looks like he'll clear with academics, it would be wise for him to re-up with SJU right away. My gut tells me that Gathers, Obekpa, and Pelle are all leaning in our direction, especially with Branch on board and with our young team developing as it is. Pelle may want to avoid another UNLV situation. SJU has shown him nothing but love at this point, stuck with him. SDSU just can't compare to his opportunity at SJU.
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Let him walk on
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If Pelle looks like he'll clear with academics, it would be wise for him to re-up with SJU right away. My gut tells me that Gathers, Obekpa, and Pelle are all leaning in our direction, especially with Branch on board and with our young team developing as it is. Pelle may want to avoid another UNLV situation. SJU has shown him nothing but love at this point, stuck with him. SDSU just can't compare to his opportunity at SJU.
i think our coaching staff has waivered off Pelle. we have more important priorities. besides, just seeing his attitude on twitter, it seems like he's not emotionally mature just yet. if he's going to play ball it needs to be near his home.
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Let him walk on
Or perhaps let him walk to us. In other words, if he truly wants to re-up his commitment, he needs to show us he's committed to doing what it takes to play CBB at SJU.
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Let him walk on
Or perhaps let him walk to us. In other words, if he truly wants to re-up his commitment, he needs to show us he's committed to doing what it takes to play CBB at SJU.
Agreed.
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He's not even in school now so I don't think he can be eligible to play for us. It sounds like his only options are a partial qualifier(UNLV or SDSU) or a JUCO. If he stayed at Phelps at least he was trying to become eligible. But by leaving school it seems like he's ok with JUCO or a partial qualifier. I would guess that we have already moved on just like all the other major program that were in contact with him at one point have.
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The picture is clearer on Pelle now. Thanks for the posts here. Sounds like he is off the radar -- or put himself off the radar. What a shame, since so many of us were enthusiastic about him.
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I hope I'm wrong and he did go back to school. At the beginning of the school year it looked on his twitter like he was making an effort to get his academics straight. He didn't play ball at Phelps so I was hoping he could get it done even if he didn't come here. It would be a shame to waste his talent in Juco.
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Last year we were able to take the risk on him. This year we don't have that luxury.
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Last year we were able to take the risk on him. This year we don't have that luxury.
I don't think we had that luxury this year.
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Forget about Pelle. Never happening.
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Last year we were able to take the risk on him. This year we don't have that luxury.
I don't think we had that luxury this year.
Yes we did. 9 schollies out of the gate you could take a risk on higher ranked possible question marks. We know a couple didn't work out. Now we don't have that luxury this year. Maybe in 2014 we can again.
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Last year we were able to take the risk on him. This year we don't have that luxury.
I don't think we had that luxury this year.
Yes we did. 9 schollies out of the gate you could take a risk on higher ranked possible question marks. We know a couple didn't work out. Now we don't have that luxury this year. Maybe in 2014 we can again.
I would agree if we had Polee coming back, and another lunch pail big man, but this current team deserved a chance to have a full roster. Not asking for 13 players, but give me 10.
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Last year we were able to take the risk on him. This year we don't have that luxury.
I don't think we had that luxury this year.
Yes we did. 9 schollies out of the gate you could take a risk on higher ranked possible question marks. We know a couple didn't work out. Now we don't have that luxury this year. Maybe in 2014 we can again.
I would agree if we had Polee coming back, and another lunch pail big man, but this current team deserved a chance to have a full roster. Not asking for 13 players, but give me 10.
10 would've let our guys practice 5 on 5 against D1 scholarship players, a novel concept.
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Last year we were able to take the risk on him. This year we don't have that luxury.
I don't think we had that luxury this year.
Yes we did. 9 schollies out of the gate you could take a risk on higher ranked possible question marks. We know a couple didn't work out. Now we don't have that luxury this year. Maybe in 2014 we can again.
I would agree if we had Polee coming back, and another lunch pail big man, but this current team deserved a chance to have a full roster. Not asking for 13 players, but give me 10.
The way to accomplish that would have been to recruit 12 players, not tell top 100 players you won't accept them.
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I guess he is back at Phelps and playing ball now. they have a game today in the national prep school invitationals
http://www.golocalprov.com/highschoolsports/20810/ (http://www.golocalprov.com/highschoolsports/20810/)
Friday, February 3rd- Worcester Academy(MA) vs Phelps School(PA)
Neither one of these schools is incredibly well known in recruiting circles, but Worcester Academy is coming off a huge win over Rhode Island’s former top team, St. Andrew’s, and Phelps features one of the more intriguing players in the entire event. Norvel Pelle, formally of Compton, California, is a five-star true center that will present a ton of problems for Worcester’s front line. Guarding the 6’10’’ star will be a tall order(pun intended), but Worcester Academy’s point guard Rene Castro should give Phelps all it can handle on the perimeter.
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I guess he is back at Phelps and playing ball now. they have a game today in the national prep school invitationals
http://www.golocalprov.com/highschoolsports/20810/ (http://www.golocalprov.com/highschoolsports/20810/)
Friday, February 3rd- Worcester Academy(MA) vs Phelps School(PA)
Neither one of these schools is incredibly well known in recruiting circles, but Worcester Academy is coming off a huge win over Rhode Island’s former top team, St. Andrew’s, and Phelps features one of the more intriguing players in the entire event. Norvel Pelle, formally of Compton, California, is a five-star true center that will present a ton of problems for Worcester’s front line. Guarding the 6’10’’ star will be a tall order(pun intended), but Worcester Academy’s point guard Rene Castro should give Phelps all it can handle on the perimeter.
He's not listed on Phelps roster. And he was earlier in the year.
http://www.thephelpsschool.org/RelId/609753/ISvars/default/Roster.htm (http://www.thephelpsschool.org/RelId/609753/ISvars/default/Roster.htm)
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I was told he is home taking online courses and will play AAU in spring.
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I was told he is home taking online courses and will play AAU in spring.
What does that mean in terms of his eligibility?
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I was told he is home taking online courses.
Twitter 101
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Who could he possibly play AAU for, he is too old now.. yes..?
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Who could he possibly play AAU for, he is too old now.. yes..?
I heard he is still young enough to play
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Doesn't AAU really end @ 17U or 18U..?
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Doesn't AAU really end @ 17U or 18U..?
Maybe, he'll still be 18 when the AAU season starts.
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He was born Feb 3, 1993, he is already 19 years old...
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Its to bad because he s the only recruit last year or this year who provides us w real height.
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He was born Feb 3, 1993, he is already 19 years old...
Oh, okay. I didn't know his birthdate. I, figured you couldn't play AAU ball once you turned 19. Maybe, he's gonna play in the Sonny Hill League.
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He was born Feb 3, 1993, he is already 19 years old...
You need to check the rules, cutout date could be earlier. My son will be play 17u and 18u baseball in Georgia but will already be 18 in July because cutout date in 17 or younger as of April 1, 2012. Not sure this is the case with basketball but it could be 18 as of 1-1-12 for example.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now yet again as if the majority of past 10 very underwhelming years wasn't bad enough. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and has for a long long time, and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what seems like the 1,000th straight time now. God forbid if we ever stuck it to that creep Boeheim even once, that would be long overdue and justified, but NO. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
What does this have to do with Norvel Pelle?
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
Come back in the spring, if guys aren't signed. Otherwise, this goes in line with the other mess you spew.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
What does this have to do with Norvel Pelle?
I didn't want to start a new thread, and Pelle is just one of the many recent recruits that we've currently and maybe permanently lost. If you have a better thread or board to fit my post in than by all mean go ahead.
I think we'll be hard pressed to land Pelle, Gathers & Sampson again. If we end up with even one of those three I'd be pleasantly surprised.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
What does this have to do with Norvel Pelle?
I didn't want to start a new thread, and Pelle is just one of the many recent recruits that we've currently and maybe permanently lost. If you have a better thread or board to fit my post in than by all mean go ahead.
I think we'll be hard pressed to land Pelle, Gathers & Sampson again. If we end up with even one of those three I'd be pleasantly surprised.
Nobody here thinks were getting Pelle. The ship has sailed. Nobody here beleives he will come here.
As for the other two you are entitled to your opinion. But facts support coach is trying his damndest.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
Come back in the spring, if guys aren't signed. Otherwise, this goes in line with the other mess you spew.
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"Mess"? What do I personally have to do with the mess of losing Pelle, Sampson, Gathers, Lindsey, Polee etc. etc.? All I'm doing is repeating the facts that you and others on this board seem to be having a difficult time accepting as reality. As you can tell, I don't enjoy kidding myself about my team chances of being successful. No wonder we've had a losing product around here in basketball for the last several years, and that can be correlated to having a losing culture including our own fan-base that accepts below mediocrity as a result and than defends it on top of that, and how dare someone like me decides to discuss it, because they'll be promptly shown the door for being the sole voice for obvious needed change. It goes on deaf ears. "Ignorance is bliss"
Are you satisfied with losing? Because if you are than keep doing what your doing and you'll become an inadvertent barrier to future success.
God do I miss Louie a Joe.
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"Mess"? What do I personally have to do with the mess of losing Pelle, Sampson, Gathers, Lindsey, Polee etc. etc.? All I'm doing is repeating the facts that you and others on this board seem to be having a difficult time accepting as reality. As you can tell, I don't enjoy kidding myself about my team chances of being successful. No wonder we've had a losing product around here for the best several years, we have a losing culture that accepts below mediocrity as a result and than defends it on top of that.
Are you satisfied with losing? Because if you are than your becoming an inadvertent barrier to future success.
You have nothing personally do with losing those kids. Pelle may or may not ever play collegiately. Same for Lindsey (he might not play college hoops again). Lindsey was also becoming a problem, so it was better to part ways. Polee's situation had more to do with his dad more than anything.
Sampson would be here and playing, if he wasn't ineligble. Lavin is going hard after him again and he hasn't signed anywhere, so why bitch about it? The same for Gathers. If those kids go elsewhere then you have every right to complain. Otherwise, why bitch and complain when they haven't signed with another school yet?
This is only the staff second season. They had to restock an entire team. Not 3 or 4 players. An entire roster. Who also said anything about being satisfied with losing? The staff won last season, but are having a rough time this season. So, that suddenly means the program is falling? Get real.
Lastly, I'm tired of whiners and complainers like yourself who make a comment and then always passing it off as reality. Is that what they teach y'all in the book of whiners.... To pass everything off as reality? More times than not, it's usually an opinion.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
What does this have to do with Norvel Pelle?
I didn't want to start a new thread, and Pelle is just one of the many recent recruits that we've currently and maybe permanently lost. If you have a better thread or board to fit my post in than by all mean go ahead.
I think we'll be hard pressed to land Pelle, Gathers & Sampson again. If we end up with even one of those three I'd be pleasantly surprised.
Nobody here thinks were getting Pelle. The ship has sailed. Nobody here beleives he will come here.
As for the other two you are entitled to your opinion. But facts support coach is trying his damndest.
The ship has sailed for both STJ and Pelle. Someone asked if he were at Phelps, I passed on what I heard. People then get pissed because we lost him. Perhaps everyone in D1 lost him as well.
I'm not giving up hope with this staff until they are all gone (meaning Lavin, Dunlap, Chiles, Hines, and Hicks) We will get our share of recruits. Lavin has never failed at the recruiting game. We have short memories of bringing in low D1 players and finishing 6-12 in Big East every year.
The detractors on this board need to Chill Out.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
Come back in the spring, if guys aren't signed. Otherwise, this goes in line with the other mess you spew.
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"Mess"? What do I personally have to do with the mess of losing Pelle, Sampson, Gathers, Lindsey, Polee etc. etc.? All I'm doing is repeating the facts that you and others on this board seem to be having a difficult time accepting as reality. As you can tell, I don't enjoy kidding myself about my team chances of being successful. No wonder we've had a losing product around here for the best several years, we have a losing culture that accepts below mediocrity as a result and than defends it on top of that.
Are you satisfied with losing? Because if you are than your becoming an inadvertent barrier to future success.
You have nothing personally do with losing those kids. Pelle may or may not ever play collegiately. Same for Lindsey (he might not play college hoops again). Lindsey was also becoming a problem, so it was better to part ways. Polee's situation had more to do with his dad more than anything.
Sampson would be here and playing, if he wasn't ineligble. Lavin is going hard after him again and he hasn't signed anywhere, so why bitch about it? The same for Gathers. If those kids go elsewhere then you have every right to complain. Otherwise, why bitch and complain when they haven't signed with another school yet?
This is only the staff second season. They had to restock an entire team. Not 3 or 4 players. An entire roster. Who also said anything about being satisfied with losing? The staff won last season, but are having a rough time this season. So, that suddenly means the program is falling? Get real.
Lastly, I'm tired of whiners and complainers like yourself who make a comment and then always passing it off as reality. Is that what they teach y'all in the book of whiners.... To pass everything off as reality? More times than not, it's usually an opinion.
My whining has nothing to do with our lack of success just like your unrealistic optimisim has not made St. John's more successful. "It is what it is". What does the records/record book results read for St. John's basketball for the past 10+ years? Lets stick to the facts/the results. The results UNFORTUNATELY supports my opinion over the past 10+ and not yours.
Once again, I like Steve and unlike Norm Roberts, Lavin is an outstanding recruiter, but he's made the crucial mistake of going after too many borderline academic players and not seeing them actually get to play here, and it's tough to BUILD a program that way.
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Doesn't AAU really end @ 17U or 18U..?
Guys run with older guys in the 17's. Frown upon, yes but post grad players do it.
There are also tournaments which feature "Open" divisions which are intended for post grad players.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now can I say yet again. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what sweems like the 1,000th straight time now. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
Come back in the spring, if guys aren't signed. Otherwise, this goes in line with the other mess you spew.
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"Mess"? What do I personally have to do with the mess of losing Pelle, Sampson, Gathers, Lindsey, Polee etc. etc.? All I'm doing is repeating the facts that you and others on this board seem to be having a difficult time accepting as reality. As you can tell, I don't enjoy kidding myself about my team chances of being successful. No wonder we've had a losing product around here for the best several years, we have a losing culture that accepts below mediocrity as a result and than defends it on top of that.
Are you satisfied with losing? Because if you are than your becoming an inadvertent barrier to future success.
You have nothing personally do with losing those kids. Pelle may or may not ever play collegiately. Same for Lindsey (he might not play college hoops again). Lindsey was also becoming a problem, so it was better to part ways. Polee's situation had more to do with his dad more than anything.
Sampson would be here and playing, if he wasn't ineligble. Lavin is going hard after him again and he hasn't signed anywhere, so why bitch about it? The same for Gathers. If those kids go elsewhere then you have every right to complain. Otherwise, why bitch and complain when they haven't signed with another school yet?
This is only the staff second season. They had to restock an entire team. Not 3 or 4 players. An entire roster. Who also said anything about being satisfied with losing? The staff won last season, but are having a rough time this season. So, that suddenly means the program is falling? Get real.
Lastly, I'm tired of whiners and complainers like yourself who make a comment and then always passing it off as reality. Is that what they teach y'all in the book of whiners.... To pass everything off as reality? More times than not, it's usually an opinion.
My whining has nothing to do with our lack of success just like your unrealistic optimisim has not made St. John's more successful. "It is what it is". What does the records/record book results read for St. John's basketball for the past 10+ years? Lets stick to the facts/the results. The results UNFORTUNATELY supports my opinion over the past 10+ and not yours.
Once I again, I like Steve and unlike Norm Roberts, Lavin is an outstandinf recruiter, but je's made this mistake of going after borderline academic players and losing them, and it's toght to BUILD a program that way.
I would agree with you that Lavin perhaps should have added a few SAFE guys but he rolled the dice and lost. You don't win NCAA tourney games with the SAFE guys but you win wiith top talent. Made things look terribly worse because he had no existing roster to fall back on.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now yet again as if the majority of past 10 very underwhelming years wasn't bad enough. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and has for a long long time, and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what seems like the 1,000th straight time now. God forbid if we ever stuck it to that creep Boeheim even once, that would be long overdue and justified, but NO. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
I would ask how many teams in college basketball have a true center but we'll start small. How many teams in the Big East have a true center?
Unrelated to that true positions in the game now are fading. There are so many combo/hybrid players out there and thats where the game is moving.
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My whining has nothing to do with our lack of success just like your unrealistic optimisim has not made St. John's more successful. "It is what it is". What does the records/record book results read for St. John's basketball for the past 10+ years? Lets stick to the facts/the results. The results UNFORTUNATELY supports my opinion over the past 10+ and not yours.
Once I again, I like Steve and unlike Norm Roberts, Lavin is an outstandinf recruiter, but je's made this mistake of going after borderline academic players and losing them, and it's toght to BUILD a program that way.
Where do you see my unrealistic optimism? Enlighten me, genius. "It is what it is." That is a trite word. Use another word to get your point across.
What does 10 years have to do with Steve Lavin and his staff? It has nothing to do with him and his staff. The last 10 years is irrelevant when it comes to the current staff. So, you can flush your facts and results of the past decade. A weak attempt to argue your point.
He had to replenish an entire roster and took some chances. If he had gone after a top 250-300 guy, then you would've been up in arms complaining again. The staff is only in their second year. It takes more than two years to build a program. You're just being silly and unreasonable.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now yet again as if the majority of past 10 very underwhelming years wasn't bad enough. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and has for a long long time, and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what seems like the 1,000th straight time now. God forbid if we ever stuck it to that creep Boeheim even once, that would be long overdue and justified, but NO. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
I would ask how many teams in college basketball have a true center but we'll start small. How many teams in the Big East have a true center?
Unrelated to that true positions in the game now are fading. There are so many combo/hybrid players out there and thats where the game is moving.
The game is so different than 20 years ago. Athletes have changed. Game has evolved for the most part into athletes running the floor on both ends of the court. I agree with you. No need to have a 6-10 center when you could have a 6-8 guy with long arms who can run with the guards.
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"Mess"? What do I personally have to do with the mess of losing Pelle, Sampson, Gathers, Lindsey, Polee etc. etc.? All I'm doing is repeating the facts that you and others on this board seem to be having a difficult time accepting as reality. As you can tell, I don't enjoy kidding myself about my team chances of being successful. No wonder we've had a losing product around here for the best several years, we have a losing culture that accepts below mediocrity as a result and than defends it on top of that.
Are you satisfied with losing? Because if you are than your becoming an inadvertent barrier to future success.
You have nothing personally do with losing those kids. Pelle may or may not ever play collegiately. Same for Lindsey (he might not play college hoops again). Lindsey was also becoming a problem, so it was better to part ways. Polee's situation had more to do with his dad more than anything.
Sampson would be here and playing, if he wasn't ineligble. Lavin is going hard after him again and he hasn't signed anywhere, so why bitch about it? The same for Gathers. If those kids go elsewhere then you have every right to complain. Otherwise, why bitch and complain when they haven't signed with another school yet?
This is only the staff second season. They had to restock an entire team. Not 3 or 4 players. An entire roster. Who also said anything about being satisfied with losing? The staff won last season, but are having a rough time this season. So, that suddenly means the program is falling? Get real.
Lastly, I'm tired of whiners and complainers like yourself who make a comment and then always passing it off as reality. Is that what they teach y'all in the book of whiners.... To pass everything off as reality? More times than not, it's usually an opinion.
who recruited those players? EX: Lindsey, Pelle etc.? See what I'm saying. What are you defending? You can't defend Lavin here if Lavin recruited them. I too like Lavin, but he has to take a hit here, because these are HIS recruits that didn't project or blend in here at St. John's.
We cannot afford another year of losing this recruit and this player on & on & on & on every two weeks again next September..., NOT ONE MORE and Lavin better start landing some players AND HOLDING ON TO THEM. We're still 4 or 5 players short for next year.
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"Mess"? What do I personally have to do with the mess of losing Pelle, Sampson, Gathers, Lindsey, Polee etc. etc.? All I'm doing is repeating the facts that you and others on this board seem to be having a difficult time accepting as reality. As you can tell, I don't enjoy kidding myself about my team chances of being successful. No wonder we've had a losing product around here for the best several years, we have a losing culture that accepts below mediocrity as a result and than defends it on top of that.
Are you satisfied with losing? Because if you are than your becoming an inadvertent barrier to future success.
You have nothing personally do with losing those kids. Pelle may or may not ever play collegiately. Same for Lindsey (he might not play college hoops again). Lindsey was also becoming a problem, so it was better to part ways. Polee's situation had more to do with his dad more than anything.
Sampson would be here and playing, if he wasn't ineligble. Lavin is going hard after him again and he hasn't signed anywhere, so why bitch about it? The same for Gathers. If those kids go elsewhere then you have every right to complain. Otherwise, why bitch and complain when they haven't signed with another school yet?
This is only the staff second season. They had to restock an entire team. Not 3 or 4 players. An entire roster. Who also said anything about being satisfied with losing? The staff won last season, but are having a rough time this season. So, that suddenly means the program is falling? Get real.
Lastly, I'm tired of whiners and complainers like yourself who make a comment and then always passing it off as reality. Is that what they teach y'all in the book of whiners.... To pass everything off as reality? More times than not, it's usually an opinion.
Let's not turn this is me vs you thing. Guys can share their opinions. Whining about whining or complaining about complaining is just as bad and triggers more whining and complaining. Make sense?
He thinks St. John's needs a true center and high quality academic players. That's not unfair to say. To a degree who can really argue with that?
I personally think it's unrealistic to grab 9 ivy league scholars with NBA talent in your first recruiting class but apparently some think thats possible. It's hard playing catchup on the mid major level recruiting and it's even more difficult at the highest of high major level of recruiting. This staff is leaps and bounds ahead of the average curve and the talent brought in might be best ever for St. John's.
I think the quality of character that is on this team is tremendous. I'd be more than happy to sit in a trench with those kids. Sometimes things don't work out with some kids for a number of reasons. It happens. Move on. I'm not even sure why people are even posting about Pelle anymore.
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who recruited those players? EX: Lindsey, Pelle etc.? See what I'm saying. What are you defending? You can't defend Lavin here if Lavin recruited them. I too like Lavin, but he has to take a hit here, because these are HIS recruits that didn't project or blend in here at St. John's.
We cannot afford another year of this losing this recruit and this player on & on & on & on..., NOT ONE MORE and Lavin better start lamding some players AND HOLDING ON TO THEM. We're 4 or 5 players short for next year.
I see what you're saying, but unfortunately for you it's not much of nothing. Sorry, dude. There were other prominent programs recruiting (and offered) Lindsey and Pelle. He took some chances because he had to reload an entire roster. He had to get an entire team. He wanted to replenish this roster with solid recruits. For the most part, you consistently win in this conference, and on a national scale, with solid players.
Once again, there is one more recruiting period and none of the players he's targeting have signed elsewhere. If they do, then you have every right to complain. Otherwise, you're just making yourself look like what I think you are.... a whiner.
Oh! What are you gonna do, if Lavin doesn't land those players and not hold onto them? Are you gonna stalk him?
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now yet again as if the majority of past 10 very underwhelming years wasn't bad enough. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and has for a long long time, and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what seems like the 1,000th straight time now. God forbid if we ever stuck it to that creep Boeheim even once, that would be long overdue and justified, but NO. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
I would ask how many teams in college basketball have a true center but we'll start small. How many teams in the Big East have a true center?
Unrelated to that true positions in the game now are fading. There are so many combo/hybrid players out there and thats where the game is moving.
You see what I mean, here we go defending mediocrity again, the above is yet another example of that.
How many NCAA Tournamet victories does St. John's have in the past 10+ years compared to those other teams? [ZERO?] It's a disgrace, and poor legendary Joe Lapchick must be rolling over watching it year after year. We owe it to him to FINALLY turn it around if not ourselves! :-[
Can we beat Syracuse and/or Villanova and demolish them the way they continuously demolish us is EVEN ONE TIME! God forbid that happened even once, that would be fair and long over-due. We've becoming a losing culture that defends losing instead of staring ourselves in the mirror, recognizing a losing product and FINALLY doing the things that are necessary to change it and NOT recruiting borderline very risky academic recruits is a strart. We can do better than that, anything is better than NOTHING AT ALL IN THE END.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now yet again as if the majority of past 10 very underwhelming years wasn't bad enough. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and has for a long long time, and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what seems like the 1,000th straight time now. God forbid if we ever stuck it to that creep Boeheim even once, that would be long overdue and justified, but NO. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
I would ask how many teams in college basketball have a true center but we'll start small. How many teams in the Big East have a true center?
Unrelated to that true positions in the game now are fading. There are so many combo/hybrid players out there and thats where the game is moving.
You see what I mean, here we go defending mediocrity again, the above is yet another example of that.
How many NCAA Tournamet victories does St. John's have in the past 10+ years compared to those other teams? [ZERO?] It's a disgrace, and poor legendary Joe Lapchick must be rolling over watching it year after year. We owe it to him to FINALLY turn it around if not ourselves! :-[
Can we beat Syracuse and/or Villanova and demolish them the way they continuously demolish us is EVEN ONE TIME! God forbid that happened even once, that would be fair and long over-due. We've becoming a losing culture that defends losing instead of staring ourselves in the mirror, recognizing a losing product and FINALLY doing the things that are necessary about changing it.
We beat Villanova on their floor LAST year.
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Let's not turn this is me vs you thing. Guys can share their opinions. Whining about whining or complaining about complaining is just as bad and triggers more whining and complaining. Make sense?
He thinks St. John's needs a true center and high quality academic players. That's not unfair to say. To a degree who can really argue with that?
I personally think it's unrealistic to grab 9 ivy league scholars with NBA talent in your first recruiting class but apparently some think thats possible. It's hard playing catchup on the mid major level recruiting and it's even more difficult at the highest of high major level of recruiting. This staff is leaps and bounds ahead of the average curve and the talent brought in might be best ever for St. John's.
I think the quality of character that is on this team is tremendous. I'd be more than happy to sit in a trench with those kids. Sometimes things don't work out with some kids for a number of reasons. It happens. Move on. I'm not even sure why people are even posting about Pelle anymore.
I, applaud what you do with your board, Dave.... Sometimes, it doesn't take long for one's radar to go up in the air, if you know what I mean. Even, moreso, if you know the history of the poster (a few others know who he is, as well). IMO, until these kids sign elsewhere then it's nothing more than whining and complaining. If, these kids sign elsewhere then he has every right to complain. Otherwise, what's the purpose?
I don't mind different opinions. I have no problem with it whatsoever. There are other times you know exactly what you're dealing with, if you know what I mean.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now yet again as if the majority of past 10 very underwhelming years wasn't bad enough. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and has for a long long time, and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what seems like the 1,000th straight time now. God forbid if we ever stuck it to that creep Boeheim even once, that would be long overdue and justified, but NO. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
I would ask how many teams in college basketball have a true center but we'll start small. How many teams in the Big East have a true center?
Unrelated to that true positions in the game now are fading. There are so many combo/hybrid players out there and thats where the game is moving.
You see what I mean, here we go defending mediocrity again, the above is yet another example of that.
How many NCAA Tournamet victories does St. John's have in the past 10+ years compared to those other teams? [ZERO?] It's a disgrace, and poor legendary Joe Lapchick must be rolling over watching it year after year. We owe it to him to FINALLY turn it around if not ourselves! :-[
Can we beat Syracuse and/or Villanova and demolish them the way they continuously demolish us is EVEN ONE TIME! God forbid that happened even once, that would be fair and long over-due. We've becoming a losing culture that defends losing instead of staring ourselves in the mirror, recognizing a losing product and FINALLY doing the things that are necessary about changing it.
We beat Villanova on their floor LAST year.
Oh gee great, I had forgot about that. So I guess we can lose to them 8 times in a row now.
The only thing I can't blame Lavin for is the conference falling apart which has hurt our recruiting too (imo).
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Who woke this guy up? :2funny:
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Let's not turn this is me vs you thing. Guys can share their opinions. Whining about whining or complaining about complaining is just as bad and triggers more whining and complaining. Make sense?
He thinks St. John's needs a true center and high quality academic players. That's not unfair to say. To a degree who can really argue with that?
I personally think it's unrealistic to grab 9 ivy league scholars with NBA talent in your first recruiting class but apparently some think thats possible. It's hard playing catchup on the mid major level recruiting and it's even more difficult at the highest of high major level of recruiting. This staff is leaps and bounds ahead of the average curve and the talent brought in might be best ever for St. John's.
I think the quality of character that is on this team is tremendous. I'd be more than happy to sit in a trench with those kids. Sometimes things don't work out with some kids for a number of reasons. It happens. Move on. I'm not even sure why people are even posting about Pelle anymore.
I, applaud what you do with your board, Dave.... Sometimes, it doesn't take long for one's radar to go up in the air, if you know what I mean. Even, moreso, if you know the history of the poster (a few others know who he is, as well). IMO, until these kids sign elsewhere then it's nothing more than whining and complaining. If, these kids sign elsewhere then he has every right to complain. Otherwise, what's the purpose?
I don't mind different opinions. I have no problem with it whatsoever. There are other times you know exactly what you're dealing with, if you know what I mean.
This stuff is so DEPRESSING.
That's why I left the boards for probably three years.
I feel bad for Lavin, the current players, and hell even the decommits, and the ineligible players.
Lavin stepped into a nice senior laden team that he was able to get on the path to playing to their strengths and a magical run by Hardy.
I have never seen a program graduate 10 kids at one time. Roberts was let go when he was because of the fact that he would have signed their replacements with the next class IMHO.
We need to support the team and stop being so critical. If we go through the spring signing period with no one signed then I will start worrying. I hear otherwise in regards to who will be on board when LOI s are signed.
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I'm sorry, but what perennial dreamers on this board. All I read is how we'll end up signing this guy and that guy etc. etc., and through that same period of time/3 months and in reality we lost half our team to either academic casualties or transfers and/or decommitments.
I like Steve Lavin and I feel very bad for him and his current battle with cancer, and I think he's a good recruiter and very decent classy man, but this program is in big trouble right now yet again as if the majority of past 10 very underwhelming years wasn't bad enough. This program still lacks a true dominant Center and has for a long long time, and we're currently short (5) scholarship players. Syracuse just beat us for what seems like the 1,000th straight time now. God forbid if we ever stuck it to that creep Boeheim even once, that would be long overdue and justified, but NO. Forget this season, this season is long gone already and if Lavin doesn't start righting the ship fast and start landing some new recruits and start holding on to the ones that he lands than next season is going to be over with fast as well and Lavin will unfortunately begin to be on the hot-seat.
I would ask how many teams in college basketball have a true center but we'll start small. How many teams in the Big East have a true center?
Unrelated to that true positions in the game now are fading. There are so many combo/hybrid players out there and thats where the game is moving.
You see what I mean, here we go defending mediocrity again, the above is yet another example of that.
How many NCAA Tournamet victories does St. John's have in the past 10+ years compared to those other teams? [ZERO?] It's a disgrace, and poor legendary Joe Lapchick must be rolling over watching it year after year. We owe it to him to FINALLY turn it around if not ourselves! :-[
Can we beat Syracuse and/or Villanova and demolish them the way they continuously demolish us is EVEN ONE TIME! God forbid that happened even once, that would be fair and long over-due. We've becoming a losing culture that defends losing instead of staring ourselves in the mirror, recognizing a losing product and FINALLY doing the things that are necessary about changing it.
We beat Villanova on their floor LAST year.
Oh gee great, I had forgot about that. So I guess we can lose to them 8 times in a row now.
The only thing I can't blame Lavin for is the conference falling apart which has hurt our recruiting too (imo).
You are to worried about finding fault in everything to even remember last year.
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Let's not turn this is me vs you thing. Guys can share their opinions. Whining about whining or complaining about complaining is just as bad and triggers more whining and complaining. Make sense?
He thinks St. John's needs a true center and high quality academic players. That's not unfair to say. To a degree who can really argue with that?
I personally think it's unrealistic to grab 9 ivy league scholars with NBA talent in your first recruiting class but apparently some think thats possible. It's hard playing catchup on the mid major level recruiting and it's even more difficult at the highest of high major level of recruiting. This staff is leaps and bounds ahead of the average curve and the talent brought in might be best ever for St. John's.
I think the quality of character that is on this team is tremendous. I'd be more than happy to sit in a trench with those kids. Sometimes things don't work out with some kids for a number of reasons. It happens. Move on. I'm not even sure why people are even posting about Pelle anymore.
I, applaud what you do with your board, Dave.... Sometimes, it doesn't take long for one's radar to go up in the air, if you know what I mean. Even, moreso, if you know the history of the poster (a few others know who he is, as well). IMO, until these kids sign elsewhere then it's nothing more than whining and complaining. If, these kids sign elsewhere then he has every right to complain. Otherwise, what's the purpose?
I don't mind different opinions. I have no problem with it whatsoever. There are other times you know exactly what you're dealing with, if you know what I mean.
This stuff is so DEPRESSING.
That's why I left the boards for probably three years.
I feel bad for Lavin, the current players, and hell even the decommits, and the ineligible players.
Lavin stepped into a nice senior laden team that he was able to get on the path to playing to their strengths and a magical run by Hardy.
I have never seen a program graduate 10 kids at one time. Roberts was let go when he was because of the fact that he would have signed their replacements with the next class IMHO.
We need to support the team and stop being so critical. If we go through the spring signing period with no one signed then I will start worrying. I hear otherwise in regards to who will be on board when LOI s are signed.
Yes, it is depressing, tr. I'm all for critiquing and citing issues. But, some of these folks (there aren't many, but just enough) are clearly over-the-top. One of my friends said, he never goes to the message boards. He gets his fix and info (either from me or others) elsewhere.
I'm sure your reasons for staying away are the same as his now.
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Let's not turn this is me vs you thing. Guys can share their opinions. Whining about whining or complaining about complaining is just as bad and triggers more whining and complaining. Make sense?
He thinks St. John's needs a true center and high quality academic players. That's not unfair to say. To a degree who can really argue with that?
I personally think it's unrealistic to grab 9 ivy league scholars with NBA talent in your first recruiting class but apparently some think thats possible. It's hard playing catchup on the mid major level recruiting and it's even more difficult at the highest of high major level of recruiting. This staff is leaps and bounds ahead of the average curve and the talent brought in might be best ever for St. John's.
I think the quality of character that is on this team is tremendous. I'd be more than happy to sit in a trench with those kids. Sometimes things don't work out with some kids for a number of reasons. It happens. Move on. I'm not even sure why people are even posting about Pelle anymore.
I, applaud what you do with your board, Dave.... Sometimes, it doesn't take long for one's radar to go up in the air, if you know what I mean. Even, moreso, if you know the history of the poster (a few others know who he is, as well). IMO, until these kids sign elsewhere then it's nothing more than whining and complaining. If, these kids sign elsewhere then he has every right to complain. Otherwise, what's the purpose?
I don't mind different opinions. I have no problem with it whatsoever. There are other times you know exactly what you're dealing with, if you know what I mean.
This stuff is so DEPRESSING.
That's why I left the boards for probably three years.
I feel bad for Lavin, the current players, and hell even the decommits, and the ineligible players.
Lavin stepped into a nice senior laden team that he was able to get on the path to playing to their strengths and a magical run by Hardy.
I have never seen a program graduate 10 kids at one time. Roberts was let go when he was because of the fact that he would have signed their replacements with the next class IMHO.
We need to support the team and stop being so critical. If we go through the spring signing period with no one signed then I will start worrying. I hear otherwise in regards to who will be on board when LOI s are signed.
"DEPRESSING"? yes it is, but it's also REALITY isn't it, and stop running way from it. Handle it by discussing what is needed to possibly and hopefully FINALLY change it. Pretending it doesn't exist won't cut the mustard or do anything to make it better because all that will do is prolong it. EX: "Show me a gracious loser and I'll show you a Busboy". "You are what your record says you are", and what has St. John's record in basketball been the past 10+ years? Do you want to puke about the reality of it now or later if your strong enough to look at it straight in the eye as depressing as it is?
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Let's not turn this is me vs you thing. Guys can share their opinions. Whining about whining or complaining about complaining is just as bad and triggers more whining and complaining. Make sense?
He thinks St. John's needs a true center and high quality academic players. That's not unfair to say. To a degree who can really argue with that?
I personally think it's unrealistic to grab 9 ivy league scholars with NBA talent in your first recruiting class but apparently some think thats possible. It's hard playing catchup on the mid major level recruiting and it's even more difficult at the highest of high major level of recruiting. This staff is leaps and bounds ahead of the average curve and the talent brought in might be best ever for St. John's.
I think the quality of character that is on this team is tremendous. I'd be more than happy to sit in a trench with those kids. Sometimes things don't work out with some kids for a number of reasons. It happens. Move on. I'm not even sure why people are even posting about Pelle anymore.
I, applaud what you do with your board, Dave.... Sometimes, it doesn't take long for one's radar to go up in the air, if you know what I mean. Even, moreso, if you know the history of the poster (a few others know who he is, as well). IMO, until these kids sign elsewhere then it's nothing more than whining and complaining. If, these kids sign elsewhere then he has every right to complain. Otherwise, what's the purpose?
I don't mind different opinions. I have no problem with it whatsoever. There are other times you know exactly what you're dealing with, if you know what I mean.
This stuff is so DEPRESSING.
That's why I left the boards for probably three years.
I feel bad for Lavin, the current players, and hell even the decommits, and the ineligible players.
Lavin stepped into a nice senior laden team that he was able to get on the path to playing to their strengths and a magical run by Hardy.
I have never seen a program graduate 10 kids at one time. Roberts was let go when he was because of the fact that he would have signed their replacements with the next class IMHO.
We need to support the team and stop being so critical. If we go through the spring signing period with no one signed then I will start worrying. I hear otherwise in regards to who will be on board when LOI s are signed.
"DEPRESSING"? yes it is, but it's also REALITY isn't it, and stop running way from it. Handle it by discussing what is neede to FINALLY change it. Pretending it doesn't exist won't cut the mustard or do anything to make it better because all that will do is prolong it. "Show me a gracious loser and I'll show you a Busboy".
Who's running? I said I'll worry when we go the spring by not signing anyone. UCONN added Daniels and Drummond in Aug and Sept I think. This team would have only been slightly better with Pelle and Sampson. This year was a learning year anyway. No one is running.
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I've lost track: Is Lapchick1 Rojo or realfan?
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I've lost track: Is Lapchick1 Rojo or realfan?
Rojo.
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These Freshmen have played their hearts out, it's not their fault at all. They need a lot of help. They don't have a chance in heaven to SUSTAIN WINNING right now. They lack depth, experience, overall size on & on & on... They'll play one great game and exhorst all their energy and have nothing left for the next three games.
There's a reason why we keep losing basically year after year, and that's because we're just not good enough. There's also a reason why Syracuse keeps winning, because they're always loaded with talent comparted to us.
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Several options;
Root for Syracuse
Adjust your meds
Lighten up and stop treating this stuff as life and death.
No response needed or desired
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There's a reason why we keep losing basically year after year, and that's because we're just not good enough. There's also a reason why Syracuse keeps winning, because they're always loaded with talent comparted to us.
Do you not see the vast difference between where we were pre-Lavin and where we are headed now? If we get two of the big men we are pursuing and a decent guard, we are going to be a scary team. What will you complain about then? Boo hoo, Obekpa only averaged 2.7 bpg as a freshman for us and not 5. Boo hoo, Syracuse big men are better. Boo hoo, if Dunlap's wife would be more willing to polish some helmets we'd be able to get better players. We get it, you're a douche bag. But at least try to be a douche bag who makes sense.
My prediction is that you will simply disappear like all the other posters who lived to type nonsense just for the sake of starting shit. Where are red dot and Q in Yonkers anyway?
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I thought i remember us having some good wins last year? No? Maybe i was dreaming.
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Let's not turn this is me vs you thing. Guys can share their opinions. Whining about whining or complaining about complaining is just as bad and triggers more whining and complaining. Make sense?
He thinks St. John's needs a true center and high quality academic players. That's not unfair to say. To a degree who can really argue with that?
I personally think it's unrealistic to grab 9 ivy league scholars with NBA talent in your first recruiting class but apparently some think thats possible. It's hard playing catchup on the mid major level recruiting and it's even more difficult at the highest of high major level of recruiting. This staff is leaps and bounds ahead of the average curve and the talent brought in might be best ever for St. John's.
I think the quality of character that is on this team is tremendous. I'd be more than happy to sit in a trench with those kids. Sometimes things don't work out with some kids for a number of reasons. It happens. Move on. I'm not even sure why people are even posting about Pelle anymore.
I, applaud what you do with your board, Dave.... Sometimes, it doesn't take long for one's radar to go up in the air, if you know what I mean. Even, moreso, if you know the history of the poster (a few others know who he is, as well). IMO, until these kids sign elsewhere then it's nothing more than whining and complaining. If, these kids sign elsewhere then he has every right to complain. Otherwise, what's the purpose?
I don't mind different opinions. I have no problem with it whatsoever. There are other times you know exactly what you're dealing with, if you know what I mean.
I don't care about a posters history on other websites, I don't have a radar on anyone, nor do I want you or anyone else being a vigilante moderator. I've asked you numerous times to not go out of your way to defend the board/program. I understand you have tremendous pride and appreciate that but when you do that it only causes more problems.
Do you see how far off topic this has gotten? So one person has an extreme opinion. So what? Why waste your time and more so everyone elses going back and forth clogging up a thread. If you want to do that then go to another website. This is my last time asking. If you have anything to respond to this message do it via PM.
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There's a reason why we keep losing basically year after year, and that's because we're just not good enough. There's also a reason why Syracuse keeps winning, because they're always loaded with talent comparted to us.
Do you not see the vast difference between where we were pre-Lavin and where we are headed now? If we get two of the big men we are pursuing and a decent guard, we are going to be a scary team. What will you complain about then? Boo hoo, Obekpa only averaged 2.7 bpg as a freshman for us and not 5. Boo hoo, Syracuse big men are better. Boo hoo, if Dunlap's wife would be more willing to polish some helmets we'd be able to get better players. We get it, you're a douche bag. But at least try to be a douche bag who makes sense.
My prediction is that you will simply disappear like all the other posters who lived to type nonsense just for the sake of starting shit. Where are red dot and Q in Yonkers anyway?
Really? C'mon you were on point till mentioning medical products :knuppel2:
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There's a reason why we keep losing basically year after year, and that's because we're just not good enough. There's also a reason why Syracuse keeps winning, because they're always loaded with talent comparted to us.
Do you not see the vast difference between where we were pre-Lavin and where we are headed now? If we get two of the big men we are pursuing and a decent guard, we are going to be a scary team. What will you complain about then? Boo hoo, Obekpa only averaged 2.7 bpg as a freshman for us and not 5. Boo hoo, Syracuse big men are better. Boo hoo, if Dunlap's wife would be more willing to polish some helmets we'd be able to get better players. We get it, you're a douche bag. But at least try to be a douche bag who makes sense.
My prediction is that you will simply disappear like all the other posters who lived to type nonsense just for the sake of starting shit. Where are red dot and Q in Yonkers anyway?
Really? C'mon you were on point till mentioning medical products :knuppel2:
It's a scientific term, isn't it? ;D
My apologies. It just pisses me off that people can't wait until spring before getting off the bandwagon. Next season if we have the same roster, plus three guys from Northport High School, then you can complain. But jeez, let the staff do its thing.
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A couple of things...
1) I don't think anybody on this board isn't living in reality Lapchick. No one here is saying they think we can do damage with the roster as it's currently constituted. EVERYONE, universally, is saying it's imperative now that coach is able to lockup two of the post players we're involved with, and probably a rotational guard as well. Look around, people recognize how pivotal a moment this spring recruiting period is for the future of the program.
2) I do think he has a point about a big man. I think the lack of one could be what keeps this team from make a deep run in either 2013 or 2014. I'm in complete agreement with those of you who say the game has evolved and there's a higher priority now on being able to get up and down the court, as opposed to pure size, which was the key ingredient in the 80s and early 90s. But I think what's happened now is that the emphasis is on finding those athletic 6'9 - 6'10 guys who can run the floor and still be a force blocking shots in the paint. There's no one way to construct a roster, and we've seen smaller teams achieve a lot. But, personally, i don't think that's a recipe for long term success. If you look at the teams we've faced; Syracuse, UCONN, Kentucky, Lousiville, Georgetown ... these programs which more or less have sustained success have all changed their rosters to acquire one or two lengthy but athletic big men. They're a valuable commodity, and there's only a few in every recruiting class I realize that. But, moving forward we're going to have to find a player that can compete with the Drummonds, Anthony Davises, Melos, Zellers, Hensons and Diengs of college basketball. Honestly it seems like every quality team has that guy. THAT is the direction the game is moving in. And personally even with Sampson and Obekpa, I think those types of players are still going to be huge mismatch problems for us. And to make a long tourny run you have to have a team that is well-rounded enough to matchup with different opponents. We'll still play our game, but for stretches you may need to put your shooters out there to stretch a zone, or go big to protect the paint and limit offensive rebounds when you're getting killed in that department. You need to matchup, and I don't see us being able to.
That's just my opinion, but I think it is a concern for this team if they develop as we think they can. Going on a run like the undersized WVU and Marquette teams did requires too much luck and favorable matchups.
3) Next, .. Right or wrong, I think the uncertainty facing the Big East is having a big impact on our recruiting. Probably a larger role then we realize. I think the kids should have nothing to worry about because a basketball league with presences in the east coast markets will always draw tv attention. So Georgetown, SJU, Villanova etc will always have meaningful basketball. But kids don't always know that, and I think it's a common theme they're hearing from opposing coaches. THAT .. I don't know how to counter. But I'm sure Lav has worked on a few lines to rebut it.
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Memphis State joining conference a big help. Seems likely.
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Memphis State joining conference a big help. Seems likely.
Good point. I remember Pitino lobbying for them earlier this season. That will certainly help.
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A couple of things...
1) I don't think anybody on this board isn't living in reality Lapchick. No one here is saying they think we can do damage with the roster as it's currently constituted. EVERYONE, universally, is saying it's imperative now that coach is able to lockup two of the post players we're involved with, and probably a rotational guard as well. Look around, people recognize how pivotal a moment this spring recruiting period is for the future of the program.
2) I do think he has a point about a big man. I think the lack of one could be what keeps this team from make a deep run in either 2013 or 2014. I'm in complete agreement with those of you who say the game has evolved and there's a higher priority now on being able to get up and down the court, as opposed to pure size, which was the key ingredient in the 80s and early 90s. But I think what's happened now is that the emphasis is on finding those athletic 6'9 - 6'10 guys who can run the floor and still be a force blocking shots in the paint. There's no one way to construct a roster, and we've seen smaller teams achieve a lot. But, personally, i don't think that's a recipe for long term success. If you look at the teams we've faced; Syracuse, UCONN, Kentucky, Lousiville, Georgetown ... these programs which more or less have sustained success have all changed their rosters to acquire one or two lengthy but athletic big men. They're a valuable commodity, and there's only a few in every recruiting class I realize that. But, moving forward we're going to have to find a player that can compete with the Drummonds, Anthony Davises, Melos, Zellers, Hensons and Diengs of college basketball. Honestly it seems like every quality team has that guy. THAT is the direction the game is moving in. And personally even with Sampson and Obekpa, I think those types of players are still going to be huge mismatch problems for us. And to make a long tourny run you have to have a team that is well-rounded enough to matchup with different opponents. We'll still play our game, but for stretches you may need to put your shooters out there to stretch a zone, or go big to protect the paint and limit offensive rebounds when you're getting killed in that department. You need to matchup, and I don't see us being able to.
That's just my opinion, but I think it is a concern for this team if they develop as we think they can. Going on a run like the undersized WVU and Marquette teams did requires too much luck and favorable matchups.
3) Next, .. Right or wrong, I think the uncertainty facing the Big East is having a big impact on our recruiting. Probably a larger role then we realize. I think the kids should have nothing to worry about because a basketball league with presences in the east coast markets will always draw tv attention. So Georgetown, SJU, Villanova etc will always have meaningful basketball. But kids don't always know that, and I think it's a common theme they're hearing from opposing coaches. THAT .. I don't know how to counter. But I'm sure Lav has worked on a few lines to rebut it.
And in March it becomes much more of a half court game where an intimidating center plays a much more important role.
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A couple of things...
1) I don't think anybody on this board isn't living in reality Lapchick. No one here is saying they think we can do damage with the roster as it's currently constituted. EVERYONE, universally, is saying it's imperative now that coach is able to lockup two of the post players we're involved with, and probably a rotational guard as well. Look around, people recognize how pivotal a moment this spring recruiting period is for the future of the program.
2) I do think he has a point about a big man. I think the lack of one could be what keeps this team from make a deep run in either 2013 or 2014. I'm in complete agreement with those of you who say the game has evolved and there's a higher priority now on being able to get up and down the court, as opposed to pure size, which was the key ingredient in the 80s and early 90s. But I think what's happened now is that the emphasis is on finding those athletic 6'9 - 6'10 guys who can run the floor and still be a force blocking shots in the paint. There's no one way to construct a roster, and we've seen smaller teams achieve a lot. But, personally, i don't think that's a recipe for long term success. If you look at the teams we've faced; Syracuse, UCONN, Kentucky, Lousiville, Georgetown ... these programs which more or less have sustained success have all changed their rosters to acquire one or two lengthy but athletic big men. They're a valuable commodity, and there's only a few in every recruiting class I realize that. But, moving forward we're going to have to find a player that can compete with the Drummonds, Anthony Davises, Melos, Zellers, Hensons and Diengs of college basketball. Honestly it seems like every quality team has that guy. THAT is the direction the game is moving in. And personally even with Sampson and Obekpa, I think those types of players are still going to be huge mismatch problems for us. And to make a long tourny run you have to have a team that is well-rounded enough to matchup with different opponents. We'll still play our game, but for stretches you may need to put your shooters out there to stretch a zone, or go big to protect the paint and limit offensive rebounds when you're getting killed in that department. You need to matchup, and I don't see us being able to.
That's just my opinion, but I think it is a concern for this team if they develop as we think they can. Going on a run like the undersized WVU and Marquette teams did requires too much luck and favorable matchups.
3) Next, .. Right or wrong, I think the uncertainty facing the Big East is having a big impact on our recruiting. Probably a larger role then we realize. I think the kids should have nothing to worry about because a basketball league with presences in the east coast markets will always draw tv attention. So Georgetown, SJU, Villanova etc will always have meaningful basketball. But kids don't always know that, and I think it's a common theme they're hearing from opposing coaches. THAT .. I don't know how to counter. But I'm sure Lav has worked on a few lines to rebut it.
And in March it becomes much more of a half court game where an intimidating center plays a much more important role.
It depends on the team. Kansas, for example, sprinted past every team until they lost to the Carmelo-led Syracuse Orange in the championship game.
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A couple of things...
1) I don't think anybody on this board isn't living in reality Lapchick. No one here is saying they think we can do damage with the roster as it's currently constituted. EVERYONE, universally, is saying it's imperative now that coach is able to lockup two of the post players we're involved with, and probably a rotational guard as well. Look around, people recognize how pivotal a moment this spring recruiting period is for the future of the program.
2) I do think he has a point about a big man. I think the lack of one could be what keeps this team from make a deep run in either 2013 or 2014. I'm in complete agreement with those of you who say the game has evolved and there's a higher priority now on being able to get up and down the court, as opposed to pure size, which was the key ingredient in the 80s and early 90s. But I think what's happened now is that the emphasis is on finding those athletic 6'9 - 6'10 guys who can run the floor and still be a force blocking shots in the paint. There's no one way to construct a roster, and we've seen smaller teams achieve a lot. But, personally, i don't think that's a recipe for long term success. If you look at the teams we've faced; Syracuse, UCONN, Kentucky, Lousiville, Georgetown ... these programs which more or less have sustained success have all changed their rosters to acquire one or two lengthy but athletic big men. They're a valuable commodity, and there's only a few in every recruiting class I realize that. But, moving forward we're going to have to find a player that can compete with the Drummonds, Anthony Davises, Melos, Zellers, Hensons and Diengs of college basketball. Honestly it seems like every quality team has that guy. THAT is the direction the game is moving in. And personally even with Sampson and Obekpa, I think those types of players are still going to be huge mismatch problems for us. And to make a long tourny run you have to have a team that is well-rounded enough to matchup with different opponents. We'll still play our game, but for stretches you may need to put your shooters out there to stretch a zone, or go big to protect the paint and limit offensive rebounds when you're getting killed in that department. You need to matchup, and I don't see us being able to.
That's just my opinion, but I think it is a concern for this team if they develop as we think they can. Going on a run like the undersized WVU and Marquette teams did requires too much luck and favorable matchups.
3) Next, .. Right or wrong, I think the uncertainty facing the Big East is having a big impact on our recruiting. Probably a larger role then we realize. I think the kids should have nothing to worry about because a basketball league with presences in the east coast markets will always draw tv attention. So Georgetown, SJU, Villanova etc will always have meaningful basketball. But kids don't always know that, and I think it's a common theme they're hearing from opposing coaches. THAT .. I don't know how to counter. But I'm sure Lav has worked on a few lines to rebut it.
None of the uncertainty is hurting our recruiting. We just have been having a bit of a rough patch with the 2012 class. We're in great shape with 13', 14' classes and on. Just got caught in a bit if a bad situation this season without optimal recruiting situation this season, nothing more. It is still imperative we land 2 big forwards or a center.
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A couple of things...
1) I don't think anybody on this board isn't living in reality Lapchick. No one here is saying they think we can do damage with the roster as it's currently constituted. EVERYONE, universally, is saying it's imperative now that coach is able to lockup two of the post players we're involved with, and probably a rotational guard as well. Look around, people recognize how pivotal a moment this spring recruiting period is for the future of the program.
2) I do think he has a point about a big man. I think the lack of one could be what keeps this team from make a deep run in either 2013 or 2014. I'm in complete agreement with those of you who say the game has evolved and there's a higher priority now on being able to get up and down the court, as opposed to pure size, which was the key ingredient in the 80s and early 90s. But I think what's happened now is that the emphasis is on finding those athletic 6'9 - 6'10 guys who can run the floor and still be a force blocking shots in the paint. There's no one way to construct a roster, and we've seen smaller teams achieve a lot. But, personally, i don't think that's a recipe for long term success. If you look at the teams we've faced; Syracuse, UCONN, Kentucky, Lousiville, Georgetown ... these programs which more or less have sustained success have all changed their rosters to acquire one or two lengthy but athletic big men. They're a valuable commodity, and there's only a few in every recruiting class I realize that. But, moving forward we're going to have to find a player that can compete with the Drummonds, Anthony Davises, Melos, Zellers, Hensons and Diengs of college basketball. Honestly it seems like every quality team has that guy. THAT is the direction the game is moving in. And personally even with Sampson and Obekpa, I think those types of players are still going to be huge mismatch problems for us. And to make a long tourny run you have to have a team that is well-rounded enough to matchup with different opponents. We'll still play our game, but for stretches you may need to put your shooters out there to stretch a zone, or go big to protect the paint and limit offensive rebounds when you're getting killed in that department. You need to matchup, and I don't see us being able to.
That's just my opinion, but I think it is a concern for this team if they develop as we think they can. Going on a run like the undersized WVU and Marquette teams did requires too much luck and favorable matchups.
3) Next, .. Right or wrong, I think the uncertainty facing the Big East is having a big impact on our recruiting. Probably a larger role then we realize. I think the kids should have nothing to worry about because a basketball league with presences in the east coast markets will always draw tv attention. So Georgetown, SJU, Villanova etc will always have meaningful basketball. But kids don't always know that, and I think it's a common theme they're hearing from opposing coaches. THAT .. I don't know how to counter. But I'm sure Lav has worked on a few lines to rebut it.
None of the uncertainty is hurting our recruiting. We just have been having a bit of a rough patch with the 2012 class. We're in great shape with 13', 14' classes and on. Just got caught in a bit if a bad situation this season without optimal recruiting situation this season, nothing more. It is still imperative we land 2 big forwards or a center.
Not saying coach Lavs is anything like Norm but your post does remind me of the Norm recruiting years when everyone made excuses for the poor present recruiting and promised great riches in the near future and year after year it kept getting pushed back.
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A couple of things...
1) I don't think anybody on this board isn't living in reality Lapchick. No one here is saying they think we can do damage with the roster as it's currently constituted. EVERYONE, universally, is saying it's imperative now that coach is able to lockup two of the post players we're involved with, and probably a rotational guard as well. Look around, people recognize how pivotal a moment this spring recruiting period is for the future of the program.
2) I do think he has a point about a big man. I think the lack of one could be what keeps this team from make a deep run in either 2013 or 2014. I'm in complete agreement with those of you who say the game has evolved and there's a higher priority now on being able to get up and down the court, as opposed to pure size, which was the key ingredient in the 80s and early 90s. But I think what's happened now is that the emphasis is on finding those athletic 6'9 - 6'10 guys who can run the floor and still be a force blocking shots in the paint. There's no one way to construct a roster, and we've seen smaller teams achieve a lot. But, personally, i don't think that's a recipe for long term success. If you look at the teams we've faced; Syracuse, UCONN, Kentucky, Lousiville, Georgetown ... these programs which more or less have sustained success have all changed their rosters to acquire one or two lengthy but athletic big men. They're a valuable commodity, and there's only a few in every recruiting class I realize that. But, moving forward we're going to have to find a player that can compete with the Drummonds, Anthony Davises, Melos, Zellers, Hensons and Diengs of college basketball. Honestly it seems like every quality team has that guy. THAT is the direction the game is moving in. And personally even with Sampson and Obekpa, I think those types of players are still going to be huge mismatch problems for us. And to make a long tourny run you have to have a team that is well-rounded enough to matchup with different opponents. We'll still play our game, but for stretches you may need to put your shooters out there to stretch a zone, or go big to protect the paint and limit offensive rebounds when you're getting killed in that department. You need to matchup, and I don't see us being able to.
That's just my opinion, but I think it is a concern for this team if they develop as we think they can. Going on a run like the undersized WVU and Marquette teams did requires too much luck and favorable matchups.
3) Next, .. Right or wrong, I think the uncertainty facing the Big East is having a big impact on our recruiting. Probably a larger role then we realize. I think the kids should have nothing to worry about because a basketball league with presences in the east coast markets will always draw tv attention. So Georgetown, SJU, Villanova etc will always have meaningful basketball. But kids don't always know that, and I think it's a common theme they're hearing from opposing coaches. THAT .. I don't know how to counter. But I'm sure Lav has worked on a few lines to rebut it.
None of the uncertainty is hurting our recruiting. We just have been having a bit of a rough patch with the 2012 class. We're in great shape with 13', 14' classes and on. Just got caught in a bit if a bad situation this season without optimal recruiting situation this season, nothing more. It is still imperative we land 2 big forwards or a center.
Not saying coach Lavs is anything like Norm but your post does remind me of the Norm recruiting years when everyone made excuses for the poor present recruiting and promised great riches in the near future and year after year it kept getting pushed back.
Difference is Lav accomplished more in 1 year than Norm did in 6.
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None of the uncertainty is hurting our recruiting. We just have been having a bit of a rough patch with the 2012 class. We're in great shape with 13', 14' classes and on. Just got caught in a bit if a bad situation this season without optimal recruiting situation this season, nothing more. It is still imperative we land 2 big forwards or a center.
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In two years, if Calhoun has retired, and/or UCONN has bolted; which are both increasingly likely... our conference is a shell of itself. It's still a good league and we're far from being irrelevant, but opposing coaches see the writing on the wall. The Big East is on the ropes, and if UCONN falls down we'll find ourselves in the 5th or 6th best conference in the country. Not terrible, but a far cry from what we have been.
Memphis helps, as would Temple. But neither of them replace a Syracuse, Pitt, or diminished UCONN program. Maybe Memphis washes out the West Virginia loss. But that's about it.
In the long run I'm not worried about coach's health or loyalty to the program, or his ability to recruit. He'll get recruits here, you can guarantee that. But the changing Big East is a real concern IMO.
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None of the uncertainty is hurting our recruiting. We just have been having a bit of a rough patch with the 2012 class. We're in great shape with 13', 14' classes and on. Just got caught in a bit if a bad situation this season without optimal recruiting situation this season, nothing more. It is still imperative we land 2 big forwards or a center.
In two years, if Calhoun has retired, and/or UCONN has bolted; which are both increasingly likely... our conference is a shell of itself. It's still a good league and we're far from being irrelevant, but opposing coaches see the writing on the wall. The Big East is on the ropes, and if UCONN falls down we'll find ourselves in the 5th or 6th best conference in the country. Not terrible, but a far cry from what we have been.
Memphis helps, as would Temple. But neither of them replace a Syracuse, Pitt, or diminished UCONN program. Maybe Memphis washes out the West Virginia loss. But that's about it.
In the long run I'm not worried about coach's health or loyalty to the program, or his ability to recruit. He'll get recruits here, you can guarantee that. But the changing Big East is a real concern IMO.
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You're wrong on a few levels. There are a lot of schools capable of playing good ball beside Uconn. Louisville, Nova, Marquette, Georgetown and now teams like SJU, Rutgers, providence and other stepping in with quality coaches.
Memphis certainly can replace a Pitt. Pitt dominated in our league, but outside of beating big east teams and being a PIA for us, they have done little in the NCAA tourney. Memphis is also top 10 in attendance and fan support and draw more fans than Pitt or WVU. They are a quality program with fantastic fan support. Temple is one spot behind Syracuse in All-time wins and are well ahead of SJU. They are a power bball player if they ever join the league.
Others like Houston, UCF and SMU might take a little time, but UCF isn't bad and neither is Houston. Houston actually has a rich basketball tradition back to Olajuwon, Drexler etc and have a few final fours and a national championship appearance.
I think your are entirely overstating the loss of these teams. Don't forget, Syracuse isn't going to have a 900-win coach for much longer in Boeheim who is set to retire real soon. We look at it as a huge loss, but is it? BOEHEIM Boeheim-coached Cuse is a huge loss. A mike Hopkins coached Cuse is not.
This league can easily replace Pitt and WVU with Memphis and Temple. I actually think Memphis and Temple are better. The loss of Cuse will be blunted when they lose Boeheim to retirement. The real key is teams like Uconn and Louisville hiring top notch coaches when Calhoun and Pitino leave. Kevin Ollie isn't going to cut it. They should go after a Brad Stevens or even a Sean Miller.
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It looks like he left Phelps and is playing ball for Stonebridge prep school in Cali. this is a tweet regarding Findlay preps game vs. Stonebridge from the Findlay coach.
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"@PremierBall: 2013 Norvel Pelle with 7 pts 5 blks, 6 rebs and 5 fouls. #Findlay" he's going to be a defensive factor next year! D instincts
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He's going to dominate next season as a 6th year high school player. His nickname can be "Mister"
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So this kid graduated from high school in June of 2011 and is doing a prep year this year and re-classifies to 2013..?
I know the coaches that will end up recruting him don't care but what a joke, the kid will be 20 - 21 entering college.
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So this kid graduated from high school in June of 2011 and is doing a prep year this year and re-classifies to 2013..?
I know the coaches that will end up recruting him don't care but what a joke, the kid will be 20 - 21 entering college.
I asked premierball about the 2013 listing and he said he made a mistake. Pelle is still a 2012 kid provided he gets the grades.
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So this kid graduated from high school in June of 2011 and is doing a prep year this year and re-classifies to 2013..?
I know the coaches that will end up recruiting him don't care but what a joke, the kid will be 20 - 21 entering college.
After the extra year of classes I would hope he can at least get into a partial qualifying school or possibly he will just go to Europe. I don't know if he would be able to make it in the D league.
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I still think he'll be a JUCO but who knows.
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I think he'll do nothing for a while, and eventually end up playing D-II in San Francisco with the Academy of Art University Urban Knights.
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Iowa State now in the mix for Pelle..
Former St Johns commit Norvel Pelle is scheduled to visit Iowa St next week.
https://twitter.com/#!/NealNieves/status/173500440560939008
But Nieves also says Pelle isn't likely to make a decision till May. I'm guessing that's because Pelle needs to know where he stands academically.
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http://www.yardbarker.com/all_sports/articles/2012_big_man_norvel_pelle_will_officially_visit/10158436 (http://www.yardbarker.com/all_sports/articles/2012_big_man_norvel_pelle_will_officially_visit/10158436)
according to Beard, is considering Iowa State, San Diego State, UNLV, UTEP, LSU and UConn
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If hes considering UCONN {east coast} Why are we out w him. Even though he is an academic risk what would we have to loose w him, we have plenty of scholis, unless Lavin thinks he has a bad attitude.
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If hes considering UCONN {east coast} Why are we out w him. Even though he is an academic risk what would we have to loose w him, we have plenty of scholis, unless Lavin thinks he has a bad attitude.
Our lack of interest speaks volumes for his zany, immature and wasteful ways.
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If hes considering UCONN {east coast} Why are we out w him. Even though he is an academic risk what would we have to loose w him, we have plenty of scholis, unless Lavin thinks he has a bad attitude.
Our lack of interest speaks volumes for his zany, immature and wasteful ways.
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Could it be a case of embarrassment and sour grapes? Never real wanted to go there anyway.
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Staff is keeping tabs on him but it comes a point when you have to draw a line in the sand. He has so much talent, but I'd have no faith in him coming/or lasting here. If he did come we could see him pick up and leave two months later. Tough predicament.
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Staff is keeping tabs on him but it comes a point when you have to draw a line in the sand. He has so much talent, but I'd have no faith in him coming/or lasting here. If he did come we could see him pick up and leave two months later. Tough predicament.
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Staff is keeping tabs on him but it comes a point when you have to draw a line in the sand. He has so much talent, but I'd have no faith in him coming/or lasting here. If he did come we could see him pick up and leave two months later. Tough predicament.
If that's the case, I think you only can bring him in if you have two other decent big men already in the fold. You definitely can't have only two new bigs and have Pelle as one of them.
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Staff is keeping tabs on him but it comes a point when you have to draw a line in the sand. He has so much talent, but I'd have no faith in him coming/or lasting here. If he did come we could see him pick up and leave two months later. Tough predicament.
If that's the case, I think you only can bring him in if you have two other decent big men already in the fold. You definitely can't have only two new bigs and have Pelle as one of them.
Agree
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Dude is a headcase. Me no want.
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Fool me once shame on you.
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6'10 with freaky athleticism with extra scholarships to give....you take that chance no matter what. If he pulls a Nuri so be it but you have to swing the bat
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6'10 with freaky athleticism with extra scholarships to give....you take that chance no matter what. If he pulls a Nuri so be it but you have to swing the bat
Would tend to agree but what about the APR?
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6'10 with freaky athleticism with extra scholarships to give....you take that chance no matter what. If he pulls a Nuri so be it but you have to swing the bat
Agree because all the zaniness occurred after things didn't work out with summer classes otherwise he would have been here.
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6'10 with freaky athleticism with extra scholarships to give....you take that chance no matter what. If he pulls a Nuri so be it but you have to swing the bat
You take a chance on him once. We can't be heading into next year's BET with 6 players bec we had them to give.
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We will have this year's 6 plus several other non-risks. Taking a risk on one or two will not be a problem. It's not like this year, when the entire roster had to be replaced.
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I would take a risk on Norvel every day of the week and two times on Sunday. You just need to make sure you have a backup plan.
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I would take a risk on Norvel every day of the week and two times on Sunday. You just need to make sure you have a backup plan.
Exactly.
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I would take a risk on Norvel every day of the week and two times on Sunday. You just need to make sure you have a backup plan.
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;D#Swag!
hope Norvel team see's this reply!
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Cant teach height and athleticism
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just curious with all the problems uconn is facing with apr why would they want to take on a educational risk on pelle? I understand that teams care about talent over education to some degree but are they that confident that their big guys are all coming back, most notably the big frosh they have manning the middle? If u take a chance on pelle and let's say kids stay and leave after soph yr or even this year doesn't their apr go down even more? What good is talent if they are not gonna be able to use it for a NCAA tourney run because they are under sanctions? Is pelle looking at uconn more on him than school wanting him? Something is just not right with that recruiting philosophy especially more now with these pending sanctions against them. I guess my point is, if they don't get penalized for this last fiasco they are above the NCAA law?
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I think landing Pelle would be great. And it will make Lavin look good. We committed to him. He committed to us. He didn't qualify. We worked hard to get him qualified and it didn't work out. He decommitted, as Lavin might say a "prudent" decision given that he was clearing his head and getting back to the books. Meanwhile, STJ took a drubbing for having 3 players not qualify. Now one of them, Garrett, is with us. If Pelle comes through, it negates some of the negatives concerning him not qualifying in the first place. Same thing with Sampson, makes everybody look good that we came through the fire and got him onboard.
None of the 3 players who were deemed ineligible by the NCAA failed in their studies at STJ. They may have just gotten poor (or no) proper academic advisement on what they needed to qualify while they were jumping all over the place in high school, transferring like crazy as these top preps do these days.
It is a black eye for a school like Georgetown to have a student gain admission and then not qualify through the NCAA. The admissions standards are super high. At SJU they are not. It is part of our legacy to lift the students up, to serve the underserved, to focus on "outcomes". We take lots of chances on incoming students at SJU. The SJU students who are doing amazing things at the time of graduation these days in many cases were not stellar students coming out of high school. But they are transformed by the time they graduate.
I'd like to see Pelle here, but what I read on the internet makes me think he'll end up at UNLV. I think he was checking out Iowa State too, where Matt Abdelmassih is an assistant coach. Abdelmassih is a SJU grad and worked with the team as a student. I've heard he is a crackerjack recruiter these days.
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I just saw on an Iowa State board that Pelle postponed his visit today due to a family emergency.
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I thought it might be due to the tornadoes in the midwest. Who the hell would want to spend 4 years in Ames, IA?
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I thought it might be due to the tornadoes in the midwest. Who the hell would want to spend 4 years in Ames, IA?
Why don't you ask the 60,000 people who call it home?
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That many trapped there? Really?
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I thought it might be due to the tornadoes in the midwest. Who the hell would want to spend 4 years in Ames, IA?
Why don't you ask the 60,000 people who call it home?
Or we could ask no one, because the east coast does not hear about nor does it care about anything that happens in a useless flyover state.
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I thought it might be due to the tornadoes in the midwest. Who the hell would want to spend 4 years in Ames, IA?
Why don't you ask the 60,000 people who call it home?
Or we could ask no one, because the east coast does not hear about nor does it care about anything that happens in a useless flyover state.
As far as useless flyover states go, I hear Iowa isn't half bad. Then again, a woman from Newton, Iowa, provided me with three months of warm memories, so I may be a little biased.
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My current girlfriend is from Iowa. Never been though.
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My current girlfriend is from Iowa. Never been though.
"Current girlfriend"? You don't sound very committed. :D
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My current girlfriend is from Iowa. Never been though.
"Current girlfriend"? You don't sound very committed. :D
LOL I'm dying here!!!!
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haha. good catch. I hope she doesnt read this board!
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Last year Money Magazine had Ames as the ninth best city to live in America.
"If the people who live here get bored, they have only themselves to blame. Besides Iowa State's cultural and athletic offerings, Ames boasts 36 parks, a bustling shopping district, and a new aquatic center."
It is, in fact, a great place to live, although I'm no so sure the new aquatic center is a big inducement for bb'ers from the NYC area.
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Last year Money Magazine had Ames as the ninth best city to live in America.
"If the people who live here get bored, they have only themselves to blame. Besides Iowa State's cultural and athletic offerings, Ames boasts 36 parks, a bustling shopping district, and a new aquatic center."
It is, in fact, a great place to live, although I'm no so sure the new aquatic center is a big inducement for bb'ers from the NYC area.
In the spirit of full disclosure, I think you should let us know if you live in Iowa...
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Or we could ask no one, because the east coast does not hear about nor does it care about anything that happens in a useless flyover state.
With no hint of sarcasm in your post.. This is probably one of the more ignorant statements I have ever read on this board. As an American I care about and worry about things that happen every where in the country.
Do you think the people of Iowa were saying "who cares what happens to the people in New York" after 9/11.?
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PMG, I agree completely. There are a few things to remember about Poison.
1. If you committ to St. john's and don't end up showing up, he pulls a Regina George from Mean Girls on you, no matter the reason (his hatred for Jakar, Norvel, etc.).
2. If you are from New York but don't want to stay home for college, he considers you a eunoch (his hatred for Sylven, Lance, etc.).
3. When he goes to church, he prays: "Our Boeheim, who art in Syracuse, hallowed be thy name....".
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Last year Money Magazine had Ames as the ninth best city to live in America.
"If the people who live here get bored, they have only themselves to blame. Besides Iowa State's cultural and athletic offerings, Ames boasts 36 parks, a bustling shopping district, and a new aquatic center."
It is, in fact, a great place to live, although I'm no so sure the new aquatic center is a big inducement for bb'ers from the NYC area.
In the spirit of full disclosure, I think you should let us know if you live in Iowa...
LJSA, despite my overalls and that stick of straw in my mouth, I'm pure NYC, born, bred, and SJU educated.
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Or we could ask no one, because the east coast does not hear about nor does it care about anything that happens in a useless flyover state.
With no hint of sarcasm in your post.. This is probably one of the more ignorant statements I have ever read on this board. As an American I care about and worry about things that happen every where in the country.
Do you think the people of Iowa were saying "who cares what happens to the people in New York" after 9/11.?
You're pretty thick.
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PMG, I agree completely. There are a few things to remember about Poison.
1. If you committ to St. john's and don't end up showing up, he pulls a Regina George from Mean Girls on you, no matter the reason (his hatred for Jakar, Norvel, etc.).
2. If you are from New York but don't want to stay home for college, he considers you a eunoch (his hatred for Sylven, Lance, etc.).
3. When he goes to church, he prays: "Our Boeheim, who art in Syracuse, hallowed be thy name....".
Kid, that's ridiculous. I don't go to church.
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PMG, I agree completely. There are a few things to remember about Poison.
1. If you committ to St. john's and don't end up showing up, he pulls a Regina George from Mean Girls on you, no matter the reason (his hatred for Jakar, Norvel, etc.).
2. If you are from New York but don't want to stay home for college, he considers you a eunoch (his hatred for Sylven, Lance, etc.).
3. When he goes to church, he prays: "Our Boeheim, who art in Syracuse, hallowed be thy name....".
Kid, that's ridiculous. I don't go to church.
Were you excommunicated? :)
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PMG, I agree completely. There are a few things to remember about Poison.
1. If you committ to St. john's and don't end up showing up, he pulls a Regina George from Mean Girls on you, no matter the reason (his hatred for Jakar, Norvel, etc.).
2. If you are from New York but don't want to stay home for college, he considers you a eunoch (his hatred for Sylven, Lance, etc.).
3. When he goes to church, he prays: "Our Boeheim, who art in Syracuse, hallowed be thy name....".
Kid, that's ridiculous. I don't go to church.
Were you excommunicated? :)
"Why can't I worship God in my own way? Praying like hell on my death bed?" -Homer Simpson
In all seriousness, St.John's is God's least favorite sports team next to the Cubs and Lions.
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Just when I never thought I'd see a Mean Girls reference on JJ...
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Well played, Poison.
0404 --- I did not watch Mean Girls of my own volition --- the first time I saw it --- but I'll admit, I thought it was pretty damn hilarious. I am not embarassed to admit that.
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You're pretty thick.
Definitely in the waist and thighs but not upstairs like you my friend.
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NealNieves Former St Johns commit Norvel Pelle Recruitment takes another twist bit.ly/yc49Y8 (CP Premium)
If anyone can tell us what the twist is it would be appreciated
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0404 --- I did not watch Mean Girls of my own volition --- the first time I saw it --- but I'll admit, I thought it was pretty damn hilarious. I am not embarassed to admit that.
;D ;D Same here, man. Same here. 100%.
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NealNieves Former St Johns commit Norvel Pelle Recruitment takes another twist bit.ly/yc49Y8 (CP Premium)
If anyone can tell us what the twist is it would be appreciated
I didn't read it myself, but I found another link to it that summarized what he said...
According to Neal Nieves' recruiting mailbag today, SDSU and UNLV are no longer pursuing Pelle. Looks like its LSU, Iowa St, UConn, Washington, UTEP, and New Mexico chasing him now.
And he may not qualify anyway. (Surprise surprise)
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Norvel is a good natured kid who just needs to get his priorities in order. Wish he would have come to St Johns. It would have been good for him to mature as an individual.
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So did he graduate high school, but not qualify for athletic participation?
If he actually graduated high school, he should have just went juco instead of wasting a year if he indeed still does not qualify after his postgrad year.
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This is sounding like another Nuri situation
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
NCAA requirements? Does that matter at UConn?
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
That's right. The NCAA does not regulate a specific school's admissions nor can they. Any school can admit anyone or anything they like, doesn't mean the NCAA will allow them eligibility.
And was told there is little chance he qualifies. Wish him well and move on.
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
NCAA requirements? Does that matter at UConn?
IMO no it doesnt up there.
But yes it does.
Provided he made up the ground he needed to on NCAA levels he would be fine anywhere he wants to go.
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
NCAA requirements? Does that matter at UConn?
IMO no it doesnt up there.
But yes it does.
Provided he made up the ground he needed to on NCAA levels he would be fine anywhere he wants to go.
Lavin should bring this kid in, hire Ruland as his personal trainer ;)
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
If he was accepted to SJU, then what was the problem?
I am assuming SJU's admissions requirements are higher than public schools (i.e. UCONN, Wash., etc.).
I'm familiar with sliding scales, core GPA averages, etc., and how that influences one's chances of being accepted into school. But, I am not well versed on the specifics regarding Pelle.
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
If he was accepted to SJU, then what was the problem?
I am assuming SJU's admissions requirements are higher than public schools (i.e. UCONN, Wash., etc.).
I'm familiar with sliding scales, core GPA averages, etc., and how that influences one's chances of being accepted into school. But, I am not well versed on the specifics regarding Pelle.
The problem was he didn't meet NCAA requirements. He was accepted into STJ. Someone here mentioned this example. A 4.0 HS student can be accepted to Harvard but if he didnt take and pass an NCAA required class at a certain level he will not be eligible to play.
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
If he was accepted to SJU, then what was the problem?
I am assuming SJU's admissions requirements are higher than public schools (i.e. UCONN, Wash., etc.).
I'm familiar with sliding scales, core GPA averages, etc., and how that influences one's chances of being accepted into school. But, I am not well versed on the specifics regarding Pelle.
The problem was he didn't meet NCAA requirements. He was accepted into STJ. Someone here mentioned this example. A 4.0 HS student can be accepted to Harvard but if he didnt take and pass an NCAA required class at a certain level he will not be eligible to play.
How the hell did Lance Stephenson get eligible? Supposedly, my shower curtain was smarter
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
If he was accepted to SJU, then what was the problem?
I am assuming SJU's admissions requirements are higher than public schools (i.e. UCONN, Wash., etc.).
I'm familiar with sliding scales, core GPA averages, etc., and how that influences one's chances of being accepted into school. But, I am not well versed on the specifics regarding Pelle.
For the record neither JaKarr nor Norvel ever enrolled at SJU so whether they were admitted is a moot point. Think about it this way, what is to stop St. John's from admitting a monkey? Absolutely nothing.
The NCAA does not have anything to do with a school's admissions policy. If for example Norvel enrolled at SJU and then was declared ineligible to play he could still theoretically attend SJU and go to class and get his degree. The NCAA cannot stop that. The problem of course is that these kids are going to these schools for 1 major reason, and that is to play high major sports. Thus ultimately when the NCAA fails to clear them it is the equivalent of the school not clearing him because obviously the only real reason that school wants him is because he can play a sport.
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
If he was accepted to SJU, then what was the problem?
I am assuming SJU's admissions requirements are higher than public schools (i.e. UCONN, Wash., etc.).
I'm familiar with sliding scales, core GPA averages, etc., and how that influences one's chances of being accepted into school. But, I am not well versed on the specifics regarding Pelle.
For the record neither JaKarr nor Norvel ever enrolled at SJU so whether they were admitted is a moot point. Think about it this way, what is to stop St. John's from admitting a monkey? Absolutely nothing.
The NCAA does not have anything to do with a school's admissions policy. If for example Norvel enrolled at SJU and then was declared ineligible to play he could still theoretically attend SJU and go to class and get his degree. The NCAA cannot stop that. The problem of course is that these kids are going to these schools for 1 major reason, and that is to play high major sports. Thus ultimately when the NCAA fails to clear them it is the equivalent of the school not clearing him because obviously the only real reason that school wants him is because he can play a sport.
Once enrolled in college is there a way for these players to become NCAA eligible? I mean theoretically can they finish their unmet requirements at the college level rather than go back to prep?
Because I feel like I've heard of many other school's freshmen being ineligible, but the kid still enrolls there and becomes eligible in the spring or the next year. Is that an option for players like Norvel, Jakarr etc
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Get your head together,hit the books,come to SJU and youll be part of a family making history.
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
If he was accepted to SJU, then what was the problem?
I am assuming SJU's admissions requirements are higher than public schools (i.e. UCONN, Wash., etc.).
I'm familiar with sliding scales, core GPA averages, etc., and how that influences one's chances of being accepted into school. But, I am not well versed on the specifics regarding Pelle.
The problem was he didn't meet NCAA requirements. He was accepted into STJ. Someone here mentioned this example. A 4.0 HS student can be accepted to Harvard but if he didnt take and pass an NCAA required class at a certain level he will not be eligible to play.
Then SJU has to tighten up its admissions. They should be in alignment with the NCAA standards, especially when recruiting a D1 caliber athlete.
Side Note: As a University of Miami football fan, I am well aware of the NCAAs sliding scale, clearinghouse, etc. Every year recruits are not accepted to UM because the NCAA holds them up, or the player did not have the grades to get into UM. Every season this happens.
The difference between football and basketball is football classes are anywhere from 20-25 deep, whereas a basketball class ranges from 2-4 per season (generally speaking). I just don't understand how schools constantly can't get it right. More checks and balances need to be established, because seasons can be ruined by the outcome (i.e. SJU 2012).
Thanks for the feedback.
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
If he was accepted to SJU, then what was the problem?
I am assuming SJU's admissions requirements are higher than public schools (i.e. UCONN, Wash., etc.).
I'm familiar with sliding scales, core GPA averages, etc., and how that influences one's chances of being accepted into school. But, I am not well versed on the specifics regarding Pelle.
The problem was he didn't meet NCAA requirements. He was accepted into STJ. Someone here mentioned this example. A 4.0 HS student can be accepted to Harvard but if he didnt take and pass an NCAA required class at a certain level he will not be eligible to play.
Then SJU has to tighten up its admissions. They should be in alignment with the NCAA standards, especially when recruiting a D1 caliber athlete.
Side Note: As a University of Miami football fan, I am well aware of the NCAAs sliding scale, clearinghouse, etc. Every year recruits are not accepted to UM because the NCAA holds them up, or the player did not have the grades to get into UM. Every season this happens.
The difference between football and basketball is football classes are anywhere from 20-25 deep, whereas a basketball class ranges from 2-4 per season (generally speaking). I just don't understand how schools constantly can't get it right. More checks and balances need to be established, because seasons can be ruined by the outcome (i.e. SJU 2012).
Thanks for the feedback.
Miami has tighter admission standards than STJ to begin with. STJ admissions are fine. We don't know Pelle's specific academic issues all we know is he didn't meet NCAA marks. He could have solid grades all around but was missing a class or didn't score well enough on boards.
Not sure if you recall some posts I made early in the year when this was going down. 3 kids out of 9 is 33% of the class not initially making it. With Amir finally coming on board 22% of the class didn't make it. Some schools like Lville and Kansas had 50% and 75% of its class not make it. The problem is we had just one marginal player coming back whereas these other schools had 4-5 man classes with returning players already on board.
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So he can be eligible to play at Uconn and Washington but not SJ???
He can be. It depends on SJ's admissions policies. Unlike UCONN and Wash., SJ is a private school. This can be a reason why this is possible.
He was accepted to STJ. Its not a matter of being accepted.
Its a matter of meeting NCAA requirements.
If he was accepted to SJU, then what was the problem?
I am assuming SJU's admissions requirements are higher than public schools (i.e. UCONN, Wash., etc.).
I'm familiar with sliding scales, core GPA averages, etc., and how that influences one's chances of being accepted into school. But, I am not well versed on the specifics regarding Pelle.
For the record neither JaKarr nor Norvel ever enrolled at SJU so whether they were admitted is a moot point. Think about it this way, what is to stop St. John's from admitting a monkey? Absolutely nothing.
The NCAA does not have anything to do with a school's admissions policy. If for example Norvel enrolled at SJU and then was declared ineligible to play he could still theoretically attend SJU and go to class and get his degree. The NCAA cannot stop that. The problem of course is that these kids are going to these schools for 1 major reason, and that is to play high major sports. Thus ultimately when the NCAA fails to clear them it is the equivalent of the school not clearing him because obviously the only real reason that school wants him is because he can play a sport.
Once enrolled in college is there a way for these players to become NCAA eligible? I mean theoretically can they finish their unmet requirements at the college level rather than go back to prep?
Because I feel like I've heard of many other school's freshmen being ineligible, but the kid still enrolls there and becomes eligible in the spring or the next year. Is that an option for players like Norvel, Jakarr etc
Not in the Big East. That was the issue.
And again a school may admit a kid because THEY accept his transcripts, board scores etc. And they reviewed it and they think he meets NCAA requirements. But keep in mind the NCAA could invalidate a class or test score they think is a bit fishy. So it is not even that the kid couldn't qualify, it is that the NCAA did not accept certain things that the school accepted that would have qualified him under normal circumstances.
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I would like to hear about how Rob Thomas is doing? Anyone know?
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I would like to hear about how Rob Thomas is doing? Anyone know?
Last I heard he was in Russia playing ball.
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I would like to hear about how Rob Thomas is doing? Anyone know?
create a new thread
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Pelle has the whole year plus the summer to get his academics in order.. He doesnt seem stupid. You cant blame the guidence councelers or coaches. By now he knows the courses he needs to take and if he doesnt qualify, he only has himself to blame. It would be a shame because he is such a great talent with such high potential.
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Memory Lane!
“@NealNieves: Sdsu Head coach Steve Fisher is watching Norvel Pelle.”
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Norvel is the Dick Clark of high school basketball
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Norvel is the Dick Clark of high school basketball
Too soon
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Do not see him qualifying, but interesting to see Rhode Island in discussion. Hurley boys on road to success IMO.
“@AdamZagoria: Norvel Pelle Still on the Board http://t.co/RfPqmCQv (http://t.co/RfPqmCQv) @damn_Norvel @ramborasheed”
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No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!
“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”
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No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!
“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”
in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.
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No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!
“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”
in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.
Outstanding point! I really believe the unsupervised use of i-pods/pads/phones and the like and interactive online computer games are making this generation of kids super-inept at basic social skills.
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No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!
“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”
in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.
Interesting point Chille. Having worked in the developmental disabilities field for 30 + years, I am sensitive to such issues. In Norvel's case, however, IMO, academics aside, he does not seem to be dedicated
to working on his BBall development. He is probably a great kid, but I fear the parade will pass him by. Hope I am wrong.
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No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!
“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”
in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.
Outstanding point! I really believe the unsupervised use of i-pods/pads/phones and the like and interactive online computer games are making this generation of kids super-inept at basic social skills.
exactly
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No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!
“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”
in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.
Interesting point Chille. Having worked in the developmental disabilities field for 30 + years, I am sensitive to such issues. In Norvel's case, however, IMO, academics aside, he does not seem to be dedicated
to working on his BBall development. He is probably a great kid, but I fear the parade will pass him by. Hope I am wrong.
its mind boggling that after a full year to get everything in order it still isnt enough for some of these kids.. shaking my head.
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No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!
“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”
in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.
Interesting point Chille. Having worked in the developmental disabilities field for 30 + years, I am sensitive to such issues. In Norvel's case, however, IMO, academics aside, he does not seem to be dedicated
to working on his BBall development. He is probably a great kid, but I fear the parade will pass him by. Hope I am wrong.
its mind boggling that after a full year to get everything in order it still isnt enough for some of these kids.. shaking my head.
Unbelievable right. I mean do you know how bad a student or lazy or completely disinterested in academics you have to be to be more than 1 year removed from your senior year and still are not qualified to play college ball?????
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When I was there, (EdD '97) STJ Grad School of ED a major force in Learning Styles led by Professor Rita Dunn, looked at multiple factors impacting learning. Almost all academic technology is visual/auditory but the real pioneering stuff is in simulators and games which is starting to teach muscle memory and kinesthetics. Major problem in Windows is that learned movements are visual context dependent (the same movement means different things in different programs).
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Geez can this kid ever get his gardes together
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No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!
“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”
in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.
Interesting point Chille. Having worked in the developmental disabilities field for 30 + years, I am sensitive to such issues. In Norvel's case, however, IMO, academics aside, he does not seem to be dedicated
to working on his BBall development. He is probably a great kid, but I fear the parade will pass him by. Hope I am wrong.
its mind boggling that after a full year to get everything in order it still isnt enough for some of these kids.. shaking my head.
Unbelievable right. I mean do you know how bad a student or lazy or completely disinterested in academics you have to be to be more than 1 year removed from your senior year and still are not qualified to play college ball? ??? ?
Well, we get to witness this train wreck that is about to happen but will soon end as it continues careening down the tracks. Norvel is playing AAU ball close to home as we know from the SNY piece posted on zags, but the distrubing part is his AAU coach is trying to help him qualify with online courses, making sure "things are done right." Huh? - Things done right? That is ridiculous. I am beside myself. I cannot fathom how the 2A will allow this to pass as a qualifying standard. What am I missing? What kind of hair brained advice is Norvel currently receiving? will that strategy actually work? I say no.
BTW, the talk of social media, constant cell phone use, etc, in today's ever fast-paced world is leading to brain fatigue, and it's speculated its hypothesized by researchers that our brains may eventually evolve to handle this constant bombardment of stimulation. From my simplistic view, it seems to make sense. But a lot of headaches will occur on the way to that place!
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No surprise! Rise Academy Part 2!
“@AdamZagoria: Former #stjbb commit Norvel Pelle, whom I profiled this week, won't be cleared academically until at least August, sources told @SNYtv”
in all honesty and respect i truly believe that in this new age and generation a lot more kids may be developing learning disabilities in certain areas due to the increase in technology and the decrease of hands on do it yourself interaction. As much as social media and instant gratification outlets might make life a lot easier the reciprocal of that is the perpetual dumming down of our youth as well as society.
Interesting point Chille. Having worked in the developmental disabilities field for 30 + years, I am sensitive to such issues. In Norvel's case, however, IMO, academics aside, he does not seem to be dedicated
to working on his BBall development. He is probably a great kid, but I fear the parade will pass him by. Hope I am wrong.
its mind boggling that after a full year to get everything in order it still isnt enough for some of these kids.. shaking my head.
Unbelievable right. I mean do you know how bad a student or lazy or completely disinterested in academics you have to be to be more than 1 year removed from your senior year and still are not qualified to play college ball?????
He wasn't that far from being qualified when he was deemed inelgible by NCAA, I can't believe that he is not there with the half a year spent at Phelps and now doing these online classes. Pelle should find the best Juco he can find and get on with it.
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Bad decision making and poor mentorship for this young man has cost him dearly. It is a shame.
Garrett and Sampson deserve a ton of credit for working through their academic issues to qualify and remaining determined to make a go of things at SJU. I have a lot of respect for Lavin too for working through the challenges when they didn't qualify. He stuck by them and saw them through. What an excellent leader and quality person. As I have said before, this is the SJU way, focusing on "outcomes" and being student-centered.
Having said all of the above, if Pelle were to make it to SJU he would get a ton of support and there is no doubt in my mind that he would be a huge success in the classroom.
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Another kid wandering around and squandering talent and potential! Official visit??
“@UnderTheEl: RT @RunninRams3 After having "really good" visit to NMST this past week. '12 CA C Norvel Pelle will be taking his next official to DePaul”
Article referenced below outlines his academic deficiencies. IMO, JUCOnawaits.
“@ECoastBias: @seedeez27 @FoxberryJam Also on Pelle as an academic risk, from the San Diego paper: http://t.co/lqpzt2mu (http://t.co/lqpzt2mu)”
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Saw this conversation on Pelles twitter from a couple of days ago. I may be wrong but It looks like he visited Depaul. On my blackberry so I may be reading it wrong.
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He did visit DP this week, still does not have grades from what I gather.
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Seems odd unless its an unofficial visit. If its official, why would Depaul waste an official on someone that everyone says has no shot of qualifying. No skin off Norvels back because he is getting a free trip to Chicago. Or is Depaul just trying to get in with him with hopes of getting him out of JUCO in 2 years? Just curious.
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Seems odd unless its an unofficial visit. If its official, why would Depaul waste an official on someone that everyone says has no shot of qualifying. No skin off Norvels back because he is getting a free trip to Chicago. Or is Depaul just trying to get in with him with hopes of getting him out of JUCO in 2 years? Just curious.
Who knows w Norvel? Hopefully the saga has a good ending!
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Seems odd unless its an unofficial visit. If its official, why would Depaul waste an official on someone that everyone says has no shot of qualifying. No skin off Norvels back because he is getting a free trip to Chicago. Or is Depaul just trying to get in with him with hopes of getting him out of JUCO in 2 years? Just curious.
Who knows w Norvel? Hopefully the saga has a good ending!
Looking more and more like the 2 year wandering in the desert trying to get qualified journey of former Lavin recruit and St. Anthony's center Josh Moore. I believe St. Johns was even in on that particular recruitment. Michigan finally found a way to get him past admissions, but his college career only lasted 1 season and part of another - 29 games total. He averaged 4.5 pts and 2.5 rebs. He was dismissed from the team after 3 games of his soph season.
Hope Norvel fares better....
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A free trip to Chi Town. Italian beef, steak, hot dogs, deep dish pizza, blues, clean sidewalks and nice weather. I'd go.
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A free trip to Chi Town. Italian beef, steak, hot dogs, deep dish pizza, blues, clean sidewalks and nice weather. I'd go.
A place outside NYC that Poison respects! By my count, that makes . . . one. ;D
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Looks like he will be eligible for 2012.
2012 Norvel Pelle tells @TheLoboLair that he plans to be eligible for 2012; has visited both New Mexico State & DePaul (1 of 2)
(2 of 2) Pelle says he is hearing from most from Memphis, Missouri, UConn, UTEP, Florida St & New Mexico. Mizzou may see 1 of final 3 visits
http://recruitlists.com/news/ (http://recruitlists.com/news/)
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Looks like he will be eligible for 2012.
2012 Norvel Pelle tells @TheLoboLair that he plans to be eligible for 2012; has visited both New Mexico State & DePaul (1 of 2)
(2 of 2) Pelle says he is hearing from most from Memphis, Missouri, UConn, UTEP, Florida St & New Mexico. Mizzou may see 1 of final 3 visits
http://recruitlists.com/news/ (http://recruitlists.com/news/)
To be fair.
He 'planned' to be eligible in 2011 also. We know that worked out well.
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good point.
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A free trip to Chi Town. Italian beef, steak, hot dogs, deep dish pizza, blues, clean sidewalks and nice weather. I'd go.
A place outside NYC that Poison respects! By my count, that makes . . . one. ;D
I respect Chicago. Depaul would recruit better than they do, but they play in the middle of nowhere. Near the airport. No one cares. Like us, they've had bad luck with top rated talent either not panning out or leaving early, yet for them, the coaching carousel is still spinning on the north side. I still can't figure out why they are in the BE.
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Looks like he will be eligible for 2012.
2012 Norvel Pelle tells @TheLoboLair that he plans to be eligible for 2012; has visited both New Mexico State & DePaul (1 of 2)
(2 of 2) Pelle says he is hearing from most from Memphis, Missouri, UConn, UTEP, Florida St & New Mexico. Mizzou may see 1 of final 3 visits
http://recruitlists.com/news/ (http://recruitlists.com/news/)
Would really prefer not to see Pelle go to Storrs.
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Looks like he will be eligible for 2012.
2012 Norvel Pelle tells @TheLoboLair that he plans to be eligible for 2012; has visited both New Mexico State & DePaul (1 of 2)
(2 of 2) Pelle says he is hearing from most from Memphis, Missouri, UConn, UTEP, Florida St & New Mexico. Mizzou may see 1 of final 3 visits
http://recruitlists.com/news/ (http://recruitlists.com/news/)
Would really prefer not to see Pelle go to Storrs.
Based on their academic situation with APR I don't think they can afford to have that risk.
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Looks like he will be eligible for 2012.
2012 Norvel Pelle tells @TheLoboLair that he plans to be eligible for 2012; has visited both New Mexico State & DePaul (1 of 2)
(2 of 2) Pelle says he is hearing from most from Memphis, Missouri, UConn, UTEP, Florida St & New Mexico. Mizzou may see 1 of final 3 visits
http://recruitlists.com/news/ (http://recruitlists.com/news/)
Would really prefer not to see Pelle go to Storrs.
Based on their academic situation with APR I don't think they can afford to have that risk.
Pelle might be the smartest guy on that team :)
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Imagine what phillip nolan is thinking right now! :'( LOL :2funny:
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Whats the latest w him? It is July and still no word. JC?
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Whats the latest w him? It is July and still no word. JC?
Down to Harvard, Yale and University of Pluto! What a waste of talent!
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http://welcome2cali.com/news/we-found-the-next-kevin-durant-and-hes-from-california/ (http://welcome2cali.com/news/we-found-the-next-kevin-durant-and-hes-from-california/)
Hes actually doing something. Say's he's been working out with Artest.
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Sweet. A 6'10" guard.
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SMH
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if lav went after him we'd get him. especially with Pelle's good friends Amir and JKS on the team. pelle seems to have the physical tools, but not sure of mindset.
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Looks great in the clips too bad he is total headcase..!!
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if lav went after him we'd get him. especially with Pelle's good friends Amir and JKS on the team. pelle seems to have the physical tools, but not sure of mindset.
He had his chances to be here. When the wind changes direction he will lose interest/focus again.
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Hopefully things work out for the kid. Shame if he wasted all of that talent.
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Any 6'10" skinny brother can look like KD in an empty gym wit a good video editor.
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Any 6'10" skinny brother can look like KD in an empty gym and a good video editor.
Well put.
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Hells man, a 5'10" skinny brother can look like KD in an empty gym wit very creative video editor.
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Hells man, a 5'10" skinny brother can look like KD in an empty gym wit very creative video editor.
Wish I didn't have the sinking feeling Novel Pelle is going to be one of those guys we post "Whatever happend to...." questions a few years from now. Sani Ibrahim redux....
Also wish in addition to saying he was taking 1,000 shots, he'd said something like "I'm spending 3-4 hours a day cracking the books so I can be eligible to actually play this game"....
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Honestly, I would still take him and Chandler and see who sticks :P
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Recent article. Look at the 7 schools that he says are showing the most interest. That should tell you the issues he has:
Asked to list schools in which he is interested, Norvel Pelle provided the following : San Diego State, New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTEP, DePaul, Rhode Island, and Iona.
http://socalrecruitspot.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/norvel-pelle-profile/ (http://socalrecruitspot.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/norvel-pelle-profile/)
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Recent article. Look at the 7 schools that he says are showing the most interest. That should tell you the issues he has:
Asked to list schools in which he is interested, Norvel Pelle provided the following : San Diego State, New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTEP, DePaul, Rhode Island, and Iona.
http://socalrecruitspot.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/norvel-pelle-profile/ (http://socalrecruitspot.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/norvel-pelle-profile/)
Iona
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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He'll ya. Bring it baby. Take this guy in a heartbeat
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He'll ya. Bring it baby. Take this guy in a heartbeat
He'll never survive at Iona.
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2012 or 13 class?
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2012 or 13 class?
2019 maybe. :)
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+200%
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Recent article. Look at the 7 schools that he says are showing the most interest. That should tell you the issues he has:
Asked to list schools in which he is interested, Norvel Pelle provided the following : San Diego State, New Mexico, New Mexico State, UTEP, DePaul, Rhode Island, and Iona.
http://socalrecruitspot.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/norvel-pelle-profile/ (http://socalrecruitspot.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/norvel-pelle-profile/)
Iona
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Maybe he's confusing it with Iowa.
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Oh baby. All I'm gonna say
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Oh baby. All I'm gonna say
I would be shocked if he even ended up at a JuCo, thats all I can say LOL
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Oh baby. All I'm gonna say
Dean Wormer, Baldi & Norvel spotted at the Dirty Spoon Diner in New Rochelle.
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Oh baby. All I'm gonna say
I would be shocked if he even ended up at a JuCo, thats all I can say LOL
A chance worth taking at MAAC level imo
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Oh baby. All I'm gonna say
Dean Wormer, Baldi & Norvel spotted at the Dirty Spoon Diner in New Rochelle.
1 of the 3 might be correct
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Baldi
You ever eat at Smokehouse Grill when visiting your old stomping grounds? My buddy owns the place.
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Moose, I eat there a good amount. Great Chili! The place looks a lot better than it used to. Any names to drop for a discount haha?
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Moose, I eat there a good amount. Great Chili! The place looks a lot better than it used to. Any names to drop for a discount haha?
Forgot what it was called back in the day but it was a crap hole. He bought it and fixed it up nice. His name is Mike. I went to HS with him. Just say you went to Blind Brook HS and he will probably give you a deal haha
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He's going to wind up at Auburn
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He's going to wind up at Auburn
For about two weeks till he gets board and can't find any places to eat.
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He's going to wind up at Auburn
Makes sense.
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He's going to wind up at Auburn
Makes sense.
yeah awbarn has plenty of money after Scam newton signed his NFL contract and told his father to pay back the $180,000 they paid for him.
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He's going to wind up at Auburn
Makes sense.
What's the connection?
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He's going to wind up at Auburn
Makes sense.
What's the connection?
Astronomy Program!
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The funny thing about all these posts, NO ONE has any idea what is going on with the kid.
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The funny thing about all these posts, NO ONE has any idea what is going on with the kid.
Sadly least of all, himself.
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He's going to wind up at Auburn
Makes sense.
What's the connection?
Desperate SEC basketball program.
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He's going to wind up at
Makes sense.
What's the connection?
Desperate SEC basketball program.
Prov. and Auburn lead league in striking out on recruits!
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Depaul or Iona per Rothstein
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Iona picked up a commitment from 2012 PF Norvel Pelle of California, according to @JonRothstein.
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Baldi should be happy.
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what has he done in the last 12 months to qualify? Going there and being eligble are two different things.
They may use the Canadian exemption they used to bring in hockey players in the 1960's ;)
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Posted in Iona thread from source close to Iona. "pretty good chance" he'll be eligible
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If he qualifies, I will attend a few games. Manhattan matchups should be fun. I will get heat for saying this, but wish we were playing Iona, would be a fun game. I am aware of all the "what's the gain" arguments, but just for good hoops, why not! Moot point however!
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I'd bet a lot he won't be eligible. Great get for Iona though.
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I'd bet a lot he won't be eligible. Great get for Iona though.
Yes, but did Iona really need another SF, even if he IS the "Next Kevin Durant" (self-styled, of course).... :)
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Congrats baldi he is very talented
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I don't care what Norvel's handler or brother is telling people... he's not a sf. The kid has ridiculous shot blocking and rebounding abilities... that's what made him a prized recruit. I've never heard anybody comment on his ball handling or shooting till he started making videos of himself in an empty gym.
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It looked like Zags and Nieves were going back and forth a little on twitter. Apparently the handler is claiming to Zags that he and Pelle have the same mother, but Nieves is telling Zags that it was crap and Zags doesn't like to be told he's wrong.
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I don't care what Norvel's handler or brother is telling people... he's not a sf. The kid has ridiculous shot blocking and rebounding abilities... that's what made him a prized recruit. I've never heard anybody comment on his ball handling or shooting till he started making videos of himself in an empty gym.
He is a defensive player who can run the floor. I actually think he is awkward on the offensive end except for running the break.
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I would be stunned if he actually made it to campus. If so, good pickup for Iona.
Moose, I eat there a good amount. Great Chili! The place looks a lot better than it used to. Any names to drop for a discount haha?
Forgot what it was called back in the day but it was a crap hole. He bought it and fixed it up nice. His name is Mike. I went to HS with him. Just say you went to Blind Brook HS and he will probably give you a deal haha
Moose: Thought you grew up in Port Chester... What is the name of the place?
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I would be stunned if he actually made it to campus. If so, good pickup for Iona.
Moose, I eat there a good amount. Great Chili! The place looks a lot better than it used to. Any names to drop for a discount haha?
Forgot what it was called back in the day but it was a crap hole. He bought it and fixed it up nice. His name is Mike. I went to HS with him. Just say you went to Blind Brook HS and he will probably give you a deal haha
Moose: Thought you grew up in Port Chester... What is the name of the place?
I did but didn't go to PC schools
Smokehouse Tailgate Grill
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Definitely better off.
Thanks for the name of that place. Gonna give it a shot.
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Wow the eagle has finally landed. Going to be intersting to see how this goes. This kid has mad talent around the rim.
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I still don't get what he has done in one year to get him eligible? if someone could explain that it would be appreciated.
I know the Irish Christian brothers as an order that promotes academics; I hope this has not changed as Iona becomes "secular".
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I still don't get what he has done in one year to get him eligible? if someone could explain that it would be appreciated.
Tweeted
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I still don't get what he has done in one year to get him eligible? if someone could explain that it would be appreciated.
Tweeted
In a foreign language.
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Alot of haters here
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Alot of haters here
What did you expect?
* By the way what HS will it announce him from? Phelps? @damn_norvel or whatever his Twitter name is? Still don't know what his last 'school' was.
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Get back to us after the first semester.
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Alot of haters here
What did you expect?
* By the way what HS will it announce him from? Phelps? @damn_norvel or whatever his Twitter name is? Still don't know what his last 'school' was.
Apex Tech Online School
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No one hates you Marco
It is just a strong dislike! ::)
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Alot of haters here
A lot of realists.
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Alot of haters here
I wish I had the energy to attempt to compile a Baldi greatest hits list when it came to Pelle last year. I can't imagine you didn't have some nasty stuff in there.
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Alot of haters here
I wish I had the energy to attempt to compile a Baldi greatest hits list when it came to Pelle last year. I can't imagine you didn't have some nasty stuff in there.
If you can believe, I said he was the most important recruit in that class. I kid you not
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Alot of haters here
You made us what we are...
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Fwiw, Pelle has boatloads of natural talent. I just don't think he'll ever have the common sense nor work ethic to get it done. He's still pushing himself as a guard/wing player instead of what he is. I don't get the feeling the he'll ever be receptive to the type of coaching that can put him in position to succeed. A kid that reminds me of this is James Felton. Felton was one of the most talented kids around. More talented overall than Elton Brand in that class, but nowhere near the drive nor smarts. Sad that the kid imploded and I hope Pelle doesn't follow that extreme, but I see some similar traits.
Pelle should be working on his strength and post moves after first and foremost his grades. I'm still skeptical whether he makes it to Iona and further that he stays in school. He's an awesome athlete and certainly has tools. So did Lenny Cooke. We'll see what he does with it...
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Fwiw, Pelle has boatloads of natural talent. I just don't think he'll ever have the common sense nor work ethic to get it done. He's still pushing himself as a guard/wing player instead of what he is. I don't get the feeling the he'll ever be receptive to the type of coaching that can put him in position to succeed. A kid that reminds me of this is James Felton. Felton was one of the most talented kids around. More talented overall than Elton Brand in that class, but nowhere near the drive nor smarts. Sad that the kid imploded and I hope Pelle doesn't follow that extreme, but I see some similar traits.
Pelle should be working on his strength and post moves after first and foremost his grades. I'm still skeptical whether he makes it to Iona and further that he stays in school. He's an awesome athlete and certainly has tools. So did Lenny Cooke. We'll see what he does with it...
So did Mike Glover. Staff found a way with him
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Fwiw, Pelle has boatloads of natural talent. I just don't think he'll ever have the common sense nor work ethic to get it done. He's still pushing himself as a guard/wing player instead of what he is. I don't get the feeling the he'll ever be receptive to the type of coaching that can put him in position to succeed. A kid that reminds me of this is James Felton. Felton was one of the most talented kids around. More talented overall than Elton Brand in that class, but nowhere near the drive nor smarts. Sad that the kid imploded and I hope Pelle doesn't follow that extreme, but I see some similar traits.
Pelle should be working on his strength and post moves after first and foremost his grades. I'm still skeptical whether he makes it to Iona and further that he stays in school. He's an awesome athlete and certainly has tools. So did Lenny Cooke. We'll see what he does with it...
So did Mike Glover. Staff found a way with him
There is zero comparison between Mike Glover and Pelle. Not an iota. Glover's issue was grades and school. Mike Glover is a warrior on the court like his brother Anthony. Mike Glover has 100 times the work ethic on the court that Pelle has and has never fancied itself anything other than the tweener forward he was. Staff didn't do anthiny to Mike Glover except get him admitted. He was always a gamer with an exceptional motor on the court.
When I say that Pelle has tools, I mean raw athleticism and natural ability. He has never had the motor to make him the dominant player he could be. I hope he accepts the direction of Cluess and staff and sincerely hope this move to Iona is the start of an upward trajectory. Id love to see him succeed.
The fact that he and Rambo Rasheed are making commentary that he's a guard and likening him to Durant and Kg don't lend themselves to us to believing that he has his head screwed on straight. I hope I'm wrong.
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He was a highly-touted recruit who failed to qualify, and then didn't take the steps that others did to ensure that he ended up at SJU (or express the same desire that Amir or, to a lesser extent, even Jakar did before re-committing). And you are surprised with the negative commentary when he goes elsewhere? Even though St. John's cut ties, we all wanted him here and were disappointed that it didn't happen...
As far as the comments about his eligibility, I think people would have expressed those concerns wherever he committed.
None of that changes that he was well worth the gamble for your squad, Baldi. If I were you, my only concern is that the team chemistry will be thrown off by too many players trying to get theirs, since there are so many new faces and transfers.
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Fwiw, Pelle has boatloads of natural talent. I just don't think he'll ever have the common sense nor work ethic to get it done. He's still pushing himself as a guard/wing player instead of what he is. I don't get the feeling the he'll ever be receptive to the type of coaching that can put him in position to succeed. A kid that reminds me of this is James Felton. Felton was one of the most talented kids around. More talented overall than Elton Brand in that class, but nowhere near the drive nor smarts. Sad that the kid imploded and I hope Pelle doesn't follow that extreme, but I see some similar traits.
Pelle should be working on his strength and post moves after first and foremost his grades. I'm still skeptical whether he makes it to Iona and further that he stays in school. He's an awesome athlete and certainly has tools. So did Lenny Cooke. We'll see what he does with it...
So did Mike Glover. Staff found a way with him
There is zero comparison between Mike Glover and Pelle. Not an iota. Glover's issue was grades and school. Mike Glover is a warrior on the court like his brother Anthony. Mike Glover has 100 times the work ethic on the court that Pelle has and has never fancied itself anything other than the tweener forward he was. Staff didn't do anthiny to Mike Glover except get him admitted. He was always a gamer with an exceptional motor on the court.
When I say that Pelle has tools, I mean raw athleticism and natural ability. He has never had the motor to make him the dominant player he could be. I hope he accepts the direction of Cluess and staff and sincerely hope this move to Iona is the start of an upward trajectory. Id love to see him succeed.
The fact that he and Rambo Rasheed are making commentary that he's a guard and likening him to Durant and Kg don't lend themselves to us to believing that he has his head screwed on straight. I hope I'm wrong.
Glover sued the NCAA.
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Fwiw, Pelle has boatloads of natural talent. I just don't think he'll ever have the common sense nor work ethic to get it done. He's still pushing himself as a guard/wing player instead of what he is. I don't get the feeling the he'll ever be receptive to the type of coaching that can put him in position to succeed. A kid that reminds me of this is James Felton. Felton was one of the most talented kids around. More talented overall than Elton Brand in that class, but nowhere near the drive nor smarts. Sad that the kid imploded and I hope Pelle doesn't follow that extreme, but I see some similar traits.
Pelle should be working on his strength and post moves after first and foremost his grades. I'm still skeptical whether he makes it to Iona and further that he stays in school. He's an awesome athlete and certainly has tools. So did Lenny Cooke. We'll see what he does with it...
So did Mike Glover. Staff found a way with him
There is zero comparison between Mike Glover and Pelle. Not an iota. Glover's issue was grades and school. Mike Glover is a warrior on the court like his brother Anthony. Mike Glover has 100 times the work ethic on the court that Pelle has and has never fancied itself anything other than the tweener forward he was. Staff didn't do anthiny to Mike Glover except get him admitted. He was always a gamer with an exceptional motor on the court.
When I say that Pelle has tools, I mean raw athleticism and natural ability. He has never had the motor to make him the dominant player he could be. I hope he accepts the direction of Cluess and staff and sincerely hope this move to Iona is the start of an upward trajectory. Id love to see him succeed.
The fact that he and Rambo Rasheed are making commentary that he's a guard and likening him to Durant and Kg don't lend themselves to us to believing that he has his head screwed on straight. I hope I'm wrong.
Ya Rambo should have compared him to Lenny Cooke.
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He was a highly-touted recruit who failed to qualify, and then didn't take the steps that others did to ensure that he ended up at SJU (or express the same desire that Amir or, to a lesser extent, even Jakar did before re-committing). And you are surprised with the negative commentary when he goes elsewhere? Even though St. John's cut ties, we all wanted him here and were disappointed that it didn't happen...
As far as the comments about his eligibility, I think people would have expressed those concerns wherever he committed.
None of that changes that he was well worth the gamble for your squad, Baldi. If I were you, my only concern is that the team chemistry will be thrown off by too many players trying to get theirs, since there are so many new faces and transfers.
If he's of the mindset of the kid who two years ago talked about being a Camby-like post player, chemistry isn't a problem. If he's seriously buying into this KD-like wing crap his brother is spouting, then it could be a train wreck waiting to happen.
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Come the winter and California dreaming.
Oh, Marco maybe dislike is an under statement
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This over 1000 comment thread can be summed up as "college is not for everyone"
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* By the way what HS will it announce him from? Phelps? @damn_norvel or whatever his Twitter name is? Still don't know what his last 'school' was.
RISE
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I wonder if one of the reasons why Norvel was no longer considering SJU, and vice versa is because the academic requirements at SJU are no cake walk. Iona might be an easier school to coast in.
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Fwiw, Pelle has boatloads of natural talent. I just don't think he'll ever have the common sense nor work ethic to get it done. He's still pushing himself as a guard/wing player instead of what he is. I don't get the feeling the he'll ever be receptive to the type of coaching that can put him in position to succeed. A kid that reminds me of this is James Felton. Felton was one of the most talented kids around. More talented overall than Elton Brand in that class, but nowhere near the drive nor smarts. Sad that the kid imploded and I hope Pelle doesn't follow that extreme, but I see some similar traits.
Pelle should be working on his strength and post moves after first and foremost his grades. I'm still skeptical whether he makes it to Iona and further that he stays in school. He's an awesome athlete and certainly has tools. So did Lenny Cooke. We'll see what he does with it...
I recommend the Gael players keep a close eye on their sneakers then. ; )
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I wonder if one of the reasons why Norvel was no longer considering SJU, and vice versa is because the academic requirements at SJU are no cake walk. Iona might be an easier school to coast in.
Some of you guys sound like posters on the Fordham board
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I wonder if one of the reasons why Norvel was no longer considering SJU, and vice versa is because the academic requirements at SJU are no cake walk. Iona might be an easier school to coast in.
Some of you guys sound like posters on the Fordham board
I'm not trying to poke fun at Iona. I know that SJ has athletes take more classes than other schools do.
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I wonder if one of the reasons why Norvel was no longer considering SJU, and vice versa is because the academic requirements at SJU are no cake walk. Iona might be an easier school to coast in.
Some of you guys sound like posters on the Fordham board
I'm not trying to poke fun at Iona. I know that SJ has athletes take more classes than other schools do.
Please elaborate
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I wonder if one of the reasons why Norvel was no longer considering SJU, and vice versa is because the academic requirements at SJU are no cake walk. Iona might be an easier school to coast in.
Some of you guys sound like posters on the Fordham board
I'm not trying to poke fun at Iona. I know that SJ has athletes take more classes than other schools do.
Please elaborate
NCAA requires that to be eligible to compete among other things you have to be a full-time student with a minimum 12 credit hours per semester and 24 credits a year. St. John's requires their student athletes to have 30 credits a year, 6 more than the NCAA requires (this was instituted mid to late 80s). I believe that the BE as a conference went with a stricter requirement also.
There is an exception. If you are in your last term for your degree you can be less than a full-time student as long as you are taking the necessary credits required to earn your degree. Again the school or even the conference can have stricter requirements.
I don't now if Iona adheres to the NCAA or stricter requirements.
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I wonder if one of the reasons why Norvel was no longer considering SJU, and vice versa is because the academic requirements at SJU are no cake walk. Iona might be an easier school to coast in.
Some of you guys sound like posters on the Fordham board
I'm not trying to poke fun at Iona. I know that SJ has athletes take more classes than other schools do.
Please elaborate
NCAA requires that to be eligible to compete among other things you have to be a full-time student with a minimum 12 credit hours per semester and 24 credits a year. St. John's requires their student athletes to have 30 credits a year, 6 more than the NCAA requires (this was instituted mid to late 80s). I believe that the BE as a conference went with a stricter requirement also.
There is an exception. If you are in your last term for your degree you can be less than a full-time student as long as you are taking the necessary credits required to earn your degree. Again the school or even the conference can have stricter requirements.
I don't now if Iona adheres to the NCAA or stricter requirements.
Thank you. That is what I was referring to.
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I wonder if one of the reasons why Norvel was no longer considering SJU, and vice versa is because the academic requirements at SJU are no cake walk. Iona might be an easier school to coast in.
Some of you guys sound like posters on the Fordham board
I'm not trying to poke fun at Iona. I know that SJ has athletes take more classes than other schools do.
Please elaborate
NCAA requires that to be eligible to compete among other things you have to be a full-time student with a minimum 12 credit hours per semester and 24 credits a year. St. John's requires their student athletes to have 30 credits a year, 6 more than the NCAA requires (this was instituted mid to late 80s). I believe that the BE as a conference went with a stricter requirement also.
There is an exception. If you are in your last term for your degree you can be less than a full-time student as long as you are taking the necessary credits required to earn your degree. Again the school or even the conference can have stricter requirements.
I don't now if Iona adheres to the NCAA or stricter requirements.
Thank you. That is what I was referring to.
i imagine this is why our guys take summer courses, to help alleviate some of the in-season pressure.
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I wonder if one of the reasons why Norvel was no longer considering SJU, and vice versa is because the academic requirements at SJU are no cake walk. Iona might be an easier school to coast in.
Some of you guys sound like posters on the Fordham board
I'm not trying to poke fun at Iona. I know that SJ has athletes take more classes than other schools do.
Please elaborate
NCAA requires that to be eligible to compete among other things you have to be a full-time student with a minimum 12 credit hours per semester and 24 credits a year. St. John's requires their student athletes to have 30 credits a year, 6 more than the NCAA requires (this was instituted mid to late 80s). I believe that the BE as a conference went with a stricter requirement also.
There is an exception. If you are in your last term for your degree you can be less than a full-time student as long as you are taking the necessary credits required to earn your degree. Again the school or even the conference can have stricter requirements.
I don't now if Iona adheres to the NCAA or stricter requirements.
Thank you. That is what I was referring to.
i imagine this is why our guys take summer courses, to help alleviate some of the in-season pressure.
Curious if anyone knows - with the NCAA's new rules allowing some supervised practice during summer months - do players have to be enrolled inn summer school classes to take advantage of the summer coaching? I'm pretty sure they have to be enrolled in order to participate in these august overseas exhibition excursions (UCLA is in China right now, and two walkons aren't with the team, as they weren't enrolled for summer school).
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Curious if anyone knows - with the NCAA's new rules allowing some supervised practice during summer months - do players have to be enrolled inn summer school classes to take advantage of the summer coaching? I'm pretty sure they have to be enrolled in order to participate in these august overseas exhibition excursions (UCLA is in China right now, and two walkons aren't with the team, as they weren't enrolled for summer school).
walk ons may not be there as they would get benefit (cost of trip/hotels/meals) that was not available to all students. I remember Phil Missiere saying that when he went from walk on to scholarship, he was now eleigible for meals that were allowed before.
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i imagine this is why our guys take summer courses, to help alleviate some of the in-season pressure.
Most schools make their kids take summer classes...
It is often done so the kids can only take 12 credit during the school year. If they only take 12 credits per semester while in school and play four straight years with out attending summer school, they will be VERY short of credits to graduate on time. The summer school helps them catch up to be on time to finish in 4 years.
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i imagine this is why our guys take summer courses, to help alleviate some of the in-season pressure.
Most schools make their kids take summer classes...
It is often done so the kids can only take 12 credit during the school year. If they only take 12 credits per semester while in school and play four straight years with out attending summer school, they will be VERY short of credits to graduate on time. The summer school helps them catch up to be on time to finish in 4 years.
Yes, probably more so in sports that overlap semesters. Other kids take them to be ahead in credits. That's where you will hear sometimes of some athletes who graduate in 3 or 3 1/2 years.
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I wonder if one of the reasons why Norvel was no longer considering SJU, and vice versa is because the academic requirements at SJU are no cake walk. Iona might be an easier school to coast in.
Ummmmm. Lets not kid ourselves here. Rob Thomas was ILLITERATE until junior year of HS. And he seemed to do pretty OK. SJU would've given Norvel Pelle every chance and resource to do fine in his classes.
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As I said earlier it is not required to take summer classes but considering kids miss class throughout the season it helps lessen the load.
But the bigger thing it does is it allows the kids to participate in summer workouts that the NCAA allows on a limited basis. So to cr's point, YES you need to be enrolled to participate in those workouts. In other words Chris Obekpa cannot be going to campus everyday participating in workouts while going back home and doing nothing else otherwise.
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Heard last night he was ruled ineligible...
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I wonder if one of the reasons why Norvel was no longer considering SJU, and vice versa is because the academic requirements at SJU are no cake walk. Iona might be an easier school to coast in.
Ummmmm. Lets not kid ourselves here. Rob Thomas was ILLITERATE until junior year of HS. And he seemed to do pretty
OK. SJU would've given Norvel Pelle every chance and resource to do fine in his classes.
There is probably a difference between the two in terms of work ethic. Thomas' LD was not his fault. What's wrong with Norvelle that after two attempts he can't get eligible? If there is a legitimate reason, then he should get help dealing with it.
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I wonder if one of the reasons why Norvel was no longer considering SJU, and vice versa is because the academic requirements at SJU are no cake walk. Iona might be an easier school to coast in.
Ummmmm. Lets not kid ourselves here. Rob Thomas was ILLITERATE until junior year of HS. And he seemed to do pretty
OK. SJU would've given Norvel Pelle every chance and resource to do fine in his classes.
There is probably a difference between the two in terms of work ethic. Thomas' LD was not his fault. What's wrong with Norvelle that after two attempts he can't get eligible? If there is a legitimate reason, then he should get help dealing with it.
Exactly. Rob busted his ass. This kid screwed around.
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Heard last night he was ruled ineligible...
I'm shocked...
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At least he has his art to fall back on.
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Don't think we've heard the last of him. Might be a nice Christmas gift
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Don't think we've heard the last of him. Might be a nice Christmas gift
Just like for us last year.
Oh wait that would require him to go to a school as Twitter doesn't count as an accredited course.
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Don't think we've heard the last of him. Might be a nice Christmas gift
Hope he stays in shape!
http://www.dwsmg.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Santa-is-gonna-sue-me.jpg (http://www.dwsmg.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Santa-is-gonna-sue-me.jpg)
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So again in closing, after graduating from high school and going to summer school to make up classes he fails to qualify.
Then follows up by doing another full year of prep school at two different schools (Phelps and Stoneridge). AND HE STILL CANNOT GET QUALIFIED.
Do you know how bad of a student you need to be to still not be qualified after all of that?
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.......or he just doesn't give a s..t
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.......or he just doesn't give a s..t
one in the same
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Don't think we've heard the last of him. Might be a nice Christmas gift
Agree we haven't heard the last of him-I'm sure he will keep on tweeting. And Scrooge doesn't give Christmas gifts. What a disappointment.
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Too bad he doesn't show the same hunger toward school and basketball that he does for In 'n' Out at 2 a.m.
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Too bad he doesn't show the same hunger toward school and basketball that he does for In 'n' Out at 2 a.m.
He is always madd hungry...but then again so am I
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Isn't it impossible for him to go to Iona in December. He already did his post grad year so its either JUCO for 2 years or overseas. Or is that just a Big East thing. Either way he has the talent to make some money in Europe and God knows he's not a big school guy, so he should just try and play overseas.
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Isn't it impossible for him to go to Iona in December. He already did his post grad year so its either JUCO for 2 years or overseas. Or is that just a Big East thing. Either way he has the talent to make some money in Europe and God knows he's not a big school guy, so he should just try and play overseas.
He could just not enroll anywhere and continue to try and get eligible.
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Isn't it impossible for him to go to Iona in December. He already did his post grad year so its either JUCO for 2 years or overseas. Or is that just a Big East thing. Either way he has the talent to make some money in Europe and God knows he's not a big school guy, so he should just try and play overseas.
He could just not enroll anywhere and continue to try and get eligible.
Where does he stand with regard to the NBA age limit? His class graduated over a year ago - 1 year was all Brandon Jennings had to sit out. I know, I know, but in HIS mind, he's apparently Durant.
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Took a quick look at his twitter and he's still in Cali. Guess he's not enrolled anywhere. Hope for his sake he gets a contract somewhere since he's not going to be getting an education.
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This dude still isn't in school! WOW. Seems like he will never get in.
He may as well head on over to Europe and try to get on with a squad over there. His career is done in America.
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This dude still isn't in school! WOW. Seems like he will never get in.
He may as well head on over to Europe and try to get on with a squad over there. His career is done in America.
Are we really ones to talk?
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This dude still isn't in school! WOW. Seems like he will never get in.
He may as well head on over to Europe and try to get on with a squad over there. His career is done in America.
Are we really ones to talk?
You are right.. i'm not in school either ::)
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who cares
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Maybe the kid has lost his love for basketball. Let him live his life how he wants.
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Maybe the kid has lost his love for basketball. Let him live his life how he wants.
He never had a love for basketball. He just happened to be 6'11 and was pretty good when they told him to play.
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Maybe the kid has lost his love for basketball. Let him live his life how he wants.
He never had a love for basketball. He just happened to be 6'11 and was pretty good when they told him to play.
Someone should have told him to fake it for 10 years, and he'd have all the money in the world to lie around doing nothing for the rest of his life.
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Maybe the kid has lost his love for basketball. Let him live his life how he wants.
He never had a love for basketball. He just happened to be 6'11 and was pretty good when they told him to play.
Someone should have told him to fake it for 10 years, and he'd have all the money in the world to lie around doing nothing for the rest of his life.
see Bynum, Andrew.
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Maybe the kid has lost his love for basketball. Let him live his life how he wants.
He never had a love for basketball. He just happened to be 6'11 and was pretty good when they told him to play.
Someone should have told him to fake it for 10 years, and he'd have all the money in the world to lie around doing nothing for the rest of his life.
see Bynum, Andrew.
Wonder how he would have turned out if he had to go to college for 1 yr
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@ LA College Prep Academy
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@ LA College Prep Academy
Kind of a West Coast version of Rise Academy? Sad!
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@ LA College Prep Academy
Kind of a West Coast version of Rise Academy? Sad!
No sadder than Sanchez. Ineligible is ineligible. Who cares why?
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@ LA College Prep Academy
Kind of a West Coast version of Rise Academy? Sad!
No sadder than Sanchez. Ineligible is ineligible. Who cares why?
Well there is a difference. A big one. One gives a shit and one doesnt.
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@ LA College Prep Academy
Kind of a West Coast version of Rise Academy? Sad!
No sadder than Sanchez. Ineligible is ineligible. Who cares why?
Well there is a difference. A big one. One gives a shit and one doesnt.
Clearly.
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@ LA College Prep Academy
Kind of a West Coast version of Rise Academy? Sad!
No sadder than Sanchez. Ineligible is ineligible. Who cares why?
Well there is a difference. A big one. One gives a shit and one doesnt.
I agree, but the result is that neither are eligible. And quite frankly, we shouldn't be pointing the finger at anyone with our track record. I used to believe that a kid with a troubled past could get on the straight and narrow at SJs. A kid like Thomas, but Pelle chose wrong when he chose us.
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@ LA College Prep Academy
Kind of a West Coast version of Rise Academy? Sad!
No sadder than Sanchez. Ineligible is ineligible. Who cares why?
Well there is a difference. A big one. One gives a shit and one doesnt.
I agree, but the result is that neither are eligible. And quite frankly, we shouldn't be pointing the finger at anyone with our track record. I used to believe that a kid with a troubled past could get on the straight and narrow at SJs. A kid like Thomas, but Pelle chose wrong when he chose us.
Huh?
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The reason Amir and Jakarr didn't get a pass after taking classes at Rise is because Pelle also got straight A's. No one could believe that he aced the classes too. That put a cloud over all their grades. I don't think Pelle would be in a better place had he chosen any other school---unless that school gets some preferential treatment from the NCAA. Kentucky?
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It would have been the smart thing for Pelle to simply enroll at a Citrus College and Juco. Ger acclimated to taking classes again and playing ball with practice. Having no structure in your life for a kid that has very little motivation is not a good thing.
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The reason Amir and Jakarr didn't get a pass after taking classes at Rise is because Pelle also got straight A's. No one could believe that he aced the classes too. That put a cloud over all their grades. I don't think Pelle would be in a better place had he chosen any other school---unless that school gets some preferential treatment from the NCAA. Kentucky?
Dozens of schools get preferential treatment from the NCAA. We already know that.
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It would have been the smart thing for Pelle to simply enroll at a Citrus College and Juco. Ger acclimated to taking classes again and playing ball with practice. Having no structure in your life for a kid that has very little motivation is not a good thing.
Again? You act like he has gone to classes in the past. Doesn't sound like he did...
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He obviously did because he graduated high school. :-\
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Why is listed as "IONA"?? Since he seems other worldly why not list Otis Sistrunk's (old Oakland Raider for you young pups) school--The University of Mars.
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Entering nba draft
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Scroll all the way down......... http://nba.si.com/2013/06/21/nba-draft-2013-small-school-prospects/?sct=hp_t11_a5&eref=sihp (http://nba.si.com/2013/06/21/nba-draft-2013-small-school-prospects/?sct=hp_t11_a5&eref=sihp)
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Scroll all the way down......... http://nba.si.com/2013/06/21/nba-draft-2013-small-school-prospects/?sct=hp_t11_a5&eref=sihp (http://nba.si.com/2013/06/21/nba-draft-2013-small-school-prospects/?sct=hp_t11_a5&eref=sihp)
Terrible reporting by Glockner (is that REALLY Sports Illustrated?) - the story is dated yesterday - and talks about someone taking a late 2nd round flyer on Pelle. The kid withdrew from the draft like what - two weeks ago?
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is pelle playing on any summer league teams
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Last I heard he was injured.
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is pelle playing on any summer league teams
Can't since he rescinded his name from the draft.
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I was going to post that too but I wasn't sure what that meant. I mean he obviously can't play in college anymore since he missed their cutoff by, oh, two months. Why would he rescind? Even if its a long shot, he could have played D-League this year and hoped for a late season call up. Now he can only play in Europe or D League with no chance for call up as unlikely as it might have been. Next year's draft is supposed to be loaded so he won't likely get drafted then anyway. I guess he wanted to keep the option open to play JUCO, NAIA or D 2 or 3 this year and see if he can prove himself draftable. Good luck with that.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/one-time-st-johns-and-iona-commit-norvel-pelle-still-chasing-nba-dream/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/one-time-st-johns-and-iona-commit-norvel-pelle-still-chasing-nba-dream/)
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At this point, who cares about this kid